That’s a shame. The unconventional approach seemed like the best thing they had going for them, otherwise you might as well stick with Doepfer.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
how are you getting along with your digitakt? i am tempted to get the digitakt/digitone combo, or a rytm.
― adam, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
lately i've been playing guitar into a mess of mutable modules and it's fun but i want to do something more composition-oriented and i never finish anything in ableton
― adam, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
i've had the digitakt for about two years now and i love it, it's at the center of everything i make. the lack of song mode and stereo sampling is a limitation, but it's very fast and easy to use
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link
Yep, I use it much more as a sampler and drum machine than a sequencer for my modular but it’s really fast and intuitive.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
the other option is trying to bend ableton to my will with the push 2, anyone fuck with one of those?
― adam, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
maybe we should have a gear/process intersection thread, i am always looking for new gear solutions to creative problems which is incredibly stupid.
― adam, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link
Not necessarily, I also like creative solutions to gear problems though.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
I have a Push 2 but I almost never use it except as a step sequencer - even though I'm a unbelievably shitty keyboard player I can't get used to the pads as an alternative, I don't use the clip mode
Actually, I should look more seriously into crossgrading to Cubase and selling Ableton.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 00:04 (four years ago) link
lol whoops i sort of accidentally solved my own problem by lowballing for an octatrack on ebay, the journey begins
― adam, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
Congrats!
I just got a Basimilus Iteritas Alter to sit alongside the Intellijel Plonk. It sounds immense.
― ShariVari, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
i had one of those. it was awesome, i think my shitty monitors didn't do it justice.
i'll be going on a post-octatrack module austerity kick alas
― adam, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:20 (four years ago) link
I've never heard anyone say this but I'm for it
I still use Cubase because it's what I learned on, and it's very fast for me, but it's my secret shame since literally everyone uses Ableton (and the ones that don't use Logic or FL Studio).
I know I'm missing out on easy warping, some crazy effects routing probably, and Max for Live. And that 'Ableton' quality that everything has today (I think of it as a little thin but with a lot of clarity and strong transients), which is a trade-off obviously. But at least I finish tracks, and I get '90s drum & bass pitch-shifting & time-stretching effects for free. :)
I'd like to think that the limitations are good for creativity, but maybe I'm just holding myself back, who knows.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
I know a couple people who still use Digital Performer. Just wanted to confess to that. I was using it till I switched to Ableton.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
It feels good to know that getting tracks done in Ableton is a common problem. I wish I had better work habits to overcome this.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:16 (four years ago) link
And that 'Ableton' quality that everything has today (I think of it as a little thin but with a lot of clarity and strong transients)
i've been pondering the x-constructed club sound, like that high-gloss jeff koons balloon dog feel--do you think they are related?
― adam, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link
lol @ balloon dog production
But yeah, I really do. A lot of the 'hard drum' tracks in particular sound extremely Ableton to me, maybe has something to do with Drum Buss and some of the stock plugins/samples? I do think that everything being made with similar tools helps them sit together in a dj mix, but also gives it a generic veneer (which has really lost its luster for me, at least in terms of the more maximal/blown-out end of things).
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link
That sounds right to me - everything in Ableton seems too loud because of the way default faders/presets/drum racks are set up. Step one in loading a drum rack is lowering every sample 5-6db.
Bitwig (at least with the demo) has some annoyances recording but a secondhand license can be had very cheap and it's even easier to use for crazy effects chains and stuff (without the scripting power of Max but I'm no coder). No setting up racks, just drop a flanger in the tank of the reverb or w/e.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 20:48 (four years ago) link
I've def been curious about Bitwig as a 'best of both worlds' sort of deal, same for Studio One, but haven't had time to mess around with a brand new DAW yet.
In Cubase it's easy to build up an effects chain and re-order the plugins (same as any DAW I'd imagine), not so easy to assign an LFO to anything, say. Although I should probably experiment more with side-chaining effects besides a compressor.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link
bitwig looks great but i love max for live and the midi effects. i was working on bringing some of my pre-ableton max/msp patches into ableton but i had an unfortunate hard drive meltdown.
― adam, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 21:23 (four years ago) link
interested in what it is about Live that encourages not finishing things? Live user here and I finish things- they are just rubbish! (ha, maybe that means they aren't finished...)
― Tib, Thursday, 27 February 2020 06:39 (four years ago) link
It's very easy to make lots of cool loops in session view and never turn them into an actual track.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 27 February 2020 13:05 (four years ago) link
I thought I’d be doing my session view work and then recording a performance of shopping and starting them into arrangement, but more often I use the clips as like a pasteboard and just drag them into arrangement view to start structuring a track. Dual monitor is very helpful for this.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link
With dual monitors you're able to see both at the same time? I'll have to look into this. I have an older version of Live so it might not do this.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link
Yea and tab swaps them. While shift tab swaps the bottoms so you see the midi info on Jen side and devices in the other. I’m a multiple monitor baby, can’t do anything with one.
― dan selzer, Friday, 28 February 2020 00:18 (four years ago) link
Same set up as Dan. I make a bunch of clips in session view then jam them down into the bones of a track in arrangement. then add drops/whatever, melodic elements in arrange.
I can completely see getting stuck making the clips and just jamming, never pressing record- maybe the ominous presence of the arrange view in the second monitor encourage actually making something?
― Tib, Friday, 28 February 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link
set up a 2nd monitor for imminent telecommuting reasons but am excited to put these ideas into practice
octatrack is wonderful so far, far more approachable and intuitive than its reputation suggests
― adam, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link
Social distancing means I've finally started to learn my way around VCV Rack. Please enjoy some noises:
https://soundcloud.com/found-river/dr000446
― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link
Cherry Audio made their virtual rack thing free:https://cherryaudio.com/free
― DJI, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link
Moog made their Minimoog iPad app free and Korg's Kaossilator app for iOS and Android
The Moog one sounds fantastic, was easily worth the $15-20 it normally costs
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 07:49 (four years ago) link
Thanks for the heads-up on that Cherry Audio, I'm excited to try something VCV Rack-esque that looks like it fully functions as a VST.
― change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 22 March 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY-5mqkpsUg
50-oscillator ambient drone synth from Russia now available to pre-order.
― ShariVari, Monday, 6 April 2020 07:56 (four years ago) link
That sounds cool! I dig the touchpad design. the tiny knobs look like they could be a pain but it's neat that they fit all those controls on such a relatively small box.
― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
LOL @ 2 ppl playing it at once
― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link
Finally got a Korg NTS-1. This little guy rules. It has an "open" setting in the envelope generator which means drones for days
― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Monday, 20 April 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link
Speaking of which, hey drone demons, any fun tricks for creating drones out of audio apart from Paulstretch or infinite reverb? I don't generally venture into these waters but I have a use case.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
check the gleetchlab x program i linked in the VST thread, i've been droning by layering tiny samples (bordering on "granular" i guess), looping them, and running them through some of the software's portfolio of wild effects and processors. it's a compiled max/msp patch so there are interface quirks but it is fun as hell.
https://www.giorgiosancristoforo.net/softwares/
idk what the demo limitations are cause i bought it after about 5 minutes of playing with it
― adam, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link
i know you are not an ableton guy but you could achieve drony results in a similar manner with the granulator ii m4l device modulated with a ton of lfo devices to give the drone a little movement
― adam, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link
Thanks! I've got some vsts I can use for LFOs, and maybe I'll try Hysteresis for some granular fx. Maybe just adding a bunch of different layers with different pitches and effects to add movement.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
I don't really know where to put this but I love the droney/ambient clips this guy is posting to twitter/youtube from his homemade softsynth:https://twitter.com/jeonghoparkyoutube
It takes visual input for both synth waveform and score data, kind of like Daphne Oram's "Oramics" system, except you no longer need to rig up an overhead projector with thousands of pounds worth of homewired electronics into something the size of your entire living room, you can have it on your laptop.
...I mean, I haven't got any particularly good noises out of it yet myself, but I have faith in ilx:github for source and Mac/Win installers
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 18:42 (four years ago) link
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233572384063
dang
― adam, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 12:56 (four years ago) link
this is off topic but being sold by the same dude, the item description is WELL WORTH YOUR TIME https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pyradyne-Owned-by-DR-FRED-BELL-DevaStar-Orb-Patrick-Flanagan-Marcel-Vogel/233557492440
― adam, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 12:59 (four years ago) link
i think it was Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith who was doing a (late junction?) session for the bbc and put polysynthi down as a required for the session because they had one and she'd never seen one.
oh, it's there in the pictureshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0422qwl/p0422qr9
― koogs, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:18 (four years ago) link
that is very cool, i wonder if there's a way to hear that session. kas and greg fox is an interesting combo
― adam, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link
the same google search turned up a mixcloud link but i couldn't load it (but then my 3g connection has been poor all week)
https://www.mixcloud.com/latejunctionsessions/kaitlyn-aurelia-smith-and-greg-fox-in-session/ (might be dead)
(i thought the late junction sessions were always available because they are paid for by the bbc. the above does look like an official account, perhaps they do it via mixcloud and not sounds)
― koogs, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:45 (four years ago) link
(nope, standard 30 days, and that expired on Sun, 21 August 2016 (at 12:48:00 GMT))
― koogs, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:52 (four years ago) link
alas. i appreciate your efforts. coming up empty on slsk too.
the polysynthi came up on my saved ebay search for "synton fenix," the first time anything has ever triggered that one ha ha.
― adam, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
Yum:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hWIbje5tu4
― DJI, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link
i am a satisfied owner of the wavestate as of a couple weeks ago. wave sequencing made me feel stupid for a while but i'm slowly coming to grips with it. being able to hold down one key to play an entire song lightens the relative load on my digitakt and other synths
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
adam you should sign up here!!!!!
http://xenomorph.technology
― 2 Markov Chainz (haitch), Friday, 8 May 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link