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Hi Friend,

There's an awfully good chance you heard about a revolution we're working on. Something that will significantly improve the way you get to hear and feel your favorite music.

Shocking you say? That perhaps the promise of "Perfect Sound Forever" propagated by the inventors of the Compact Disc was a bust? And that "CD Quality" promoted by the likes of iTunes and the creators of the MP3 was only an inkling of the flawed format they were hoping to emulate?

We're here to say it's incredibly true! Miraculously, there's a wealth of music & soul (or if you must, "data") trapped on millions of recordings made over the last half century, that we're hoping to unleash for the very first time.

Can you imagine? Your own personal time machine, to take you back to the place and time of the original musical event, and let you feel music in ways you've only felt seeing it live? We here at Pono are listening to it now and assure you, IT'S AMAZING!!!!

We ask dear music lover that you root for Pono bringing this very real technology to the world. We're still toiling away on making this happen (yes, there are record labels, artists, publishers and more to finalize with), but we wanted to share our excitement with you.

In the meantime, please follow us on Facebook or Twitter for updates.

Rescuing an art form,

The Pono Team

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pono+player&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=q_IeU9DNF-rF7AaNrYDYDg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=901

What with their pin-sharp copywriting and endorsement from none other than Neil Young, I'm sure this is destined to succeed.

wank-bond-villain-looking villain, (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:31 (six years ago) link

There was a little bit of chat about this yesterday on the Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil thread.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:41 (six years ago) link

I don't esp enjoy live music so

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:37 (six years ago) link

What is the difference between this and listening to a wav file on your iPod?

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:43 (six years ago) link

there's a bulge in your pocket. from the PONO, that is.

Lee626, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:53 (six years ago) link

bone-o amirite

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:55 (six years ago) link

can you listen to wavs on your ipod?

I listen to FLACs on my Android. It's fine.

wank-bond-villain-looking villain, (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:00 (six years ago) link

You can listen to .WAVs on Apple devices, but they take up alot of room; FLACs which are smaller but equally good sounding aren't supported; instead Apple's proprietary Apple Lossless serves a similar function.

Lee626, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:02 (six years ago) link

I still don't know who they think they're aiming this at. Casual listeners aren't gonna shell out $400 to listen to Pono on the subway, and serious audiophiles already listen to the many high-resolution digital options out there (SACD, HDTracks, etc.).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:58 (six years ago) link

Their promo shots of the device show untagged artists on the screen. They're not doing a good job.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:16 (six years ago) link

This was already discussed here:

Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

Tuomas, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:18 (six years ago) link

So this only played Dire Straits and Bob Dylan?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:18 (six years ago) link

Whoops, and I see Eyeball Kicks already mentioned that.

(xpost)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:18 (six years ago) link

Neil Young is involved in this, it's aimed at his fans.

March 10, 2014 - (Burbank, CA.) - PonoMusic is a revolutionary movement conceived and founded by Neil Young. Our mission is to bring the highest-quality digital music to discerning, passionate consumers, who wish to experience music the way the artists intended, with emotion, detail and power intact. "It's about the music, real music. We want to move digital music into the 21st century and PonoMusic does exactly that. We couldn't be more excited about bringing PonoMusic to the market," said Neil Young, founder and chairman of PonoMusic.

PonoMusic and Ayre have collaborated their ideas to achieve their goal -- to make the power and majesty of music available to everybody. "We are absolutely thrilled to be a part of this project. We will always be grateful to Neil Young for changing the landscape of recorded music," said Charlie Hansen, CEO of Ayre Acoustics (www.ayre.com).

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:19 (six years ago) link

there's pretty much no way Neil Young has very good ears is the thing, he has been playing music real loud for decades

(or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:35 (six years ago) link

this thing would have a much better chance of succeeding if it didn't have such a stupid name

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:37 (six years ago) link

i don't want to go back to having to carry both a phone and a player in my pocket at the same time. especially if it looks a bit like a car battery

wank-bond-villain-looking villain, (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:39 (six years ago) link

In Shakey he admitted to having sustained permanent hearing damage in 1991.

xxp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:42 (six years ago) link

Poned!

wank-bond-villain-looking villain, (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:42 (six years ago) link

Hey, does anybody remember CODE, the audio standard T-Bone Burnett (and iirc Neil) were pushing 5-6 years ago? Also: how weird is it that it's not Daft Punk/James Murphy types, but old dudes basically committed solely to recording 4-5 guys sawing it out live in a room that are pushing for new standards.

Interior. Ibiza Bar (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:59 (six years ago) link

would make more sense if he was trying to market a portable player with "the warmth of vinyl" or something

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:07 (six years ago) link

We'll all be harking back to the 'cold clinicality' of 128kbps MP3 in a few years.

wank-bond-villain-looking villain, (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:10 (six years ago) link

128kpbs MP3s are the lathe-cut 10"s of the future

μ thant (seandalai), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:13 (six years ago) link

artisanally compressed ringtones

μ thant (seandalai), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:13 (six years ago) link

I only listen to the original master tape in the mastering studio with the mastering engineer while the final master is being cut. Any other listening experience is fundamentally insulting to the very idea of sound itself.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:17 (six years ago) link

there's pretty much no way Neil Young has very good ears is the thing, he has been playing music real loud for decades

The killer app aspect of the PONO player will no doubt be a volume dial that goes up to 20. You know, to make it louder.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:17 (six years ago) link

For enough money, maybe you can convince Neil Young to come to your house and listen to your music for you, and better than you, too.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:18 (six years ago) link

i keep on thinking this thread is about POCO

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:20 (six years ago) link

POCO ON PONO

Interior. Ibiza Bar (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:22 (six years ago) link

a man can dream

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:23 (six years ago) link

BONO, ENO, AND YOKO ONO DO GOING LOCO DOWN IN ACAPULCO ON PONO

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:17 (six years ago) link

i think ppl might be a little harsh on this, from the comments in the original computeraudiophile article:

Anyone know of another portable music player with the same features for $399? I don't think the Astel and Kern has these features and it's more money?

Quote Originally Posted by The Computer Audiophile View Post
More info about Ayre's contribution to the PonoPlayer.

1) Ayre's custom designed and implemented digital filter. It is minimum phase, with no unnatural (digital sounding) pre-ringing. All sounds made always have reflections and/or echoes after the initial sound. There is no sound in nature that has any echo or reflection before the sound, which is what conventional linear-phase digital filters do. This is one reason that digital sound has a reputation for sounding "unnatural".

2) All circuitry is zero-feedback. Feedback can only correct an error after it has occurred, which means that it can never correct for all errors. By using proprietary ultra linear circuitry with wide bandwidth and low output impedance, there is no need for unnatural sounding feedback.

3) The DAC chip used is the ESS ES9018, widely recognized in the audio and engineering community as the best sounding DAC chip available today.

4) The output buffer used to drive the headphones is fully discrete so that all individual parameters and circuit values and parts quality can be fully optimized for the absolute finest sound quality. The output impedance is very low so that the Pono Player will deliver perfectly flat frequency response to any headphone made.

so basically it's a really nice digital music player with high quality components at apparently a lower price than competitive players....

i know ILX kind of hates the idea that anything can sound better than anything else, but i've recently invested in a very relatively cheap DAC for my computer/headphones and it's fucking really great in comparison to plugging into the mac headphone jack

gimme the lute (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:40 (six years ago) link

I only listen to the original master tape in the mastering studio with the mastering engineer while the final master is being cut. Any other listening experience is fundamentally insulting to the very idea of sound itself.

the thing is, you're joking, but if you listen to the mastered final edits of a record from the tape in a mastering studio, you know for a fact that everything else is not as good & that you're hearing what you're trying to make the one and only time it's going to sound as good as it should

(or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:42 (six years ago) link

also please spill which DAC did you get for your laptop? if the 30 dollar one is a viable option I'm gettin' it

(or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:43 (six years ago) link

i got this one (129)
http://www.amazon.com/Nuforce-ICON-UDAC2-BLACK-Headphone-Amplifier-USB/dp/B003Y5FRNS

but now that they've dropped the price and also apparently improved it i'd probably get the Dragonfly if i had it to do over....it's been great but i've had a few overheating issues which kind of annoys me

http://www.amazon.com/AUDIOQUEST-DRAGONFLY-V1-2-USB-DAC/dp/B00H00VLZQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1394556451&sr=1-1&keywords=dragonfly+dac

or the old model is now 99

http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-DragonFly-Digital-Converter-Version/dp/B00882U782/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1394556462&sr=1-2&keywords=dragonfly+dac

did quite a bit of research and these kept coming up

gimme the lute (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:48 (six years ago) link

I got a Fiio E17 headphone amp just before Xmas and, yeah, it's definitely better than plugging into the headphone jack.

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:50 (six years ago) link

yeah that was another on my list, you like it alot?

gimme the lute (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:53 (six years ago) link

xxp thanks UMS, those look very interesting

sleeve, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:53 (six years ago) link

Sorry for the silly question, but what's a DAC for and why is it good and should I invest in one?

wank-bond-villain-looking villain, (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 16:55 (six years ago) link

NuForce uDAC2 rec warmly seconded

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:04 (six years ago) link

Xxxp Yeah, I think it's great. It's not a revelatory difference in sound quality but it's definitely an improvement. Different enough to encourage me to get a new set of headphones a short while later (AKG K550) and together music sounds better than it ever has on my laptop.

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:06 (six years ago) link

the thing is, you're joking, but if you listen to the mastered final edits of a record from the tape in a mastering studio, you know for a fact that everything else is not as good & that you're hearing what you're trying to make the one and only time it's going to sound as good as it should

― (or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:42 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was joking, sure, and I've been on a few mastering sessions, so I definitely know what you mean. But the language used for things like Pono and other Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil can sometimes come across as accusatory and borderline insulting, like, "You like CDs?! You don't even know what music is, idiot!"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:07 (six years ago) link

Pono makes no sense at the math level

https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

love that quote in the footnotes: "The Sampling Theorem hasn't been invented to explain how digital audio works, it's the other way around. Digital Audio was invented from the theorem, if you don't believe the theorem then you can't believe in digital audio either!"

onlydarkness.com, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:13 (six years ago) link

the thing that sucks about the audiophile industry and that rhetoric is that it's created this impression that it's all this crazy, ridiculous multi-thousand dollar thing that's not attainable for regular folks when the reality is the opposite! we're in a golden age of affordable great sound equipment....

for a few hundred you could get some great self-powered speakers by a quality manufacturer and an entry level DAC that would knock your socks off! heck for, around 1000 or 1200 you could outfit a great turntable, amp, and speakers! it's really never been easier or cheaper than it is right now and the difference might surprise you...

hell, i'm listening to $30 Monoprice headphones right now at work that would destroy expensive ones from the 80s or 90s...it's insane!

gimme the lute (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:15 (six years ago) link

for the price of one of those sets of shithole Beats by Dr. Dre headphones you could have the first-gen Dragonfly DAC or nuForce DAC AND these Monoprice headphones and everything would sound so much better

gimme the lute (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:19 (six years ago) link

otm

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:24 (six years ago) link

I bought one of those new NAD D3020, which has a built-in DAC as well as digital-friendly connections (the combo being relatively rare for an amp), suiting my setup, and man, it sounds great.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:01 (six years ago) link

he said NAD

Scooby Doom (۩), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:08 (six years ago) link

If I had two of them ...

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:14 (six years ago) link

Two NADs and a PONO.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:14 (six years ago) link

the xiph thing is just viral internet crap.

xiph.org invented the FLAC file format.

gaz coombes? yo he don't got NUTHIN ta prove! (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2016 16:07 (four years ago) link

that's a good thing. but regardless, the paper on which the xiph piece is based has been discredited by the audio engineering society. who knows, maybe they're trying to perpetuate the viability of their format in the era of hi-res dsd downloads. but to the extent that they paint the seekers of better sound as a bunch of science deniers, they are just being trolls.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 21 February 2016 18:15 (four years ago) link

AES published the original Meyer and Moran study too. also really don't feel like that's a fair representation of the Xiph people as well, based on what I've read about them - they're passionate about sound.

I realize AES gave the Robert Stuart study a top award but from what I heard it was a convention paper that wasn't even peer reviewed (whereas Meyer and Moran was), and everybody worked for Meridian that was involved in the testing. So how can Xiph have an agenda and Meridian, who wish to sell audiophile equipment, not?

Not remotely saying I'm an expert, but even the supporters of the Stuart paper are hesitant to use the word "debunked".

you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 February 2016 18:41 (four years ago) link

yeah "discredited" might be too strong a word. still, this article, linked from the AES home page, sort of lays out where they're at right now:

http://www.aes.org/technical/documentDownloads.cfm?docID=507

it says:

The theoretical and practical influence of filters on sound has long been debated, and a
new test program initiated by Meridian Audio seeks to explore some of the audibility
questions. In an important first paper given at the AES 137th convention, Meridian
authors H.M. Jackson et.al. measured the audibility in double blind tests of
downsampling filters typical of those used in CD preparation when such filters were
applied to a higher resolution stream without decimation and played through a high
quality audio system. Their result disputes that from an earlier paper by E.B. Meyer and
D.R. Moran (J.A.E.S. 55: 775-779, 2007) and provides evidence and a likely mechanism
for an audible distinction between CD and higher resolutions.

so again, perpetuating the notion that redbook cds are as good as we're ever going to get, and that all these people buying high-res files are throwing their money away because they can't hear the difference, is getting old.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 21 February 2016 21:01 (four years ago) link

i think there was an even more recent paper that shows that trained listeners, i.e. folks who actually know what they're listening for, can reliably tell the difference between normal and high resolution files:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/simple-everything-appears-simple

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 21 February 2016 21:11 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

none of the candidates for presidents - not even jill stein - is talking about this! wake up people!!!


Under Construction

One of our key infrastructure partners - Omnifone - has recently been acquired by a large company. An impact of this purchase is that all Omnifone’s supply relationships are being terminated, effectively immediately. Omnifone has been the exclusive content provider for PonoMusic.

In early anticipation of this change, some time ago we began, and subsequently concluded, negotiations to move our content provision to 7 Digital, the leading independent music content/services platform. This process of transition is now well underway, but not yet complete. Please rest assured that our contractual relationships with all the major music labels remain fully intact and will transition to our new platform.

During this transition, the ponomusic.com store will be under construction and not available. Our music library will be temporarily suspended for purchases effective July 20th. We ask that you please complete any music purchases you were considering, or wish to make, by Tuesday, July 19th.

Our PonoCommunity will continue as normal and we will keep everyone up to date with our progress.

With our partners at 7 Digital, we will determine the timeframe of this transition. Right now, we believe this transition process will take several weeks to achieve. In the meantime, please stay connected to the site and the community and keep listening to and enjoying the music you have. This transition is our highest priority and will remain so until we are live again and providing our customers with seamless access to music in the highest quality available.

On a positive note, this partnership brings fresh opportunities to improve our overall service. We look forward to having new titles to offer you.

Thank you for your understanding, patience, and support.
The Ponomusic Team.

#PonoInCrisis

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 July 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

#Pray4Pono

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 July 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

Never trust any company with "omni" in its name.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 July 2016 19:57 (three years ago) link

Omnifone totally sounds like a made up corporation from an 80s movie

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 July 2016 19:59 (three years ago) link

huh ol' cd baby is still going

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 July 2016 21:09 (three years ago) link

more like cd older now

map, Thursday, 28 July 2016 21:11 (three years ago) link

it's no The Orchard or Tunecore

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 July 2016 21:13 (three years ago) link

i've worked for omnifone since 2004 when it was 5 people. the office closes next week. 8(

koogs, Friday, 29 July 2016 19:48 (three years ago) link

Ah sorry that sucks :-(

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 30 July 2016 12:51 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

Pono becoming Xstream (also the name of the streaming service on Empire, so that's promising)

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 21 April 2017 23:28 (three years ago) link

But the pono devices have no network capabilities, how will they stream? Or are they not part of this?

Meanwhile, BBC radio 3 is currently available as a flac stream for lossless listening...

koogs, Friday, 21 April 2017 23:36 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

I was behind a Tesla with the license plate PONO today. Couldn't tell if it was Neil (tinted windows) due to lack of hat or sideburns. Maybe just a diehard fan.

the evening redness at the injection site (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 1 June 2017 06:47 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

Does Tidal stream in CD quality? The pono folks may have just jumped to them.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 15 February 2018 20:55 (two years ago) link

Looking forward to a concept album about this

30 minute jam with "Save the downloads, save the downloads" as a chorus

my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:07 (two years ago) link

The rest of the peddle-stuff-to-audiophiles industry seems to have no problems charging 2-3x higher prices.

Siegbran, Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:10 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

so anybody get one

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 October 2019 01:35 (seven months ago) link

We had one at work - we supplied the files for them - and us going out of business is what caused their website to disappear, never to return 8(

koogs, Saturday, 26 October 2019 02:56 (seven months ago) link

damn!

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 October 2019 02:56 (seven months ago) link

(collapse is covered a few pages back, July 2016)

koogs, Saturday, 26 October 2019 03:24 (seven months ago) link

Tidal streams at CD quality and it sounds really good

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 26 October 2019 17:21 (seven months ago) link

What’s “Qobuz”?: https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/music/streaming/offers

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Saturday, 26 October 2019 17:34 (seven months ago) link

been curious about it sound kinda promising

https://www.techhive.com/article/3340383/qobuz-review.html

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 26 October 2019 17:46 (seven months ago) link

shelling out for a nicer headphone setup (with proper, separate DAC and amp and all that) caused me to convert all the lossless files i had kicking around to MP3. Cannot detect a difference. Though nice headphones rule.

maffew12, Saturday, 26 October 2019 17:54 (seven months ago) link

We had one at work - we supplied the files for them - and us going out of business is what caused their website to disappear, never to return 8(
― koogs,

more importantly, who got the Pono koogs ?

mark e, Saturday, 26 October 2019 18:17 (seven months ago) link

technically i think the company that bought us out, who i can only legally refer to as "Large Technology Company", would own it as it was a company asset. but i imagine it went home in the pocket of our guy with the golden ears who did all the demos and who was let go by the liquidators a couple of months before they found a buyer.

it was nice enough and the design principles were sound, i think (the shape being what it was because that allowed for proper components and a round battery which is more efficient [citation needed]) but i remember the screen looking terrible.

(neil young visited us once, was shown through the office whilst we were sat there coding. was quite surreal. said golden ears has, i notice, a pic of him and neil as his linked-in photo)

koogs, Saturday, 26 October 2019 19:20 (seven months ago) link

"Large Technology Company" i guess also owns the record collection we bought and did nothing with (every chart single ever, or something. certainly there were a lot of roxette cd singles in the one box i looked at)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/11638862/Massive-record-collection-to-be-publicly-exhibited.html

it just sat on the floor of a locked, unused office for a year or so.

koogs, Saturday, 26 October 2019 19:37 (seven months ago) link

(neil young visited us once, was shown through the office whilst we were sat there coding. was quite surreal. said golden ears has, i notice, a pic of him and neil as his linked-in photo)

fancy s/w office visisted by NY is indeed a visual mish mash.

oh, and that story re record collection is just, ummmm, weird.
but hey, your boss had a cool hat to wear.

mark e, Saturday, 26 October 2019 20:08 (seven months ago) link

Tidal streams at CD quality and it sounds really good

Checking it out now (via a trial subscription) -- seems you need to pay $20/mo. for "HiFi" (CD) quality streaming?

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Monday, 28 October 2019 18:14 (seven months ago) link

That said, the regular ("High") quality Tidal stream does seem to sound slightly better, when played from the desktop app thru my (not great) headphones, than Spotify & YT Music sound. Tidal's audio comes through somewhat quieter than the others, I need to adjust the volume levels to compensate, but there seems to be a little more detail? Idk, maybe it's in my head

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Monday, 28 October 2019 18:25 (seven months ago) link

Spotify does some level adjusting unless you tell it in settings (advanced?) not to. Also have to manually set Spotify to give you its best quality, iirc

maffew12, Monday, 28 October 2019 18:31 (seven months ago) link

Ah - the best quality that Spotify will let me choose w/out a subscription is "High"... I'm sure "Very High" (Premium only) sounds better. But Tidal's "High" def. beats Spotify's "High" (I just did some 1:1 comparisons).

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Monday, 28 October 2019 18:40 (seven months ago) link

aside from farting around myself with various services and codecs, this site for live A/B testing is handy.. http://abx.digitalfeed.net

for me it was a total crapshoot for anything over 320kbps

maffew12, Monday, 28 October 2019 18:45 (seven months ago) link

I've now had an opportunity to A/B Spotify at "Very High" quality (by logging in to my wife's account) and Tidal at "High" quality... and I still swear Tidal still sounds. I'm not some Hoffman Forums type; just going by my ears, using R.E.M.'s Out of Time (25th Anniversary Edition) for the test.

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:07 (seven months ago) link

*still swear Tidal sounds better

dracula et son fils (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:07 (seven months ago) link

That Qobuz service is going exclusively hi-res, lowering subscription price: https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/qobuz-kicks-mp3s-to-curb-hi-res-audio-1203398479/

Would be interested to do the trial and see if its catalog is even remotely comparable to the major services (especially for new releases).

quinn morgendorffer stan account (morrisp), Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:22 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I decided to do the Qobuz trial, just for kicks. It does sound good -- significantly better than YT Music (my crappy-sounding default) -- but probably not worth the extra $5/mo. over Tidal or Spotify (at least when played over my cheap bluetooth headphones).

Peloton-gifting husband (morrisp), Friday, 6 December 2019 18:09 (five months ago) link

The bass in some of these streams is actually boosted a little too much for my taste...

Peloton-gifting husband (morrisp), Friday, 6 December 2019 18:13 (five months ago) link

Ooh - there's a switch in the settings to bump up the quality to "Hi-Res 24-Bit / up to 192 kHz" (for supported recordings). Damn, that really does sound good. (You can toggle between the four settings as you play a track, to compare on the fly.)

Peloton-gifting husband (morrisp), Friday, 6 December 2019 18:58 (five months ago) link

hold the phones.. Bluetooth? surely it's using LDAC then? I've never bothered with it, but I think any other sort of Bluetooth compression is going to severely limit this lossless experiment

maffew12, Friday, 6 December 2019 20:48 (five months ago) link

I mean, I can definitely hear the difference between at least the top tier and the lower ones (unless someone with real tech knowledge insists that's not possible, and I'm falling prey to severe power-of-suggestion).

Peloton-gifting husband (morrisp), Friday, 6 December 2019 21:30 (five months ago) link

I mean yeah it’s impossible for Bluetooth to reproduce that, it doesn’t have the bandwidth to even do CD quality audio, let alone 24 bit.

You probably can hear a difference though because I strongly suspect the services that offer 24bit audio EQ those streams differently to help you believe it does sound better.

JimD, Friday, 6 December 2019 21:39 (five months ago) link

Hmm... yeah, the bass doesn’t seem as jacked; highs & mids sound more clear. Maybe YouTube Music is just really crappily EQ’d(?)

Peloton-gifting husband (morrisp), Friday, 6 December 2019 21:47 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

MY PONONO

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:24 (one week ago) link


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