Standard tuning on a comedically short guitar - help me out

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I purchased a tiny electric guitar - I assume for children - and have installed my MIDI pickup on it. It works, but the guitar-MIDI interface only accepts standard tuning (by which I mean it has to be standard tuning on a real guitar, not an octave or two up or whatever), and when I detune the strings to the correct pitch they're loose as fuck and sound shit. Would it work if I put thicker... no wait... thinner? strings on it? Is it even possible?

when use becomes abuse (S-), Friday, 3 June 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

Thicker strings, but as it's a toy guitar, it might not be able to handle the string tension.

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Friday, 3 June 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

Oh wait, 'tiny' not 'toy' - I was thrown by the assumption that it was for kids. How long is the scale length, and does the neck have a truss rod?

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Friday, 3 June 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

silly q, but why not use a real guitar?

broodje kroket (dog latin), Friday, 3 June 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

what kind of midi interface is it? that's really strange that it would be geared towards
specific tunings than for notes -- maybe there's a setting to tweak?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 3 June 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ yeah, surely there must be some kind of adjustment for people who use alternative tunings and/or capos?

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Saturday, 4 June 2011 08:37 (twelve years ago) link

It IS a kid's guitar. From the (checks wikipedia entry for 'guitar') 'Nut' to the 'Bridge & Stop Tailpiece' is 50cm. No truss rod

Actually I found a picture on the internet, exactly the same as this.

http://www.kidsguitarpro.com/store/3371885/product/KEG-BKM

Fucking thing is solid as though, probably moreso than my last two proper electrics. I would have no qualms about putting heavier strings loading up the tension if that's the solution. What size do I ask for (which is further complicated 'cause I have to do it in a foreign language)? I know completely nothing about guitars.

dog latin: A combination of gimmickry, price, and portability (living out of suitcase for the next 4-9 months). My schtick is already to perform my field recordings live through sampling (basically a sort of experimental instead of pop Disco Inferno). Why not do it with a tiny guitar as well?

Philip Nunez: It's a Roland GK-2a divided pickup into a Roland GI-10 Guitar->MIDI converter (again, same as DI). The manual explicitly states no alternate tunings: http://www.pdfdocspace.com/docs/9337/roland-gi-10-manual.html (page 6)

when use becomes abuse (S-), Saturday, 4 June 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

maybe i'm reading the manual wrong but that standard tuning restriction seems to only apply to the tuner function.
it just seems bizarre to me that the pickup or box wouldn't register a fingered note on a string because it
expects the open string to be E3 instead of E4 or whatever.

Is it some kind of calibration thing? maybe what you can do to trick it into thinking you have a standard tuned guitar,
is to play back a recording of standard tuned guitar notes holding a speaker over the strings, so the pickups think
that's the sound coming from your guitar.

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 4 June 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ I've read the manual and agree - aside from not being able to use the in built tuner, there's no reason why the GI-10 shouldn't work.

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Saturday, 4 June 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

With a scale length of 50cm, it could be tuned ADGBEA - basically the same as a regular scale guitar with a capo across the 5th fret. Depending on the internals of the GI-10, you still might be able to use it to tune the lowest five strings, and then the high A relatively.

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Saturday, 4 June 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

I suppose there's no reason but for convenience (and really, the GI-10 is the only way I can tune a guitar) that I couldn't tune the strings to whatever and then map out the sample range on Kontakt. Still might give heavy strings a go, now I need a tuner I guess.

when use becomes abuse (S-), Saturday, 4 June 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

see if you can find the ernie ball not even slinkys - they are a 12-56 iirc but have standard core sizes. could also try a flatwound set starting with 13 if those still dont have enough tension. or a baritone guitar set i suppose.

just malorted a little bit in my mouth (jjjusten), Saturday, 4 June 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

First response should have been: Can this tiny guitar be played through a bass amp?

Cut Creator Has A Master Plan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 June 2011 04:58 (twelve years ago) link

idk about everyone else but I'm loling imagining S- having to scrunch up his shoulders and hands to play this teeny weeny guitar

my downeaster ilxor (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 June 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link


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