The vintage guitar market is repulsive

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https://reverb.com/item/10742439-fender-esquire-dakota-red-refin-1966-s999

Basically everything replaced/fucked with except for OLD WOOD and some Trump-voting baby boomer on the verge of retirement who whines about millennial entitlement is going to drop $5k on this bullshit.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:03 (nine months ago) Permalink

There is a route underneath the pick-guard from a previous humbucker pickup accommodation.
lololol

how's life, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

Don't buy it, I guess. There are just-as-beautifully-made Fender Japan Telecasters for about $600-700 if you look around. Or the Squier Classic Vibe series. It's like complaining that a restored Ferrari Daytona goes for millions; scarcity drives value.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:53 (nine months ago) Permalink

A Ferrari Daytona is with an LS/automatic swap and cut up frame would not be looked upon kindly.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:01 (nine months ago) Permalink

It’s one thing if a guitar has survived for decades unmolested and this becomes rare, those prices are still stupid but whatever. This, though, you could build an exact replica with the same pickup for like $800 unless you believe in magical 50-year old wood.

Anyone dumb enough to buy this should have their wealth confiscated and given to the homeless.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:08 (nine months ago) Permalink

well it's been listed for 4 months so i'm guessing a lot of ppl agree with you

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

idk, maybe it sounds great. the price doesn't seem right to me at all tho. this is obviously not the kind of guitar you'd buy without playing. the refinish of unknown provenance is pretty scary.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

although here's an unfuckedwith '67 for $9K so who knows; crazy this is where the cbs-era prices are

https://reverb.com/item/1682490-1967-fender-esquire-telecaster-vintage-blonde-finish-electric-guitar-with-fender-hardshell-case

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:23 (nine months ago) Permalink

Pretty nice red on that finish though.
worth a grand right there

calstars, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

Well - “old wood” is exactly where it’s at in the vintage market, and since the neck has a far greater influence on both playing and sound than the body does the fact that it’s only a body refinish doesn’t hurt its value so much. These aesthetics and value system are long established in the vintage market, railing against it is like getting shitty about diamonds being considered more valuable than sapphires. Not sure how that makes it “repulsive”, if you don’t share that value system then buy what you consider to be equally good and enjoy the money saved. I don’t give a shit about vintage which is why 90% of my guitars are 70s-80s Japanese made - killer instruments, cheap to buy.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 02:09 (nine months ago) Permalink

“old wood” is exactly where it’s at in the vintage market

This is what's so incredibly dumb - if anything is going to make the guitar special it would be the pickup, which in this case has been replaced by something you can buy for $100 brand new.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 04:03 (nine months ago) Permalink

I agree the pickup would be a big contributor, but "old wood" has a few factors to consider as well. Fifty years of ageing will change the structure and the moisture content significantly - some suggest that sap resins also crystallise - and the timber used in the sixties was sourced and dried very differently than the stuff used today. Also the lacquers differ enormously between then and now, even for things called "nitrocellulose" - the plasticisers and solvents have changed a lot for hazard reasons. Being a 1966 guitar it was probably finished in polyurethane, but a thin aged polyurethane finish can be desirable too. Lastly anything made since the 70s will have less hand finishing - Fender were using automated jigs and routers even in the 50s of course, but the attention to individual instruments has decreased steadily with the advent of better CNC and measurement control.
I have guitars which are 5 years old and some which are 50 years old, and for whatever reason, the older stuff feels better overall. I don't know why exactly, and it may not stand up to analysis, but that's why people pay more for them. For me the sweet spot is paying a few hundred for a Greco or a Squier made in the 70s or early 80s, rather than thousands for a prestige collectable like this.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 04:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

the whole reissue literally everything market also irritates me

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

I mean stuff like this, which just popped up in my facebook feed, bothers me even more than the vintage guitar market:

https://reverb.com/item/11400075-evh-frankenstein-limited-collectors-replica-guitar-frankenstrat

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 19:02 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah that stuff is stupid - purely souvenir hunting, like buying a prop replica from Star Wars or something.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 12 July 2018 01:33 (nine months ago) Permalink

Attended an amazing panel on pick-ups with Lindy Fralin, Jason Lollar, and Harry Häussel recently -- according to them, vintage pick-ups are a complete crap shoot and the wood absolutely matters. When some guitar god calls them and says "I want a PAF", each one of those three asks to get the specific guitar on a bench. Fenders are usually more consistent than other manufacturers' pick-ups, but also less special (sez they).

Three Word Username, Thursday, 12 July 2018 06:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

For $25k, Eddie should have mixed his own blood into the red paint or something equally creepy.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

this guitar comes with a great set of extras: an Anvil Flight Case that was painstakingly re-created to look like Eddie's, a letter from Eddie, a signed 8x10" photo, Eddie's "Baby" DVD, five EVH guitar picks, the original shipping box, and much more

Nah, too expen---

Wait a second! It comes with FIVE PICKS?

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:47 (nine months ago) Permalink

Buy that guitar, play “a tear for Eddie,” die happy

calstars, Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:55 (nine months ago) Permalink

just saw this exciting new malcolm young signature gretsch, which comes with not one but two (TWO!) pickups already removed for your convenience:

https://images.guitarguitar.co.uk/small/150/news_753_malcolm_young_1.jpg

the marketing blurb includes this line:

This G6131-MY is from the Japanese factory so not only is the quality extremely high, it will be available at a price that will be much more accessible that the previous (excellent) USA Custom Shop model!

that much more accessible price? a mere £2,639!

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 July 2018 18:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

https://imgur.com/CBbuGE3l.png

I'd pay plenty for a Simonon signature custom-smashed replica P-Bass

mick signals, Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:41 (nine months ago) Permalink


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