suncream, zits and wrinkles: rolling skincare thread?

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just got an email from sephora that they're offering a free "premium sample" of shiseido SPF 55 fancypants cream with any online purchase, if you enter "shiseido" at checkout. just wanted to post this as lauren seemed to enjoy her sample of this stuff, so might be worth ordering something to get big sample?

colette, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 03:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

if you can get to a store, i think you can get a sample w/out buying anything?

tehresa, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 03:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is this thread for facial scrub/cleanser/moisturiser? I have some awes knowledge that I want to impart.

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 06:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

go on then

electricsound, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 06:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

colette, as tehresa said you can get a pretty generous sample at the store without buying anything. the big drawback is that it's not in a hygienic little tube.

i do like it, and i'm going to keep using it at the beach or whenever i'm going to be out in the sun for an extended period of time and see what happens. if my skin doesn't go crazy, i'll probably buy it.

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

i tried to by the avene eulage cream last night but the woman talked me down to the milder ystheal (i have no idea why duane reade employs a skin care specialist, but they do). i am kinda hoping retinoids will change my life as some people have really great experiences with them (gets rid of blackheads AND wrinkles!! at the same time!) but i guess i'll see.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

but the woman talked me down to the milder ystheal (i have no idea why duane reade employs a skin care specialist, but they do).

cracks me up

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

i also have no idea why i listened to her? probably because she was wearing a lab coat?

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha yes

Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

is this a logical train of thought?:

if you have fine lines and you get restaline or juvederm or some kind of filler to push them out would it make sense that those lines wont get much deeper (well not as fast as the natural progression) because your face doesnt crinkle in that spot in the same way when you laugh, smile, frown etc?

sunny successor, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

"restylane", i guess

sunny successor, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think that makes sense but the idea of fillers still scares me

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

regular botox treatment is claimed by some to prevent further wrinkling for the reason that you mention. i think fillers are more for areas that don't move as much, but i'm not sure...?

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

hm. i wonder if there is anything i can do to prevent wrinkles if i go to gradschool next year. i will be working full time and going to school full-time and i expect that i will never sleep. i will probably look like i'm 40 after a year of this.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Every day I express gratitude for the existence of sunscreen. I get a gradient darker just standing outside without it, and within a month I become Oompa-Loompa color.

Abbott, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

ladies & gent, what do you think of 'olay regenerist uv defense regenerating lotion spf 15'

i wanted a sunscreen + moisturizer & stole that from my mom but my bottle is long empty

the only other one ive tried is cetaphil spf 15 & i thought the olay one felt much more soothing ( i have v dry skin)

my followup question is, does spf 15 actually do anything anyway?

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

in the amount that you get from an application of moisturizer, probably not.

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

so what is a good sunscreen to put on the face then? and should it go on before or after moisturizer?

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

i apply it after. neutrogena's for the face are good. you don't nec. need a super high spf, but you need to apply enough - about a teaspoon , i've heard - and reapply if you're going to be in the sun for a while.

lauren, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

I have the Oil of Olay 'daily defense' 30 spf moisturizer, and it does me right.

Abbott, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm liking the olay "time delay" day and night creams, they have BHAs and seem to be moisturizing without breaking me out. it's SPF 15 which i figure is enough if i'm inside all day, but i just put the neutrogena dry touch stuff on today when i was cycling in, and i'm actually surprised at how un shiny i am.

i think maybe if you're a very shiny person (i am in the summer) one of the dry sunblocks on its own might be the ticket, when i put it on over moisturizer i'm pretty greasy quickly. obviously YMMV.

colette, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

that sounds perfect abbott! i thought they were all spf 15s. its not v expensive at all either.

what a great board!

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

the dry touch is pretty nice. it definitely has a matifying effect.

i'm on the fence about whether to buy the dr. brandt pores no more stuff. i like the sample that i got, but it's so expensive i don't know if i can justify it. it does really seem to minimize the pores. is there anything cheaper that works in the same way?

bell_labs, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

linds, was totally thinking abt all the pore questions of old thread and okay okay here's my discovery (via my mom, who has been visiting since friday):

i know i mention aveda often but i'm pretty discriminating abt their products, as a lot are too much for me anyway, BUT holy whoa, they have these salicylic acid toner pads that are as shockingly expensive as they are shockingly effective. i started using them friday and they caused an initial and very slight uh swelling of major pore areas (plus it was really hot & humid out) but now my skin is so calm and pores so clean & diminished and happy! it is kind of crazy.

the thing is that i can't use other salicylic acid things b/c they're lotions or whatever and just too heavy, but these aren't causing problems! i will check back in a week re: these but so far i am amazed. and yknow my skin will break out at anything. i haven't put any other medication or zit treatment or anything on my face either while using these. so yeah, neat.

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

On Saturday I wore the neutrogena spf 70 and neutrogena glow sheer spf 30, which is probaby overkill.

Oh, and a hat.

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

spf 70!!!!!!! damn

deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

my seemingly bottomless pot of avon eye cream finally ran out. replaced it with boscia's enlivening amino eye treatment - yay! i've been wanting this stuff for a while.

lauren, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

I also bought spf 70 yesterday, prompted by my dermatologist.

bell_labs, Friday, 4 July 2008 21:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

yes so the neutrogena dry touch 55 is apparently completely useless against tropical sun and i became horribly burnt on my first full day in maui. after that, purchased coppertone spray 70 which was weird, and then found that the coppertone sport 50 actually works really well. however, i am peeling like crazy, and the skin right above my breasts and next to my pits is so incredibly burned it's scary looking. those two corners burned way more than anywhere else. the pain has gone away, but what is a good cream/treatment to reduce scarring/mottling?

tehresa, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 01:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

oddly, though, the ny sun feels like nothing to me now! i will still wear lots of sunscreen, though!

tehresa, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 01:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is this thread for facial scrub/cleanser/moisturiser? I have some awes knowledge that I want to impart.

-- Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:50 (Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:50)

Such a tease... Tell all plz.

I'm looking for a moisturiser for the face that's good on mixed skin i.e. greasy in places, dry in others. It also has to let the skin breathe and if possible soothe after a shave.

For years I've been using straightforward aqueous cream but I'm not so sure it's good for my skin having tried something else this past while.

hyggeligt, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 10:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

T -- any of the soothing herbal combinations: aloe, comfrey, chamomile, calendula. Or Vitamin E. Keeping the skin/wound moist is the best way to reduce scarring, the vit E or aloe will do that.

Laurel, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

when i was in hawaii i got an awful 3rd degree burn (from hot oil, not the sun) but there were tons of aloe plants everywhere and so i just put that on it constantly. i have no scar from it (which is amazing, it was a huge burn).

bell_labs, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 14:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

guys i just made my first sephora order. now i know what youre all talking about with the samples you get. excited!

sunny successor, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 19:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

also found out there is a sephora right here in little rock. who knew?

sunny successor, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 19:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

I get little bumpy spots on my forehead, you can't really see them, but they still piss me off. I have very short hair, don't use gel, wash hair with Vosene and face with witch doctor face scrub every day... but they don't go away!

What to do?

Bodrick III, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 22:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

it may be from heat/sweating? try to stay dry. or you may be over-cleansing/scrubbing.

tehresa, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

sunny i didn't know you were in little rock! one of my good friends lives down there

Surmounter, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

So hydroquinone is supposed to be evil and carcinogenic right? I am trying to fade a couple discolored spots on my legs (leftover from ingrown hairs) and I'm wondering if this is a bad idea...

bell_labs, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

it may be from heat/sweating? try to stay dry. or you may be over-cleansing/scrubbing.

If you're using all that stuff regularly then yes, I think that could be your problem. I would avoid using anything abrasive on them.

hyggeligt, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 10:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

No no all he said was he uses a certain shampoo and a witch hazel toner, that's not much at all -- in fact, only one facial product!

Bodrick, impossible to say, really, but start trying things. Is your pillowcase clean? Do you touch your face during the day? Drink a few glasses of water a day? Maybe try giving up caffeine for two weeks and see if that makes a difference, etc etc etc. Think of it as an exciting experiment.

Laurel, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 13:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

Or stop the witch hazel and try an exfoliant like the St Ives apricot scrub -- it's not fancy and some people don't like it, but it's not a bad start. (I don't want to give anyone sticker shock by recommending a $30 tub of something.)

Laurel, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 13:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

A little bit of baking soda mixed with soap/cleanser does a nice job of gently exfoliating. That apricot stuff has really large granules and I heard that's not so good for skin, being so abrasive. Also bs is so cheap it's almost free.

iirc, Colette taught me this trick!

La Lechera, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 13:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is your friend as sweet as you, Surm?

sunny successor, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I love the St Ives for my face, but then I use corn meal on my body and that's even scratchier (I love scratchy). I think Julia told me about the baking soda! It's a Chicago thing, apparently. But the baking soda is too fine for me and I never feel smooth after using.

Laurel, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ouch!

lauren, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

No no all he said was he uses a certain shampoo and a witch hazel toner, that's not much at all -- in fact, only one facial product!

Ah, I didn't really read it and thought Vosene was some kind of American cleanser that sounded very chemical!

St Ives apricot scrub -- it's not fancy and some people don't like it

Why not? (ah I see that this has been answered) I think I can get that here and if it's good for blackheads?

Actually what is good for blackheads and sensitive skin?

A little bit of baking soda mixed with soap/cleanser does a nice job of gently exfoliating.

Wouldn't it burn the face off you? Ah, I see not.

I am like Laurel, I prefer something that has a bit of 'bite' but sadly that wreaks havoc on my skin. There was a very good exfoliator a while ago that I stole from someone, I wonder if I can still find it and buy more.

hyggeligt, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

I with Laurel on this too. I like feel like im taking a few layers of skin off.

sunny successor, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 14:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

has anyone ever had a lactic peel? there is some spa offering them for $50 for the month of july which is half of what it usually costs, but i'm afraid my skin is too sensitive. it's supposed to be less intense than a glycolic peel though.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 15:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

listen dudes, i like the scratchy and i like the feeling of taking off dead layers of skin, but liking it doesn't make it good for my skin. i only use baking soda on the face because it's sensitive. on the rest of me i would happily use a sandblaster, but i settle for some crappy scrubbing thing i got at marshalls.

let me add that i enjoy exfoliating so much that i bought the god-forsaken ped-egg, and it wasn't tuff enough for me! in fact, it sucked and didn't take off but the top layer of dead foot skin. not recommended!

La Lechera, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 15:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think I should start using a daily SPF moisturizer for my face, yes? here is my criteria:

* I have normal skin, it is not particularly oily or dry, it will be maintenance and not restorative so I don't need something like intense therapy extreme moisture to repair super dry skin
* it must be fragrance free bcz I hate smelling like things
* I want it to be as smooth weightless invisible as possible
* ideally it would be a mid-range brand like something from a drugstore or even Kiehl's or Jack Black, like I'd like to spend $10-30 on this? But certainly not more
* how much SPF?? I'm under the impression lower SPF = smoother lighter more weightless product but I have also read that you need a minimum of SPF 30 or there's really no point

Brands I am considering are Kiehl's, Neutrogena, La Roche-Posay, uhhhh I really have no idea what I'm doing. The problem is that these are all so expensive and I can't find trial sizes and I'm so reluctant to spending $20 so I can try something and then hate it

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

welcome to the world of skincare :-/

i use EltaMD UV Daily Facial Sunscreen Broad-Spectrum SPF 40, 1. 7 oz <-- just google those words. it's under $30, fragrance free, recommended by my dermatologist and doesn't sting.
idk if that is what you are looking for but that's what i use and it fits your requirements without making you go to a store if you don't want to. maybe you like going to the store, i find it easier to just order it.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

or is this like trying to use 2 in 1 shampoo/conditioner and I really just need to get a quality moisturizer PLUS a quality sunscreen??? agahoighdklhga

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I guess my goal is, like, keep my skin looking decent for as long as possible, while it's still in OK condition. The more I read about SPF -- it's worthless in a moisturizer and must be a separate product, you have to apply an insane amount for it to work, you must reapply every 2 hours, etc -- just makes me, like, why bother if I'm indoors pretty much all day?

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I still need to try that Biore water essence spf 50 that they only sell in japan (but can be found on amazon). I am very, very bad about wearing spf everyday because I hate the weight of it. I did really like Peter Thomas Roth sheer spf but it's pricey.

Yerac, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Stevie try a Korean brand (and use a separate spf and moisturizer - the coverage is unreliable when it’s apllied in a moisturizer) like CosRx or Biore (you can find them on amazon). Alternatively, go to a Sephora and ask for samples.

just1n3, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

we all have the same goal!
i use cerave regular moisturizer (that i get at target or wherever) and that abovementioned sunscreen
you kinda have to figure out what works for you. it takes a little effort.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Forget the 2 hr thing - no one is doing that unless they’re at the beach

Yerac you’ll like the biore - like the cosrx, it’s ectre light and non greasy

just1n3, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ectre? I don’t know what I was trying to type there

just1n3, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know CosRx. I will check it out!

Yerac, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 19:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

has anyone tried the Neutrogena Hydro Boost?

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 21:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

also I am so baffled by how aggressively odd skincare/moisturizer branding is, like deliberately awkward grammar and made up words and weird-ass bottles and and and

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 21:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Truvée Journique The Glistening Black Watermilk Gellé Salve

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 21:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I use Avene Hydrance Optimale, the 'light' versionversion. It's spf20 and fine as a non-heavy base for makeup

kinder, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 23:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've tried the Hydro Boost sunscreen and liked the texture very much, but I react too much to chemical sunscreens so it broke me out like mad. I had to go back to TiZO2 and Coola mineral sunscreens.

Jaq, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 23:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

stevie you could have a look at which oils are natural sunscreen's - for e.g. wheatgerm oil is naturally spf 20 - however I don't know if that oil is shiny or quite matt (some are one and some the other) - i think that maybe only works if you are only using an oil though.

Khiels ultra facial moisturiser with spf (15, i think) is good but iirc, someone upthread thought it was only suitable for certain climates/humidities etc. It's squalane based, which i like.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 00:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'll never learn how to spell Kiehl's.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 00:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xxxpost kinder that's also my daily moisturizer+sunscreen; I stock up on my (infrequent, at most once a year) euro trips because it is way cheaper there, but it is also available as a higher-end brand in the US.

For beach or other mega sun exposure, I suck it up and use relatively crappy-feeling/looking SS from Blue Lizard, which I don't love the feel of but does the job even without stinging my eyes and survives long days in and out of the water.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 00:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I really need to start buying mineral based sunscreens for the beach. I read a couple of blogs about them but just need to execute and do it. (before I had such good luck with No-AD Kids spf 100000000). 6 months in O'ahu never burned once. But i did wear rash guard long sleeves a lot.

Yerac, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

All this time, I somehow never realised we had a skincare thread! I'm big on Asian/Korean skincare though I don't do the whole 10-step routine thing cause really, who has time for that amirite? But they make amazing, gentle, inexpensive products which have done wonders for my (oily, acne-prone) skin.

Had a misadventure with some exfoliating acids last year and slowly working to repair the damage. Recovery has been slow but am getting there - this is my current routine:

1. Banila Co. Clean It Zero sherbet cleanser (at night, only if i've worn makeup that day. Gets the toughest waterproof eyeliner out but not drying like regular makeup removers/wipes).
2. Calmia oatmeal cleanser (daily)
3. Klairs unscented toner (daily)
4. Klairs freshly juiced vitamin drop (vitamin c serum - every 2-3 days)
5. Cosrx BHA power liquid (alternate days with the vitamin c)
6. Sunplay Skin Aqua UV watery gel SPF 50 (daily. Japanese brand, super lightweight, love it).
7. Klairs rich moist soothing cream (this is a good moisturiser but I honestly don't use it that much - I live in the tropics and my skin is super oily that I really don't need it. Once or twice a month maybe, when my skin feels drier/more irritated than usual.)

Favourite sheetmasks: Naruko - a Taiwanese brand.

Yerac, I used to love the Biore watery essence sunscreen but they changed the formulation in mid-2017 and I don't like it as much now - feels greasier and application isn't as smooth.

Roz, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 03:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

So a couple weeks ago I cancelled my Birchbox subscription after doing it for 8 months or so, bc I was kind of sick of all the lip balms. Today I get home and there’s a Dermstore Beauty Fix box addressed to me, that I did not sign up for.

Apparently my husband decided I should def keep getting some kind of beauty box so he researched the best ones, including finding and reading a beauty box subreddit, and decided Dermstore’s was the best and bought me a subscription.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 03:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Your husband is a gem. <3

Roz, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 03:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp lmao I read that and was like "wow what an incredible husband" and then saw who posted it and was like "oh yes of course"

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 14:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also I am so baffled by how aggressively odd skincare/moisturizer branding is, like deliberately awkward grammar and made up words and weird-ass bottles and and and

SO MUCH.

I've bought my mom two bottles of this, and she says it's super light and she loves it even living in south Florida and being outside a lot.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61OVJiU68%2BL._SX522_.jpg

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 14:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yerac, mineral sunscreens yay! Chemical ones make my skin burn like I just put acid on it.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 14:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I really wonder when my skin will get used to retinols/oids. The skin around my mouth still gets shredded when I use them.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 00:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Y, do you really need them? I used an -oid for a bit but had no positive or negative effects. I thought anti-oxidants were better at smoothing my skin and reducing lines (the EUK on ordinary is the bomb as is the alpha lipoic acid and have read very good reports of the pycogenol).

my problem is not lines so much as sagging though and there seems to be no (non-surgical) fix for that. And also eyebags, for which the same applies.

I had a huge problem with neck-creases though (horizontal creases) and can say that using the anti-oxidants I just mentioned along with the B Oil from the ordinary has, pretty much, made them disappear.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also, using Egyptian Magic on my body has reduced my psoriasis flare-ups massively! I love this stuff! As I've said a hundred times here already (probably) i'm lucky to not get psoriasis on my face other than around my ears.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i also love the packaging of it, ha.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

here's my PM routine though:

wake up on couch with TV still on.
try to turn off all the lights in the room but give up on the floor lamp that has a button switch on the fucking floor ffs (the button is under the sofa)
wake up next morning knowing I didn't even manage to brush my teeth before bed let alone apply serums.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

When I was in Hong Kong I picked up a Korean product called Lip Hop which is sunscreen but can also double as a primer. I really recommend it for hot weather if you get the opportunity to pick it up - the one I got is the City Defence sun spray which is spf50.

gyac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 06:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

part of the problem with caring about skincare is learning all the names that people have for things i thought were normal about my body. neck creases are a problem? they can be removed? i think i am allergic to anything that makes me hate my body. it's easy enough to hate having a body without being told which specific parts are wrong.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2019 14:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I had no idea neck creases could be removed. Really??

I learned the term 'tear troughs' which I quite like. Mine are more like black trenches since I had kids. I don't hate my body or face or anything but they are quite noticeable and yknow, right in the middle of my face, so I always look like a zombie. I need to find out which one weird superfood makes your tear troughs fatten up ;)

kinder, Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yessss. I do notice neck creases and also sun damage and wrinkling to the upper chest & cleavage on other people, although I'm not proud of that critical eye. I try to mentally observe it and then let it go, as a step in re-training my eyes and mind. But I'm self-conscious of hands, and esp as I spend more time in the sun thanks to riding a scooter around, I put gloves on and use sunscreen on my forearms to minimize sun damage to frequently exposed areas.

I think my natural subcutaneous fat is protecting me from lines and sagging in other places! Yay fat!

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I have never used retin-anythings though I've seen the effects on others--is this what ppl use to resurface skin when there's scarring? I remain firmly sceptical/disbelieving that anti-oxidants do anything? Eating them, okay maybe. But putting them on your skin?? Skin is the body's way of keeping things OUT, it's a great barrier, and skin cells are generated from layers below where they aren't touched by things you put on the surface!

When applied topically, vitamin C has been proven to preserve skin’s resiliency so it takes on a firmer feeling and smoother appearance. Research shows that vitamin C also helps improve an uneven skin tone and brighten dull skin so it’s visibly more radiant, just like younger skin.

Like most antioxidants, vitamin C also can calm and help hydrate skin so it’s better able to withstand the rigors of daily life and the environment’s impact on how skin looks and feels.

This sounds like utter nonsense.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I used to have a roommate who believed every word of hype around this or that new treatment and she once lectured me for 10 mins of me just nodding along to crazier and crazier things, and at the end she was like, "You don't believe any of this, do you?" in an accusing way and I was just like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i think criticism of necks in general sets me off. on my first day of 8th grade, first day at my new school, i was sitting in math class (my second class after homeroom) and two boys i had never met or talked to before in my short life started examining my neck and found something to dislike about it. they kept saying part of my neck was gray, that i was dirty.

i had just turned 13 and strangers were already mocking my neck? i had never even considered that there was something wrong with my neck. thinking about this just makes me think we are deeply diseased as animals.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost jed, I was using the retinoids because I turned 40 and they are so well priced at the Ordinary. I can't even remember what they are even supposed to do but... I have had neck creases forever. I figured it was genetic or just a kimora lee simmons thing to get used to. So Alpha Lipoic Acid and B oil worked? I think I have some bio oil my mom gave me. The neck creases and my eyes showing some wear ( I really need to stop rubbing them so hard but it feels so good) are the things that I would pay more attention to. My skincare before was just washing with face soap and then one face moisturizer, eye cream if I had it. I only started using serums last year. they seem fine.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost LL, I have always been very sporadic and lazy about shaving any body part well into adulthood. It was always hilarious why strangers/peers even bother to comment on it. They just can't resist.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I kind of also thought I had neck creases from lying down and reading a lot.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol i never thought of that but maybe? i spent much of my childhood reading. it never occurred to me that it was also making me hard on the eyes. like sun damage -- who knew?!

sometimes it can seem like the advice people give about zapping self-consciousness like stop caring what other people think because they aren't thinking about you anyway goes out the window when you realize that people still think it's ok to comment on someone's body hair. that happens to me too! i wish i could think it was hilarious -- maybe i will try to train myself to think of it that way. this other way isn't really working for me :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

you have a good attitude, yerac!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2019 15:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I still did get stuff lasered though because I hate even dealing with thinking about shaving and groupon was super interesting then. Oddly enough I kept the hair on parts people would comment on when I was younger, like forearms or thighs.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 16:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

My entire process when I hear someone comment on a physical attribute of someone in a derogatory is always "why the fuck do you care?" I remember saying this to my brother once when he was going off about tattoos on women at the beach. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE? OMG!!! His wife was startled.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 16:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

La Lechera, sorry to make you think about that!

fwiw, no they didn't completely disappear, just diminished notably. Yerac the alpha lipoic can be used only twice a week. I would recommend that but I' also using the EUK.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

you didn't do anything wrong -- apparently i am very sensitive about necks! coincidentally, i also like the band the necks.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Me too, mate!

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I have that alpha lipoic (the hot one!) and usually when i do any serum from The Ordinary I smooth it on my neck too.

Yerac, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

:)
¡necks!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

re: all of this- sometimes you look at your face (or neck!) and think you look pretty good on that day and sometimes you look at your face and go ugh and have to look away. you most probably always look the same to everyone else. we all know this.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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