I feel pretty--NOT! THE COSMETICS THREAD

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OK so I need SS or anyone really to tell me where I can find Red Earth or SugarBaby stuff? Sephora and Ulta were no-gos. Are these department store brands? I want to be ILLUMINATED because god I sure could use it.

quincie, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:00 (eleven years ago) link

Is this it?

http://search.ulta.com/search?userid=Guest&w=red+earth&x=0&y=0

ENBB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

Oh yeah that's it! I didn't see it at the B&M store. I did see some brand called Sugar but apparently this is not to be confused with SugarBaby.

Complicated cosmetics are complicated.

quincie, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I got my secret potion at ulta. Something happened to Red Earth. They had a zillion stores in Australia and then suddenly none.
My SP is the MS001? It looks really white there, which it is i guess, but it has that effect where when you move it in the light you see pinks and whatnot. I really want to try Magician. Im into all thing gold these days.

Here is the Sugarbaby:
http://www.cherryculture.com/cosmetics/makeup/sugar-baby/sugar-baby-gleam-cream/16444&cat=0&page=1

sunny successor, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

oh and i would recommend Moonshine in the Sugarbaby Gleam Creme

sunny successor, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 21:23 (eleven years ago) link

i finally broke down and bought nars orgasm blush yesterday after months of lusting after it. so excited to put it on today!

tehresa, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:45 (eleven years ago) link

there's nothing like putting on a brand new blush ;)

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:46 (eleven years ago) link

and was it worth it?

lauren, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

I bought the Smashbox primer... I'm not really that happy with it! It doesn't do anything but make my skin -feel- smooth; I was under the impression that it'd help my concealer stay on longer/be stronger but there's no noticeable difference :(

Finefinemusic, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

i will let you know once i get it on!

i'm sure it will be... i've only tried it on in the store 15 times in the past few months...

tehresa, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

the half-dozen or so promotional emails that sephora sent me over the past 3 days must have worked. i stopped in earlier today and got a new, very dark (brownish-black cherry) lip gloss from smashbox and one of the new opi for sephora nail polishes ("metro chic" - a murky, lavender-ish grey).

lauren, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

not sure why the opi for sephora polishes are several dollars more than the regular opi line, though. bah.

lauren, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

I've used up all my lip glosses and tints and I basically liked all of them and want the exact same things again (one red, one pink, one clear) but am so lazzzzzzzzy and I hate running errands in midtown. Oh Sephora why are you not next door?

Laurel, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

i am going to sephora tonight (i have to return something). laurel, come with me!

bell_labs, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

i'm going to the one in union square thos
then to black & white

bell_labs, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:26 (eleven years ago) link

I forgot about B&W!! Maybe I go with! Mmm Thai food in my chompers.

Laurel, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

lol i love this thread title

Surmounter, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

you should come! i am starting school on monday and so this is my last social outing for awhile.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

though, i will still probably go home earlier than you would like :P

bell_labs, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

what did tza think of that blush?

sunny successor, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:03 (eleven years ago) link

we never found out! i assume things are good, though. nars blushes are reliably awesome.

lauren, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

(and so they should be, at those prices.)

lauren, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:06 (eleven years ago) link

OOOH I got gray nail polish (Recycle from China Glaze) and really rather liked it! Mr. Que did not. He called me corpse hands.

Last year I wore Russian Navy on my toes and he called me corpse feet.

quincie, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

so yeah stfu Mr. Que!

quincie, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

i like russian navy. it's much more multidimensional than i thought it would be.

lauren, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

Russian Navy = many years ago a friend of mine went for Halloween as a sailor from the Kursk. Corpse feet indeed.

Laurel, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:54 (eleven years ago) link

i have decided that i need to start wearing some foundation because my perioral dermatitis is not going away no matter what i do and i look like a blotchy freak. does anyone have something that is really light and non-irritating, but hides redness/blotchiness really well?

perioral dermatitis is basically like rosacea, but around the mouth. from what i can tell.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 19:59 (ten years ago) link

I'm waiting for it to get a little cooler before I don Russian Navy again.

I also want that grey you describe Lauren. I think that line also has a gold one I like.

Susan, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 20:16 (ten years ago) link

it's nice, but i wish it was a bit more truly grey.

lauren, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 20:30 (ten years ago) link

Bell I think I mentioned this on some other thread, but I am fond of MAC's studio fix as a foundation alternative for evening out blotchiness, which I have in spades on my cheeks.

It's a powder-type thingy that the MAC ppl put on with a brush (huh?), but that I just dab on with the sponge included in the compact. I like the consistency a lot--not too heavy or cakey--and was lucky to find a color that worked well. I use it just on my cheeks and leave the rest of my face au naturale or with a bit of cheapo Shine Free translucent powder if necessary.

quincie, Thursday, 28 August 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Does anyone have recommendations for something cheap for brows? I don't want to spend $30 on a little brow kit when I just something to keep them looking groomed.

I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Monday, 22 September 2008 13:45 (ten years ago) link

benefit's brow zings compact is $30, but i've had it for about 2 and half years now, and it's still good. it has a powder, a wax, two brushes (a stiff, angled one and a softer one for blending) , and really cute miniature tweezers. probably one of my favorite products of all time.

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 13:50 (ten years ago) link

(at the other end of the spectrum, my mother just uses a dark brown eye pencil , which seems to work fine as long as it's applied sparingly.)

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 13:52 (ten years ago) link

I suppose if it's lasted you that long it's probably a good investment. I've never really used an eyebrow pencil although I'm thinking of letting my thicken out a little so maybe now would be a good time to start.

I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Monday, 22 September 2008 14:02 (ten years ago) link

$30 is a lot, though. i was a lot more careless about money back then!

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 14:16 (ten years ago) link

I use a little bit of brown eyeshadow and it does wonders for my brows. I use Smashbox primer on my face now too so I guess a bit of it gets on my eyebrows before I get the shadow on.

Elyse Sewell (ANTM alum, working as a professional model in Asia) posted a blog the other day saying that all the pro makeup artists usually use Maybelline Great lash (the pink and green tube) but there has been a shift in the industry! Apparently the new big thing in mascara is Intense XXL.

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.Drugstore.com/prodimg/192398/200.jpg

Now we all know! She also said almost everyone is using Bobbi Brown gel eyeliner that comes in a pot.

http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2008/pf/03/GBW/020108_bobbibrown_a.jpg

Finefinemusic, Monday, 22 September 2008 15:36 (ten years ago) link

I've never been able to apply gel eyeliner well.

I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Monday, 22 September 2008 15:40 (ten years ago) link

i really don't get the love for great lash. i actually have a tube at the moment, given to me by my mother who mistakenly bought some in a buy one, get one offer. it SUCKS.

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:25 (ten years ago) link

let me count the ways that it sucks:

1) runs/transfers with the blink of an eye
2) thin, short brush
3) kinda clumpy
4) doesn't lengthen
5) any volumizing effect comes from aforementioned clumping
6) staying power is poor

maybelline must have made a deal with the devil to promote this stuff, because it's still the standard industry line that GL is not only good, but better than anything else.

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:27 (ten years ago) link

I can't seem to find a drugstore mascara that I <3. Bad Gal and Diorshow are current favorites, but damn $$$.

quincie, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:27 (ten years ago) link

maybelline's define-a-lash is okay.

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:31 (ten years ago) link

I've been more satisfied with Great Lash than any other mascara I've ever used! For me, the brush doesn't clump up, it doesn't clump on my eyelashes, and it goes on thickly and looks striking *shrug*

Finefinemusic, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:41 (ten years ago) link

I agree re:Great Lash. I like Rimmel's mascaras.

I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Monday, 22 September 2008 16:42 (ten years ago) link

i tried a rimmel mascara, based on a rec on an earlier beauty thread, and i loved it. by far the best budget mascara that i've tried, but... after about a week of use, i started getting itchier and itchier around the upper/lower eyelids, culminating in the morning i woke up with red, puffed-out, scaly patches around my entire eye area. so that was that for rimmel and me.

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:54 (ten years ago) link

i've switched to rimmel (glam lash is my choice). easily the best i've used in a long time.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Monday, 22 September 2008 19:22 (ten years ago) link

I bought an obscene amount of make-up this morning. It's going to be like Christmas for 4 years running, when the mail arrives.

Laurel, Monday, 22 September 2008 19:27 (ten years ago) link

hee.

i'll share the info: http://www.eyeslipsface.com/ is selling almost everything for $1 since nordstrom has bought them (to be the new house brand, i think). no idea if it's good stuff, but you can't get much cheaper than that.

lauren, Monday, 22 September 2008 19:34 (ten years ago) link

unfortunately they're just a $1 company all the time, it's not nordstrom stuff.. common email viral hoax :P

Finefinemusic, Monday, 22 September 2008 20:10 (ten years ago) link

though I do keep meaning to buy a whack of brushes from them since brushes are so expensive and I keep hearing they are the true secret of makeup success! if you google E.L.F. promo codes you can usually find free shipping/$5 off/etc

Finefinemusic, Monday, 22 September 2008 20:11 (ten years ago) link

I buy a lot of Sonia Kuscak (?) brushes at Target. They're great.

I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Monday, 22 September 2008 20:13 (ten years ago) link

That's interesting, LL and I think I know what you mean. I did the dark matte lips in HS too and it was very much a product of the time and also not wanting to be a girly girl. This makeup is different though in that it's very overtly sexy. They might definitely be using it as a mask of some kind but it's more in a traditional bombshell Kylie Jenner exaggerated everything sense.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:30 (six months ago) link

I'm all for anyone doing whatever they want with makeup it's just something interesting that I've observed. Tbf these girls had actually done an amazing job for the kind of look they were going for it was just A LOT for a Saturday afternoon out with the fam.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:33 (six months ago) link

My parents still keep up a pic of me at 15-16 yrs old that they made me take at Glamour Shots. I am pretty sure that shoot put me off of full face makeup for life.

Yerac, Monday, 28 January 2019 21:41 (six months ago) link

It is appalling how much makeup I still feel the need to put on every day and it’s definitely about feeling otherwise uncomfortable with myself, which is a poor reason. I would say it’s due to high beauty standards (whatever those are set as) in London, but then whenever I visit an English village there’s a beauty parlour on literally every street, so it’s likely entrenched everywhere. I’m not into that fake tan, heavy eyes look, though like you say, ENBB, I can appreciate its own artistry. Tanning is a huge thing here though and has been at least since I was at school. For a while I remember me and my best friend spending £2.50 to go on the tanning beds for 14 minutes after school every day. Not that I gave it a lot of thought at the time but for me it felt like a faux-financial status thing like ‘You can see that I am living a glorious lifestyle because I have clearly sought sun elsewhere’. Like if people saw that I was tanned they would assume I had money and was therefore more desirable. I wonder where I was getting this from though... I am really interested in the skin pedagogies of different cultures.

tangenttangent, Monday, 28 January 2019 21:45 (six months ago) link

xpost - Oh man, seeing people's glamour shots from their youth is the best. I never had them done but I almost wish I did because they were so OTT and ridiculous. :D Did you get to wear a hat? I feel like hats were often involved.

Oh yeah in addition to the fake tan tanning beds are still huge here! I got my nails done today (southwest London) and at least four people came in to use the beds. I didn't even realize people still did that. I wonder if the continued popularity of the beds also has to do with how dark and grey it is here in the winter. I was almost contemplating it before I left because I've been so starved for sunshine. I guess that wouldn't explain the fake tan though. I also find it really interesting for the reasons you stated above, T. It's such a big thing that I'm sure someone has studied this before.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:50 (six months ago) link

I remember having 3-4 changes of tops or hats. I have always been pretty lowkey and it was the height of college rock/alternative so I was horrified. The acceptable pic that made it out I had teased hair, no hat and a crushed velvet top. I passed on the bedazzled jean jacket and leather jacket pics. My spouse saw it and was so confused. But then he saw a 5th grade class pic of me where I am dressed up completely Hawaiian...

One of the articles I was just reading about UK tanning said there was a renewed interest after Pippa Middleton had her glowy tan during Kate's wedding.

Yerac, Monday, 28 January 2019 21:55 (six months ago) link

There was this great essay about the beauty industry’s control over our skin perceptions that I just remembered I was paraphrasing. It’s mainly about Asian skin whitening, but still sort of relevant.

Haha I love that people were using tanning beds around you today! It does seem like it should be outmoded by now... It’s quite an uncanny and sci-fi-ish experience. They give you little foil cones to wear in your eyes!

tangenttangent, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:02 (six months ago) link

my mom used to use a tanning bed as a SAD lamp before SAD was recognized as a thing
kind of a sad sort of self-medication (classic sad/SAD lol there)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:09 (six months ago) link

not at home, but at a salon
lest you think we had a tanning bed at home

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:09 (six months ago) link

As long as I've been alive my mom has been fighting her sunspots and trying to whiten her skin (she is from a fishing village in Taiwan) and has always been strictly against me being in the sun. I remember in the 80s she was a chaperone on a field trip to Kill Devil Hills and she was the only mother that carried an umbrella to block the sun. I was mortified. But she knew better.

Yerac, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:25 (six months ago) link

A guy at my high school named Brian Craig had a tanning bed at his house, down in the finished basement. We'd sit on it (not while it was on) drinking beers. Needless to say, dude was always tan. In Pittsburgh.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:14 (six months ago) link

yeah, growing up, I felt like being pale was higher status than being tan, because tan signified working outdoors (I think this was just me, and not actually cultural) and living somewhere inescapably sunny (e.g. inland), as opposed to working indoors and living in higher status places where it was cooler and foggy (e.g. coastal places like San Francisco or Monterey). But I remember in high school going to shows and wearing long sleeves and matte tights (even in summer) to hide the fact my arms and legs were tan. Oh yeah, and I'd wear lighter foundation (which probably looked awful) so that my face looked paler and less ruddy.

sarahell, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 05:00 (six months ago) link

It’s worth bearing in mind that the UK youth heavy make-up thing is about how you look in selfies rather than how you look in the cold light of day to strangers in the street. It’s also aspirational - Famous Person X gets their nails done professionally and so can I (even if it means sitting in a window somewhere the technicians may or may not be employed under modern slavery conditions).

I do think the caterpillar brow will be to this generation what the spiral home perm was to mine. But we all need old pictures to laugh at when we’re middle aged, right?

Madchen, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 09:33 (six months ago) link

are we talking Instabrows or another look?

sarahell, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:36 (six months ago) link

even my mum has been talking about microblading! she does have weedy eyebrows and would never ever go for a scouse brow or anything, but I'm still trying to dissuade her.

I don't watch First Dates regularly but have seen a couple. It's quite good for a reality type show. I feel quite out of touch with normal young people.

kinder, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 00:09 (six months ago) link

i wasn't in touch with normal young people even when i was young
it's ok!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 01:04 (six months ago) link

It's crazy how one's eyebrows never grow back even after the minor-est of plucking. I have gotten glossier's boybrow (seems fine) and anastasia's brow pencil. I like how I look, but as I mentioned above or elsewhere?, I think I look like an evil baby who smokes cigars.

Yerac, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:11 (six months ago) link

I wish my brows never grew back - I need to tidy them daily.

Madchen, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 07:49 (six months ago) link

I did my eyebrows with henna. It's awesome.

nathom, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 07:50 (six months ago) link

I wish my brows never grew back - I need to tidy them daily.

same here! though i got the $5 eyebrow grooming kit from Sephora and I feel like using that daily makes me look 100% more "together" than before -- like I feel that if your eyebrows look groomed it makes messy hair look less messy, whereas if both are all over the place, you just look like a mess, if that makes sense, though idk

sarahell, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:32 (six months ago) link

Re: UK tanning trends, can we please discuss the concept of tanning (fake or bed) before you go on a sun holiday?

gyac, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:49 (six months ago) link

Got to get that base, right?

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:28 (six months ago) link

do not do it

do not

DO NOT

end of discussion

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:32 (six months ago) link

I think there was/is a myth that once you’ve tanned, you won’t burn.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:51 (six months ago) link

That is a myth I have always subscribed to despite hard evidence to the contrary

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:58 (six months ago) link

Vonnegut was right.

Do not do it.

DO NOT DO IT

[/rant from pale-complected 45 year old who wishes she had heeded this advice]

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:01 (six months ago) link

oh ha posted multiple times BECAUSE YOU SHOULD HEED

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:02 (six months ago) link

Isn’t it as much about not having milk bottle legs for the first week?

But yeah, sun beds are categorically proven to cause cancer, so...

Madchen, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:12 (six months ago) link

And so is the actual sun, so. . .

If it is a matter of thinking you will feel more comfortable/have to use less product if you have a "base tan," I encourage you to think about it as working up a "base carcinoma."

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:37 (six months ago) link

Yeah its all about arriving at the beach looking attractive. I, btw, never tan, fake or no.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:39 (six months ago) link

Fake tans may have a good look ikd; I assume they have improved technologically over the years? But they provide zero sun protection over your original skin tone.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:40 (six months ago) link

I'm pretty sure people apply sun lotion over their fake tans; it's promoted as sort of the healthy alternative to tanning (sun or bed) which seems fair. It still smells absolutely terrible though, from what I can tell. I accidentally bought a moisturiser that had fake tan in it a couple of years ago, and it's that slow-release rotten smell that you're suddenly aware of surrounded by people on the tube. The embodied smell of inauthenticity! Horror!

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:47 (six months ago) link

so much of that kind of stuff has a coconut smell (or fauxconut smell) that I don't like -- i have reconciled myself to the fact that almost every hair product for my hair type has coconut in it and gives my hair a slight coconut smell after I wash it, and i guess i've gotten used to it, somewhat, but i am thankful i don't have to wash my hair all that often, but I still avoid coconut smelling cosmetics and hair stuff as much as possible. ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:54 (six months ago) link

lol @ fauxconut

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:59 (six months ago) link

i just made that up, and was quite proud.

sarahell, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:01 (six months ago) link

lol fauxconut is a dreadful cosmetics ingredient - so sickly! When was that universally decided as the go-to scent? Fake tan is like a distillation of the most offensive of those scents.

xp!

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:02 (six months ago) link

granted, it's not as bad as if cosmetics smelled like tuna salad (the american kind w/lots of mayo), or like cat pee, but ... i guess i should count my blessings because at some point in the horrible future the smell trend of cosmetics could very well be tuna salad cat pee

sarahell, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:06 (six months ago) link

How do people learn to apply makeup? I mean, I check out youtube and some three yo is doing it better than I can. Then again, everyone is better at this than I am. That's why I don't bother: I'm rub at it. Should gone to art class. (Btw nathom =stevienixed)

nathom, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:33 (six months ago) link

stevienixed!!!!! so happy to see you!!!!!!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 31 January 2019 12:50 (six months ago) link

Thanks! I missed ilx. :-))

nathom, Thursday, 31 January 2019 14:42 (six months ago) link

Serious answer for Nath: I have a feeling most people start with a couple of products - bit of concealer and some mascara maybe - and then build it from there (for me over the course of two decades). Pretty sure that if I’d gone straight from zero to my current 14-ish products I’d feel like I was wearing a mask.

Madchen, Thursday, 31 January 2019 18:34 (six months ago) link

It literally took me seven years to get flicky eyeliner right at a reasonable speed.

Madchen, Thursday, 31 January 2019 18:35 (six months ago) link

what's flicky eyeliner?

sarahell, Thursday, 31 January 2019 18:54 (six months ago) link

Cat eye type eyeliner. Flicks up at the outer corner of the eye.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 31 January 2019 19:25 (six months ago) link

God I so desperately want to be able to do the eyeliner. 😭

nathom, Thursday, 31 January 2019 19:39 (six months ago) link

I am still trying to make eyeliner happen without pulling the side of my eye out. It's so hard to change up and just look straight ahead.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 19:42 (six months ago) link

I don’t care about having milky white legs at the beach. I slather myself in SPF and haven’t been properly tan since I was a kid. I don’t actually like the way I look tan. I went was in the Bahamas last spring for a couple days and somehow forgot sunscreen. I for burned to a crisp and when it faded to tan I kept thinking my face was dirty.

I think Madchen’s right about learning makeup skills over time. I never actively tried to learn but have admired different MUA for years and I’ve just gotten better over time, I think.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 31 January 2019 23:13 (six months ago) link

Cat eye type eyeliner. Flicks up at the outer corner of the eye.

haha this is the only make up thing I actually know how to do well!

sarahell, Friday, 1 February 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

one of my coworkers has the most amazing winged eyeliner, it almost looks tattooed it is so perfect

i want to email her and say “hi what eyeliner do you use and also PLEASE TEACH ME YOUR WAYS”

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 February 2019 22:28 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

Really into cream blush atm, I am trying to track down the perfect color

surm, Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:25 (one month ago) link


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