is 'the guy from sonic youth' a 'celebrity'?

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i mean come on

Poll Results

OptionVotes
sonic thedgehod 13
fffffffffffffffffffffff 4
kim gordon 4
why does new york think every one of it's 900000 garbage rock bands are legendary or w/e 4
we're all just miserable ants 3
why even be in a band 3
"Glenn Branca, Yamantaka Eye, Chris Corsano and My Cat is an Alien.[citation needed]" 3
sounds like some ultra wasp shit 3
what kind of name is thurston 3
fucking nobodies 2
.... 2
nobody except record store clerks can name a single one of their songs i bet 2
"Lydia Lunch, DJ Spooky, William Hooker, Daniel Carter, Christian Marclay, Mike Watt, 2
like do they have a song that any normal person in the world would know? 2
saturday night 2
or make or do anything 1
;;; 1
obviously not 1
;;__;; 1
) 1
nobody cares about any of this 1
they're an indie rock band 1
come on 1
no 1
the strokes 1
who is the least famous celebrity 1
like, don't you have to have at least a single song that regular ppl can name to be an important band 1
the fuckin national 1
"Loren Mazzacane Connors, William Winant, The Thing, Nels Cline, Cock E.S.P., John Moloney, 1
i don't know any sonic youth songs 1
; 1
the pixies or whatever 0
the killers 0
asubfiuf90ajpilnjjoijw0--08ip 0
(which is possibly the most the thurston guy is, NOT a 'celebrity' 0
'celebrity'? hell no 0
isn't there a baseline at all for who is considered a 'celebrity'? 0
"Moore has collaborated with scores of musicians, including Maryanne Amacher, 0
like... who the fuck are any of these people 0
all of those people are nobodies! 0
4 ppl on that list who i've heard of... are supremely unimportant 0
musicians are just as worthless as anybody else on this earth 0
no, they don't 0
even the like 0
or be a public figure 0
f 0


real myst opportunity (sleepingbag), Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:32 (five years ago) link

Guile is definitely a celebrity in my book

, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:33 (five years ago) link

He was a guest star on the fucking Simpsons

perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:37 (five years ago) link

Tough poll, it's between these three for me:

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sonic thedgehod

Hope this is the first in a series.

μ thant (seandalai), Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:38 (five years ago) link

really like this use of the poll format.

james franco, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:40 (five years ago) link

( )....
( ) like... who the fuck are any of these people
( ) all of those people are nobodies!
( ) fucking nobodies

this is hard.

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:41 (five years ago) link

interviewed by fucking Nardwuar…TWICE!!

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:41 (five years ago) link

Voted the fuckin national

albvivertine, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:42 (five years ago) link

why the national; do you have something against the strokes or sonic thedgehod?

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:43 (five years ago) link

Voted for Whigfield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIAfEqA220

MarkoP, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:43 (five years ago) link

Yeah fuck those nobodies

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:46 (five years ago) link

teenage riot was on rock band 3 i think, ppl know them

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:50 (five years ago) link

Also he did that cool painting of the candle

, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:52 (five years ago) link

people it's really important that we know who's a celebrity and who isn't. the jokes on this thread are an insult to the institution of celebrity. serious answers only please. thank you

otm

μ thant (seandalai), Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:55 (five years ago) link

when i got to college and didn't know anyone yet i spent a lot of time hanging out with this guy who claimed he was thurston moore's cousin. he was an awful, manipulative person who i eventually became kind of creeped out by. i think he might have been lying about the thurston moore connection... maybe not... but then why would he lie about being related to a non-celebrity?

Treeship, Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:00 (five years ago) link

19 hours really not enough to make a decision like this.

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:18 (five years ago) link

"fucking nobodies" ftw

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:23 (five years ago) link

He was a guest star on the fucking Simpsons

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so wrre a lot of people. and they're all dead and forgotten\

real myst opportunity (sleepingbag), Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:41 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPKB6bCBHLE

Treeship, Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:43 (five years ago) link

voted for "Glenn Branca, Yamantaka Eye, Chris Corsano and My Cat is an Alien.[citation needed]"
....

but he's still a dick and chelsea light moving is boring

mary-kate and ashley's roachclip (get bent), Sunday, 9 March 2014 06:10 (five years ago) link

This would have made for an interesting poll in 1992

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 9 March 2014 06:54 (five years ago) link

the only poll (james franco ever praised)

estela, Sunday, 9 March 2014 07:05 (five years ago) link

Who is the least famous celebrity

Reality, that incessant contrarian (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 9 March 2014 08:00 (five years ago) link

Kinda jumps out at ya

Reality, that incessant contrarian (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 9 March 2014 08:00 (five years ago) link

Gilmore Girls

*tera, Sunday, 9 March 2014 08:38 (five years ago) link

Treeship: that is a creepy story

*tera, Sunday, 9 March 2014 08:40 (five years ago) link

Branwell overthinking really obvious things, as usual, because that is what Branwell does on a Sunday morning:

Like, OMG, duh, you are literally the first person in the world that has pointed out that "celebrity" is a meaningless term! "Celebrity" does not mean a fucking thing these days, now that anyone, even heiresses and indie-rock stars can become ~celebrities~. Not like in the olden days, when Celebrity meant an actual Godlike Celebrity, like Zeus, or Napoleon, or that codger in the next village over who threw a kettle over the pub.

Celebrity means little more than "a person, who is not personally known to me, who nonetheless *means* something to me and whose behaviour is interesting to me."

You may not know this person, and yet you follow their behaviour because you use them as a kind of personal benchmark of what is noble, what is despicable, what is admirable, be that inspiration or aspiration or cautionary tale. When a large enough group of people use the same person in that way, that person becomes a "Celebrity". Now you can argue back and forth all day about how large a group of people it takes to make a person a "celebrity" but Celebrities themselves, they have a use, a purpose, and when people start making those noises about 'omg celebrity culture is ~so terrible~!!!' all that makes me think is "wow, you really don't understand how humans work.'

I *get* why people hate the preponderance of Indie Rock Canon on this board, and revoking Thurston's status as celebrity - or indeed mocking people who consider him and his behaviour worthy of note or discussion - can certainly be a reflection of dismantling the overlong cultural influence of Indie Rock. But on the other hand, when it becomes a stick to beat people with "why do you care about this dumb shit" I think it's pretty obvious why people care about this dumb shit: because people use 'Celebrities" as moral bellwethers of themselves and their perceived group.

I'm of the generation that grew up with Kim and Thurston as kind of "cool older siblings" - and watched them grapple with the same issues that I was facing. How do you maintain a relationship in the face of your political beliefs, and your belief in gender equality? How do you negotiate the desire to not participate in the more abhorrent aspects of consumer society, while still making a liveable standard of living? They seemed to do it well. It wasn't that I was holding them to a *different* or higher standard than ~ordinary folk~, it was just that they seemed to do it well enough that, being of my age and class and gender and interests, they got integrated into what I considered to *be* the standard. And it's not just a bog standard "kill yr idols" display, but more a "you lied to us for half a dozen years. I have the right to feel kinda bummed about being lied to, and to revise my opinions of you, rather than revise my moral standards."

"Who even is this guy" is a perfectly normal response if it's not your generation or not your culture or not your standard. But "Why do you even care about celebrities" is one of those things that makes me instantly question the wisdom of the sayer, rather than the concept of "celebrity".

i don't know what sleepingbag's agenda was with this poll. i don't think it was to undermine the indie rock canon in any serious sense, and i doubt he would think it's more legitimate to ponder the personal lives of a "legitimate" celebrity like britney spears than it is to do that for our thurston. maybe i'm wrong though and he's the type that goes around calling people "fucking nobodies" in earnest.

Treeship, Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:17 (five years ago) link

what kind of name is thurston

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:43 (five years ago) link

sounds like the name of an adulterer to me.

fucking nobodies (Treeship), Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:48 (five years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/PnJ6ghv.jpg

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:51 (five years ago) link

I thought sleepingbag was polling some dummy's Youtube or Tumblr rant

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Sunday, 9 March 2014 13:01 (five years ago) link

I'm of the generation that grew up with Kim and Thurston as kind of "cool older siblings" - and watched them grapple with the same issues that I was facing. How do you maintain a relationship in the face of your political beliefs, and your belief in gender equality? How do you negotiate the desire to not participate in the more abhorrent aspects of consumer society, while still making a liveable standard of living? They seemed to do it well. It wasn't that I was holding them to a *different* or higher standard than ~ordinary folk~, it was just that they seemed to do it well enough that, being of my age and class and gender and interests, they got integrated into what I considered to *be* the standard. And it's not just a bog standard "kill yr idols" display, but more a "you lied to us for half a dozen years. I have the right to feel kinda bummed about being lied to, and to revise my opinions of you, rather than revise my moral standards."

Not sure I follow this at all.

mohel hell (Bob Six), Sunday, 9 March 2014 13:07 (five years ago) link

Don't worry, it was just me thinking out loud; the ILX equivalent of a YouTube rant or whatever.

It is easy to follow

Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Sunday, 9 March 2014 13:28 (five years ago) link

http://i62.tinypic.com/2rdb4o8.jpg

real myst opportunity (sleepingbag), Sunday, 9 March 2014 15:34 (five years ago) link

Seems like we have some people taking this poll incredibly seriously, and others who think it's some sort of joke. Let's all DROP the balogna and get serious Right Now.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 March 2014 15:43 (five years ago) link

karl's right. this isn't a playground people. this isn't twitter.

james franco, Sunday, 9 March 2014 15:51 (five years ago) link

btw turns out "cis" is a word they had to make up for, like, normal dudes

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:00 (five years ago) link

Stands for "cool it, simp" iirc

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:03 (five years ago) link

terrible how language evolves in ways that make people feel less alienated by normative gender categories.

james franco, Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:31 (five years ago) link

voted "why even be in a band"

death and darkness and other night kinda shit (crüt), Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:33 (five years ago) link

"normal"

bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:35 (five years ago) link

Hedgehod FTW

StanM, Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:39 (five years ago) link

obviously i voted for sonic

struggle blogger (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Sunday, 9 March 2014 17:21 (five years ago) link

Is this the sum total of his 'collaboration' with Amacher?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRrksHhVfj8

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 9 March 2014 19:35 (five years ago) link

like, don't you have to have at least a single song that regular ppl can name to be an important band

voted for this

sleeve, Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:39 (five years ago) link

why does new york think every one of it's 900000 garbage rock bands are legendary or w/e

this was the clear winner for me

Treeship, Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:40 (five years ago) link

like, don't you have to have at least a single song that regular ppl can name to be an important band

____________________________________

voted for this

― sleeve, Sunday, March 9, 2014

otm. for instance, most people can name the title of at least two imagine dragons songs, but can't name the title of at least one johannes brahms song. and which of them is a more important act? that's right. thank you.

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:50 (five years ago) link

write in vote for 'what a retarded fucking poll, jesus fucking christ'

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:55 (five years ago) link

There's a band called Johannes Brahms?

DDD, Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:55 (five years ago) link

Brohannes Jahms, actually.

emil.y, Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:57 (five years ago) link

second-greatest band ever, behind maroon 5. but for obscure music-lovers only, so not an "important band."

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 9 March 2014 23:01 (five years ago) link

I should start a poll about shitty it is to say "retarded" in 2014

Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 March 2014 23:03 (five years ago) link

lol at Brohannes Jams

μ thant (seandalai), Sunday, 9 March 2014 23:20 (five years ago) link

Cosign also "HMMMM"ing at ppl thinking this is is either a srs OR rly dumb poll

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 9 March 2014 23:59 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 10 March 2014 00:01 (five years ago) link

lol

this poll is top notch, certain other pollstarters might consider studying it for tips about form and content.

estela, Monday, 10 March 2014 00:10 (five years ago) link

sonic thedgehod definitely a contender in putatively forthcoming POLL WINNERS' POLL 3

f was robbed

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Monday, 10 March 2014 02:41 (five years ago) link

Brohannes Jahms = superlolz

is olympic hamsterwheel a thing? (staggerlee), Monday, 10 March 2014 05:42 (five years ago) link

Good poll sry to have missed it tbh needed to be on a board more ppl had heard of

peak environmental scaremongering (darraghmac), Monday, 10 March 2014 09:45 (five years ago) link

a worthy victor

μ thant (seandalai), Monday, 10 March 2014 10:22 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

i don't know what sleepingbag's agenda was with this poll. i don't think it was to undermine the indie rock canon in any serious sense,

IT WAS TO UNDERMINE THE INDIE ROCK CANON IN A SERIOUS SENSE

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:16 (nine months ago) link

I partied with Lydia Lunch last yr

sarahell, Friday, 11 January 2019 20:21 (nine months ago) link

Who?

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:45 (nine months ago) link

lmao

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Friday, 11 January 2019 20:45 (nine months ago) link

two ppl voted for the poll option w/her name on it what can i say

sarahell, Friday, 11 January 2019 20:52 (nine months ago) link

I'd like to know what Lydia Lunch's version of "partying" looks like. People berating caged kittens is probably her idea of a good time.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 11 January 2019 21:10 (nine months ago) link

bourbon + cocaine + flirting with guys much younger than her -- I can respect the first and third activity

sarahell, Friday, 11 January 2019 21:20 (nine months ago) link

about what i expected. her voice is... something else these days. i saw her and her band a few months ago and they were pretty great tbh.

circa1916, Friday, 11 January 2019 21:27 (nine months ago) link

yeah, she still has good energy on stage, but she can't hit the notes from that early Teenage Jesus material -- sounds more like Bea Arthur. I am fond of Bea Arthur tho

sarahell, Friday, 11 January 2019 21:37 (nine months ago) link

I haven't partied with Lydia exactly but I did see her do a semi-private "video retrospective" in the pre-Youtube days where she showed video from her personal collection of TJ & J & 8-Eyed Spy & Shotgun Wedding and so on and so on and she also graphically & ruthlessly broke down the sexual proclivities of her various collaborators and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

It was like Bea Arthur if Bea Arthur knew everything about Rowland S Howard's dick

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 11 January 2019 21:47 (nine months ago) link

I haven’t partied with Lydia but I have done the caged kitten thing

Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Friday, 11 January 2019 21:49 (nine months ago) link

I love a few Lydia Lunch albums btw. Sry for the dumb joke

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 11 January 2019 21:58 (nine months ago) link

I have no idea what her physical appearance is like these days, but she's an absolutely wretched person.👍🏽

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 11 January 2019 21:58 (nine months ago) link

the first Sonic Youth drummer is so good in 'Stranger Than Paradise'

nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:56 (nine months ago) link

Wow, I didn’t know that guy was in SY... (He was also in Ferris Bueller, lol)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Sunday, 13 January 2019 20:03 (nine months ago) link

And Eight Men Out

brimstead, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:33 (nine months ago) link

xp - why do you think she's an absolutely wretched person? (not saying you are wrong)

sarahell, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:35 (nine months ago) link

eight months pass...

Branwell overthinking really obvious things, as usual, because that is what Branwell does on a Sunday morning:

Like, OMG, duh, you are literally the first person in the world that has pointed out that "celebrity" is a meaningless term! "Celebrity" does not mean a fucking thing these days, now that anyone, even heiresses and indie-rock stars can become ~celebrities~. Not like in the olden days, when Celebrity meant an actual Godlike Celebrity, like Zeus, or Napoleon, or that codger in the next village over who threw a kettle over the pub.

Celebrity means little more than "a person, who is not personally known to me, who nonetheless *means* something to me and whose behaviour is interesting to me."

You may not know this person, and yet you follow their behaviour because you use them as a kind of personal benchmark of what is noble, what is despicable, what is admirable, be that inspiration or aspiration or cautionary tale. When a large enough group of people use the same person in that way, that person becomes a "Celebrity". Now you can argue back and forth all day about how large a group of people it takes to make a person a "celebrity" but Celebrities themselves, they have a use, a purpose, and when people start making those noises about 'omg celebrity culture is ~so terrible~!!!' all that makes me think is "wow, you really don't understand how humans work.'

I *get* why people hate the preponderance of Indie Rock Canon on this board, and revoking Thurston's status as celebrity - or indeed mocking people who consider him and his behaviour worthy of note or discussion - can certainly be a reflection of dismantling the overlong cultural influence of Indie Rock. But on the other hand, when it becomes a stick to beat people with "why do you care about this dumb shit" I think it's pretty obvious why people care about this dumb shit: because people use 'Celebrities" as moral bellwethers of themselves and their perceived group.

I'm of the generation that grew up with Kim and Thurston as kind of "cool older siblings" - and watched them grapple with the same issues that I was facing. How do you maintain a relationship in the face of your political beliefs, and your belief in gender equality? How do you negotiate the desire to not participate in the more abhorrent aspects of consumer society, while still making a liveable standard of living? They seemed to do it well. It wasn't that I was holding them to a *different* or higher standard than ~ordinary folk~, it was just that they seemed to do it well enough that, being of my age and class and gender and interests, they got integrated into what I considered to *be* the standard. And it's not just a bog standard "kill yr idols" display, but more a "you lied to us for half a dozen years. I have the right to feel kinda bummed about being lied to, and to revise my opinions of you, rather than revise my moral standards."

"Who even is this guy" is a perfectly normal response if it's not your generation or not your culture or not your standard. But "Why do you even care about celebrities" is one of those things that makes me instantly question the wisdom of the sayer, rather than the concept of "celebrity".

― claim you hate me; read my twitter account ~religiously~ (Branwell Bell), Sunday, March 9, 2014 4:54 AM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao

lumen (esby), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 03:23 (one week ago) link

Sonic Youth member has been my gold standard of comfortable level of celebrity forever - pretty sure they're all set up financially, Kim/Thurston/Lee could get a table at a hot restaurant or invite to an exclusive event if they want it, but they're not famous enough to have to deal with paparazzi.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 04:04 (one week ago) link

seemed like every other person i knew during my college days in western massachusetts had a gordon/mascis/moore story to tell and all of them reaffirmed my belief to let celebrities and people in general be.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 06:14 (one week ago) link

Still find it fascinating I saw Thurston nearly ride his bike into a bus in Stoke Newington. sonic thedgehod

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 07:21 (one week ago) link

Stokey Youth.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 09:33 (one week ago) link


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