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Long overdue. I'm torn between Hosianna Mantra and Aguirre, but so many of these are great. Some days, this is my platonic ideal of what a rock (read: non jazz) group should be. That said, there are a few of these I haven't heard, and I'm curious to see if anyone reps for the any of the later ones.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
In Den Gärten Pharaos (1971) 10
Hosianna Mantra (1972) 7
Aguirre (1975) 7
Heart Of Glass (1977) 5
Letze Tage - Letze Nächt (1976) 5
Einsjäger & Siebenjäger (1974) 5
Das Hohelied Salomos (1975) 3
Sei still, wisse ICH BIN (1981) 3
Brüder Des Schattens - Söhne Des Lichts (1978) 2
Affenstunde (1970) 1
Messa Di Orfeo (1999) 1
Shepherd's Symphony (1997) 0
City Raga (1995) 0
Florian Fricke Plays Mozart (1992) 0
For You and Me (1991) 0
Cobra Verde (1987) 0
Spirit of Peace (1985) 0
Agape - Agape Love - Love (1983) 0
Fitzcarraldo (1982) 0
Seligpreisung (1973) 0
Die Nacht Der Seele - Tantric Songs (1979) 0
Yoga (1976) 0
Nosferatu (1978) 0


Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 3 January 2014 03:21 (eight years ago) link

And yes, I already wish I'd titled this thread PoPOLL Vuh.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 3 January 2014 03:22 (eight years ago) link

what were you thinking

I guess I wasn't.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 3 January 2014 03:48 (eight years ago) link

more like popol poo amirite

the late great, Friday, 3 January 2014 04:07 (eight years ago) link

messa di orfeo is a decent late record.

fit and working again, Friday, 3 January 2014 05:59 (eight years ago) link

nosferatu is really boring, post-that is especially dire, check out "sei still wisse ich bin" if you don't believe

― the late great, Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:11 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

voted "sei still wisse ich bin"

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:34 (eight years ago) link

kind of feel like my favorite popol vuh album is whichever one i've listened to most recently... but not sure if I should vote Das Hohelied Salomos! It is really great though. hmmm.

tylerw, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:40 (eight years ago) link

having trouble choosing
i really love all of their phases and feel attached to them equally
this is why i can't vote

i could explain in florid detail why i like each one, but that's too much typing!!

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:41 (eight years ago) link

At the risk of sounding precious, I can't really think of them in a "that album is better than that album" way - though I obv. do think some are better than others, uh, does that make any sense?

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:42 (eight years ago) link

yeah that's basically how I feel. I think. I haven't heard any of those 90s records tho. good stuff?

tylerw, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:45 (eight years ago) link

Hmmmmmm, not really. "For Me and You" is nice in places. And, as mentioned, "Messa di Orfeo" is decent.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:46 (eight years ago) link

yeah that makes sense.
i haven't heard the 90s albums either. i have taken a zen approach to running into new pv when i need it and it's working pretty well. maybe i will see a used cd of one of those somewhere and then i'll buy it.

i just keep thinking of reasons to vote for each one and they are all good reasons imo

should i vote for my first because it was the one that enchanted me?
should i vote for the one that needs me?
should i vote for the one i can't even listen to around other people because it is so emotional?
should i vote for the one that i was listening to when i had a transcendent experience in a plant conservatory?

so many options

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:46 (eight years ago) link

tempted to go with heart of glass, but man, I don't know!

original bgm, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:03 (eight years ago) link

that's one of the covers i used in the flyer i have yet to hang anywhere
i figure that if someone recognizes that cover and has positive associations, we have at least one thing in common

also i love the image
the movie is good but not herzog's among greatest, but the book about the movie is highly entertaining

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:10 (eight years ago) link

man of course i screwed that up
oh well

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:10 (eight years ago) link

i have high hopes for this poll; i need Definitive PV Shopping List.

nerve_pylon, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:27 (eight years ago) link

what have you heard?

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:27 (eight years ago) link

what i mean to ask is what type pf pv is your current basis for wanting more

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:29 (eight years ago) link

mostly scattershot willy-nilly homemade comps (ye olde cassettes!)... but i know i love Salomos and Glass

nerve_pylon, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:34 (eight years ago) link

ok, you need LT-LN
that is my prescription

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:39 (eight years ago) link

TOP 5 (MOST LISTENT TO) POPOL VUH ALBUMS IN NO ORDER:

In Den Gärten Pharaos (1971)
Hosianna Mantra (1972)
Letze Tage - Letze Nächt (1976)
Heart Of Glass (1977)
Brüder Des Schattens - Söhne Des Lichts (1978)

ian, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:46 (eight years ago) link

hell of a band imo, but looking at this list i realize i've heard VERY LITTLE of the post-78 material.

ian, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:47 (eight years ago) link

very hard proposition. My Danny vote is for Herz aus Glas, my Florian vote is for Bruder des Schattens, but Hosianna and Einsjager have both been climbing in the ranks lately. And LT-LN is unbeatable in its way. Bruder is probably the most emotional for me. And side A of Einsjager. While Herz speaks to me as a guitarist the most. And "Aguirre" (the track) sits by itself being this monstrous beauty.

ian you need sei stille

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:50 (eight years ago) link

Never totally understood the love for LT - LN. I mean, it's good, but...

As for later albums, I can tell you quite definitively that City Raga is tough. As in, tough to listen to.

I do not know Sei Stille! I should correct this immediately I guess.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 3 January 2014 19:04 (eight years ago) link

that's my favorite to sing along to

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 19:09 (eight years ago) link

this thread needs some visual assistance

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7344/9875112824_ef41972025.jpg

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:20 (eight years ago) link

anyone here actually read the popol vuh book? you know, the mayan one?

tylerw, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:25 (eight years ago) link

i have it in spanish but i only read a few pages because the print is really small!

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:28 (eight years ago) link

voted Einsjäger but really there are five or six others I like just as well

Brad C., Friday, 3 January 2014 20:29 (eight years ago) link

voted affenstunde cause the early stuff has been sounding better to me in the past year than ever before

69, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:30 (eight years ago) link

the Popol Vuh orchestral composition by Ginastera is really good btw, in the 20th century "composers from various nations do their own stab at the Rite of Spring" sweepstakes

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:48 (eight years ago) link

voting garten, despite my love for the later more characteristic stuff. it was the first i heard and it still sounds to me like one of the greatest musical recordings ever made whenever i listen to it.

fit and working again, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:59 (eight years ago) link

Cast my vote for Einsjäger & Siebenjäger today. Could pick another one for every other day of the week.

Call the Cops, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:02 (eight years ago) link

who would have thought a humble drummer (sorry any drummers out there!) would turn out to be such an astonishing guitarist?

one of my favorite quotes from ilm. fichelscher is amazing.

fit and working again, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:02 (eight years ago) link

you need sei stille

yes, it is excellent.

fit and working again, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:04 (eight years ago) link

i really like agape-agape for post 78 material
really pretty

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:08 (eight years ago) link

did any of you guys ever hear the weird silly long remix thing Fricke jr did called "Future Sound Experience" or something-- when I joined eMusic in 2004 it was the only thing available there that contained vintage PV material, albeit awkwardly reconfigured.

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:19 (eight years ago) link

yeah -- i was really confused by it for a really long time, but it grew on me

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:20 (eight years ago) link

What is the best Fichelscher record?

grandavis, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:23 (eight years ago) link

whoo
that's a good q

einsjager? herz/glas? lt-ln? all equally transcendent imo

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:32 (eight years ago) link

his drum playing is so hard for me to figure out because of the way they recorded everything
also his sense of rhythm is one of my favorite in all of musics

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:36 (eight years ago) link

Thanks! Have definitely spent time with einsjager and dabbled around some of the other albums but don't know any of them super-well (never owned a copy of any of them).

grandavis, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:39 (eight years ago) link

you'll like it, i promise.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:43 (eight years ago) link

Oh, I have no doubt, I have liked about everything I have heard, but they are just one of those bands I haven't tracked down actual records from yet. I look forward to it, one of many future listening projects to get excited about.

grandavis, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:45 (eight years ago) link

The pun on the title is annoying me so much! It gives me semantic satiation every time I try to read it.

Moka, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:47 (eight years ago) link

Sorry. I'm ok with a mod fixing it, actually. PoPOLL Vuh makes SO much more sense. I was so worried I was going to fuck up the poll by forgetting to italicize a title or something.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:51 (eight years ago) link

slight derail/PSA: if anyone has any fichelscher-style noodling lying around that could use some drums, i would be honored to give it a try. i do feel super weird posting that, but my philosophy is that it might work out better/safer than craigslist or trying to find like-minded people purely by chance. thank you for reading this PSA.

also the title has a spelling error so i agree with fixing it

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:53 (eight years ago) link

LL i will provide this! When I play fingerstyle on my danelectro (ie no pick) i tend to get fichelscherische. I'll send it along with the fear bff overdub I owe you!

xposts my favorite for Danny shreddage is Herz aus Glas. Closely followed by LT-LN. And of course the Amon Duul records he plays on.

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Friday, 3 January 2014 22:27 (eight years ago) link

I need little encouragement to do those little bagpipey pull-off/hammer-on flutters he loves so much

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Friday, 3 January 2014 22:28 (eight years ago) link

Also this (Nosferatu OST) is such a bizarre three headed PV item. You've got eastwest chamber vuh, haunted electronics florian, and majestically strumming Danny all on one platter.

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:42 (eight years ago) link

I might guess that after bruder des schattens was scrapped for the film, fricke went ahead and stitched the new OST together from odds and sods? Or even bibs and bobs?

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:44 (eight years ago) link

How do the Wah Wah vinyl reissues rate, sound wise? I just ordered a few and may get some more.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:35 (eight years ago) link

anyone here actually read the popol vuh book? you know, the mayan one?

― tylerw

I've read the book, but outside of a handful of songs I've only heard the band's soundtrack albums. What's a good starting point for their other work?

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:39 (eight years ago) link

You should hear Heart of Glass or Eins/Siebenjager imo. I think you'd like the Fichelscher-heavy stuff.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:44 (eight years ago) link

Also I think the sound on the reissued LPs is pretty great, but I'm so accustomed to listening via headphones that it was nice to just hear the records being played in a room.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:45 (eight years ago) link

Thanks, milady. Will start with those two.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:46 (eight years ago) link

I guess one of those is a soundtrack album but you should listen to it again.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:50 (eight years ago) link

can someone explain to me the appeal of this band?
is there a chance for a person who don't like Ambient to like them?

nostormo, Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:57 (eight years ago) link

There's a sampler from the spv reissues ineptly titled "70s Progressive Rock" maybe that's a good taster.

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:58 (eight years ago) link

Xpost yes indeed just try the ones LL just named

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 4 January 2014 21:59 (eight years ago) link

is there a chance for a person who don't like Ambient to like them?

yes, because many of their records are not "ambient" -- try anything between 73 and 76 -- i think someone looking for not-ambient PV could find a lot to like in there

again, one of the things that i like most about this band is their use of rhythm even when the rhythmic elements aren't foregrounded. it's difficult (impossible for me) to ignore the role of rhythm in PV, even when it's very very very slow.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 January 2014 22:12 (eight years ago) link

thanks!
xpost

also Letzte Tage, Letzte Nächte: i heard Last Days Last Nights which sounds like Amon Dull only spacier

nostormo, Saturday, 4 January 2014 22:13 (eight years ago) link

Anyone who likes the Fichelscher years and hasn't heard Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee needs to listen to it immediately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4USsLGeadwg

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 January 2014 22:15 (eight years ago) link

About 15 or 20 years ago a bought a big pile of PVuh CDs off a friend (for £2 each!), so I can never remember which album is which as I heard them all at the same time. I just think of them in the same way I think of 1970s Miles Davis, as basically one long song spread over 15 albums or so.

nosferatu is really boring, post-that is especially dire, check out "sei still wisse ich bin" if you don't believe

― the late great, Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:11 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

voted "sei still wisse ich bin"

― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, January 3, 2014 4:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Me too!

bleak strategies (Matt #2), Saturday, 4 January 2014 22:27 (eight years ago) link

That was on Klaus Schulze's label and ran at 45rpm, my copy of it was a terrible pressing iirc.

bleak strategies (Matt #2), Saturday, 4 January 2014 22:28 (eight years ago) link

Hey just wanna say thanks folks, all recs noted and welcome!

grandavis, Saturday, 4 January 2014 23:51 (eight years ago) link

from my little knowledge, i'll vote to Letze Tage:

awesome album that takes the Ash Ra Temple/Amon Duul thing into a new level of proto-dream goth pop.
(Einsjäger & Siebenjäger is too proggy to my taste and i'm not an ambient fan)

nostormo, Sunday, 5 January 2014 22:43 (eight years ago) link

Voted Sei Still, too! It's the most otherworldly to my ears and I think the choral stuff + massive digital reverb is a positive addition to the overall PV aesthetic. Einsjager and Letze Tage came close, though.

liam fennell, Monday, 6 January 2014 12:59 (eight years ago) link

I listen to a ton of Popol Vuh and would love to take more of an active role in this thread, but thinking about their music for me is like trying to recall a dream. I remember experiencing it but beyond the vague feel of it I can't really describe what happened.

tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Monday, 6 January 2014 13:07 (eight years ago) link

Actually I mostly listen to them lying in bed so that might be the reason.

tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Monday, 6 January 2014 13:07 (eight years ago) link

haha

that's what i meant about the headphones vs LPs -- listening to this music in a room with people other than myself present is a pretty new phenomenon.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Monday, 6 January 2014 15:14 (eight years ago) link

kind of shocked how little love Hosianna Mantra is getting. Heart of Glass is my second favorite so I get where you all are coming from, but HM is so incredibly beautiful.

rob, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 02:32 (eight years ago) link

i agree. it was the second album of theirs i heard after garten and remains one of my favorites.

fit and working again, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 04:24 (eight years ago) link

I voted Hosianna!

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 05:54 (eight years ago) link

Um, any love for Yoga? I must give it a second listen one of these days (note: the first listen was decades ago).

bleak strategies (Matt #2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 10:40 (eight years ago) link

Listening to a lot of these again, I like Seligpreisung a little less than I remembered and Einsjäger & Siebenjäger a lot more than I remembered.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:46 (eight years ago) link

i've never heard yoga.

Quoting from an interview Fricke gave to Eurock.com: "YOGA is an unauthorized release. Some Indian musicians visited me in my studio, and somebody else took the tapes and sold them under the name of Popol Vuh, but it had nothing to do with Popol Vuh, really. I'm playing harmonium, and organ. I think it was released in Italy."

fit and working again, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:03 (eight years ago) link

Maybe this is off topic (this being a poll, and there being a s/d thread already), but is there any decent (non-web) literature out there on this band? I know there are a few Fricke anecdotes in the Herzog book, and I'm sure Cope talks about Popol Vuh in Krautrocksampler (which I've never actually read), but has there ever been a sort of Our Band Could Be Your Life kinda thing about this scene?

There's this, about which I know nothing:

http://www.amazon.com/Krautrock-Cosmic-Rock-Its-Legacy/dp/1906155666/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389139516&sr=8-1&keywords=krautrock

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 00:09 (eight years ago) link

i still haven't gotten over the cover art for the second album

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 00:14 (eight years ago) link

Aside from reviews of some of their albums there isn't much about Popol Vuh in Cope's book.

fit and working again, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 01:06 (eight years ago) link

There are so damnably few resources on PV and Fricke. Maybe in German...?

For about a decade when the CDs were expensive and hard to get (in the nineties up to file sharing) my PV bible was the little write ups of all the discs in the (print) forced exposure catalog.

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 02:25 (eight years ago) link

I memorized those and dreamed of what the music would sound like.

yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 02:26 (eight years ago) link

Not exactly non-web literature, but this is worth a read : http://www.furious.com/perfect/populvuh.html

bleak strategies (Matt #2), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:33 (eight years ago) link

I remember our v. own Tom D doing an excellent Popul Vuh alb rundown somewhere on this board

Feel like a bit of an outlier on this thread, in that while I like most of the PV recs I've heard, Einsjäger & Siebenjäger is by some distance my fave - such an uplifting rec

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:01 (eight years ago) link

btw if anyone is still looking for copies of those Wah Wah reissues, Fusetron just listed a few!

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 1 February 2014 12:43 (eight years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 2 February 2014 00:01 (eight years ago) link

Winner is sorta shocking here! The rest makes sense except for 0 votes for Seligpreisung and Cobra Verde.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 2 February 2014 00:08 (eight years ago) link

Aw, Agape Agape deserves more than 0.

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:09 (eight years ago) link

the winner is the album most pick tbh

۩, Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:15 (eight years ago) link

Really? Ah, man, I like those first two but, err...had no idea people rated IDGP so highly. I should listen again.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:20 (eight years ago) link

It's the second side -- it's totally grandiose and captivating.
Respectable choice!

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:27 (eight years ago) link

Glad my two favorites were tied in votes too.

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:28 (eight years ago) link

I bought Seligpresung and have been listening to it! But while it is pretty, it didn't move ahead of Aguirre or Heart of Glass for me.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:31 (eight years ago) link

Seligpreisung that is

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:31 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I remember liking that one more than I did when I listened to it again recently

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 2 February 2014 02:15 (eight years ago) link

I'm glad someone else likes Messa di Orfeo!

with hidden noise, Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:57 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

Kind of surprised "In Den Gärten Pharaos" won this tbh. Anyway I came here to say "Meditation" by Eberhard Schoener sounds very like that early electronic side of Popol Vuh, which is not that suprising as it was recorded in the same studio Popol Vuh used, on (I'm almost certain) the same equipment, some of the sounds used are pretty much identical.

Let's Get Ready to Trimble (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 July 2022 12:07 (two weeks ago) link

I guess In Den Gärten Pharaos (and Affenstunde) stand alone in the catalogue; people who like that electronic side of the band have only those to pick from, whereas the remaining records feel like variants on a different template (whether vocal or instrumental, rocking or contemplative).

Of the eleven I've heard, I might pick Letzte Tage - Letzte Nächt for its concision and breadth.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 30 July 2022 13:11 (two weeks ago) link


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