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I know they've been discussed elsewhere, but I think Deafheaven could use their own thread. I am admittedly a very casual metal listener, but Sunbather has really grabbed me. Not sure "black metal" is the best genre tag for it though, as the music is warm and enveloping and the overall vibe of the thing has nothing to do with coldness and hatred. Actually, the shrill vocals seem very surprising paired with this music. I don't know why it works but it does.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:15 (seven years ago) link

Road to Judah is pretty great as well.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:48 (seven years ago) link

none more false

adam, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:20 (seven years ago) link

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/04/30/deafheaven20131-caf771c53e5f8ec296d331fa960c778f8a29a48c-s6-c30.jpg

they look like they work for teach for america

adam, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:22 (seven years ago) link

hahaha maybe wait until their second record, imagine if we had a liturgy thread

*searches* oh

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:27 (seven years ago) link

Both Deafheaven and Liturgy broke through on their second records...

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:36 (seven years ago) link

They just look like two guys. Maybe a little more vampiric than average but still. Xpost

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:27 (seven years ago) link

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/cast-of-person-of-interest-cbs.jpg

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:40 (seven years ago) link

Actually, the shrill vocals seem very surprising paired with this music.

do threadbans exist can I be banned from this thread for my own good

joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:40 (seven years ago) link

this band reminds me of the owl city guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7HmzwI67ec

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:56 (seven years ago) link

its really not necessary to make fun of these guys for looking like normal guys since their dull, labored-over music should rly provide sufficient ammunition.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:05 (seven years ago) link

I am admittedly a very casual metal listener, but Sunbather has really grabbed me.

It's ok bro, this record is for people like you.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:14 (seven years ago) link

Can I just post this picture of Bosse-De-Nage?

http://i58.tinypic.com/1z1bvp1.jpg

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:18 (seven years ago) link

ghost of bizarro Pete Seeger to thread

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:21 (seven years ago) link

Blackened Flagpole Sitta

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:23 (seven years ago) link

as 'this kind of thing' goes, I can't find any photos of Neige Morte that do their look justice, but when I saw them the singer was wearing boat shoes and no socks. I wouldn't have minded but I'd just been to see Immortal

wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:24 (seven years ago) link

TBH these Sunbather dudes just look like co-presidents of the Death In June fan club, USA division.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:26 (seven years ago) link

Do you guys look "metal" yourselves or do you just demand this of your metal musicians?

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:27 (seven years ago) link

I look like Don Knotts in a black commando sweater and a porkpie hat with a Katatonia patch sewed to it.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:29 (seven years ago) link

To be clear, I voted for this album. I just think they look funny, in a funny kinda way.

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:30 (seven years ago) link

One of the worst things in the 77 imo, turned off at the first egregious quiet-loud

Battles, "Atlas" 29 Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe" 14 (imago), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:40 (seven years ago) link

if anyone wants to listen to an actual good usbm record from last year with some crossover potential try out woe's withdrawal. the main guy in woe also looks like just a guy, if that's a concern at all.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:44 (seven years ago) link

You'd have to be deaf to want to listen to this band! Hahahaha

, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:46 (seven years ago) link

I think I give up trying to get people to check out metal since metalheads do their damned best to put people off.

treeship if you ever want recommendations feel free to webmail me or if you're on fb gimme those details. Always happy to chat about any music.

۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:18 (seven years ago) link

If people check out Deafheaven and it leads them to get into Weakling or Ludicra or something, great. But compromise-metal just inherently gets on my nerves.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:27 (seven years ago) link

the singer in this band screams a lot.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:32 (seven years ago) link

Lantlos! That is the best post-rock-black-metal there is, mainly because the post-rock used is of the earlier, Talk Talk-ian kind. Love their album .neon.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:35 (seven years ago) link

I dug this album, Treeship, my man. I'm not sure yet, but it might even be in my top 10.

It's unfortunate the 'black metal' label has stuck. I guess nobody else can do shrieking vocals except black metallers. Yet it can't all be just about the music, right? Or can it? Isn't most metal now just riddled with contradictions and hundreds of little factions with their own thing that all of it essentially means nothing now? I didn't think people still argued over metal.

I remember metal fans tending to be worst than English modernists when it comes to labelling, with their fervent desire to categorise music.

I guess since I like Deafheaven, I'm just driven by the wrong ideology, lack that radical individualism, and am entrenched in a mainstream group identity/herd mentality. Metal just has too many sophisticated subgenres and subcultures, man. I.e., rules. I can't judge it because I'm just a casual listener. I'll leave that to true metal listeners.

But what do I know. I guess I can't tell what I like. Can a true black metaller recommend some basement-studio, genre-crossing metal that still keeps it real...yo? Oh, sorry, that's hip hop. I'm such a dilettante. Hihihi!

Anyway, the theatrics have always put me off. So has the Peter Pan syndrome a lot of these dudes have.

I remember in secondary some guys would get magazines with build-your-own-church-to-set-fire pages and my internal laugh would echo as strongly as blast beats.

Who says those who listen to Deafheaven even want to listen to an 'actual good USBM' album? LOL.

Kthksbye. Gonna work on this http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Black-Metal-Vocals

c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:35 (seven years ago) link

that's a shame you get put off. The whole reason I run metal poll at eoy time is to introduce everyone on ilx who can be bothered reading it to good metal of all kinds. Hardly anyone contributes on the rollout thread though. Lack of interest or fear of being shot down?

Maybe I'm wasting my time?

۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:41 (seven years ago) link

who says those who read ilx want to read a nine-paragraph crimsonhexagon post about anything, lol

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:52 (seven years ago) link

@۩, Oh, I listen to some recommendations here. I appreciate that. And some I like. But that's as far as I'll go. I can't be bothered to shoot down bands like Deafheaven (or replace this band with whatever equivalent in another music 'genre').

All of us listen to music differently, right?

I've hung out with metalheads since I was a kid. I remember tabbing out Old Man's Child crap for some of them. I've played music with some. Even when I stopped playing music a couple of years ago, I was around some metal musicians. I'll just clarify the obvious, just in case: a lot of them are great people, but they are also much older and have diverse musical tastes.

Young kids have always been very set in their opinions. I am much older now and don't really discuss music the way I used to when I was a kid. I'm into more cultural and historical overviews. Identifying with a musical culture is not something I do or desire now. I'd rather study it on my own time.

I played music for a little more than half of my life. If there is one thing I was always put off by, it was the theatrics of performing. That's just my thing, though.

The people I would talk to when I was a kid were trading Dimmu Borgir tapes, as well as crust punk stuff. I always felt more welcomed by those who preferred the latter. It might've just been the time and place. But again, for me, music is not about being accepted into a group of people. I can listen to one album, then switch to something completely different. I have friends who listen to totally different styles of music. The consequence of this is that your life becomes compartmentalised. I can't have all of them in the same room, because I'm sure some would despise others.

The only metal friends I've tried to get involved in other realms of my life are those who like stuff like Opeth.

Anyway, thanks for your honest reply and, again, I appreciate your recommendations, ۩.

c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:09 (seven years ago) link

This got to #10 in the metal poll so plenty of metal dudes like it. Think the vocals are a bit weak but it's a good record that obv overlaps with the postrock/ shoegaze crowd. Plenty more music around like that: Alcest, Les Discrets, Drudkh, Lantlos, Nachtvorst, Arsaidh, Bosse de Nage, Westering, Kultura Kureniya, etc.

Siegbran, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:12 (seven years ago) link

If people check out Deafheaven and it leads them to get into Weakling or Ludicra or something, great. But compromise-metal just inherently gets on my nerves.

― atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, February 1, 2014 4:27 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why? Deafheaven wanted to make an album that sounded like Sunbather not one that was more orthodox black metal, either in sound or spirit. How is this a compromise? If you don't like the way they integrate bm sounds into their music that's fine -- it's a critical judgment -- but your reaction to them just seems territorial.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:30 (seven years ago) link

it def it territorial, and i don't think that's great. but i also don't think it's great when ppl are actively avoiding the context that surrounds and creates something like deafheaven.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:46 (seven years ago) link

worst sin they committed (to metalheads) and also simultaneously most genius PR move is the album art

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:50 (seven years ago) link

i think that's actually the only distinctive thing about them tho, afaict

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:51 (seven years ago) link

the album art is awesome! and i kinda liked judah. the music on this one just didn't work for me.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:52 (seven years ago) link

ya its cool it just looks like something gr80 would listen to u know

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:56 (seven years ago) link

balearic metal

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:56 (seven years ago) link

If you don't like the way they integrate bm sounds into their music that's fine -- it's a critical judgment -- but your reaction to them just seems territorial.

I just find this "let's take one or two elements of metal and glom them onto some shitty, dull post rock/shoegaze" thing grating. It's not good metal and it's not good post rock; if the only creative innovation is blending two things together poorly, why bother?

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:38 (seven years ago) link

It's very good post-rock!

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:44 (seven years ago) link

I'm convinced and rescind all prior arguments.

Also I do actually like the cover.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:45 (seven years ago) link

I bet you can mention more worthy BM than PR from the last few years. Sunbather put some agression and energy into the mix, and it's the best post-rock in eons, with the possible exception of the last GYBE.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:46 (seven years ago) link

i'd like to try with this band again, but the scream-o vocal style is really off-putting for me. is there anything that tones-down the yelling, or is especially accessible and hook-y (maybe that's an alternative way to approach deafheaven, if it's all scream-o vocals).

yes, i know; i'm super-duper old, and should probably be listening to paul anka.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:46 (seven years ago) link

Don't worry, their next album will probably feature some daring experimentation with clean vocals. Album after that you'll never know they were a metal band at all.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:50 (seven years ago) link

oh I'd guess their one-sheets will make liberal use of the word "metal"

I usually love mimsy pseudo-metal usually but these guys take Envy and Wolves in the Throne Room and make it into something of a shitstain. Poor man's Alcest and that's being really fucking generous.

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 2 February 2014 02:26 (seven years ago) link

idk if theres a joke behind yr dn i'm not getting, but i enjoy it regardless

call all destroyer, Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:51 (seven years ago) link

ban cad; ki-moon

Battles, "Atlas" 29 Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe" 14 (imago), Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:52 (seven years ago) link

This sounds like Alcest, but not as good. Still like it though

Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Friday, 20 August 2021 21:39 (three months ago) link

it's pretty easily my favourite but that's because they've double down on the parts of their sound that i liked & moved away from the parts that were less my thing (the screaming, mostly)

ufo, Friday, 20 August 2021 21:41 (three months ago) link

this is so much better than their false black metal ... everybody OTM, excellent album

Brad C., Friday, 20 August 2021 23:05 (three months ago) link

dig the album but i love when they go black metal. thankfully the new WITTR album was also released today so i get my fill

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Saturday, 21 August 2021 04:24 (three months ago) link

Unsurprisingly I love this, very much getting "the American Alcest" vibes

― a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Friday, August 20, 2021 3:09 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

my take was going to be 'the new lantlos is better' but hm maybe ... it isn't

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 21 August 2021 12:38 (three months ago) link

I loooove "Lament for Wasps". The layering in the second half, so good.

jmm, Saturday, 21 August 2021 13:41 (three months ago) link

looking around online this album seems to have really alienated a lot of previous fans. shame, they're missing out

ufo, Monday, 23 August 2021 04:32 (three months ago) link

p4k has turned on them just as they've become even more p4k-like.

pomenitul, Monday, 23 August 2021 12:51 (three months ago) link

???? this is one of the best rock albums i’ve ever heard jfc

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 23 August 2021 14:06 (three months ago) link

i can understand fans being disappointed it's a change in sound from the previous distinctive thing they were doing but i feel like if you were super into that sound you should likely also be super into this heavier-end-of-shoegaze sound anyway so it just seems like they're not really engaging with it on its terms and are just frustrated it's different idk

album keeps reminding me of the end of paramore's "future", guess that's jmj's touch

ufo, Monday, 23 August 2021 14:45 (three months ago) link

this is pretty boring to my ears. bog standard shoe gaze which at this point, please, do something interesting.

akm, Monday, 23 August 2021 15:31 (three months ago) link

not much shoegaze has drums this great. it's not the most original thing in the world, sure, but they've carved out a very enjoyable little niche here as brad described earlier & the production is immaculate. if this was some new band i'd be shocked that a new shoegaze band could make something this good.

ufo, Monday, 23 August 2021 15:48 (three months ago) link

yeah the drums and songcraft make this stand out so much to me. i’ve heard bog standard shoegaze, cf. pity sex, this is a billion times more realized

and the p r o d u c t i o n

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 23 August 2021 16:20 (three months ago) link

given that "why would music need to be heavier than 'Black Metallic'?" was the question that kept me away from metal for far too long, feels like I should hear this

the adventures of pavlo and schrödis (geoffreyess), Monday, 23 August 2021 16:28 (three months ago) link

the p4k review is disappointing... I don't understand how these guys got to be a black metal touchstone in the first place, but it's sad to downgrade their best-sounding album because they've outgrown some unconvincing gestures ... especially sad because the last track, "Mombasa," uses their black metal mode very well

Brad C., Monday, 23 August 2021 16:41 (three months ago) link

Angry Metal Guy #314208 got into metal via Deafheaven, is now angry they've changed:

https://www.angrymetalguy.com/deafheaven-infinite-granite-review/

pomenitul, Monday, 23 August 2021 16:47 (three months ago) link

the p4k review even admits that it would be an excellent debut album from a different band so it just comes across as disappointed they've changed

ufo, Monday, 23 August 2021 16:50 (three months ago) link

ppl who are disappointed in this record bc there are only a few black metal screams are all posers

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 23 August 2021 17:12 (three months ago) link

all of them

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 23 August 2021 17:12 (three months ago) link

otm

pomenitul, Monday, 23 August 2021 17:17 (three months ago) link

I’m listening to the catalogue to see if anything’s budged, and overall my feeling is that they get a little better on every album. The first two albums don't really work for me; there's a lot of drift and build-up, but the emotional exploration never feels that interesting to me. There's a tightness and shadowiness to New Bermuda that suggests something more complex. OCHL is playful, restless, and full of cool ideas. Infinite Granite is just a very well-executed turn, and conveys a lot of what I liked in previous albums in more concise form.

jmm, Monday, 23 August 2021 18:04 (three months ago) link

The bass player is secret MVP on this record. Rhythm section is key to making the songs move.

o. nate, Monday, 23 August 2021 19:18 (three months ago) link

p4k will give it a 9.0 in ten years on the reissue

gman59, Monday, 23 August 2021 21:16 (three months ago) link

guess I'm a poseur? I think the album is good, and notably because the drumming, but yeah I liked the black metal bits. the best parts of this album to me are when they do reach back a little into that bag. I like this but still miss more of those bits. If that makes me a poseur, so be it I guess.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Monday, 23 August 2021 22:06 (three months ago) link

listen i think what i’m mostly saying is that the way they enfolded the metal parts of their sound into this continuum of subtle gradations is actually more metal to me than a black metal scream

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 23 August 2021 22:15 (three months ago) link

i like the screams way more when they're used sparingly like on this album, they have much more impact. when they're the only vocal mode they're just kinda distracting texturally, especially in the blackgaze context where there's usually a significant contrast with the pretty guitars. i never found that to be really compelling & it also reduces the points of interest for me when there's not any other melodic content from the guitars.

ufo, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 03:26 (three months ago) link

but that's just "i'm not really huge on black metal"

ufo, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 03:26 (three months ago) link

I also am not big on the style of black metal that Deafheaven originally became known for. I much prefer the type of metal that is closer to goth rock, like In Solitude or Tribulation. To me it sounds like Deafheaven have moved more in that direction while keeping some of the shoegaze elements.

o. nate, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 13:42 (three months ago) link

Deafheaven couldn't have gotten much worse, so I'm willing to believe they've gotten better

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 13:49 (three months ago) link

Kind of impressive that this band still makes people so angry even 8 years after Sunbather.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 13:54 (three months ago) link

In many ways they're like The Strokes, only they finally turned into something worth listening to

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 14:25 (three months ago) link

i guess the strokes also put out their best record five albums in? but otherwise the comparison makes no sense

ufo, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 01:55 (three months ago) link

i'm listening to alcest for the first time in ages now to compare & he's way better at making the black metal screams work in the shoegaze context than deafheaven ever were before even if his drums are nowhere near as cool

ufo, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 02:51 (three months ago) link

on further listening any given three minutes of the new lantlos is better but the new deafheaven is better sequenced and the ending is sick as all heck

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 25 August 2021 14:11 (three months ago) link

never got into their previous stuff but this is good

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 15:38 (three months ago) link

Seriously, just pipe Mombasa straight into my veins.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 27 August 2021 20:44 (three months ago) link

By and by, I wonder if Ride are the most obvious touchstone for this record. With better drumming (some of the pedal work is a joy).

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 27 August 2021 20:59 (three months ago) link

This is my first time with this band, I dig it.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 02:26 (three months ago) link

this is better than any ride album but there's not much of a trace of their blown-out jangle pop side of shoegaze here

ufo, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 05:05 (three months ago) link

Kind of getting a Tears for Fears vibe on "In Blur".

o. nate, Friday, 3 September 2021 20:09 (two months ago) link

'better than any Ride album' is fighting talk

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Friday, 3 September 2021 20:12 (two months ago) link

as much as going blank again rules, this certainly outdoes it

ufo, Saturday, 4 September 2021 00:48 (two months ago) link

oh god OKAY i'll put it on today

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Saturday, 4 September 2021 09:02 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Came here to say “wow, Deafheaven made a great Ride album!” Cos they did.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:16 (one month ago) link

This is awesome. Liking it more and more.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 8 October 2021 20:12 (one month ago) link

they made an alcest album

Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Friday, 8 October 2021 21:08 (one month ago) link

I should check out Alcest then.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 8 October 2021 21:30 (one month ago) link

you should actually. They only really had one black metal EP (Le Secret) so anything after that shouldn't put you off really.

Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Friday, 8 October 2021 21:31 (one month ago) link

they made a goth Alcest album, to be more precise

alpine static, Friday, 8 October 2021 22:28 (one month ago) link

this feels more distinct from alcest than their earlier work did

ufo, Friday, 8 October 2021 22:33 (one month ago) link


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