Green Day - Dookie Poll also C/D?

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Maybe the quintessential '90s US pop-punk album?
My grandparents, who lived in the States at the time, bought this for me at Christmas when I was about 14 and I was the envy of my friends. Must have played it to death. Seeing them do a live port of 'Welcome To Paradise' on TOTP was my first introduction to punk rock - it just felt so visceral and energetic compared to the mimed performances that took up the rest of the show. Within weeks I had dug my mum's guitar out the loft and was getting an older kid from up the road to teach me barre chords. Pretty much lived in my Dookie long-sleeve that year.

It might not have been anything terribly new on the surface but Dookie arguably opened up the floodgates for a million post-Nirvana punk bands and without it we'd maybe not have acts like Paramore making it big on EOY lists.

So let's poll and discuss...

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Longview 11
Welcome to Paradise 9
Basket Case 9
When I Come Around 7
She 5
Having a Blast 3
Burnout 2
Pulling Teeth 1
Sassafras Roots 0
Chump 0
Coming Clean 0
Emenius Sleepus 0
In the End 0
F.O.D. 0
All By Myself (Secret Track) 0


1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 09:40 (five years ago) link

I think maybe Basket Case for me - for better or worse, it feels like their definitive move from goofy three-chord pop-punk to "songwriting" with bridges and stuff. Great anxiety lyrics; great melody.

I saw them on this tour at the Palace in Hollywood, and though it was their show and their moment, I think Jawbox, who opened, absolutely blew them off the stage. Dischord sincerity always being very weird bedfellows with juvenile NorCal stonerisms, of course.

Walter Galt, Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:08 (five years ago) link

I played this album a ton, but I can't think of how ANY of the non-single songs go, weirdly.

Walter Galt, Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:12 (five years ago) link

Yeah really... All the singles have the title of the song featured prominently in the lyrics though.

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:13 (five years ago) link

Between "She" and "When I Come Around" I think.

bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:13 (five years ago) link

'Welcome To Paradise'.

For some reason I've always preferred the albums that immediately came before and after this (Kerplunk! and Insomniac).

Also, I also always felt that Green Day were the most British sounding of all the '90s pop-punk acts from the US... if it weren't for the lyrics, which let the cat out of the bag as to their geographical origins in places, I could comfortably think that Green Day were a British band.

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:37 (five years ago) link

I went for 'Welcome To Paradise' although I would be surprised if 'Longview' didn't walk. As I say WTP pretty much changed my life insofar as understanding hard rock music was concerned, and that opening riff is monumental in my mind.

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:52 (five years ago) link

Though I think this is at that fine line between "too many tracks" and "just the right running time," there's generally some strong stuff in the non-singles. "Burnout" is a great opener (I de-clare I don't care no more!), "Chump" has some cool/memorable lyrics (Magic man, egocentric plastic man), but the album's appeal is maybe summed up in "Coming Clean" - "I found out what it takes to be a man / now mom and dad will never understand / What's happening to me!" Some of those also get closer to the teenage tenderness, heart and hurt that you got on e.g. "2,000 Light Years Away" - feel like the singles, either through their overfamiliarity or their video imagery, get more tied up in self-confident distance, smarminess, cleverness, something something irony. That's also part of being a snotty punk but not one I need to really pull out the CD for. For all that, I'm tempted to vote "F.O.D." (I can't explain it cause I think you suck)... but really, it's "Welcome to Paradise."

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:53 (five years ago) link

Green Day were very obviously influenced by UK bands - the Kinks and the Who especially, although I reckon the singer's accent is still firmly US-routed.

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:54 (five years ago) link

Yeah really... All the singles have the title of the song featured prominently in the lyrics though.

Yeah, who can forget such immortal couplets as

Bite my long and close my view
Take me away to paradise

or

Do you have the time
To listen to me whine
About baskets and cases
All at once

keep calm and nahkchivan (how's life), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:55 (five years ago) link

haha amazingly my brain substituted in "lip" and "eyes" from context and i had to read that three times to see what you did there.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:57 (five years ago) link

oh alright, not all of them

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:58 (five years ago) link

;)

keep calm and nahkchivan (how's life), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:59 (five years ago) link

actch for a commercial rock band, GD were very good at coming up with song titles that didn't directly relate to the lyrics, which makes it very hard for me to recall which songs are which even if i've heard an album like Insomniac a load of times.

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 12:00 (five years ago) link

I'm havin' trouble tryin' to think
What Green Day song you're talkin' bout

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 April 2014 12:05 (five years ago) link

Green Day were very obviously influenced by UK bands - the Kinks and the Who especially, although I reckon the singer's accent is still firmly US-routed.

― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:54 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup. 'Warning' taking the riff from 'Picture Book', 'Walking Contradiction' taking the riff from 'Do It Again' etc.

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 17 April 2014 12:23 (five years ago) link

Longview is my favourite song about pounding off

paolo, Thursday, 17 April 2014 12:49 (five years ago) link

Classic if you were a teenager in the nineties

paolo, Thursday, 17 April 2014 12:50 (five years ago) link

"Having a Blast"

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 April 2014 14:04 (five years ago) link

"Pulling Teeth" really the only one on here I don't like

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 April 2014 14:04 (five years ago) link

The live version of Chump on the b-side to WTP sounds like it was recorded at a kids' birthday party

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 14:31 (five years ago) link

basket case, one of the all time great pop songs

ciderpress, Thursday, 17 April 2014 14:37 (five years ago) link

The Welcome To Paradise breakdown is so good.

Really hard to decide between all the singles on this.

IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Thursday, 17 April 2014 15:14 (five years ago) link

I played this album a ton, but I can't think of how ANY of the non-single songs go, weirdly.

― Walter Galt, Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:12 PM (4 hours ago)

I'm having this problem right now, too. I know it was a long time ago but I'm a bit weirded out by how few of these I can bring to mind. Ah fuck it, Kerplunk was better anyway.

emil.y, Thursday, 17 April 2014 15:42 (five years ago) link

Thinking about their discography as a whole, the success of "Good Riddance" on Nimrod really saved Insomniac from New Jersey status.

good and relaxing like akon dont matter (intheblanks), Thursday, 17 April 2014 15:52 (five years ago) link

Classic classic classic.... then again I was 11 and it was my first cassette tape. Still love this album and know every word.

"Basket Case" is the only one of the big singles that I don't like all that much any more - maybe because it points too much toward Green Day's bad stuff to come. "Welcome to Paradise" gets my vote.

skip, Thursday, 17 April 2014 15:55 (five years ago) link

I really loved this album cos i was in middle school when it came out. I think the day i found out about it, someone had a tape of it at school and they just gave it to me cos it wasn't there thing. I remember reading the lyrics while listening to it. I'm gonna have to re-listen (cos i haven't heard this in at LEAST 15 years) cos I didn't really have a clear favorite, it's such a consistently good album from start to finish. One of the first three songs has a really cool Who-like instrumental break in it I remember absolutely loving.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 April 2014 17:48 (five years ago) link

Hard to choose between "Longview" and "Basket Case", though I may very well give a vote to "In the End" (my first exposure to the album) if nobody else will.

Frontier Psychiatrist, Thursday, 17 April 2014 18:35 (five years ago) link

BURNOUT

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 17 April 2014 18:36 (five years ago) link

Insomniac is FAR superior

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 17 April 2014 18:36 (five years ago) link

voted "longview" without remembering that "basket case" was actually on here

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 17 April 2014 19:04 (five years ago) link

having a blast

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 17 April 2014 19:11 (five years ago) link

I have never heard this album, lol old. I have one of the singles on Lookout!

I do have respect for these guys, they seem fairly well-intentioned and they made Lookout a ton of money iirc

I will listen later & report back

sleeve, Thursday, 17 April 2014 19:22 (five years ago) link

'When masturbation's lost its fun, you're fucking nowhere'. As an awkward teenage boy I thought this line was super deep! Bless em. I revisited this a couple of years ago and it's really fun. For all its goofy stoner humour, there's a sweetness underlying it all. Perfect teenage music. My green vinyl copy of it was my pride and joy. For all that its a mainstream pop-punk record, next to horrid shiny stuff like Sum 41 and Blink 182 it sounds like Crass.

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Thursday, 17 April 2014 21:05 (five years ago) link

First band I loved. Teenage me used to smugly tell everyone that Kerplunk! was far superior: my initiation into the joys of challopsing. Insomniac was a let-down and I had lost all interest by the time the next one came out.

robocop ELF (seandalai), Friday, 18 April 2014 00:19 (five years ago) link

Insomniac is p great but weighed down heavily by "Brain Stew"

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 April 2014 00:22 (five years ago) link

whichever one goes "i walk a lonely road, the only road that i have ever known"

markers, Friday, 18 April 2014 00:26 (five years ago) link

Ick. I dont f/w green day American Idiot era :(. Tho that album is half good

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 April 2014 00:27 (five years ago) link

Thinking back I have no idea what's on Insomniac besides "Brain Stew" and I'm not sure I even listened to it more than a couple of times - and this in the days of playing new purchases over and over and over.

robocop ELF (seandalai), Friday, 18 April 2014 00:31 (five years ago) link

"Walking Contadiction", "Geek Stink Breath", "86"

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 April 2014 00:32 (five years ago) link

Brain Stew does weigh things down but that's kind of the point... love the transition to Jaded.

skip, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:17 (five years ago) link

whichever one goes "i walk a lonely road, the only road that i have ever known"

lol i distinctly remember hearing that one for the first time while driving home at night and wondering if they were serious because it was so awful

anyway, basket case

mookieproof, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:23 (five years ago) link

some of us who aren't miserable fucks find it a little easier to enjoy things than you do

markers, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:26 (five years ago) link

lol i distinctly remember hearing that one for the first time while driving home at night and wondering if they were serious because it was so awful

Sad but true

skip, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:26 (five years ago) link

Daaaaam markers!

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 April 2014 01:30 (five years ago) link

haha i totally thought markers was being ironic

should have known better : /

mookieproof, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:33 (five years ago) link

"American Idiot" the song is probably the most successful mainstream protest song of the Bush era and has aged well. It got people who didn't quite agree with the message to sing along, almost as if they knew they would agree with it later, which they did on Bush, Iraq, terrorism, gay rights, etc... "Holiday" is also still listenable.

The rest of the album not so much...

skip, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:33 (five years ago) link

thread now littered with broken dreams

mookieproof, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:35 (five years ago) link

Yea the title track is fantastic but the album is out of their wheelhouse imo

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 April 2014 01:36 (five years ago) link

like a bypass or service road or roundabout

of broken dreams

mookieproof, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:37 (five years ago) link

Then, for the remainder of the year, every time he saw me in the hallway he would say, "still listening to Dookie?" then crack himself up all over again.

haha

marcos, Friday, 18 April 2014 15:53 (five years ago) link

in high school i had a lot of friends who listened to nothing but hip-hop and they thought everything i listened to was hilarious

marcos, Friday, 18 April 2014 15:54 (five years ago) link

(never cared for green day past age 12 though)

marcos, Friday, 18 April 2014 15:54 (five years ago) link

yours or theirs?

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 18 April 2014 16:11 (five years ago) link

I had a friend who got not one, not two but three Green Day tattoos ...
pre-Dookie. Poor guy.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 April 2014 19:49 (five years ago) link

Listened to this this morning, it was great and nice and felt like comfort food! I think this album is front-packed, and I start to lose interest on side 2, though "Basket Case" and "She" are both really great. I remember my parents thinking "Do you have the time to listen to me whine?" was a hilarious opening line. I like "Are you feeling like a social tool without a use".

But "Longview" is just so perfectly teenage in so many ways. "My mother says to get a job, but she don't like the one she's got", etc. Plus the "I've got no motivation/Smoking my inspiration" middle-eight is really killer. All across this records there are Beatles-style middle eights in these songs that are sometimes better than the songs they are in!

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:55 (five years ago) link

I had a friend who got not one, not two but three Green Day tattoos ...
pre-Dookie. Poor guy.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, April 18, 2014 12:49 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

could be worse tbf, they are still semi-relevant

IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:22 (five years ago) link

yeah think of the guy who has 3 MxPx tattoos

Vinnie, Friday, 18 April 2014 20:35 (five years ago) link

exactly

IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:39 (five years ago) link

hey whatd mxpx ever do to you

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 18 April 2014 21:17 (five years ago) link

didn't stay semi-relevant, slowly went the way of the buffalo

IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Friday, 18 April 2014 21:19 (five years ago) link

dud. buncha poseurs. i don't care how played out that sounds.

brimstead, Friday, 18 April 2014 21:50 (five years ago) link

mxpx?

IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Friday, 18 April 2014 21:51 (five years ago) link

mxpx are soldiers of jesus iirc

brimstead, Friday, 18 April 2014 21:56 (five years ago) link

but no i was talking bout the green day. carry on

brimstead, Friday, 18 April 2014 21:56 (five years ago) link

I listened to this album so much when I was at school. It fit on one side of a C-90 - can't remember what was on the other side, maybe SFA? but yeah I will have to re-acquaint myself with some of the album tracks.
Voting WTP as it was the first time I heard GD and thought it was just amazing.

kinder, Friday, 18 April 2014 22:07 (five years ago) link

I'm sure this poll will reveal no shortage of unadventurous voters. Therefore I will vote non-single, which I would've done anyway.
It's just a matter of deciding which one, which might be kind of impossible...

Having a Blast vs Sassafras Roots vs Eminius Sleepus
Burnout and Chump are also really good.

"Pulling Teeth" really the only one on here I don't like
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:04 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I can appreciate this as I've only recently finally come around (lol) to enjoying this song after years of always skipping Track 6.

billstevejim, Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:21 (five years ago) link

Although if "J.A.R." were somehow able to be included, this would've been a very easy decision.

billstevejim, Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:22 (five years ago) link

it feels like their definitive move from goofy three-chord pop-punk to "songwriting" with bridges and stuff.

I dunno, I kinda hear some bridges n stuff on "39 Smooth."

billstevejim, Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:29 (five years ago) link

I don't even mind them branching out a bit (Nimrod's a fun album IMO), I just have no desire to hear Billy Jo singing ballads. Ick.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:31 (five years ago) link

Not to be confused with Greenery Day, the Japanese holiday.

robocop ELF (seandalai), Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:35 (five years ago) link

kinda glad Green Day didn't drop nowadays, shudder to think of a slew of people cutely titling their blogs "Do you have the time...to listen to me BLOG?"

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:36 (five years ago) link

one of my fav memories of Green Day growing up were all my friends arguing over whether Billy Jo was british or not.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:36 (five years ago) link

Thinking back I have no idea what's on Insomniac besides "Brain Stew" and I'm not sure I even listened to it more than a couple of times - and this in the days of playing new purchases over and over and over.

― robocop ELF (seandalai), Friday, April 18, 2014 12:31 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Walking Contadiction", "Geek Stink Breath", "86"

― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, April 18, 2014 12:32 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The long intro to 'Panic Song' is one of my favourite Green Day moments ever. It's just such a shame they couldn't come up with a better song for the rest of it.

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Saturday, 19 April 2014 20:54 (five years ago) link

one of my favorite moments was watching MTV air a live Green Day concert and Billy Joe going "this next song is dedicated to....uhhh....uhhmmm...YOU! (points at audience member). The guy over there making all that noise! This is called....CHUMP"

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 April 2014 23:10 (five years ago) link

kinda glad Green Day didn't drop nowadays, shudder to think of a slew of people cutely titling their blogs "Do you have the time...to listen to me BLOG?"

― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Saturday, April 19, 2014 1:36 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pretty sure i did this in 2003

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 28 April 2014 18:33 (five years ago) link

"panic song" rules! i always skip the intro (awesome tho) bc i love the second part so much! that descending chord progression under "the world is a sick machine breeding a mass of shit" is IMO their finest/peak moment, seriously

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 28 April 2014 19:29 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 00:01 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:01 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

"Having a Blast" is a dope song but those lyrics are so cringeworthy. but it's fun so who cares

Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2016 03:54 (three years ago) link

i can't tell what most of the words are. it's one of those songs where i sing along to the phonetics, and i've been singing it that way for so long that i don't care to learn the words for real.

billstevejim, Thursday, 28 April 2016 04:30 (three years ago) link

one of BJA and Kurt Cobain's strengths were coming up with these amazing phonetic hooks that you didnt need to know the words to enjoy. they were better that way. for 10 years i thought the last verse of all apologies was "choking on the ashes of a renerade." and god knows i didnt know the chorus to geek stink breath when i was singing it at 9 years old

flappy bird, Thursday, 28 April 2016 05:17 (three years ago) link

"Pay attention to the backstreets and the broken nose / Some call it socks, some call it niiiice"

TARANTINO! (dog latin), Thursday, 28 April 2016 09:00 (three years ago) link

my brother thought the lyric in "When I Come Around" was "sell doughnuts at my door"

Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2016 13:03 (three years ago) link

I had a friend when I was 15 who spouted all kinds of RONG info and I always believed it cos I was gullible and he told me that "Longview"'s radio version wasn't edited, that the band intended it to sound like that. so I thought Billy Jo was really saying "I'm sick of all the same old shh" and that he actually did that crazy squeak that obscured the word "fuckin" intentionally.

I felt so lied to when I went into Blockbuster Music and listened to the unedited thing.

Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 April 2016 13:07 (three years ago) link

Always preferred the non-sweary version of 'Creep' by Radiohead.

TARANTINO! (dog latin), Thursday, 28 April 2016 15:25 (three years ago) link

my brother thought the lyric in "When I Come Around" was "sell doughnuts at my door"

― Neanderthal, Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:03 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Haha, so did my friend Scott! The first time we heard it he was like, "Donuts on my door? What?"

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 April 2016 15:46 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Happy Birthday, Dookie!

alpine static, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:05 (six months ago) link

https://www.jimdunlop.com/images/jimdunlop/products/en_us/thumb/11025000001.MAIN.jpg

$200 worth of punk.

peace, man, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:10 (six months ago) link

Had never really looked at the album cover in full before.

https://jamesostafford.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/green-day-dookie-large.jpg

peace, man, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:12 (six months ago) link

just listened to Insomniac for the first time in forever ... it might be better?

alpine static, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:52 (six months ago) link

blew them off the stage

nice

j., Sunday, 3 February 2019 01:04 (six months ago) link

i had a big poster of the cover art on my bedroom wall, when i was 6 years old. loved the shit out of this album back then.

but, yeah, insomniac was better. had better singles too.

BringTheAuBonPain, Sunday, 3 February 2019 06:43 (six months ago) link

Insomniac IS better - it's more consistent, feels much more like an album than Dookie where the singles stick out and there's more variety, but nothing beats the pummeling 33 minute screed of Insomniac.

flappy bird, Sunday, 3 February 2019 06:58 (six months ago) link

Serena Williams being a Green Day stan has always been one of the most endearing things about her

25 years ago my life changed... for the better. Thanks @GreenDay @billiejoe @trecool @MikeDirnt pic.twitter.com/3ATEc4J4tJ

— Serena Williams (@serenawilliams) February 2, 2019

Roz, Sunday, 3 February 2019 07:34 (six months ago) link

39 Smooth is the actual best.

billstevejim, Sunday, 3 February 2019 08:02 (six months ago) link

I prefer Insomniac to Dookie, too. The intro to 'Panic Song' still gets the blood pumping!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 16:30 (six months ago) link

the world is a sick machine breeding a mass of shit

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 17:17 (six months ago) link

Insomniac doesn't have the classic singles of Dookie but I agree it's a better listen from start to finish.

skip, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 02:05 (six months ago) link


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