ils thread for general menswear and men's clothing ish

https://www.jcrew.com/p/mens_category/shirts/jcrewingoodcompany/fdmtl-boro-shirt/G2282

I’m in love. $299 is too steep for me though.

this is the one i want but same

https://finisterre.com/products/mens-bowmont-wool-jumper

That’s a beautiful sweater

for the inner qbert fan in all of us!

bought a very cheap windowpane jacket in the Zara sale yesterday. Some sort of polyester monstrosity but I like it. Not really sure what to combine it with - it's black with off-white and ochre lines. Quite like mustard/ochre colour schemes but they're really not popular. I was trying to find a T or a shirt that would suit but it's harder than expected.

Is it like a deconstructed blazer? You can pair that with anything. I am kinda minimal so i’d recommmend neutral colors and solids not patterns for the rest of the outfit if you want the ochre to pop.

not sure what a deconstructed blazer is. it's fairly casual

this is totally just based on a hunch but I always guessed that "deconstructed blazer" was just a marketing term invented to sell more cheaply-made blazers at a bigger markup, because I assume giving a blazer structure increases costs.

ochre is one of my favorite colors

ochre and mustard yellow have been basically unavoidable in high street shops for the past three years, i don't know what you're on about, dog latin

Deconstructed means that it doesn’t contain the more structural elements inside that usually shape a jacket: layers of canvas or fusing, padding on the shoulders, roping, lining generally. I.e it’s comprised mainly of the outer fabric only.

No real correlation to price either. It can be harder to make a flattering deconstructed jacket actually and sometimes involves more detail work if seems aren’t covered by a lining.

Ugh seams

Deconstruction is philosopher Jacques Derrida's critique of the relationship between blazers and meaning. Derrida's approach consists in conducting readings of blazers with an eye to what runs counter to the structural unity or intended sense of a particular blazer. The purpose is to expose that the object of fabric, and that which any blazer is founded upon, is irreducibly complex, unstable, or impossible. Throughout his readings, Derrida hoped to show deconstruction at work, i.e., the ways that this originary complexity—which by definition cannot ever be completely known—works its structuring and destructuring effects.

dog latin: in the UK a blazer is a blue jacket with metal buttons worn by a red faced UKIP voter, but everyone else on this thread means an unmatched suit jacket.

they have NAUTICAL buttons right? some day i want to wear a blazer with a white turtleneck, strangely NOT what captain haddock wears even though that's what i imagine in my mind's eye

you're thinking of captain birdseye iirc

xxp

i thought they wore red coats

does the uk use the term "sport coat"?

no

this is so nice: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-death-of-clothing/

i want to go back to when we just wore leaves around our privates

yes ime but confusingly we say "sports coat" xp

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-death-of-clothing/img/shirts.gif

poll

why stop there, givenchy tees go up to like $1200 iirc

probably because of people's attention span

shaking my head at the uniqlo inclusion not being the premium cotton pick

I'd kind of like to know if there was any decision-making process at all that went in to deciding which Givenchy tees sell for like $350 vs $450 Vs $750 vs $1000 or whatever, or if it's literally just darts at a board.

I've never seen a top man T at that price. not that i've been in for a decade but it's generally a wee bit more than H&M, no?

xp they're owned by a conglomerate so I'd suspect there's a specific price range each brand is given and clothing is priced within that band accordingly

dog latin: in the UK a blazer is a blue jacket with metal buttons worn by a red faced UKIP voter, but everyone else on this thread means an unmatched suit jacket.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, February 7, 2018 4:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe it's a regional thing but even in the shops they call a suit jacket sans trousers a blazer. Never heard the phrase 'unmatched suit jacket' uttered IRL outside of fashion blogs etc

to me a blazer is a more casual unmatched suit style jacket, like you see ppl straight up wearing a regular suit jacket with jeans and it looks fn bozo, tho i also recognize that the blue jacket with the metal buttons is the traditional definition

ppl need to be mindful when mixing garments of different casualness levels

sure the original meaning probably was like a bus conductors jacket. there's probably no greater difference in UK/US vernacular than in the fashion industry. I have to look up what people are talking about ITT and half the time I end up going 'ahhh so they mean x'

like there do exist blazers of a similar casualness level as jeans, and there are blazers of a casualness level of slacks, and there are suit jackets that come with matching pants which are generally tho not always very uncasual, im not saying you cant mix them but just be aware

this is a horrific look that has traumatized me

https://images.newrepublic.com/a06b981f27fa60338b3fc35de333dc21369cd8d3.jpeg

a fucken suit with jeans?????

obv rules can be broken successful but a tie w/ jeans is horrendous and i would never, ever do it

hey whats up

https://i.imgur.com/4ah4sjZ.png

tie w/jeans is fine with the right shirt/tie/jacket/sweater. the problem is no one knows understand how different fabrics, patterns, etc. affect the final look.

oxford buttondown, not white twill w/spread collar. wool or knit tie, not shiny silk tie. and so forth.

I don't think anyone's advocating an actual suit jacket with jeans here guys. although I think there was a time I would wear a skinny tie and jeans but that was over 10 years ago at least

xp yeah totally depends on the material and style. generally business attire and casual don't mix

sry i gotta come down on the side of tie with jeans is generally pretty bad, dressing up jeans is kinda just lame IMHO there are lots of kinds of pants, i know everyone wants to wear jeans 2 work and i sympathize but its still just trying to square a circle jeans r for being cool chill and for wiping your hands on and dont really need to be paired with a gingham shirt a northface fleece and some shoes, also a thing i hate while were at it is the tie without jacket shitty college age male look

also i know there is the rocker guy tie with jeans look too

Suit jacket or suit coat - has matching pants (and maybe vest). Generally more formal in cut, fabric, and usage than sportcoats/jackets/blazers.

Jacket or sportcoat - meant to be worn as a separate, with non-matchy but still coordinating pants. Generally less formal in cut, fabric and usage. One might see tweed and corduroy and even velvet in this category.

Blazer - subcategory of jacket/sportcoat, usually blue with gold buttons but not always.

Easy to mush these things up because all blazers are sportcoats but not all sportcoats are blazers, geez doodz, there can be some areas of ambiguity but most of the time it is not that hard to figure out what is meant

get some nice wool pants or cotton pants for the summer people will notice and think you are on to something

Jean jacket and tie
Feel like such a lie

i feel like maybe ppl just dont want to say sport coat cause it sounds super lame

just dawned on me that name prob originated when englishmen used to dress up in those brown suits to go hunting god bless