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prep versus lumberjack

which trend is more exhausted?

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tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:23 (eleven years ago) link

Both are classic American styles that will continually come back imo.

If you mean at the moment, I say prep, but that's just because I like lumberjack better. What I really don't like is when lumberjack goes prep, which I think might be happening again. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:25 (eleven years ago) link

boring white kids calling their harris tweeds & repp ties "crispy"

smdh

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

waxed barbour jacket, skinny jeans, polo shirt & brogues #thislook

mubarakclovetofu (cozen), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

by lumberjack do you mean will oldham style nu weird lumberjack or norse projects style modern lumberjack

mubarakclovetofu (cozen), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:30 (eleven years ago) link

lumberjack is timeless as long as you dont overdo it

Princess TamTam, Friday, 11 February 2011 20:31 (eleven years ago) link

both, but with emphasis on the latter xp

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

can u please post a picture of this lumberjack look just so I'm clear?

ENBB, Friday, 11 February 2011 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

norse projects style modern lumberjack <-what on earth is this

zvookster, Friday, 11 February 2011 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

one day we will stop cutting down trees, but will class-climbing ever stop?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 February 2011 20:40 (eleven years ago) link

i dunno, i recently reloaded my google reader with a whole bunch of menswear shit and it's like everywhere i look, these two complementary but competing styles, both deeply rooted in craftsmanship & americana but diverging in their fetishization of economic classes -- the prep/trad calculated insouciance on the one hand and outdoorsman/lumberjack affected utilitarianism on the other -- idk why this bothers me but it does

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

ps I have no business posting in ILS

it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

The pics in that link really push the boundaries of "lumberjack" imo

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

liked you've never chopped down at tree in a buttondown vest pfft

it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

lumberjack is timeless as long as you dont overdo it

― Princess TamTam, Friday, February 11, 2011 2:31 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

ullr saves (gbx), Friday, 11 February 2011 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

like flannel shirts, nice beards, boots? pretty hot imo

ENBB, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, not overdoing it is key, I think.

ENBB, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

like flannel shirts, nice beards, boots? pretty hot imo

― ENBB, Friday, February 11, 2011 4:01 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, lumberjack is the victor in hotness but prep wins for most overplayed. I have my collar popped right now (jk {kind of}).

peacocks, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:07 (eleven years ago) link

how do you deal with lumberjackism in warmer climates? just sweat through it like religious wear in israel or goth wear in florida?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

yea i realize that it sounds like i'm hating itt

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 21:27 (eleven years ago) link

you wear short sleeved flannels and cut offs but then you end up looking like a skin head.

peacocks, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:27 (eleven years ago) link

it's also an LA hipster look tbh

sarahel, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

tbrr i don't have an inherent problem with either of these styles tbh, when they are well done they are classic looks but something about the preoccupation with brand heritage & authenticity -- and how the brands try to capitalize on it -- really rings hollow for me, idk

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

actually think norse projects is more fisherman than lumberjack

mubarakclovetofu (cozen), Friday, 11 February 2011 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

ok I had to google norse projects and doesn't seem really lumberjacky to me but omg I love the colors of these new balances which still remain my fav sneakers: http://www.freshnessmag.com/2009/10/21/new-balance-x-norse-projects-m670/

ENBB, Friday, 11 February 2011 22:07 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/NH5ru.gif ja it's more fishermanny http://i.imgur.com/NH5ru.gif

mubarakclovetofu (cozen), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

but something about the preoccupation with brand heritage & authenticity -- and how the brands try to capitalize on it -- really rings hollow for me, idk

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, February 11, 2011 4:32 PM Bookmark

In theory hertiage brands and well-made stuff should be a positive trend; the problem with it for me is that you know a lot of the guys buying the built-to-last filson jackets are probably going to put them in storage in a year or two when they buy the new must-have jacket.

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:35 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i guess lumberjack is maybe too specific for what i mean -- i guess it's more the outdoorsy workwear thing -- buffalo checks, red wings, oilcloth, alpine & fisherman sweaters, hunting caps, henleys, etc

xp yeah exactly h2

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:40 (eleven years ago) link

I had this pretentious idea for a while that I was going to write an essay about how the bestmade axe (a much blogged about designer axe made in NY with supposedly very high quality standards) is the ultimate icon of the current zeitgeist

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:44 (eleven years ago) link

these looks aren't style or fashion

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:44 (eleven years ago) link

lately though, I've been too drunk for fashion

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

the prep thing, otoh, annoys me because it's usually too close to home to really be ironic.

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:47 (eleven years ago) link

stradivariaxe is ironic?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 February 2011 22:50 (eleven years ago) link

I thought lumberjack style was to put on women's clothing and hang around in bars.

Peter Pepsi (Abbbottt), Friday, 11 February 2011 22:53 (eleven years ago) link

the last episode of community telegraphed lesbianism by dressing them in flannel... did that sort of thing predate the python sketch?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 February 2011 22:57 (eleven years ago) link

xpost no I just meant the urban lumberjack thing in general, in re irony. I mean I know we're all so many steps of irony removed from irony at this point that we don't think in these terms, but irony does have something to do with the origin of that style.

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 February 2011 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

but something unironic about the prep origin is bothersome?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 February 2011 23:07 (eleven years ago) link

i can definitely see how moneyed kids affecting embracing their legacy of privilege via prep style would irritate; that's not exclusively the case of course but it's pretty visible

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 23:13 (eleven years ago) link

could be the fact that both these current styles kinda flatter their own permanence -- whether through "quality craftsmanship" and durability or the idea that men can abide by "permanent style" which never changes

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 11 February 2011 23:20 (eleven years ago) link

Workwear/lumberjacks is fine as long as it doesn't start looking like a Halloween costume. Flannel, jeans, boots - fine. Flannel, jeans, boots, watch cap, $800 Mr. Freedom peacoat, leather wallet rein, artisanal axe - not fine.

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 12 February 2011 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

boring white kids calling their harris tweeds & repp ties "crispy"

lol
i follow a lot of the menswear tumblr blogs that do this kind of thing. i like prep/heritage stuff as well as workwear. but it can't look like you're trying too hard. a lot of times it does..

what's funny about these blogs is.. with some of them.. a dude will post hundreds of pix of nice looking, expensive things and finally when he posts a photo of himself, it's like.. um how do you spend all your time obsessing about fashion and you don't know how to buy things that fit properly and put them together?

personally i pay most attention to the subgenre of blogs that are all trying to look like clemence poesy/charlotte gainsbourg/models from la garconne, and all own the same isabel marant boots (that i would buy, if they were available in my size, but they're not). it's not a bad look imo

daria-g, Monday, 14 February 2011 04:43 (eleven years ago) link

you know who i really like is the street etiquette guys. i wish they'd post more

daria-g, Monday, 14 February 2011 04:57 (eleven years ago) link

yeah those guys are amazing. they post more stuff to their tumblr if you havent already checked that out

ouroboros shoal (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 February 2011 17:58 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I do follow their tumblr. still needs more pix of Joshua because damn..

daria, Monday, 14 February 2011 21:55 (eleven years ago) link

i follow a lot of the menswear tumblr blogs that do this kind of thing...

got links?

"multi-culturalism has failed" - a.wenger (cozen), Monday, 14 February 2011 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

these are both super overplayed and mostly populated now by try-hards and bloggers

max, Monday, 14 February 2011 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

you know what never goes out of style is a top hat

max, Monday, 14 February 2011 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

btw i dress "lumberjack" because those are the clothes my girlfriend picks out for me

max, Monday, 14 February 2011 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

elves on holiday to the city

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 00:10 (eleven years ago) link

this thread makes me uncomfortably calculate how many ppl roll their eyes at my outfit on a daily basis

plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 00:12 (eleven years ago) link

can i just:

slacks with a button-up shirt, a tasteful tie, and loafers?

fuck you

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 00:13 (eleven years ago) link

lols ahoy @ 'urban gnome style'
easy to mix up with 'homeless guy style' imo

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 01:27 (eleven years ago) link

shaved my beard partially due to this thread. feel way cooler now tbh

I'm totally kidding. Congrats strangers. (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 22:41 (eleven years ago) link

Lazy beanies are the fucking worst

jaxon, Friday, 11 March 2011 00:59 (eleven years ago) link

Look that hasn't been played enough: older black man style with matching suit, hat and alligator skin shoes (preferably in a garish color like purple or mustard)

jaxon, Friday, 11 March 2011 01:21 (eleven years ago) link

that look just says "south side of chicago" to me

ullr saves (gbx), Friday, 11 March 2011 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

EXACTLY.

jaxon, Friday, 11 March 2011 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

Judging by NYT Style coverboy Tim Lincecum, the stoner naif look is cresting:

http://sfist.com/2011/03/11/behold_tim_lincecums_new_york_times.php#

"adorable"????

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 March 2011 17:08 (eleven years ago) link

Wo. That's a nice smile and everything, but taken feature by feature, more than a little bit grotesque. Deffo not adorable. Style completely aside. Whoah.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Monday, 14 March 2011 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

elsewhere on this board, he has been called the Pee Wee Herman of baseball:

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Tim-Lincecum-bow-tie-game-face.jpg

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 March 2011 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

Is Wes Anderson his style icon?

Virginia Plain, Monday, 14 March 2011 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

good comp

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 March 2011 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

waxed cotton jackets. they're nice, i have one, but seriously, can i find a jacket out there right now that's not?

jaxon, Friday, 1 April 2011 06:27 (eleven years ago) link

oh i just saw this beeswaxed cotton jacket today. its awesome, but err, like $1400 at barneys... oh, but 'only' $900 on tresbien shop...

http://www.selectism.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/nigel-cabourn-parka-1.jpg

this one too:
http://cdn2.tresbienshop.net/media/catalog/product/cache/4/thumbnail/375x564/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_25688.jpg

phil-two, Friday, 1 April 2011 06:50 (eleven years ago) link

maybe a bit too niche-oriented to be overplayed but with spring coming i am seeing this everywhere -- reversible bow ties: why? is a bowtie just not quirky enough for you? does it have to be made of two contrasting fabrics?

i feel the same about neckties with contrasting back blades. is it totally snotty of me to say it just looks gimmicky and downmarket? it's v tommy hilfiger and nagl imo.

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 7 April 2011 14:05 (eleven years ago) link

fucking "lumberjack"

it's a PLAID SHIRT. to be a lumberjack you'd need to use like, fuckin, a log as your main mode of transport or something

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 April 2011 14:11 (eleven years ago) link

a plaid shirt does not a lumberjack make, no. but add a beard, work boots, a chore jacket, and a watch cap and behold: you are still not a lumberjack.

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 7 April 2011 14:18 (eleven years ago) link

elsewhere on this board, he has been called the Pee Wee Herman of baseball:

"I didn't bring an orange bow tie to Texas for fear it might jinx us," he says. Neukom's wife, Sally, bought one after the Giants won Game 4 and he wore it for the trophy presentation the next night. When he ran into pitcher Tim Lincecum later in the locker room, the team's principal owner -- who has four grown children of his own from an earlier marriage -- felt the tie in his jacket pocket and handed it to his star player.

Lincecum, whose long hair is in keeping with a "hippie" upbringing, asked Neukom earlier in the season to teach him how to tie a bow tie. Now the two-time National League Cy Young Award winner became a little boy again, examining the bow tie with wonder. "He looked at it and said, 'Is that for me?' " Neukom remembers. "That was a sweet moment."

Neukom is known for his bow ties. IIrc, Timmy was wearing a bowtie in honor of Neukom's b-day.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/10/07/sp-ratto08_ph1_0499261918.jpg

but add a beard, work boots, a chore jacket, and a watch cap and behold: you are still not a lumberjack.

haha i can't believe people do this

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 April 2011 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

I even own a Carhartt chore jacket but I had to google to figure what the term meant - I have never heard it.

I could see a normal person doing all of those except the beard, if they were working in the yard on a cold day or whatever. The beard is what takes that over-the-top and into "you had better be a professional waterman or something" territory.

the best reggae summer club there used to be in Helsinki (kkvgz), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:10 (eleven years ago) link

oh sure, they are all practical clothes for getting hard work done. but the original post is about the lumberjack look as urban street style, which is just silly.

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, probably wouldn't mess with omre than two of those at a time then.

the best reggae summer club there used to be in Helsinki (kkvgz), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

more

the best reggae summer club there used to be in Helsinki (kkvgz), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

i'll be honest. i have worn all of them at the same time (i hardly ever wear watchcaps though), but there's a matter of costume that makes this go from stylish to corny. like compare these two pix.

imo, stylish
http://static3.slamxhype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/pointer-jacket-3.jpg

in everyone's opinion, i'm sure, hella stoops
http://images.nymag.com/guides/everything/urbanwoodsman/woodsman100208_560.jpg

jaxon, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

If you know what a "chore jacket" is, you don't rly need one.

Otherwise you'd just call it "my jacket."

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

Possibly "my work coat."

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

ya. i had to look up what a chore jacket was and i got tons of workwear brands

jaxon, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

i rock "urban lumberjack" ish all the time & i think i look p cute, but i agree its basically overplayed

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:08 (eleven years ago) link

oh ha! i just took a picture of the last guy in that collage, a few days ago on spring street. same cardigan and boots, without the hat...

phil-two, Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

Is that a carabiner in his belt loop?!

lol mw, please don't tell me you're surprised?

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:40 (eleven years ago) link

haha

caek, Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

All the rage w people who want you to know that they used to be bike messengers, before it was lame.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:44 (eleven years ago) link

This reminds me of a story my dad told me about visiting NYC in '76. Being a hippyish ranger from Yosemite, he mostly wore jeans, woolen shirts and boots just like a certain segment of the gay population of Manhattan. He was really suprised that there were so many really friendly New Yorkers, given their reputation as surly, until my aunt, who was living there at the time, pointed out they were gay. Then my dad noticed that their boots were all impeccable and some of them ironed (?!) their jeans.

xpost speaking of overplayed style: bike messenger chic

jaxon, Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

when was it ever not lame?

phil-two, Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:55 (eleven years ago) link

like this, sheesh

http://blogs.reuters.com/oddly-enough/files/2009/06/bike-messenger-280.jpg

jaxon, Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

haha. i see the first guy on this page around town all the time

http://www.fixedgearbikesarefuckinggay.com/fixie.html

jaxon, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:02 (eleven years ago) link

btw I am wearing black double knee carhartts and a flannel right this very second

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Friday, 8 April 2011 00:25 (eleven years ago) link

fuiud

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Friday, 8 April 2011 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

yes but you live in minnesota, not brooklyn

J0rdan S., Friday, 8 April 2011 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

i was also wearing these
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3840570672_11f4507a1f.jpg

not cool

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Friday, 8 April 2011 01:28 (eleven years ago) link

to the tumblr & blog dudes who post photos of their outfits laid out on the floor: ugh stop why

to the guys who include their FUCKING FIREARMS in these photos: good lord wtf is wrong with u

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

enough with the italian tailoring already

jackie tretorn (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

i mean it must be p cool to be a wealthy neapolitan and the clothes sure are nice but tbh i'll be glad once the menswear set finds a new obsession, kinda sick of looking at one billion blue blazers every day

jackie tretorn (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 14:43 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

camouflage, i guess? i don't hate it and i like that designers are looking to prints and patterns but tbh it's getting to be pretty worn down as far as masculine signifiers go

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:49 (ten years ago) link

don't forget the whole camouflage-with-gold-embroidered-patterns-on-it thing

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 February 2012 18:03 (ten years ago) link


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