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I know they've been discussed elsewhere, but I think Deafheaven could use their own thread. I am admittedly a very casual metal listener, but Sunbather has really grabbed me. Not sure "black metal" is the best genre tag for it though, as the music is warm and enveloping and the overall vibe of the thing has nothing to do with coldness and hatred. Actually, the shrill vocals seem very surprising paired with this music. I don't know why it works but it does.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:15 (seven years ago) link

Road to Judah is pretty great as well.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:48 (seven years ago) link

none more false

adam, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:20 (seven years ago) link

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/04/30/deafheaven20131-caf771c53e5f8ec296d331fa960c778f8a29a48c-s6-c30.jpg

they look like they work for teach for america

adam, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:22 (seven years ago) link

hahaha maybe wait until their second record, imagine if we had a liturgy thread

*searches* oh

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:27 (seven years ago) link

Both Deafheaven and Liturgy broke through on their second records...

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 16:36 (seven years ago) link

They just look like two guys. Maybe a little more vampiric than average but still. Xpost

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:27 (seven years ago) link

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/cast-of-person-of-interest-cbs.jpg

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:40 (seven years ago) link

Actually, the shrill vocals seem very surprising paired with this music.

do threadbans exist can I be banned from this thread for my own good

joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:40 (seven years ago) link

this band reminds me of the owl city guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7HmzwI67ec

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:56 (seven years ago) link

its really not necessary to make fun of these guys for looking like normal guys since their dull, labored-over music should rly provide sufficient ammunition.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:05 (seven years ago) link

I am admittedly a very casual metal listener, but Sunbather has really grabbed me.

It's ok bro, this record is for people like you.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:14 (seven years ago) link

Can I just post this picture of Bosse-De-Nage?

http://i58.tinypic.com/1z1bvp1.jpg

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:18 (seven years ago) link

ghost of bizarro Pete Seeger to thread

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:21 (seven years ago) link

Blackened Flagpole Sitta

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:23 (seven years ago) link

as 'this kind of thing' goes, I can't find any photos of Neige Morte that do their look justice, but when I saw them the singer was wearing boat shoes and no socks. I wouldn't have minded but I'd just been to see Immortal

wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:24 (seven years ago) link

TBH these Sunbather dudes just look like co-presidents of the Death In June fan club, USA division.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:26 (seven years ago) link

Do you guys look "metal" yourselves or do you just demand this of your metal musicians?

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:27 (seven years ago) link

I look like Don Knotts in a black commando sweater and a porkpie hat with a Katatonia patch sewed to it.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:29 (seven years ago) link

To be clear, I voted for this album. I just think they look funny, in a funny kinda way.

MV, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:30 (seven years ago) link

One of the worst things in the 77 imo, turned off at the first egregious quiet-loud

Battles, "Atlas" 29 Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe" 14 (imago), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:40 (seven years ago) link

if anyone wants to listen to an actual good usbm record from last year with some crossover potential try out woe's withdrawal. the main guy in woe also looks like just a guy, if that's a concern at all.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:44 (seven years ago) link

You'd have to be deaf to want to listen to this band! Hahahaha

, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:46 (seven years ago) link

I think I give up trying to get people to check out metal since metalheads do their damned best to put people off.

treeship if you ever want recommendations feel free to webmail me or if you're on fb gimme those details. Always happy to chat about any music.

۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:18 (seven years ago) link

If people check out Deafheaven and it leads them to get into Weakling or Ludicra or something, great. But compromise-metal just inherently gets on my nerves.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:27 (seven years ago) link

the singer in this band screams a lot.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:32 (seven years ago) link

Lantlos! That is the best post-rock-black-metal there is, mainly because the post-rock used is of the earlier, Talk Talk-ian kind. Love their album .neon.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:35 (seven years ago) link

I dug this album, Treeship, my man. I'm not sure yet, but it might even be in my top 10.

It's unfortunate the 'black metal' label has stuck. I guess nobody else can do shrieking vocals except black metallers. Yet it can't all be just about the music, right? Or can it? Isn't most metal now just riddled with contradictions and hundreds of little factions with their own thing that all of it essentially means nothing now? I didn't think people still argued over metal.

I remember metal fans tending to be worst than English modernists when it comes to labelling, with their fervent desire to categorise music.

I guess since I like Deafheaven, I'm just driven by the wrong ideology, lack that radical individualism, and am entrenched in a mainstream group identity/herd mentality. Metal just has too many sophisticated subgenres and subcultures, man. I.e., rules. I can't judge it because I'm just a casual listener. I'll leave that to true metal listeners.

But what do I know. I guess I can't tell what I like. Can a true black metaller recommend some basement-studio, genre-crossing metal that still keeps it real...yo? Oh, sorry, that's hip hop. I'm such a dilettante. Hihihi!

Anyway, the theatrics have always put me off. So has the Peter Pan syndrome a lot of these dudes have.

I remember in secondary some guys would get magazines with build-your-own-church-to-set-fire pages and my internal laugh would echo as strongly as blast beats.

Who says those who listen to Deafheaven even want to listen to an 'actual good USBM' album? LOL.

Kthksbye. Gonna work on this http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Black-Metal-Vocals

c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:35 (seven years ago) link

that's a shame you get put off. The whole reason I run metal poll at eoy time is to introduce everyone on ilx who can be bothered reading it to good metal of all kinds. Hardly anyone contributes on the rollout thread though. Lack of interest or fear of being shot down?

Maybe I'm wasting my time?

۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:41 (seven years ago) link

who says those who read ilx want to read a nine-paragraph crimsonhexagon post about anything, lol

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:52 (seven years ago) link

@۩, Oh, I listen to some recommendations here. I appreciate that. And some I like. But that's as far as I'll go. I can't be bothered to shoot down bands like Deafheaven (or replace this band with whatever equivalent in another music 'genre').

All of us listen to music differently, right?

I've hung out with metalheads since I was a kid. I remember tabbing out Old Man's Child crap for some of them. I've played music with some. Even when I stopped playing music a couple of years ago, I was around some metal musicians. I'll just clarify the obvious, just in case: a lot of them are great people, but they are also much older and have diverse musical tastes.

Young kids have always been very set in their opinions. I am much older now and don't really discuss music the way I used to when I was a kid. I'm into more cultural and historical overviews. Identifying with a musical culture is not something I do or desire now. I'd rather study it on my own time.

I played music for a little more than half of my life. If there is one thing I was always put off by, it was the theatrics of performing. That's just my thing, though.

The people I would talk to when I was a kid were trading Dimmu Borgir tapes, as well as crust punk stuff. I always felt more welcomed by those who preferred the latter. It might've just been the time and place. But again, for me, music is not about being accepted into a group of people. I can listen to one album, then switch to something completely different. I have friends who listen to totally different styles of music. The consequence of this is that your life becomes compartmentalised. I can't have all of them in the same room, because I'm sure some would despise others.

The only metal friends I've tried to get involved in other realms of my life are those who like stuff like Opeth.

Anyway, thanks for your honest reply and, again, I appreciate your recommendations, ۩.

c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:09 (seven years ago) link

This got to #10 in the metal poll so plenty of metal dudes like it. Think the vocals are a bit weak but it's a good record that obv overlaps with the postrock/ shoegaze crowd. Plenty more music around like that: Alcest, Les Discrets, Drudkh, Lantlos, Nachtvorst, Arsaidh, Bosse de Nage, Westering, Kultura Kureniya, etc.

Siegbran, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:12 (seven years ago) link

If people check out Deafheaven and it leads them to get into Weakling or Ludicra or something, great. But compromise-metal just inherently gets on my nerves.

― atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, February 1, 2014 4:27 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why? Deafheaven wanted to make an album that sounded like Sunbather not one that was more orthodox black metal, either in sound or spirit. How is this a compromise? If you don't like the way they integrate bm sounds into their music that's fine -- it's a critical judgment -- but your reaction to them just seems territorial.

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:30 (seven years ago) link

it def it territorial, and i don't think that's great. but i also don't think it's great when ppl are actively avoiding the context that surrounds and creates something like deafheaven.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:46 (seven years ago) link

worst sin they committed (to metalheads) and also simultaneously most genius PR move is the album art

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:50 (seven years ago) link

i think that's actually the only distinctive thing about them tho, afaict

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:51 (seven years ago) link

the album art is awesome! and i kinda liked judah. the music on this one just didn't work for me.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:52 (seven years ago) link

ya its cool it just looks like something gr80 would listen to u know

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:56 (seven years ago) link

balearic metal

flopson, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:56 (seven years ago) link

If you don't like the way they integrate bm sounds into their music that's fine -- it's a critical judgment -- but your reaction to them just seems territorial.

I just find this "let's take one or two elements of metal and glom them onto some shitty, dull post rock/shoegaze" thing grating. It's not good metal and it's not good post rock; if the only creative innovation is blending two things together poorly, why bother?

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:38 (seven years ago) link

It's very good post-rock!

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:44 (seven years ago) link

I'm convinced and rescind all prior arguments.

Also I do actually like the cover.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:45 (seven years ago) link

I bet you can mention more worthy BM than PR from the last few years. Sunbather put some agression and energy into the mix, and it's the best post-rock in eons, with the possible exception of the last GYBE.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:46 (seven years ago) link

i'd like to try with this band again, but the scream-o vocal style is really off-putting for me. is there anything that tones-down the yelling, or is especially accessible and hook-y (maybe that's an alternative way to approach deafheaven, if it's all scream-o vocals).

yes, i know; i'm super-duper old, and should probably be listening to paul anka.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:46 (seven years ago) link

Don't worry, their next album will probably feature some daring experimentation with clean vocals. Album after that you'll never know they were a metal band at all.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:50 (seven years ago) link

oh I'd guess their one-sheets will make liberal use of the word "metal"

I usually love mimsy pseudo-metal usually but these guys take Envy and Wolves in the Throne Room and make it into something of a shitstain. Poor man's Alcest and that's being really fucking generous.

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 2 February 2014 02:26 (seven years ago) link

idk if theres a joke behind yr dn i'm not getting, but i enjoy it regardless

call all destroyer, Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:51 (seven years ago) link

ban cad; ki-moon

Battles, "Atlas" 29 Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe" 14 (imago), Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:52 (seven years ago) link

lol

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 14:32 (three years ago) link

Wow "Canary Yellow" is great. Loving both of these. Hell yeah.

gman59, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 20:35 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

these songs are long

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:45 (two years ago) link

on the bright side the first song is hilarious

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:47 (two years ago) link

this might be the first time i'm fully onboard with deafheaven! these songs are all ridiculous

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:55 (two years ago) link

They fully embraced their corny aspects on this one and it's a good look

Simon H., Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:58 (two years ago) link

it really is!

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:05 (two years ago) link

shouts out to "near" which pretty much could've been on last year's slowdive record

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:15 (two years ago) link

hell yeah. just played through it for the first time. everything I wanted and more. "You Without End" really is their most over the top yet. I also like "Near" a lot, "Worthless Animal" too and the Chelsea Wolfe track stood out. fuck, I just love this whole album.

gman59, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:31 (two years ago) link

Enjoying this a lot. "Glint" is standing out for me.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 6 July 2018 13:09 (two years ago) link

v happy that this arrived when it did

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 8 July 2018 07:52 (two years ago) link

on and on we choke on

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 8 July 2018 08:19 (two years ago) link

this is dull as heck as per

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:01 (two years ago) link

you can have 1,000 hooks sections but if the song is insipid glurge they don't matter

the slowdive one is nice tho

lowercase (eric), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:08 (two years ago) link

y’all have cotton in your ears and tar in your hearts

princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:11 (two years ago) link

fair

lowercase (eric), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:13 (two years ago) link

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:17 (two years ago) link

I feel like I'm hearing a lot of Radiohead in this. That thing at 2:13 in Canary Yellow.

jmm, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:28 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

starts off sound a lot like the end of "Layla"

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:03 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i really really like this album but i rarely listen to it as an album—i keep getting stuck on particular songs and just listen to them over and over. first canary yellow, then honeycomb, now worthless animal

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:23 (two years ago) link

i was really surprised and impressed with their live show as well. way over-the-top and entertaining without taking themselves too seriously

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:25 (two years ago) link

Yeah these guys were great when I saw them recently. Great fun show.

mikethegrouch, Thursday, 16 August 2018 18:30 (two years ago) link

I did an interview in person when the band played Philly last month. I found George to be open and engaging, not guarded at all, which considering how polarizing the band is, I kind of expected. He was especially proud of the touring package of hand-picked support. The show was phenomenal.

http://www.invisibleoranges.com/deafheaven-interview/

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:19 (two years ago) link

i appreciated how the singer would rock the fuck out no matter how quiet or slow the song was at that particular section

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:27 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

this is their best album but the drummer constantly playing the same fill is grating

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:43 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

new album out in august. first single is elusively kicking around, apparently a bit of a departure

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

wish they'd depart completely tbh

imago, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 16:49 (two weeks ago) link

i'm really sorry that you are being forced to listen to them against your will imago, that sucks

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 16:52 (two weeks ago) link

I must admit I still think about the phrase "pompous drums" every time I listen to them

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 16:54 (two weeks ago) link

lol sorry

imago, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 16:55 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK300gUp04c

they've ditched the pompous drums!

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 03:31 (two weeks ago) link

they're just a normal shoegaze band now i guess and better for it

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 03:31 (two weeks ago) link

Nice tune

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 03:54 (two weeks ago) link

They’ve turned into Alcest and I, for one, couldn’t be happier

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 10:56 (two weeks ago) link

ok this song rules, the great justin meldal-johnson on the boards as well apparently

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 12:16 (two weeks ago) link

that's always a great sign

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 12:36 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, this is really good.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 13:56 (two weeks ago) link

Kerry McCoy is a badass

alpine static, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

ah yes this sounds great

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

I like this song because it doesn't trade any of dfvhn's complexity or experimenting for the sake of a new sound. It's unmistakably Deafheaven, even from the early chords. I'm really interested to see where this goes.

yeah but how, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

This new one is great. Glad someone championed these guys on ilm so many years ago.

treeship., Monday, 14 June 2021 00:56 (one week ago) link

they've ditched the pompous drums!

the drums were literally the best part about this band, by a country mile!

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 14 June 2021 01:38 (one week ago) link

that said, this is a good tune. stoked for people to write "metal is growing, and growth sometimes means not playing metal any more, but it's gatekeeping if they don't headline Roadburn"

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 14 June 2021 01:42 (one week ago) link

Great song. It feels very carefully pieced together.

jmm, Monday, 14 June 2021 14:51 (one week ago) link

Idk if changing the framework from metal to shoegaze is growth? What is the end point here? Elevator music?

It's different and there's nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't call it growth when they're shedding some of the qualities that made them distinct in the first place, like the pompous drums.

braised cod, Monday, 14 June 2021 16:10 (one week ago) link

also it implies metal is juvenile, something you grow out of

braised cod, Monday, 14 June 2021 16:55 (one week ago) link

Has anyone actually described this in terms of growth or are we still getting mad at an imagined future review?

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 14 June 2021 16:57 (one week ago) link

Not to my knowledge. Sorry. I didn't intend to preach to the choir, but it seems exactly what I did.

braised cod, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:46 (one week ago) link

the less it sounds like deafheaven the more growth there's been imo

imago, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 11:58 (one week ago) link


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