Do you practice with a metronome?

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Why/Why not?

(And what kind?)

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 03:36 (eleven years ago) link

only when i'm playing something like 56bpms

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

korg cheapie

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

not when i'm on the drums because i don't really have the setup, but yes when i'm on the practice pad. actually, my old metronome broke so i just play along to records (not playing the parts nec., just using the tempo to keep me honest).

Jordan, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

what does a HOOS play?

Jordan, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

Playing along to records is better, imho. It develops your feel.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

I have in the past, but have usually have come close to throwing that metronome out the window.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

no way you guys i am just all about playing with the tempo of your heart

n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

my heart

n/a, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:14 (eleven years ago) link

rushing = high blood pressure, you should probably get that checked out.

Jordan, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:14 (eleven years ago) link

I could never do this without getting bored, but the solution to that = drum machine.

John Justen, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:16 (eleven years ago) link

I do play with a drum machine. New Jazz 4 is a pretty good one.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

if you play with a drum machine, you're gonna get beat!

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

Practiced a lot with the band with a click before we went to record. It kinda helped, but to be honest, our time still just totally sucks.

libcrypt, Thursday, 3 April 2008 03:40 (eleven years ago) link

i don't practice really but if i did it would be to casio beatz or somesuch

electricsound, Thursday, 3 April 2008 03:44 (eleven years ago) link

If I'm doing a difficult fast piece, I will use a metronome to make sure I can get up to the correct tempo.

HI DERE, Thursday, 3 April 2008 03:46 (eleven years ago) link

If I'm doing a difficult fast piece, I spike her G&T with roofies and then tell her I'm a paramedic.

libcrypt, Thursday, 3 April 2008 04:47 (eleven years ago) link

five years pass...

There was recently a tempest in the internet teapot about this question.

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 01:58 (five years ago) link

I fuck with a metronome.

how's life, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:13 (five years ago) link

i mean "fuck with" in terms of "i do that", not the other thing that that obviously looks like.

how's life, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:14 (five years ago) link

There was recently a tempest in the internet teapot about this question

oh?

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:06 (five years ago) link

You didn't see? A famous jazz teacher, Mike Longo, advised that one should never practice with a metronome and then another famous jazz instructor, Hal Galper, reposted it and said he agreed 100%.

I mean they might not be quite as well known as Richard Davis but still

sorry, i still don't get it

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:20 (five years ago) link

Here is the original article http://www.mikelongojazz.com/should-you-practice-jazz-with-a-metronome/

You can also go to Hal Galper's Facebook page for more discussion.

Basically I think the idea is that if you ALWAYS practice with a metronome or if you don't think of interesting ways to practice with it you might end up playing stiffly saw well as not actually internalizing the time. They are taking the extreme position for purposes rhetorical or otherwise that one should NEVER practice with a metronome.

I believe the purpose was muscular coordination however and admit that the metronome was of some value in that regard.

Mmm yes hello (crüt), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:48 (five years ago) link

ugh such bullshit.

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:01 (five years ago) link

That reminds me of something somebody told me David Liebman once said.

Something to the effect of "What is this feeling good %#&$&@€ ?

nothing helped my time more than, if not actually playing to a metronome per se, playing along to programmed beats (and programming them), then experimenting with making the perfect subdivisions less perfect (on the computer and on the drums).

i agree that the swing/magic is in the spaces inbetween the notes, but it's so important to have a solid quarter note pulse internalized. if you have that you have more control over pushing the beat or making it feel laid back, swinging, not swinging, etc. It's easy to adjust to other people's pulses and go with the group, it's not as easy to be the strong one and lay down a good-feeling pulse.

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:09 (five years ago) link

xp haha

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:09 (five years ago) link

here's a fun example of not being limited by the click (starts simple, gets crazy around 3 minutes in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcC53u9qe78

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:12 (five years ago) link

and of course jazz groups don't play with metronomic time, nor should they, but the idea that practicing to a consistent pulse can be bad for your playing is just ridic to me.

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:32 (five years ago) link

Think the claim is that you should be providing that pulse yourself, but yeah, I agree.

maybe another way to look at it is that those jazz legends that the longo thing references were all great musicians who had lots of opportunity to play with other great musicians, which is great for developing pulse & pocket. if that's not your situation, then a metronome is a pretty great substitute. i know i just wrote great a lot.

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:42 (five years ago) link

Ha, I was going to post the exact same sentiment in different words: If I was playing in Dizzy's band every night I might not need to play with a metronome either.

jordan i think you are otm here

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 19:14 (five years ago) link

"You didn't see? A famous jazz teacher, Mike Longo, advised that one should never practice with a metronome and then another famous jazz instructor, Hal Galper, reposted it and said he agreed 100%."

I think that's a bit much unless you are already a pretty advanced musician. If you don't test it against anything how the heck do you even know if you are getting it right? Eh...some jazz dudes totally like to get all Obi Wan Kenobi.

This was a pretty cool metronome exercise I came across that I found useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X1fhVLVF_4

I need to get back at it, but I was learning to play some rudiments and patterns with drum sticks on a practice pad, mostly to get better for overdubbing percussion. When I was doing that a few times a week, I found that I could lock down on the drums way tight as that pulse was so loud in my head.

earlnash, Sunday, 5 January 2014 08:44 (five years ago) link

I think it surely depends on the genre. Jazz, I get it, yeah, metronomes kill that swing, but if you're working with clean minimalist synth stuff, it is essential.

I'm in a band that started out all samples and synths and drum machines and got used to the static, solid pulse of machine time. Then we got a drummer. And everything changed. He speeds up, slows down, acts like fuckin Fill Collins, and it really altered the whole angle of what we do. Wether for better or worse I'm still not sure tbh.

the Bronski Review (Trayce), Sunday, 5 January 2014 09:25 (five years ago) link

sounds like for worse :(

festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 6 January 2014 01:00 (five years ago) link

lol @ "Fill Collins" -- are his fills like the ones in "In the Air Tonight" because, ugh

sarahell, Monday, 6 January 2014 01:04 (five years ago) link

Also, somebody told me about that Victor Wooten thing but I had never seen it, thanks.

Never bothered with a metronome, but playing along to Neu or Can is far more fun.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 6 January 2014 01:47 (five years ago) link

Think that was another recommendation from those guys

That's what I do and it's really fun!! But practicing with my metronome has been useful for getting through those rough spots where I feel like I'm gonna lose it. The metronome is encouraging, which I think has value as a learning tool. Maybe these dudes forget what it's like to be a beginner.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Monday, 6 January 2014 02:00 (five years ago) link

That VW thing in five is hard because the pattern will take five bars to work itself out and tag up again, so say you are playing a twelve bar form, you have to play it five times through before the first downbeat is on a click again. Ten bar form would be easier I guess.

I guess you could break it down again and see what kind of four bar or even two pattern there was at any given point.

two months pass...

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