CHEAP BLACK TIE

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i dont want to rent a tux-

help me i love style

gr8080, Sunday, 24 August 2008 00:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

Black suit, dress shirt, bowtie, waistcoat/cummerbund.

Ed, Monday, 25 August 2008 13:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

RONG

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 13:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

a black suit looks like a black suit and cannot be made into a tuxedo

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 13:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

i say:
+ if you can, rent the tuxedo trousers by themselves.
+ white plain-front shirt with cutaway or spread collar, w/ french cuff if poss.
+ a black silk or satin bowtie which you will tie yourself.
+ if french cuff, then cufflinks.
+ black cardigan, maybe cashmere.
+ black socks, low black shoes, NOT lace ups.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 13:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

i mean its a bit casual and flaunts the dress code a bit, but it would also be cool and sassy and intersting to look at which I think is the story of gr80

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 14:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

also if you got to spend some money on formalwear spend it on clothes you can wear again in other outfits / on other occasions

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 14:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

Wilkes: This is the black tie affair!
Sam Simms: I know, sir and I got it covered. I'm black and I'm wearing a tie.

max, Monday, 25 August 2008 14:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

great line from classic sinbad flick 'first kid'

max, Monday, 25 August 2008 14:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe you could just rock the tux tee gr80

with some rhinestones on it

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 14:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.designsnduds.com/Chatty/HawaiianShirt.jpg

black tie, local style

gabbneb, Monday, 25 August 2008 14:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

but really, if you follow only one piece of my advice it is to TIE YOUR OWN TIE, it is the difference between classy and tasteless right there

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol elmo ur suggesting grady wear a tuxedo but w/a cardigan instead of a jacket ???

im loling out loud :)

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

also guys remember: tux does not have to = bow tie these days. helps you feel less goofy.

tehresa, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

u need to emulate this guy

http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/mylife/prom1.jpeg

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

aaaand the old standby

http://www.publicaddress.net/assets/img/hardnews/GuidoOompa.jpg

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

yess

tehresa, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

mr. craem: yes i am. i think he could pull it off!

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

elmo im sure u know we all really admire yr dress sense but sometimes you go too far - this time U HAVE GONE TOO FAR

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

awww hey come on man

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

no srsly its JUST TOO MUCH u cant sub a cardigan into a tuxedo IT BOGGLES THE MIND

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

tuxedos are gettin unconventional these days, i read it in the glossies

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

aaannyway how come i cant find any pictures of a teal tuxedo w/rhinestone dolphins all over it cause thats what gradski should totes wear

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://i36.tinypic.com/rjqd80.jpg

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 16:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

conversely

http://i33.tinypic.com/biwi1x.jpg

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 16:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol pocket square looks like a tab of the el ess dee

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 16:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

solution: trip balls, wear whatever

ice crӕm, Monday, 25 August 2008 16:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

dolphin tuxedo whoa, should exist, on gr80

rrrobyn, Monday, 25 August 2008 18:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

but a CARDIGAN -- WHY NOT???

elmo argonaut, Monday, 25 August 2008 20:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

elmo otm - a tuxedo/black tie is semi-formal anyway.

Jaq, Monday, 25 August 2008 20:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

but according to the rules this is black tie:

* Short or medium jacket with grosgrain or satin facings
* Trousers with silk braids matching the lapels
* A black cummerbund or a low-cut waistcoat
* A white dress shirt with either a marcella, stiff, or pleated front
* A black silk bow tie
* Black dress socks, usually silk
* Black shoes in patent or highly polished leather, or patent leather pumps

rrrobyn, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

but whatever, rules

rrrobyn, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

what if it was a highly structured cardigan
with satin on it

rrrobyn, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

but i mean, everyone will be wearing a jacket and it wld feel weird to not be wearing a jacket

rrrobyn, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think cardigan would work best with Captain Crunch style fringed epaulets.

Abbott, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 01:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

i've done the cardigan look for a "festive" dress code, but i was working so i had to look formal, and it looked good.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 02:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

I like that gr80s rfi begins with the word CHEAP and is answered by the suggestion of cashmere sweater over tailored shirt with cufflinks

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 03:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

im not sure like, if youre against tuxedos in general or just as rentals because obv u can get a pretty decent used tuxedo at vintage/consingment shops for CHEAP.

maybe this is reactionary but the point of black tie is the rules and the formality and the subtlety of minor variations and wearing a cardigan (!) seems kind of disrespectful to the spirit of the thing. "oh, i see you went to the trouble of getting all dressed-up. yes, i'm wearing a sweater. do you like it?" um like, when an invitation specifies black tie i never think here's an opportunity to expand the parameters of an established convention? where's my bolo tie?

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 05:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

i wish this bord let u edit posts.

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 06:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

dolphin tuxedo wldn't have the same flare with a cardigan that's for sure

rrrobyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 11:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think a lot of people think black tie is a lot more formal than it is, as well as the fact that there are many 'festive black tie' events which encourage variation, but regardless -- it's going to depend ENTIRELY on the individual event. if gr80 is going to dine at an ambassador's house or will be receiving a prestigious award, of COURSE he should wear a full proper tux. but if it's not so formal as that, chances are he'll be able to improvise something suitable out of stuff he already owns + a few new versatile garments.

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 14:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

and whoever said to look for tuxedos at the thrift has a good idea, though most of the vintage tuxes i've seen are hideous 70s deals.

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 14:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

if i had it online, this is where i would post a picture of my dad in a red glen tartan tuxedo with lapels & oversized bowtie in velvet.

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 14:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_wear
interesting!

rrrobyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

xxpost

that was me before the idea of wearing a cardigan to a formal event drove me crazy. but yeah, the only times i've had BLACK TIE specified on the invitation was a couple of things for work or some schmancy charity events and those were not encouraging ppl to get creative. i'm def not familiar w/informal black tie. or less formal.

i dk where gr80 is but i got my tuxedo at a consingment shop in SF i can recommend places to look if u live there.

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

next time im in asia i will get us all dolphin tuxes custom tailored - send me yr measurements!

ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

gr80 is in hawaii!

tehresa, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think a lot of people think black tie is a lot more formal than it is, as well as the fact that there are many 'festive black tie' events which encourage variation, but regardless -- it's going to depend ENTIRELY on the individual event. if gr80 is going to dine at an ambassador's house or will be receiving a prestigious award, of COURSE he should wear a full proper tux. but if it's not so formal as that, chances are he'll be able to improvise something suitable out of stuff he already owns + a few new versatile garments.

-- elmo argonaut, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:51 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i agree and i also dislike the formality of black tie for men. even though i've been lucky enough to go to "festive black tie" events for the most part, even if it were a bit more stringent i'd be tempted to fuck the haters and experiment.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

"festive black tie" is a dire phrase

ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

even though i've been lucky enough to go to "festive black tie" events for the most part, even if it were a bit more stringent i'd be tempted to fuck the haters and experiment.

lab coat is the new cardigan?

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

well i think festive at a lot of places means "festive black tie"

it does where i work. you say festive, but half the crowd shows up like they're at the met. the other half fuck around a little.

lab coats otm

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

see, our gala was 'festive' which meant brightly colored dresses and suits, but no tuxes.

tehresa, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

though i reckon that has something to do w/ the diff btw B4M and B¢B¢

tehresa, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

leather jacket

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

surmounter just because it says 'festive black tie' doesnt mean that you can go around having sex with haters

max, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

lolll

yeah teh maybe you're right, maybe it's mostly suits. black tie doesn't have to mean tux does it?

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

to be a woman and slip into a black dress, oy

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Pre-Tied Bowties: Why Not Just Wear Sweatpants?

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

imo black tie usually means going around having sex with waiters. or catereres. hollinghurst otm.

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think it generally does.

what becomes difficult is interpreting festive for women! or even black tie. does this mean cocktail or gown? i once went to this law dinner that was black tie, but was told it was not really a gown event. so i showed up in a very nice, but definitely not super formal lbd, and all the women were wearing gowns. i felt silly.

tehresa, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

or festive: does this mean cocktail dress or a fancy sundress? surm, you don't know how easy men have it!

tehresa, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

brocade silk smoking jacket

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

good point, i never thought about the potential for confusion there. well when ppl call and ask me what festive means, i generally say cocktail. but there are always the women in gowns

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

black bath robe, samurai sword

ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

puffy ski vest

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

fwiw it looks like there are plenty of reasonably affordable tuxes on ebay

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

leotard, gold medal

ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

YES

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

black swimsuit, white beach towel

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

though to consider it for a moment, most of these ebay tuxes are probably formal rental inventory

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

diamond choker

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

FAKE DIAMOND

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

skin of downstairs neighbor, bow tie

ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

black leather harness, clerical collar

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

last feels more business casual tbh

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

sweatsuit, tap shoes, 'scream' mask

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

hello sydney!

Surmounter, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

accountants visor, lavender speedo

ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

beekeeper's suit, spats

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

dinner jacket is a good look

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 16:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

not always appropriate tho

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 16:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

tear-away track bottoms, arm in a cast

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 13:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

guys i've come a long way in 4 years but still i am wondering:

pre-tied adjustable bow ties: tacky or no?

because i have one i gotta tie myself, but the pre-tied ones look soooo much more neat+crisp.

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 14 September 2012 22:25 (six years ago) Permalink

it depend on if you are wearing it with a cardigan.

jed_, Monday, 17 September 2012 21:28 (six years ago) Permalink

i maintain my firm stance against pre-tied bows

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Monday, 17 September 2012 21:30 (six years ago) Permalink

fwiw i still don't think a cardigan is a capital black tie offense (in the absence of other options)

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Monday, 17 September 2012 21:33 (six years ago) Permalink

The less out-of-the-box-ness of a real tied tie is part of its appeal, grad.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 17 September 2012 21:37 (six years ago) Permalink

Not that you should slack on trying to be precise and stuff but just like of course it's not EXACT.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 17 September 2012 21:38 (six years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

I want to master Bayard Rustin's DGAF knot

http://i.imgur.com/wOAR5vM.jpg?1

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:34 (one year ago) Permalink

well that doesn't seem like it would be very hard

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:41 (one year ago) Permalink


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