Huh. I've known upper-crust hippies + punks and working-class hippies + punks. Sneering at "trustafarians" has always pissed me off, though. I don't think there's anything wrong with being middle-class, rich, whatever.
― That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link
there's something wrong with it when you're asking me for fucking change to buy a 40
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that it seems to be the knee-jerk dismissal in certain quarters, and it's very far from the truth in my (UK) experience.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't be the first to propose the term "upper-crusties"?
― bendy, Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd be amazed if you were the first. It's a wingnut standard that the working classes are docile cattle unless disturbed by decadent upper-class lefties.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^this is not true in the US. like, at all.
I really don't think it is in the UK either tbh - as it goes, when people run through their repertoire of 'lol alternative lifestyle people are all from wealthy backgrounds and can go home to their parents' houses when they get bored' I tend to assume they have nothing interesting to say BUT it didn't spring from nowhere and Soukesian is working with an unrepresentative sample I fear
― Vladislav Delap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
So, if it didn't spring from nowhere, where did it spring from? Are you saying there there is NO history of working class leftism in the uk? Just forelock tugging serfs?
― Soukesian, Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean the strawman didn't spring from nowhere, tsk
― Vladislav Delap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
The upper crusty stereotype does have some validity I think. I know back in Glasgow in the 80s I knew a whole bunch of crusty punks, some of whom were from upper middle class families or even upper class backgrounds. Others were from slums. But I think it says more about the pressure in the UK to "know your place" that this situation is accepted as self-evidently hypocritical. TBH their position was very much "it's not where you're from, it's where you're at", which is absolutely fine with me.
― everything, Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
(haha I've spent the last six hours listening to this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Score-Ten-Voice-People/dp/B002HRE0F0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1255044915&sr=1-1 so I'd've done well to forget British working class leftists)
― Vladislav Delap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost: Comes from nowhere? Seriously, do you really feel that individuals, yourself included, can have no awareness of their own oppression unless stirred up to revolt against their rightful rulers by bored, sadistic aristocrats? You must hate yourself an awful lot.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I went to school in UC Santa Cruz, which is a haven for this type of shit, and I can tell you I had PLENTY of fellow students who were from comfortable middle class backgrounds (parents paying tuition, etc.) who would travel to SF to sleep in the park and cop speed and whatnot. I know at least one of these people basically went crazy and became full-time homeless. Another one (my sophomore year roommate) died before turning 21. Others just became ravers/tweakers. Most annoying fucking people ever.
― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
I think yr misinterpreting DJ Mens, souk.
Anyway, I don't even have a problem with relatively well-off kids adopting hobo lifestyles. Kids are inherently pretentious, always looking for some way to be cool and a place to fit in. They often do some silly shit in sorting all that out, but as long as their hearts are in the right place, I'm basically okay with whatever. Plus I don't give spare change to crusty street kids on general principle.
― That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
No. This is not about Anarchism or Socialism as a passing phase. I know plenty of people, of all classes, who are in this for life. Don't confuse it for a six-month student pose. If you love UK punk, you must understand this, it is absolutely part of the story and applies to the early death/doom scene as well. Reading "Please Kill Me", what struck me was how scared (and incredulous) NY punks were by The Clash. Their kind of leftism was part of the scenery in the UK in the 70's, and they couldn't understand it at all.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 8 October 2009 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Agree with all that. But the existence of leftist lifers doesn't disprove the existence of those for whom is IS a passing phase. Lots of kids of all backgrounds go through a "radical" phase that they eventually outgrow. Rich kids do it, poor kids do it, and kids in the middle do it. Same is true of the lifers. They come from a variety of economic/social backgrounds.
― That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Friday, 9 October 2009 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmmm. I'm thinking about the folks who don't wash for years on end and get weird tattoos on their necks when they're high on mushrooms. It's not a passing phase. Even if they grow out of it it is something that's part of them wherever they go to next. It's often too intense to simply walk away from. I think that's what Soukesian is talking about too. It was a passing phase for me to hang out with them that's for sure, but then the Stretcheads couldn't keep performing for ever.
― everything, Friday, 9 October 2009 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I actually think the "lifers" are the majority, in the UK at least. And, actually, if your 'economic background" leaves you hungry or disadvantaged, I don't think it's a coincidence that you might be statistically more likely to think that there might be something wrong with that.
Hey, did I mention that I get free health care?
― Soukesian, Friday, 9 October 2009 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
"You can, but the process is longer, more painful, and infinitely more drawn out than it seems like it's going to be when you're 17."
i said, people went local and inward.
― scott seward, Friday, 9 October 2009 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
But we didn't give up.
― Soukesian, Friday, 9 October 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
i didn't say that either. people found other more productive ways to change things. if change is what they were truly after. and sometimes this simply meant a spiritual change. not giving up really. maybe giving in a little sometimes.
― scott seward, Friday, 9 October 2009 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Brit far-left dig in their heels more, for sure. It's reflexive, may be less considered, but a lot more joyous than the American far-left. At least in my limited experience.
― bendy, Friday, 9 October 2009 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2018/10/10/how-punk-rock-can-revitalize-human-resources
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
if it wasn't before, it is now
― Neil S, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
Dis-rupt!
― saddest kamancheh (bendy), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
Dressed in multicolored pants, combat boots and spiked leather bracelets, SAP’s Chief Human Resources Officer, Stefan Ries proudly strut onto the stage of the MGM Park Theater in Las Vegas to the strains of “Bring Me to Life” by Evanesence.Ries was here to pump up of thousands of HR professional in attendance for the annual SAP SuccessConnect event, but a more important mission statement soon emerged, emblazoned across his black tee shirt: “HR Punks.”“The heart of the human revolution is us,” said Ries. “The old days of HR are over. Today onward we need to revolutionize and the best people who can do this are HR punks.”
Ries was here to pump up of thousands of HR professional in attendance for the annual SAP SuccessConnect event, but a more important mission statement soon emerged, emblazoned across his black tee shirt: “HR Punks.”
“The heart of the human revolution is us,” said Ries. “The old days of HR are over. Today onward we need to revolutionize and the best people who can do this are HR punks.”
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5bbde1134bbe6f7684a6744d/960x0.jpg?fit=scale
― hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
imagine how excruciatingly embarrassing it would be to be one of this guy's children
oh god i'm so depressed
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
have you considered cheering yourself up by strapping on some spiked leather bracelets and strutting proudly to the strains of 'bring me to life' by evanesence?
― hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
imagine getting fired by some cunt in a clown costume
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
punke
― imago, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W8h4W6IBGc
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
"Glad to see you go go go go goodbye/ Glad to see you go go go go goodbye"
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
Struggling to think of a single figure from the punk era who wouldn't have been an HR nightmare. Strummer maybe.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
broke: punkwoke: steampunkbespoke: hrpunk
― hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
(xp) Glen Matlock obv.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
skrewdriver were good at following orders iirc
― hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
pogo in the boardroom!
(but only when your stocks go up)
― mark s, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link
Line Manager Sensible
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bad-Brains-1979-.jpg
true punk HR
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
"We're moving the HR Department, the general opinion among the management team is that the ground floor should be used for more front facing departments and the 1st floor for finance and upper management, do you or your team have any objections?"
"I Don't Wanna Go Down to the Basement"
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
how perry como can revitalize human resources.
― how's life, Thursday, 11 October 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
Strummer would go AWOL to Europe for weeks to hide from his boss, but at least he never stuck up for his subordinates when they were being bullied incessantly in the workplace
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
that is a hilarious forbes article
― niels, Friday, 12 October 2018 09:01 (five years ago) link
old punker fite - https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/03/johnny-rotten-and-marky-ramone-fight/
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 8 March 2019 04:28 (five years ago) link
Yes
― nathom, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:20 (five years ago) link
Legit beef or staged?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
what a surprise I'm on Team Everybody but John fucking Lydon
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:58 (five years ago) link
I don't think it was staged, Marky looked genuinely mad
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link
Assume Lydon just likes to insult people, especially turning it on whilst in Johnny Rotten character and, much like a Don Rickles audience, you’re expected to play along.
― Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link
Johnny Rotten really looks like a potato.
― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link