ils thread for general menswear and men's clothing ish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM

He wasn't disagreeing with you at all, quite the opposite, all he was doing was reinforcing your ahrument but giving another example.

― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, July 27, 2015 3:41 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im not like that passionate abt this argument and yet i cant let go lol, he was agreeing that its like that now but saying its always been like that, then just offered an example of it being like that now, and it was an example from a niche purveyor in a niche corner of the industry

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this has always been a thing, especially when $$ edgy fashions are always subsumed into the mainstream, accelerated by the quick uptake these days

― Upright Mammal (mh), Sunday, July 26, 2015 7:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

when of course my argument was that the gnostic aspect of fashion is particularly trending particularly trending now

and of course u cn say fashion has always had an in the know quality which im sure is true i mean it didnt have zero % in the know quality but my point was not that zero in the know quality existed before but rather that it is particularly dominatnt know

anyway the dismissive actually its always been that way is one of my least fav rhetorical moves can u tell lol no offense anyone

aren't you guys just talking about normcore again?

normcore is def an advanced aspect of the phenomenon

but its a lot wider than that too

is it more dominant than when every man wore a grey suit and a hat and the weight of your wool and the width of your lapel indicated whether you were in or out?

again i was talking abt the unwritten language of fashion fashion rather than the clothes every single person wears, and in fact what i was talking abt was the relationship between fashion and less rarified clothing, feel like you all could easily understand this if you chose

i mean im sure u cld make an argument abt the stylings of the court of king henry the 8th too but is that really what were talking abt, i guess it is now

i mean

one of the biggest trends in fashion over the last decade: standing out to those in the know, blending into everyone else

― lag∞n, Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:47 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

simmer down guys

i move to change the subject to: WALLETS

refuse to simmer, im gonna go ahead and escalate

where does the motivation to launch a actually its always been like that style argument come from, i think its just upon being asked to engage with and judge a perhaps subtle or relatively insignificant change to our endlessly complex constantly shifting world that we maybe hadnt considered before were just all "no too much this ends here"

oh boy i tried

and of course the pressure to be endlessly knowledgable is extremely high, what if u didnt know a thing abt loving style online lol

surm i changed from wallet to a v small leather cardholder last year - just credit card, debit card, and notes - was weird at first but now i don't know why i ever had a wallet full of stuff i never need.

xpost

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/355062884/the-heirloom-tee-by-lazlo

anybody want a $120 white tshirt?

is this one of those things where when u take out yr cash its all folded up and u have to stand there and unfold it xp

not really - it kind of unfolds as you open the cardholder - it's like a bifold cardholder so sorta like a very mini wallet.

link?

i think this is it - http://www.endclothing.co.uk/accessories/wallets/comme-des-garcons-sa6400-classic-wallet-vtw6379ba.html - i got it 30 per cent off...

yea Ryan has one of those, he loves it

i have this in darkest brown, with a flip out ID thing. i like it for now.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.Q%2fagEupRXp4BSpdlx1%2fcZA&pid=15.1&P=0

i am always on the lookout for a wallet that is slim but fully functional, a lot of the minimal wallets dont seem to appreciate how accessing ones cash is kinda key to the whole design

I like cabbie wallets.

feel like in the US you have to carry more shit. like, license/ID is a real thing here that you just don't need to carry around elsewhere.

they really need to depict these wallets with the stuff in them like that COMME DES GARCONS SA6400 CLASSIC WALLET doesnt seem wide enough to fit the cash without folding where does it go

xp also, heath ins cards, altho it is not clear to me if i actually need to carry these around, i just do what the sheeple herder tells me

couple credit/debit cards, licence, cash, subway pass

it only really squashes the edge of the cash, and even then only for bigger notes like euros - like your notes won't be like a fine bedsheet or whatever but when you open it up they're basically flat.

it seems p well designed to me, i've never thought "damn i can't put this note in quickly enough"

i agree generally though that bags/wallets never have enough pics. bags especially never have the pics that show you how much stuff you can actually fit in it. some of them don't even have a person holding the bag for scale. i know you can check the actual measurements but it's quite hard to visualise that.

i have one of these - https://www.all-ett.com

but but it looks like the billfold area is ~twice as long as the card pocket is tall, in this case they are arnged perpendicular w/l to each other where in most walltes they are paralell, and bills are more than twice as long as credit cards are tall

I have one of these and I love it... seems like it would fall apart right away but it's held up pretty well!

http://www.slimfoldwallet.com/collections/tyvek/products/thin-wallet-blue-white-micro

xpost ah it's a little longer than that, there's a bit space in the middle of the two card slots and there's room on the spine which kind of allows you to put the note in easily. the wallet is a little wider than the note i have in it at the moment, a 20 euro note. i guess dollars are kinda wide maybe... ¯\_(ツ)_/

i have a silver bill clip that i like too, but it's unwieldy

i am definitely part of the blind sheeple when it comes to carrying useless shit in my wallet, i'm embarrassed to even say the contents, like do i really need 5 credit cards plus "buy 10 juices get 1 free" stamp card from my local fresh juice place?

btw maybe i am being dense but i can't really tell what either lagoon or mh are arguing?

because i don't really know what either poster is saying i can't really take sides but at the same time lagoon i do have to say that "actually it's always been this way" is not 100% a bad rhetorical move and in some cases is pretty legitimate when someone else is saying "hey look at this new recent trend" when the "trend" in question is really just some slight variation on some relatively constant thing. again not sure whether mh's use of this rhetorical move is right here because i don't really know what the fuck either of you are saying

disagree examining things to a minute detail is best while holding the fundamental understanding that its all ultimately same shit different day

xpost ah it's a little longer than that, there's a bit space in the middle of the two card slots and there's room on the spine which kind of allows you to put the note in easily. the wallet is a little wider than the note i have in it at the moment, a 20 euro note. i guess dollars are kinda wide maybe... ¯\_(ツ)_/

― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Monday, July 27, 2015 10:12 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sry im gonna have to see a photo of yr wallet, steal yr identity, dollars r long tho def i think theyre as long as the longest euro

and pounds r extremely short no

I see what lagoon is getting at with fashion-not-fashion but the borders are so porous idk how useful a distinction it is, esp if you're trying to project this idea into the past where the boundaries of fashion were different (probably, I don't care)

anyway to the extent normcore is a calculated anti-fashion it is imo not that interesting but the ideas about blankness, flexibility etc. were more interesting to me tho both use this idea of blending in

the idea that normcore is calculated is a complicated one. it is, i suppose, on the part of designers. but "normcore" as it relates to the people (aka us) should be about not calculating; or, like, using a calculator, and wearing pleated pants with a plain shirt bc you're in IT. or wearing those clothes anyway bc you just like them.

i'm not sure about that at all. there seems to be a distinct difference between people who deliberately dress normcore and people who just wear whatever.

xp definitely!

its tricky bc normcore has taken off as a funny word more than a coherent idea and ppl use it to mean studious wearing of new balances or as a synonym for mnstrm or whatever

i think u cn be normcore w out like critiquing society or w/e but its still gonna he distinct from norm cause of attention to detail/secretly nice expensive clothes

also its just not gonna be the actual norm stuff thats popular now like pleats r very out in norm world

yeah exactly. it's largely 90s retro in disguise. a more subtle, ephemeral take on nostalgia with just the cut of some jeans etc...

noticed there's been a bit of a return to very baggy tops and trousers among the art-skool kids who share my walk to work, but it's not quite the same as 90s baggy, there's something a bit more structured about it. Seems popular with women just as much, possibly more at this stage, and there's a certain kind of loose but cropped jean/trouser cut which I think looks really good - certainly more than the patterned trouser craze which is just dreadful and the worst thing to happen to women's fashion in decades.

currently wearing my baggy xxl white and gray striped sailor tank

and sorry lagoon but pleats are very much on their way back in, norm or not, intentionally or not. they're just going to be back, that's all.

the retro use is the most wack, not sure when normcore as new-branding-ideal to sell to ppl was cribbed for those meme-level ends