The "bad guy" in the band: who are the other Mike Loves in music?

The keyboard player and bassist in Soul Coughing, if M Doughty is to believed.

Dolores Cranberry?

Phil Lesh

Phil Lesh

Peter Hook

Can a manager count? If so, Bernie Rhodes

In Springsteen's recent memoir he mentions that one of the E Street Band once came to him and asked for a raise, and Springsteen told him, "If you can find someone else in your position making more than you do, I'll pay you that much, but I'll save you the time because there isn't anyone." That struck me as indicative as this kind of behavior. (He doesn't say who it was, but I suspect his name rhymes with Shmary Shmallent.)

i.e. the guy asking for the raise was practicing "bad guy" behavior, not Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuce

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL84W9sV4AArG8T.jpg

he may be a notorious punisher, but Mustaine doesn't fit the criteria for a Mike Love in Metallica or Megadeth. in the former, he wasn't the taskmaster/businessman, and in the latter, he's the primary creative force.

i.e. the guy asking for the raise was practicing "bad guy" behavior, not Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuce

asking for a raise is bad guy behavior?

(also, i once tried to rent a manhattan apartment owned by a man whose name rhymes with shmary shmallent but he wanted way too much $$ for it. probably, i can now assume, because he hadn't gotten that raise.)

Peter Hook is a great one, if from an alternate universe where Brian Wilson had kept the band name. I think Stamos may actually be the drummer for Peter Hook & the Light.

Gene Simmons

Andrew Ridgley of Wham!

Andy Taylor in Duran Duran

Simmons been discussed upthread. Some talk about how Paul Stanley was actually the Mike Love of KISS.

Ralf Hütter in Kraftwerk, maybe? Not that Bartos and Flur were "geniuses" per the OP but they certainly got edged out of the band while Ralf busied himself with endless archival projects.

― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:57 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I disagree. Bartos had quite a fair bit of creative input, particularly on the last three albums he worked on.

If one posits core Mike Loveness as "takes over the band from its originating genius and subverts it to his or her own ends," then I can't agree with choices like Tina Weymouth.

Mould, Robertson, Byrne, Corgan, etc. may be dicks - but none yanked an existing band away from its original inspiring spirit.

Gilmour fits, but Gilmour is also awesome in ways that Mike Love can never be. Stevie too, perhaps, even if you love her inordinately (as I do).

Has there ever been a Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame speech as cantankerous as Mike Love's?

xp I encourage everyone to read this relatively short thread to avoid repeating stuff that was already covered in 2014. also just bc it's a great read, this thread rules. We've already gone through why Corgan, Mould, Byrne, Robertson, etc. don't qualify.

tony banks?

Yes!

"Oh shit, Gabriel is singing over my bit! Let's bury his vocal in the mix!"

gotta be the breadhead of the band with a name like banks amirite?

His solo project was called Bankstatement!

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That pic must have been taken during the filming of the Genesis documentary that came out a couple years back. Safe to say judging by body language, Tony Banks and Peter Gabriel do not exchange Christmas cards.

Man, all Banks did in that documentary was complain. It was like Noel Redding being bitter that people paid more attention to Hendrix than to him.

Yes, he came across a total dick in what was all most certainly the most boring rockumentary of all time.

Banks was talking shit about everyone while they were sitting there and they were looking at each other like "WTF" it's so great it's up there with Some Kind of Monster for me

love peter gabriel's look these days

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How about Dave Rowntree who played drums in Blur?

There’s a couple of videos and stories of him being obnoxious to everyone.

Here he is bullying my man Nardwuar:

https://youtu.be/AkNvk2MgiCc

jfc how much of a dick do you have to be to hate on nardwuar

Actually Nardwuar seems like a good litmus test to see which band members are cool and which ones are dicks.

first few times i saw Nardwuar he was so intensely positive that it seemed ironic. soon i realized he is just incredibly sincere and it made me love it all the more but i could see someone not knowing and walking into that and thinking he is pulling something over on you.

"The keyboard player and bassist in Soul Coughing, if M Doughty is to believed."

Mark Degli Antoni or Steinberg or both?

Antoni did a great solo album at some point which I think is arguably more interesting than anything SC or Doughty ever did.

"if M Doughty is to be believed" is the part where i'd start asking questions tbh

Well, he wrote this book much of which was devoted to detailing how generally awful all of his colleagues in SC treated him, the keys and bass guys came off worse.

How true it is of course possibly nobody can truthfully answer.

jfc how much of a dick do you have to be to hate on nardwuar

i don't understand the shtick and i think he's a fucking dick and can only imagine he's enjoyed by dicks and Blur still come off worse in that video

he just exists in a world of what the fuck is wrong with you people? to me and still comes off as a reasonable human being compared to Blur

jfc how much of a dick do you have to be to hate on nardwuar

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:17 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not that this excuses his behavior at all, but dude was up all night the night before doing so much blow & was coming down hard when Nard came in. again it is completely unacceptable to be anything but deferential to Nardwuar no matter the circumstances. at least Thurston & Lee atoned in 2002.

i don't understand the shtick and i think he's a fucking dick and can only imagine he's enjoyed by dicks

the second part of this statement is especially insane

Soul Coughing is an interesting example. Steinberg and De Gli Antoni both come off pretty poorly in the book, but the not-so-hidden subtext there is that all four of them were assholes. To some extent Doughty would be good candidate for this thread, if not for the fact that he never really got his way in the band. For all the complaining he does in the book, if you read it and then listen to his CD of Soul Coughing "covers" (idk if they count as covers if he wrote them in the first place) you could make an argument that Doughty would've single-handedly ruined the band and torpedoed their chance at commercial success if he had full reigns over the band. Not to mention the fact that he was (by his own admission) fucked up all the time, was often late to the studio, and half-assed pretty much everything as the band went on.

someone mentioned Spiral Stairs way upthread and there was no discussion but i think he has a lot of the qualities. maybe not all, but definitely a few.

SM is such a cock though

Dave Grohl in ways

Phill Judd

Matt Sharp

Bev Bevan

Brian Ritchie