Babymetal J-pop or Metal?

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Lots of discussion on the rolling metal thread but even though it's really not my thing at all I do think it deserves a thread of it's own. Emil.y has been playing this group in for over a year and now there is a Guardian article and I think wider ilm might dig it.

what do you think?

Scooby Doom (۩), Sunday, 16 March 2014 16:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Both I guess / the album varies quite a lot in style, I prefer when the vocalist gets to do real big vocals and that's when they sound the most metal.

Stuff like Gimme Choco is more metal part + separate jpop chorus. It's all good fun though, enjoyed most all their singles .

abcfsk, Sunday, 16 March 2014 16:57 (four years ago) Permalink

For singles I'd go with Headbanger and 'No More Bullying' ("Ijime, Dame, Zettai") as faves.

abcfsk, Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:01 (four years ago) Permalink

I think the more an interesting question re: babymetal is something about how metal is seen as a desirable tag now - like there's a sense, on the part of bands/labels/publicists that metal's a good thing to be, especially if you can get people to talk about "is it or isn't it"

metal dudes abuse the term "trendy" until it has no meaning (guilty as charged) but it does feel like this is actual trendiness: to cop just enough metal signifiers (clothes/set design/makeup, death-growl inserts, buzzy distortion) to get that v. desirable "is it metal?" question asked

(or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 17 March 2014 03:46 (four years ago) Permalink

in all honestly, I'm not convinced the group's origin goes that deep. this is an idol group and most of them are marketed around one gimmick or another. there are akihabara iols, flight attendant idols, fishing idols, etc., etc.

as for what made their gimmick desirable, why their gimmick resonates, why it's getting national attention -- that's more interesting, sure

original bgm, Monday, 17 March 2014 04:45 (four years ago) Permalink

There has always been a metal, or at least hard-rock element in J-Pop, I think. Marty Friedman used to be Aikawa Nanase's tour guitarist.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 17 March 2014 07:12 (four years ago) Permalink


and I meant international attention, oops

original bgm, Monday, 17 March 2014 12:25 (four years ago) Permalink

I dunno if this is an "Is it metal?" thing so much as a "Look at the CRAZY juxtaposition" thing. I think with Deafheaven, what was hurting people's brains was that they occupied an ambiguous middle ground between shoegaze, post-rock, and black metal, genres that shade into each other pretty evenly/homogeneously, and people were trying to resolve the ambiguity. Here the mixture feels a lot more contrastive/heterogeneous, so there isn't that ambiguity to be resolved.

jmm, Monday, 17 March 2014 12:46 (four years ago) Permalink

When I was in high school, I wanted to direct a video for "The Days of Swine and Roses" that choreography-wise would be indistinguishable from "U Can't Touch This" so I've basically been living for these types of juxtapositions since forever.

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

ever since i saw the skeleton suits, i was wondering re a connection to mad capsule markets.

mark e, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 10:18 (four years ago) Permalink

it's kinda standard playstation-metal, isn't it?

massaman gai, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 10:30 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

They're doing the main stage at Sonisphere UK!/image/2666563952.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/2666563952.jpg

abcfsk, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

Sonisphere has an absolutely sick lineup this year, though I'm not sure I could hack a multi-day metal fest.

Back on point, I've had the chorus of Gimme Chocolate stuck in my head for about a month now.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 18:08 (four years ago) Permalink

gimme choco is a legit classic nd

missingNO, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 19:17 (four years ago) Permalink

There is a London gig booked at the same time

MaresNest, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 22:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Too busy a summer to be able to afford to go sadly. Damn :-c

Slight damage to cover on top corner (chewed by a kitten) (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 22:57 (four years ago) Permalink

abcfsk, Thursday, 8 May 2014 06:59 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Everything about this is amazing


Time for an art history lesson! The whole composition for this is obviously based on David’s painting, Coronation of Emperor Napoleon I and Coronation of the Empress Josephine in Notre-Dame de Paris, December 2, 1804.

But as BABY METAL has been know to do, they have changed the painting in order to match their own personal iconography. So, the kneeling figure of Josephine is replaced by Su-Metal, while Moa-Metal and Yui-Metal are placed behind her, dressed in their usual costumes. Napoleon, who in David’s version is holding the crown, is replaced by a man with a skeleton faced man with horns, whole the Pope who sits in the throne and continues to give the sign of blessing appears to be headless(?) and wearing a neck brace, which along with the opened box, is a reference to their “Headbangeeeeerrrrr!!!!! ” PV. To the left of figure holding the crown is a Cardinal who has the skeleton face that BABYMETAL’s backing band often sports and directly behind the throne are their three coffins, a nod to the cover of their first album. album cover. Then there are the foxes, which are a big part of the BABYMETAL’s iconography. At the feet of the headless Pope are two fox skeletons, while closer to the members of BABYMETAL is a nine tailed fox. And then of course, many people in the crowd, including Su-Metal are doing the trademark Kitsune hand pose.

Roz, Monday, 23 June 2014 16:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Well they just owned the Sonisphere stage in front of 60k people. Unprecedented stuff for an Asian pop act, I'm still shell-shocked by how fast they've gone from youtube intrigue to genuine headliner status

abcfsk, Sunday, 6 July 2014 09:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Pro footage from The Forum

abcfsk, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 08:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Video games ruin everything.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 09:16 (four years ago) Permalink

what does that mean

abcfsk, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:50 (four years ago) Permalink

so, you liked it then !



mark e, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:15 (four years ago) Permalink

After all, unless I'm mistaken, that's what metal is about - driving around in a Camaro, hitting the 7-11, getting stoned, drinking brews, throwing the horns.

you are mistaken.

Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 10 July 2014 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Why still import only? You'd think record companies would know how to capitalize on virality.

jmm, Saturday, 11 October 2014 03:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Container ships are so 2002.

glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 11 October 2014 04:16 (three years ago) Permalink


salthigh, Saturday, 11 October 2014 04:19 (three years ago) Permalink

when i first saw these bunch of kooks i thought to myself "japan, i love you but you're so crazy!"

fuhgeddaboudit! (missingNO), Saturday, 11 October 2014 04:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Babymetal baby or metal?

clouds, Saturday, 11 October 2014 04:37 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

New favorite band.

Jeff, Saturday, 28 March 2015 13:57 (three years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
two weeks pass...

abcfsk, Friday, 18 March 2016 05:41 (two years ago) Permalink

Cool costumes, but the song is kind of boring. Awadama Fever is much better:

jmm, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Hmm, no, I prefer it when the genre mix is there, I feel like her vocals work best in that setting too - Awadama Fever just sounds like j-pop.

abcfsk, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:40 (two years ago) Permalink

abcfsk, Saturday, 26 March 2016 23:10 (two years ago) Permalink

This album is v good and

enters the UK albums chart at #7 this week.

Now answer me this: Has a Japanese language album ever been in the UK top 10? UK top 100? This must be an historic feat.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 08:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Hmm good question, have been searching through and none of the obvious ones I can think of had a charting album (YMO, Godiego etc). Closest I can find is the Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence OST by Ryuichi Sakamoto which got to no.36 in 1983, but I'd assume that's all instrumental?

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 08:19 (two years ago) Permalink

That's the midweek update rather than the chart proper. I suspect it will drop a bit, though that agree with the likelihood that it will still be a historic feat!

Iain Mew (if), Tuesday, 5 April 2016 09:13 (two years ago) Permalink

True, I'm not used to the concept of midweek charts

abcfsk, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 12:09 (two years ago) Permalink

ulysses, Thursday, 7 April 2016 07:36 (two years ago) Permalink

Okay the official weekly UK chart is in and the company gives us some official context:

"The all-female group’s latest album Metal Resistance debuts at Number 15, making them the highest-charting Japanese band in Official Albums Chart history.

In its near 60-year history, entries from Japanese acts on the albums chart are far and few between. The last was 41 years ago, when Electronic producer Tomita reached Number 17 with Snowflakes Are Dancing in 1975. "

More importantly (?):

Babymetal's chart feat isn't the only record the band have set this week. Following their Wembley Arena gig last weekend, they broke the record for the highest sales of merchandise for a one-day event in the history of the venue.

abcfsk, Friday, 8 April 2016 20:22 (two years ago) Permalink

Tales of the Destinies is ridiculously OTT (and great for that reason).

Jeff W, Friday, 8 April 2016 20:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Touch of Dimmu Borgir at their most operatic in Tales of the Destinies

abcfsk, Friday, 8 April 2016 20:42 (two years ago) Permalink

#7 on the weekly chart in Australia

#7: Babymetal ‘Metal Resistance’ – The ARIA Charts debut for Japanese J-pop/metal band Babymetal. It’s their second album, following on from 2014’s self-titled debut. They become the first Japanese act to ever chart in the top 50 in their own right. Yoko Ono peaked at #4 in February 1984 with the album Milk & Honey, a collaboration with John Lennon.

abcfsk, Sunday, 10 April 2016 18:57 (two years ago) Permalink

The album ended up at #38 on this week's Billboard 200, #7 on Digital Albums

abcfsk, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 10:05 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't care about how stuff charted usually but it is p. cool that a Japanese band has broken through so even though I don't give a shit about their music go get 'em Babymetal this is a pretty awesome thing. If ppl are at all curious about Japanese metal at a more trad/underground level there are many kick-ass Japanese metal bands over the years, personal recommendations are Genocide (Mercyful Fate-ish speed metal from the 80s), Sigh, Darkcell and their label 13 Grave Society who've got a bandcamp with all their stuff up, and of course the mighty, incredible Arkha Sva.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Sigh are terrific. They meld together lots of genres. Their avant garde leanings may be of interest to ilxors.
Corrupted and (older) Boris remain the best metal in japan I think.

Odysseus, Tuesday, 12 April 2016 14:11 (two years ago) Permalink

second (third) the sigh rec to fans of progressive genre mashing and excess liberated from taste

Keks + Nuss (contenderizer), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 14:45 (two years ago) Permalink

Where is the LOVE for Loudness?

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Tuesday, 12 April 2016 14:53 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...


Roz, Monday, 9 May 2016 02:40 (two years ago) Permalink

Only thing left now is meeting Varg

abcfsk, Monday, 9 May 2016 04:51 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Meeting Abbath. These photos of Babymetal meeting metal gods are the best.

jmm, Monday, 6 June 2016 23:28 (two years ago) Permalink

babymetal is good to jog to

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 01:55 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i'm part of the problem for liking that aren't i

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 13 August 2017 02:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

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