Modern Rock #2 Hits, Pt. 5: The Nu Metal Years (2000–04)

Tool vs... Jimmy Eat World

this is not a vs I ever thought I would write

Voting Jimmy Eat World, though "Sweetness" isn't close to their best.

I would never have said so at the time, but No Doubt.

DJP otm (as much as I'm feelin' those lighters)

Biloxi!

http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-769566-1205506708.jpeg

did you know Hoobastank have an album called For(N)ever? I just learned that & thought u all should know.

Love "Sweetness", but I think I'll vote for one of the Incubus songs, which I both really dig. Heard "Stellar" the other day and only then realized that it samples the trippy intro from The Supremes' "Reflections" (which I also love), so that over "Wish You Were Here"

the best dashboard confessional song vs. "we, blink-182, were really inspired by the beach boys for the harmonies in this song" vs. sweetness

oh and wow, the only hoobastank song i like

great run of blink singles in this poll regardless

I was happy whenever "Schism" came on the radio that summer. Then I went and sold my Tool albums to buy Trout Mask Replica, which no longer seems like such an obviously worthwhile exchange. They've aged pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtBaCEZJfJA

whyyy

why do you always kick me when i'm

hiiiiigh

Fake plastic submarine

Wow, Blink really cemented themselves as the CCR of the modern rock chart in terms of frequently getting stuck at #2 (though they did hit number one, which CCR never did on the Hot 100)

Voted for "Feeling This" with "Stellar" and "Sweetness" very close behind. Despite the #1's being generally shitty during this period, I can mostly stand these. Surprised that Smashing Pumpkins could still sneak up #2 so many years after their peak.

Heard "Stellar" the other day and only then realized that it samples the trippy intro from The Supremes' "Reflections" (which I also love)

Never put that together before!

Yeah, was pretty stoked myself after making that connection!

dear God this is the dysentery of modern rock

I voted "Schism". Not because I love the song (it's mediocre "Tool" at best), but because I dislike all of the others.

The Offspring – "Original Prankster"

stop trying to make 'catch phrase' rawk a genre!

Fuck this era IMO.

"Original Prankster" one of the all-time worst to make this chart position, and god, "Outside" was an inescapable dirge. I'm sure I've complained elsewhere about "Loser" being strummed by dudes in dorm stairwells though at least it has the bones of a real song. Blink's contributions are all right, not their finest (and I have no use for "Adam's Song," and can't remember "Feeling This"). "Rock Show" probably the last time they swung close to the "Josie" glory days.

"Stand Inside Your Love" and "Ex-Girlfriend" are momentum/loyalty hits - they both pretty much disappeared I think except for people who loved Return of Saturn. I don't hate the Pumpkins track but it being in the same position as "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" (and higher than "Today," "Disarm," "Cherub Rock," "Zero" and "Tonight, Tonight") is laughable - the market had bottomed out and anything that even fit the radio format was going to end up a "hit" though not for long: the pathetic followup single did not chart, and No Doubt's attempts got to #94 and #79. Sadly, the Creed songs actually were as big as this list suggests, maybe bigger given that the album went platinum ten times over. Kinda surprised not to see Kid Rock here, on similar grounds.

Would kinda be inclined to toss SR-71 a vote for at least bringing some energy to the table, but they're the poor man's Sum 41 (amazed "In Too Deep" stalled at #10!), who are already the poor man's Blink to an extent. I think "Schism" is the only song here that's actually pretty cool so I'm voting that. A seven-minute #2 hit - now that's metal. If these other assholes had been putting out songs like that I might not have stopped listening to the radio in 2001.

re: Original Prankster I think I said my piece here WORST Single By Green Day or the Offspring

"Rock Show" probably the last time they swung close to the "Josie" glory days.

*indicates "man overboard"*

But... "The Rock Show" came out after "Man Overboard"? From a different album?

oh i thought you were just referring to the general quality of the singles represented here

Oh, no, very much their 'band narrative' I guess - sorry! I always liked "Man Overboard," felt like they were stretching their sound (just a little).

Is there a poll for songs about fired bandmates?

except for people who loved Return of Saturn

*raises hand*

same

+Simple Kind of Life
+Bathwater
+New (small cheat)

I've never listened to Tool a whole lot, but I've grown to respect them, I think. Mostly I just like that they call themselves Tool.

back when Mark from Blink 182 hosted a show on Fuse he interviewed RHCP and they talked about how the Chili Peppers blocked Blink from #1 on this chart several times and it was like this faux-feud running joke

voted no doubt though yeah that single was pure first single from big followup momentum getting it that high and it was chosen cuz it's the most 'here's a no doubt' single they had, plus they got to play w/ the band drama a little. love the other singles alot more though, esp 'simple kind of life', such tender banality and pathos. video was pretty great, gwen never looked better.

Had to represent Arizona and vote Jimmy Eat World. Saw them play a political rally a couple of years back; they were opening for Bill Clinton and Sweetness was the lead-off track.

Followed by a new song and closing with "The Middle," obviously.

"Hash Pipe"

The videos for the two Creed songs in this poll are great to watch for an easy laugh – Scott Stapp dodges CGI meteors in "With Arms Wide Open" and "My Sacrifice" pretty much speaks for itself, too many lol moments to take note of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-fyNgHdmLI

Apparently "the first video that Creed had complete creative control over" (says Wikipedia), and it really shows

That was pretty much one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.

Don't mind the song too much. Has a Kasmir thing going on right at the end of the bridge.

This was probably the last era I got any enjoyment out of modern rock radio.

No Doubt – "Ex-Girlfriend"
Weezer – "Hash Pipe"
Tool – "Schism"
Incubus – "Wish You Were Here"
Jimmy Eat World – "Sweetness"

These were all favorites at the time and I was still listening to the radio on purpose, even though there was a lot of Staind and Limp Biscuit mixed in.

"My Sacrifice" video is so totally amazing. Also one of those rare instances where the single from the 'beginning of the end' backlash period is really better than their peak era hits.

Voted for Wish You Were Here, btw. Despite the scratch fills that I knew were weak even back then, I love the guitar riff under the verses and the chorus is a monster.

I don't get No Doubt but "A Simple Kind of Life" is nice. Wish it were on this list.

Voted for -- god -- Weezer.

Weezer has several surprisingly good '00s singles imo but def not "Hash Pipe"

Photograph, Simple Pages, Keep Fishin' are my favorites from the (first?) Weezer comeback era.

If we're going to talk 'ridiculous Creed CGI videos' there really is only one, the big heavy single from the closest they have to a New Jersey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDP8p7mRcsI

Only thing preventing Weathered from being a true New Jersey is the fact that they broke up after the touring cycle and didn't record another album for 7 years.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Also nobody would remember even the biggest single even if prompted. Might actually be a Fairweather Johnson, I dunno.

i totally remember what "my sacrifice" and "one last breath" sound like, unfortunately

Oh yeah true, I kinda lumped that in with the previous record by mistake! To be fair, Human Clay singles campaign took a smooth handoff from My Own Prison lineup - basically just felt like one continuous three-year period of Creed being a gigantic rock band, and then just...going away.

Dear God, that "Bullets" video... imagine if the full-length Creed video game had actually seen the light of day.

Yeah, but it still sold 6.5 million, which is a pretty big number and more than half its predecessor. It's hard for me to classify it as a Fairweather Johnson, which sold less than 20% of what Cracked Rear View did.

@Doctor Casino that's why I've always liked the N.O.R.E. line about how he's going to "sell more records than Creed." It's such an effective timestamp on "Nothin.'"

Photograph, Simple Pages, Keep Fishin' are my favorites from the (first?) Weezer comeback era.

I enjoy a decent amount of Weezer's post-comeback output (still dig "Hash Pipe" and the Green Album singles), and some of the singles from Maladroit onwards are some of my personal favorites from their whole discography: "Island in the Sun", "Keep Fishin'", "Perfect Situation", "Dreamin'" and "(If You're Wondering If I Want You To) I Want You To" (which will turn up in the next #2s poll with the far inferior "Troublemaker")

Schism was the first song I learned to play on bass that I was proud of so it has some attachment for me - comparing it to the rest of Tool's output it is pretty weak though.
I'll probably vote for one of the Incubus cuts. I really enjoyed some of their early stuff when it came out but haven't thought to pick up their last couple albums.

I still wind up my best friend about him loving The Offspring as much as he did back then. Oh man, looking back so much of that stuff disappoints.

I'll probably vote for one of the Incubus cuts. I really enjoyed some of their early stuff when it came out but haven't thought to pick up their last couple albums.

i am literally the only person on earth who loves light grenades but yeah, that's a great record

'Stand Inside Your Love' is by miles the best thing on this list, so that.

voted for "the rock show," a song i can yell from memory, but i was sort of into that "boys of summer" cover as a concurrent teen

xgau on "schism"

Lateralus [Volcano, 2001]
What am I supposed to say about the latest in meaning-mongering for the fantasy fiction set? That they are not as good as King Crimson? That I do not like my Billy Cobham comp even less? That this is not progress? That I am not a virgin? All of the above. Plus I never liked Crimson much to begin with. C

what am i supposed to say about the latest black flag sticker on a cadillac

i am literally the only person on earth who loves light grenades but yeah, that's a great record

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:56 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Anna Molly" and "Dig" were great singles, if either comes up in any of these polls it's getting my vote. never listened to the album a lot but it seemed as good as any Incubus record.

I still wind up my best friend about him loving The Offspring as much as he did back then.

I'll bet this really hurts his self esteem

idk why some people got so exercised by the black flag lyric, it probably annoyed don henley and that's good enough for me

i think it's hilarious

"Anna Molly" and "Dig" were great singles, if either comes up in any of these polls it's getting my vote. never listened to the album a lot but it seemed as good as any Incubus record.

favorite incubus deep cut:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZws22lhe24

I was singing "Black Flag sticker" for years before that cover xp

don't know/have forgotten all these others

don't think I'm familiar with a single one of these songs

Me neither.

i am literally the only person on earth who loves light grenades but yeah, that's a great record

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:56 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Anna Molly" and "Dig" were great singles, if either comes up in any of these polls it's getting my vote. never listened to the album a lot but it seemed as good as any Incubus record.

Also, "Oil & Water" and "Diamonds & Coal." Incubus gets elemental.

Oh man Blink is going to get hurt so bad due to vote splitting
By the way the correct answer is ROCK SHOW as I determined from listening to all four of these entries back to back on Youtube

I think I would rank the five Blink #2s (including the one from previous poll) as:

1. What's my age again?
2. Feeling this
3. Adam's song
4. Man overboard
5. The rock show

"What's My Age Again?" > "Feeling This"/"The Rock Show" > "Man Overboard"/"Adam's Song"

Too difficult for me to give each song an individual ranking, and if one were to throw in "Stay Together for the Kids" with them that would be even tougher

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Oh well, at least it wasn't a Blink-182 track.

Expected "Sweetness" to win, but the turnout for "With Arms Wide Open" actually surprises me more than "Schism" getting the most votes.

it probably annoyed don henley and that's good enough for me

In related news:
Don Henley Claims 'Arrogant' Frank Ocean, Okkervil River Stole Songs

Really good showing, although I haven't heard that Pumpkins track.