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I know they've been discussed elsewhere, but I think Deafheaven could use their own thread. I am admittedly a very casual metal listener, but Sunbather has really grabbed me. Not sure "black metal" is the best genre tag for it though, as the music is warm and enveloping and the overall vibe of the thing has nothing to do with coldness and hatred. Actually, the shrill vocals seem very surprising paired with this music. I don't know why it works but it does.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Road to Judah is pretty great as well.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:48 (four years ago) Permalink

none more false

adam, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:20 (four years ago) Permalink

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/04/30/deafheaven20131-caf771c53e5f8ec296d331fa960c778f8a29a48c-s6-c30.jpg

they look like they work for teach for america

adam, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:22 (four years ago) Permalink

hahaha maybe wait until their second record, imagine if we had a liturgy thread

*searches* oh

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Both Deafheaven and Liturgy broke through on their second records...

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:36 (four years ago) Permalink

They just look like two guys. Maybe a little more vampiric than average but still. Xpost

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Actually, the shrill vocals seem very surprising paired with this music.

do threadbans exist can I be banned from this thread for my own good

joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:40 (four years ago) Permalink

this band reminds me of the owl city guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7HmzwI67ec

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:56 (four years ago) Permalink

its really not necessary to make fun of these guys for looking like normal guys since their dull, labored-over music should rly provide sufficient ammunition.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:05 (four years ago) Permalink

I am admittedly a very casual metal listener, but Sunbather has really grabbed me.

It's ok bro, this record is for people like you.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:14 (four years ago) Permalink

Can I just post this picture of Bosse-De-Nage?

http://i58.tinypic.com/1z1bvp1.jpg

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:18 (four years ago) Permalink

ghost of bizarro Pete Seeger to thread

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:21 (four years ago) Permalink

Blackened Flagpole Sitta

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:23 (four years ago) Permalink

as 'this kind of thing' goes, I can't find any photos of Neige Morte that do their look justice, but when I saw them the singer was wearing boat shoes and no socks. I wouldn't have minded but I'd just been to see Immortal

wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:24 (four years ago) Permalink

TBH these Sunbather dudes just look like co-presidents of the Death In June fan club, USA division.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Do you guys look "metal" yourselves or do you just demand this of your metal musicians?

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:27 (four years ago) Permalink

I look like Don Knotts in a black commando sweater and a porkpie hat with a Katatonia patch sewed to it.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:29 (four years ago) Permalink

To be clear, I voted for this album. I just think they look funny, in a funny kinda way.

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:30 (four years ago) Permalink

One of the worst things in the 77 imo, turned off at the first egregious quiet-loud

Battles, "Atlas" 29 Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe" 14 (imago), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:40 (four years ago) Permalink

if anyone wants to listen to an actual good usbm record from last year with some crossover potential try out woe's withdrawal. the main guy in woe also looks like just a guy, if that's a concern at all.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:44 (four years ago) Permalink

You'd have to be deaf to want to listen to this band! Hahahaha

, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:46 (four years ago) Permalink

I think I give up trying to get people to check out metal since metalheads do their damned best to put people off.

treeship if you ever want recommendations feel free to webmail me or if you're on fb gimme those details. Always happy to chat about any music.

۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:18 (four years ago) Permalink

If people check out Deafheaven and it leads them to get into Weakling or Ludicra or something, great. But compromise-metal just inherently gets on my nerves.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:27 (four years ago) Permalink

the singer in this band screams a lot.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Lantlos! That is the best post-rock-black-metal there is, mainly because the post-rock used is of the earlier, Talk Talk-ian kind. Love their album .neon.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:35 (four years ago) Permalink

I dug this album, Treeship, my man. I'm not sure yet, but it might even be in my top 10.

It's unfortunate the 'black metal' label has stuck. I guess nobody else can do shrieking vocals except black metallers. Yet it can't all be just about the music, right? Or can it? Isn't most metal now just riddled with contradictions and hundreds of little factions with their own thing that all of it essentially means nothing now? I didn't think people still argued over metal.

I remember metal fans tending to be worst than English modernists when it comes to labelling, with their fervent desire to categorise music.

I guess since I like Deafheaven, I'm just driven by the wrong ideology, lack that radical individualism, and am entrenched in a mainstream group identity/herd mentality. Metal just has too many sophisticated subgenres and subcultures, man. I.e., rules. I can't judge it because I'm just a casual listener. I'll leave that to true metal listeners.

But what do I know. I guess I can't tell what I like. Can a true black metaller recommend some basement-studio, genre-crossing metal that still keeps it real...yo? Oh, sorry, that's hip hop. I'm such a dilettante. Hihihi!

Anyway, the theatrics have always put me off. So has the Peter Pan syndrome a lot of these dudes have.

I remember in secondary some guys would get magazines with build-your-own-church-to-set-fire pages and my internal laugh would echo as strongly as blast beats.

Who says those who listen to Deafheaven even want to listen to an 'actual good USBM' album? LOL.

Kthksbye. Gonna work on this http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Black-Metal-Vocals

c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:35 (four years ago) Permalink

that's a shame you get put off. The whole reason I run metal poll at eoy time is to introduce everyone on ilx who can be bothered reading it to good metal of all kinds. Hardly anyone contributes on the rollout thread though. Lack of interest or fear of being shot down?

Maybe I'm wasting my time?

۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:41 (four years ago) Permalink

who says those who read ilx want to read a nine-paragraph crimsonhexagon post about anything, lol

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:52 (four years ago) Permalink

@۩, Oh, I listen to some recommendations here. I appreciate that. And some I like. But that's as far as I'll go. I can't be bothered to shoot down bands like Deafheaven (or replace this band with whatever equivalent in another music 'genre').

All of us listen to music differently, right?

I've hung out with metalheads since I was a kid. I remember tabbing out Old Man's Child crap for some of them. I've played music with some. Even when I stopped playing music a couple of years ago, I was around some metal musicians. I'll just clarify the obvious, just in case: a lot of them are great people, but they are also much older and have diverse musical tastes.

Young kids have always been very set in their opinions. I am much older now and don't really discuss music the way I used to when I was a kid. I'm into more cultural and historical overviews. Identifying with a musical culture is not something I do or desire now. I'd rather study it on my own time.

I played music for a little more than half of my life. If there is one thing I was always put off by, it was the theatrics of performing. That's just my thing, though.

The people I would talk to when I was a kid were trading Dimmu Borgir tapes, as well as crust punk stuff. I always felt more welcomed by those who preferred the latter. It might've just been the time and place. But again, for me, music is not about being accepted into a group of people. I can listen to one album, then switch to something completely different. I have friends who listen to totally different styles of music. The consequence of this is that your life becomes compartmentalised. I can't have all of them in the same room, because I'm sure some would despise others.

The only metal friends I've tried to get involved in other realms of my life are those who like stuff like Opeth.

Anyway, thanks for your honest reply and, again, I appreciate your recommendations, ۩.

c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:09 (four years ago) Permalink

This got to #10 in the metal poll so plenty of metal dudes like it. Think the vocals are a bit weak but it's a good record that obv overlaps with the postrock/ shoegaze crowd. Plenty more music around like that: Alcest, Les Discrets, Drudkh, Lantlos, Nachtvorst, Arsaidh, Bosse de Nage, Westering, Kultura Kureniya, etc.

Siegbran, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:12 (four years ago) Permalink

If people check out Deafheaven and it leads them to get into Weakling or Ludicra or something, great. But compromise-metal just inherently gets on my nerves.

― atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, February 1, 2014 4:27 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why? Deafheaven wanted to make an album that sounded like Sunbather not one that was more orthodox black metal, either in sound or spirit. How is this a compromise? If you don't like the way they integrate bm sounds into their music that's fine -- it's a critical judgment -- but your reaction to them just seems territorial.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:30 (four years ago) Permalink

it def it territorial, and i don't think that's great. but i also don't think it's great when ppl are actively avoiding the context that surrounds and creates something like deafheaven.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:46 (four years ago) Permalink

worst sin they committed (to metalheads) and also simultaneously most genius PR move is the album art

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:50 (four years ago) Permalink

i think that's actually the only distinctive thing about them tho, afaict

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:51 (four years ago) Permalink

the album art is awesome! and i kinda liked judah. the music on this one just didn't work for me.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:52 (four years ago) Permalink

ya its cool it just looks like something gr80 would listen to u know

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:56 (four years ago) Permalink

balearic metal

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:56 (four years ago) Permalink

If you don't like the way they integrate bm sounds into their music that's fine -- it's a critical judgment -- but your reaction to them just seems territorial.

I just find this "let's take one or two elements of metal and glom them onto some shitty, dull post rock/shoegaze" thing grating. It's not good metal and it's not good post rock; if the only creative innovation is blending two things together poorly, why bother?

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:38 (four years ago) Permalink

It's very good post-rock!

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:44 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm convinced and rescind all prior arguments.

Also I do actually like the cover.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:45 (four years ago) Permalink

I bet you can mention more worthy BM than PR from the last few years. Sunbather put some agression and energy into the mix, and it's the best post-rock in eons, with the possible exception of the last GYBE.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:46 (four years ago) Permalink

i'd like to try with this band again, but the scream-o vocal style is really off-putting for me. is there anything that tones-down the yelling, or is especially accessible and hook-y (maybe that's an alternative way to approach deafheaven, if it's all scream-o vocals).

yes, i know; i'm super-duper old, and should probably be listening to paul anka.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Don't worry, their next album will probably feature some daring experimentation with clean vocals. Album after that you'll never know they were a metal band at all.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:50 (four years ago) Permalink

oh I'd guess their one-sheets will make liberal use of the word "metal"

joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:19 (four years ago) Permalink

I usually love mimsy pseudo-metal usually but these guys take Envy and Wolves in the Throne Room and make it into something of a shitstain. Poor man's Alcest and that's being really fucking generous.

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 2 February 2014 02:26 (four years ago) Permalink

idk if theres a joke behind yr dn i'm not getting, but i enjoy it regardless

call all destroyer, Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:51 (four years ago) Permalink

ban cad; ki-moon

Battles, "Atlas" 29 Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe" 14 (imago), Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:52 (four years ago) Permalink

or they'll just go on and on about stuff that's better. which i have been known to do. but it usually just bugs me when the hyped thing is terrible. i don't think deafheaven are terrible.

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:31 (three years ago) Permalink

i bet there was fanzines slagging off reign in blood or master of puppets.

Even Heartwork by Carcass was slagged of silly by some. It always happens whether the band is good or bad i think

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Different people like different things for different reasons shock.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:31 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't think anyone is shocked by anything. for me it's more of a *why this and why not that* sorta thing. but when you add up all the elements of deafheaven it makes total sense. the last album that i really wanted non-metal people to hear was ashes against the grain by agalloch. i was playing it in the store not long ago and this 60-something classic rock guy was all over it. what IS this??? i wrote down the name for him. but it never really broke past the metal crowd, i don't think?

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:44 (three years ago) Permalink

"i bet there was fanzines slagging off reign in blood or master of puppets."

Metal fans were pretty unified in their love for these records. Black Album was definitely the Metallica backlash record from metalheads and then of course by Load pretty much everyone was off the bandwagon.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:06 (three years ago) Permalink

i bet there was still "they sold out after Show No Mercy" type 'fans'

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:12 (three years ago) Permalink

maybe some. I don't think, back then, I knew anybody who didn't freak out about Reign in Blood.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 02:39 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm willing to concede the drummer's not like unearthly or whatever, he's firing on all cylinders but many people do—but i think his parts are probably uncommonly composed to suit the overall compositions/arrangements, like he was an equal songwriting partner or something

j., Thursday, 8 October 2015 00:47 (three years ago) Permalink

these dudes are still false af but this record is pretty good, it was the "stars" riff that sold me thx j

adam, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 17:43 (three years ago) Permalink

For the sake of argument, let's pretend they injected a bunch of black metal into their otherwise ordinary indie rock in order to become popular. Now, think about the logic of that...

But they were never indie rock to begin with, they were a post-rock meets black metal band from the beginning then made an album that seemed calculated so as to please the indie kids/p4k crowd. Hence the backlash.

Still on the fence about listening to the new one, as I liked Roads to Judah but didn't care for Sunbather and the hype added to the all-over-the place comparisons I read about New Bermuda are turning me off for the most part.

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Thursday, 15 October 2015 07:35 (three years ago) Permalink

but how did Sunbather seem "calculated so as to please the indie kids"?

to put it in very simple terms, it's post-rock meets black metal -- and you just said they were a post-rock meets black metal band from the beginning.

so they made an album that sounds like what they'd always been and that seemed calculated to please the indie kids? again, how so?

alpine static, Thursday, 15 October 2015 07:42 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't necessarily hold the opinion that it was calculated (it doesn't really matter to me), I'm just expressing why some people feel that way. Sunbather did not sound like the band always sound, it was based upon the same foundation but it seemed to go in a more indie-friendly direction, something brighter (and some would say watered down) that would more easily crossover to the non-metal crowd etc.

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Thursday, 15 October 2015 08:00 (three years ago) Permalink

'calculated' is a red herring here

they just sound really trite

twunty fifteen (imago), Thursday, 15 October 2015 08:16 (three years ago) Permalink

they sound triter on this new one. Sunbather is the better album.

charlie h, Thursday, 15 October 2015 08:56 (three years ago) Permalink

otm

franklin, Thursday, 15 October 2015 09:20 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Finally listening to this/them for the first time. Some parts sound like generic screamo, some like generic Radiohead, and it all fits together oddly. Not altogether bad, but so fucking weird to me that this is anyone's favorite record of 2015.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 04:07 (two years ago) Permalink

They do a bunch of things and none of them really well.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 04:08 (two years ago) Permalink

drummer sounds like he's trying to outplay his level

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 04:09 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

these dudes are still false af

haha a non-metal friend wrote me and was like 'i like this album but can you tell me, is it "hipster metal"?'

j., Wednesday, 27 April 2016 17:01 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU8g0XNyHRw&feature=share

"Honeycomb" by Deafheaven from the album 'Ordinary Corrupt Human Love,' available July 13th

j., Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:11 (five months ago) Permalink

i listened to this today and then the imperial triumphant album from this year -

https://soundcloud.com/earsplit/sets/imperial-triumphant-abyssal

- and since they both have a pretty dry and somehow contemporary sound i was struck by how un-science-fictiony the deafheaven record is. i think that might have been touched on in one of the reviews linked upthread, that it's adapted somehow for present-day gleaming-surface air-conditioned-nightmare precarious tech-bro life, but that must have something to do with the deliberate musical choices, the aiming for radio-friendly tones and structures and transitions. it's like it puts the record in the genre of 'realism', whereas your typical present-day black metal or death metal record, whatever resonances it can be found to have with reality or parts of it, code in terms of sci-fi, fantasy, horror, romance, etc. per our hallowed traditions.

even something as apocalyptic and otherworldly at times as black sabbath, it seems the blues element and the lingering 60s rock-combo dna make it all the more sinister, just so far as they make the music seem like it matches somehow with the actual contemporary world. even when ozzy's singing 'take your body to a copse' the archaism doesn't sound like an affectation, it seems like something mysterious and fearful still present in the world now (then).

― j., Saturday, October 3, 2015 2:17 PM (two years ago

me otm

j., Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:18 (five months ago) Permalink

they're touring with Uniform and Drab Majesty - interesting lineup, might have to check it out.

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:19 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the 12-minute "Canary Yellow" now up to stream

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:08 (four months ago) Permalink

omg can't breathe

imago, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:15 (four months ago) Permalink

even more than usual it sounds like four different songs stitched together, but it's got strong stitching.

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:19 (four months ago) Permalink

lol

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Wow "Canary Yellow" is great. Loving both of these. Hell yeah.

gman59, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 20:35 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

these songs are long

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:45 (three months ago) Permalink

on the bright side the first song is hilarious

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:47 (three months ago) Permalink

this might be the first time i'm fully onboard with deafheaven! these songs are all ridiculous

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:55 (three months ago) Permalink

They fully embraced their corny aspects on this one and it's a good look

Simon H., Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:58 (three months ago) Permalink

it really is!

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:05 (three months ago) Permalink

shouts out to "near" which pretty much could've been on last year's slowdive record

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:15 (three months ago) Permalink

hell yeah. just played through it for the first time. everything I wanted and more. "You Without End" really is their most over the top yet. I also like "Near" a lot, "Worthless Animal" too and the Chelsea Wolfe track stood out. fuck, I just love this whole album.

gman59, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:31 (three months ago) Permalink

Enjoying this a lot. "Glint" is standing out for me.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 6 July 2018 13:09 (three months ago) Permalink

v happy that this arrived when it did

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 8 July 2018 07:52 (three months ago) Permalink

on and on we choke on

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 8 July 2018 08:19 (three months ago) Permalink

this is dull as heck as per

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:01 (three months ago) Permalink

you can have 1,000 hooks sections but if the song is insipid glurge they don't matter

the slowdive one is nice tho

lowercase (eric), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:08 (three months ago) Permalink

y’all have cotton in your ears and tar in your hearts

princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:11 (three months ago) Permalink

fair

lowercase (eric), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:13 (three months ago) Permalink

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:17 (three months ago) Permalink

I feel like I'm hearing a lot of Radiohead in this. That thing at 2:13 in Canary Yellow.

jmm, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:28 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

starts off sound a lot like the end of "Layla"

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:03 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i really really like this album but i rarely listen to it as an album—i keep getting stuck on particular songs and just listen to them over and over. first canary yellow, then honeycomb, now worthless animal

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:23 (two months ago) Permalink

i was really surprised and impressed with their live show as well. way over-the-top and entertaining without taking themselves too seriously

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah these guys were great when I saw them recently. Great fun show.

mikethegrouch, Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:30 (two months ago) Permalink

I did an interview in person when the band played Philly last month. I found George to be open and engaging, not guarded at all, which considering how polarizing the band is, I kind of expected. He was especially proud of the touring package of hand-picked support. The show was phenomenal.

http://www.invisibleoranges.com/deafheaven-interview/

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:19 (two months ago) Permalink

i appreciated how the singer would rock the fuck out no matter how quiet or slow the song was at that particular section

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:27 (two months ago) Permalink


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