ils thread for general menswear and men's clothing ish

also i really dug this new yorker piece on her: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/23/nobodys-looking-at-you

That was FASCINATING.

There is a warehouse in Secaucus where the men apparently are kept.

For real though I want to bookmark and come back many times to review the bits about distributed leadership etc. At first EF seems like this listless, pointless, weak figure who didn't do anything to deserve success--can't communicate, can't draw, can't sew, can't make decisions--but the picture gets clearer later on, and tbh all the female figures orbiting the story seem kind of awesome and like a community that one would want to just be enfolded by.

Eileen tried to say, but her reply was like a hermetic text by Judith Butler. She spoke of a “core concept team” and “the leadership forum” and “this kind of concept of facilitating leaders, which is that they’re actually doing the work, they’re not leading the work, but sort of like the way I’ve been leading from behind, in a way leading by, you know, letting the group find what’s coming up and facilitating that to happen.” Once again, she read my face and stopped herself: “You’re looking at me like I’m crazy.”

I admitted that I had no idea what she was talking about.

Old stepped in but was equally powerless to explain the inexplicable: “What we’re trying to do with this different kind of leadership is to have the leader facilitate the process, so you get the team or the craft team in the room together, to ideate together, to generate the ideas together, and then figure out who’s going to hold what, who’s going to move what forward, so it’s less of, it’s more about kind of again the holding the space for the team to find.”

This is kind of an ideal imo? It would probably make you crazy if you can't get away from the hard-driving "masculinized" ideal of a leader as someone who dictates or like the "exceptional man" model of the self-made millionaire or inventor who takes all the credit for their own success and doesn't need others except as subordinates or consumers. But it's so much more humane and inter-connected and kind.

I actually don't find the quoted descriptions particularly opaque tho maybe it's bc I work somewhat along a community organizing model where we want to be developing others as leaders instead of ourselves being hyper-visible leaders in a traditional sense. But it's interesting that the article's author found that language so impenetrable.

This is kind of an ideal imo? It would probably make you crazy if you can't get away from the hard-driving "masculinized" ideal of a leader as someone who dictates or like the "exceptional man" model of the self-made millionaire or inventor who takes all the credit for their own success and doesn't need others except as subordinates or consumers. But it's so much more humane and inter-connected and kind.

it is! and i also didn't find the descriptions that opaque either, though i work in a field that is around 80% female, almost all the best mentors and leaders i've seen in the institutions i've worked in have been women who fostered teams that "ideate together" and "hold the space for the team to find." lol! empowering the people you lead by stepping back and allowing them to own the work as a team. i work in an organization now in which the leadership is male-dominated and extremely hierarchical - the directors & associate directors just issue edicts and demands without any real appreciation for the labor that goes into making things happen, and it sucks.

anyway, i want earthy and neutral linens!

marcos remind me, which part of the country you living in? only tangentially related to the dress code here, just curious

cleveland

right on

btw I'm 100% on board with wanting men's clothing that fits that mold

Linen suits in neutral colors are actually dud. boring and yet tryhard at the same time. Like those suede wingtip oxfords with sneaker soles.

I’m definitely going back and finishing that EF story at some point though

boring and yet tryhard at the same time

my aesthetic

lol that's how I've always felt about Cos (sorry LG)

me

https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-BE977_ODBS41_16H_20180723181508.jpg

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-fleece-vest-became-the-new-corporate-uniform-1532442297

one thing i don't get is like, in what temperature range is this a good article of clothing?

lol a few years back when we were discussing patagonia fleeces itt i considered this look

one thing i don't get is like, in what temperature range is this a good article of clothing?

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:21 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in san francisco

I guess it's kind of a theoretically nicer version of wearing a light hoodie or track jacket over something in that you can wear it outdoors, partially unzip, or remove it when it's warmer

lol xp feel like i just saw something on twitter showing a uniqlo puffy vest vending machine in san francisco

yeah i saw that tweet too. they have the same machine at burbank airport (which is afaict used solely by bay area occasional commuters like me)

I just rolled my eyes but I'd probably use that vending machine after walking around and realizing I was very slightly uncomfortable

Linen suits in neutral colors are actually dud. boring and yet tryhard at the same time. Like those suede wingtip oxfords with sneaker soles.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:48 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a demented concatenation

Also what

thank god you’re here.

at least we got to all enjoy the phrase “demented concatenation”

Oxford shirts in blue are actually dud. boring and yet tryhard at the same time. Like those purple velvet waistcoasts with maroon leather trim.

it’s just two things I RMDE at on the train. Granted the linen suit is not as frequently spotted as the wingtips.

The thing with the neutral linen suit in DC is that there are a few guys around the neighborhood who really pull it off amazingly well, and everybody else looks like an uncomfortable poseur

uniqlo lightweight down >> patagonia fleece

Lots of fux0rs all over the west coast wearing the fleece vest

These days im sportin the khaks/chins but still too warm outside

Good thing its a little igloo at the office

Linen suits primarily come in neutral colors though. I have a navy one but that’s kinda rare? And I’m not sure how I feel about combining a conservative color with a non-conservative material.

Or is this more a complaint about cream/tan/olive suits etc regardless of material?

outler futureworks might be my new favorite pants

the slim dungarees are pretty good too

oo those look great, thanks for the tip

I'll probably die after I stand too close to a fire and the synthetic fabrics melt to my legs but they're comfortable, you can wipe spilled coffee right off em, and they look like normal pants with a nice cut

Yeah I have a few pairs of Slim Dungarees. My oldest pair I bought three years ago and they are still holding up very well. I wear them 2-3 days a week and wash gently about as often as I did jeans.

I couldn't read that WSJ piece but I hope it referenced: https://www.instagram.com/midtownuniform/?hl=en

ZOMG

that’s amazing. also note how many of those vests are *not fleece* lol

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Nope

I have to wear a coat and tie M-F for the next ten months

I guess I half appreciate the scam that is convincing tacky money launderers that it’s cool to spend $950 on a gaudy tie or whatever. There’s definitely a price point above which you’re probably buying increasingly ugly (or shiny?) clothing.

Xpost

el t that's awesome, and awesome that it's finite. an actual excuse to get some slick duds!

what is with these fuckos and the shitty blue-ish windowpane pattern blazers

What are you going to wear on your feet

Decided to forgo clothes altogether

https://i.imgur.com/zM7QMuN.jpgxp

recently found out that there are a shitload of younger dudes who are sneaker nerds after I, nerd with casual sneaker interest, bought something in that vein

like I have 20somethings saying "whoa got in on that drop" and I don't know how I feel