The vintage guitar market is repulsive

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https://reverb.com/item/10742439-fender-esquire-dakota-red-refin-1966-s999

Basically everything replaced/fucked with except for OLD WOOD and some Trump-voting baby boomer on the verge of retirement who whines about millennial entitlement is going to drop $5k on this bullshit.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:03 (three years ago) link

There is a route underneath the pick-guard from a previous humbucker pickup accommodation.
lololol

how's life, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:13 (three years ago) link

Don't buy it, I guess. There are just-as-beautifully-made Fender Japan Telecasters for about $600-700 if you look around. Or the Squier Classic Vibe series. It's like complaining that a restored Ferrari Daytona goes for millions; scarcity drives value.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:53 (three years ago) link

A Ferrari Daytona is with an LS/automatic swap and cut up frame would not be looked upon kindly.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:01 (three years ago) link

It’s one thing if a guitar has survived for decades unmolested and this becomes rare, those prices are still stupid but whatever. This, though, you could build an exact replica with the same pickup for like $800 unless you believe in magical 50-year old wood.

Anyone dumb enough to buy this should have their wealth confiscated and given to the homeless.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:08 (three years ago) link

well it's been listed for 4 months so i'm guessing a lot of ppl agree with you

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:15 (three years ago) link

idk, maybe it sounds great. the price doesn't seem right to me at all tho. this is obviously not the kind of guitar you'd buy without playing. the refinish of unknown provenance is pretty scary.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:20 (three years ago) link

although here's an unfuckedwith '67 for $9K so who knows; crazy this is where the cbs-era prices are

https://reverb.com/item/1682490-1967-fender-esquire-telecaster-vintage-blonde-finish-electric-guitar-with-fender-hardshell-case

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:23 (three years ago) link

Pretty nice red on that finish though.
worth a grand right there

calstars, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:36 (three years ago) link

Well - “old wood” is exactly where it’s at in the vintage market, and since the neck has a far greater influence on both playing and sound than the body does the fact that it’s only a body refinish doesn’t hurt its value so much. These aesthetics and value system are long established in the vintage market, railing against it is like getting shitty about diamonds being considered more valuable than sapphires. Not sure how that makes it “repulsive”, if you don’t share that value system then buy what you consider to be equally good and enjoy the money saved. I don’t give a shit about vintage which is why 90% of my guitars are 70s-80s Japanese made - killer instruments, cheap to buy.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 02:09 (three years ago) link

“old wood” is exactly where it’s at in the vintage market

This is what's so incredibly dumb - if anything is going to make the guitar special it would be the pickup, which in this case has been replaced by something you can buy for $100 brand new.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 04:03 (three years ago) link

I agree the pickup would be a big contributor, but "old wood" has a few factors to consider as well. Fifty years of ageing will change the structure and the moisture content significantly - some suggest that sap resins also crystallise - and the timber used in the sixties was sourced and dried very differently than the stuff used today. Also the lacquers differ enormously between then and now, even for things called "nitrocellulose" - the plasticisers and solvents have changed a lot for hazard reasons. Being a 1966 guitar it was probably finished in polyurethane, but a thin aged polyurethane finish can be desirable too. Lastly anything made since the 70s will have less hand finishing - Fender were using automated jigs and routers even in the 50s of course, but the attention to individual instruments has decreased steadily with the advent of better CNC and measurement control.
I have guitars which are 5 years old and some which are 50 years old, and for whatever reason, the older stuff feels better overall. I don't know why exactly, and it may not stand up to analysis, but that's why people pay more for them. For me the sweet spot is paying a few hundred for a Greco or a Squier made in the 70s or early 80s, rather than thousands for a prestige collectable like this.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 04:31 (three years ago) link

the whole reissue literally everything market also irritates me

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:45 (three years ago) link

I mean stuff like this, which just popped up in my facebook feed, bothers me even more than the vintage guitar market:

https://reverb.com/item/11400075-evh-frankenstein-limited-collectors-replica-guitar-frankenstrat

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 19:02 (three years ago) link

Yeah that stuff is stupid - purely souvenir hunting, like buying a prop replica from Star Wars or something.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 12 July 2018 01:33 (three years ago) link

Attended an amazing panel on pick-ups with Lindy Fralin, Jason Lollar, and Harry Häussel recently -- according to them, vintage pick-ups are a complete crap shoot and the wood absolutely matters. When some guitar god calls them and says "I want a PAF", each one of those three asks to get the specific guitar on a bench. Fenders are usually more consistent than other manufacturers' pick-ups, but also less special (sez they).

Three Word Username, Thursday, 12 July 2018 06:24 (three years ago) link

For $25k, Eddie should have mixed his own blood into the red paint or something equally creepy.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:36 (three years ago) link

this guitar comes with a great set of extras: an Anvil Flight Case that was painstakingly re-created to look like Eddie's, a letter from Eddie, a signed 8x10" photo, Eddie's "Baby" DVD, five EVH guitar picks, the original shipping box, and much more

Nah, too expen---

Wait a second! It comes with FIVE PICKS?

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:47 (three years ago) link

Buy that guitar, play “a tear for Eddie,” die happy

calstars, Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:55 (three years ago) link

just saw this exciting new malcolm young signature gretsch, which comes with not one but two (TWO!) pickups already removed for your convenience:

https://images.guitarguitar.co.uk/small/150/news_753_malcolm_young_1.jpg

the marketing blurb includes this line:

This G6131-MY is from the Japanese factory so not only is the quality extremely high, it will be available at a price that will be much more accessible that the previous (excellent) USA Custom Shop model!

that much more accessible price? a mere £2,639!

https://imgur.com/CBbuGE3l.png

I'd pay plenty for a Simonon signature custom-smashed replica P-Bass

mick signals, Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:41 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

That’s quite a way to spin “fire damaged”

Canon in Deez (silby), Saturday, 20 March 2021 04:37 (six months ago) link

I blowtorched a spare unfinished body at the height of pandemic crafting season, it turned out much better than that.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 20 March 2021 05:14 (six months ago) link

* broken E string ( can be replaced easily )

Lee626, Saturday, 20 March 2021 09:01 (six months ago) link

I have only one burning desire (to rip off gullible people on eBay)
Let me stand next to your fire (so I can ruin this '1966 Mustang')

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 20 March 2021 10:04 (six months ago) link

Lol!

calstars, Saturday, 20 March 2021 11:20 (six months ago) link

* an interesting conversation piece for long winter nights......

"Harold, why the FUCK did you buy this for me??!!"

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 March 2021 13:05 (six months ago) link

lol @ "returns accepted".

"sorry mate, u told me the tuner buttons were melted, but one of them is intact."

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 March 2021 13:06 (six months ago) link

'in melted condition' is pretty amazing work

imago, Saturday, 20 March 2021 13:08 (six months ago) link

Starting to think this is just a Craigslist shitpost but on eBay for some reason

Canon in Deez (silby), Saturday, 20 March 2021 15:56 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

https://reverb.com/item/31832316-fender-broadcaster-pots-switch-cap-1950

Imagine the fine rusty tones you could get from installing these.

mirostones, Friday, 7 May 2021 13:04 (four months ago) link

gotta get that mojo.

an acquaintance of mine builds amps and pedals in his spare time. he would go through a big bucket of transistors until he found the right one, which he would always pick out with a flourish and say yeah, this one's got the mojo.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 May 2021 13:20 (four months ago) link

lol.

peace, man, Friday, 7 May 2021 13:22 (four months ago) link

this is my favorite ridiculous listing:
https://reverb.com/item/39707321-1956-gibson-les-paul-special-switch-tip-vintage-original-les-paul-switch-tip-from-1956-fit-a-burst

You can get current ones for $2 or even stupid reliced ones for $9 which is still $490.99 less than the vintage one

joygoat, Friday, 7 May 2021 15:37 (four months ago) link

Everyone knows that the switch tip is where the toanz reside

Triumph of the Willa Cather (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 May 2021 15:39 (four months ago) link

It looks like a mis-shapen Werther's Original.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Friday, 7 May 2021 17:13 (four months ago) link

Damn it, I knew I should have saved my old broken shit

calstars, Friday, 7 May 2021 17:40 (four months ago) link

xps - building amps is so impressive to me. I’m shit at soldering, changing the battery snap on a fuzz pedal was stressful.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 00:04 (four months ago) link

snap dat solder boy

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 00:06 (four months ago) link

Esp since tubes can kill you, xp

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 03:12 (four months ago) link

you mean the high dc voltage to bias? Or you worry about the stuff in the tubes?

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 03:31 (four months ago) link

Yeah I mean the electrocution risk. But I have no experience whatsoever trying to work on amps nor intent to try.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 03:51 (four months ago) link


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