Indie kids hate emo kids, right?

I say we bomb Iraq instead.

Whiney, pretentious teen sap-songs.

You need to brush up on your history, son. Saves the Day and Dashboard Confessional are NOT emo in any sense of the word, nor are bands that are like them. Calling those bands emo is a lot like calling Blink41 punk--people do it all the time, but that doesn't make it right.

Emo is more or less dead since most of the best bands in the genre have long since passed on.

Recommended (song) downloading:
-Portraits of Past, "Bang Yer Head"
-Heroin, "With No Name"
-Policy of 3, "Let It Build"
-Mohinder, "Beautiful"
-Hoover, "Private"
-Palatka, "Mark's Shit"
-Current, "Dance of Days" (Embrace cover)

But, as to the topic, lots of indie kids do hate emo kids. Not nearly as much as hardcore kids hate emo kids, however. All the Strife/Hatebreed/In My Eyes-listening hardcore kids, anyway. There's that whole 'screamo' thing which a lot of hardcore kids are into, oddly enough, and that seems kind of odd to me.

as the lone tear rolls down my cheek, I'd like to humbly stick-up for hot water music and braid in regards to emo. there hasn't been any decent emo for a while tho.

usually the people that hate emo kids the most are ex-emo kids, or people who are in denial of their inner most music listening desires.

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But then, Im in the suburbs right now, and at least in my area, that's emo city. Mainly because teens who just a few years ago liked Blink think its time to grow up, but dont want to have to listen to music that might challenge them. Thus, emo. And yes, I know the story of emo, came out of hardcore, Rites of Spring, blah blah blah. That doesnt matter. Emo, for what it is right now, is kids who dye their hair a darker color (thus representing the darkness of their hearts), wearing pseduo-vintage ironic t-shirts, and making poetry on their livejournals that always somehow involves stars, reaching for those stars, blood of crimson, and how nobody will truely love them.

Also, no, Im not gonna go download some old emo songs. You say it's good - well if it is, then chances are, its not emo. If the lyrics arent self-obsessed and myopic, chances are its probably just hardcore.

That said, you're mostly right.

(listening to Antioch Arrow)

i'm not much for Emo, mostly very boring (e.g. Karate), but I get the feeling it may be a gateway genre. Emo kids may grow up to have good taste. or not.

(re: the karate comment)

would you like to quiz me jonathan? my moss icon records are in storage, but i can probably do it from memory.

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Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.

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It is one of the worst genre names ever though.

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Also, you said something about not knowing the historical context. First off, since this was about emo-kids, the historical context doesnt really matter. Do you think any modern day whiney teen listening to Saves the Day, has any clue about the post-Minor Threat DC movement of the mid-80s? Thats what Im considering emo (even though I dont particularly like the old emo either). And why not? If emo-kids call it emo, then it's emo. And if not, if its something else, well, its still crap. Crap that eminated towards a shift-to-crap in the mid-80s.

(tom sez this week.)

i dunno, it's just got that little pinch of "i hate teh something! because i am like teh something, but more RAWK! (band name) (band name) (band name)" magic...

but if nobody can tell the difference between emo and indie, here's some lyrics.
Hawthorn Heights vs. Sufjan Stevens:

Most popular song by Hawthorn Heights:

And I can't make it on my own.
(And I can't make it on my own.)
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
(Cut my wrists and black my eyes)
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.

Just a song by Sufjan because none of them are especially popular:

Cannot conversations cull united nations?
If you got the patience, celebrate the ancients
Cannot all creation call it celebration?
Or united nation. Put it to your head.

I'm going to leave that up to whoever is reading.
Can you see a difference? I certainly can.

IT.BUILDS.CHARACTER.

"Can you see a difference? I certainly can."

The Sufjan lyric is far more gay?

Don't throw me in the briarpatch, Mr. Sword-for-a-head!

-- Thomas Tallis (tallis4...), April 9th, 2006.

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Okay, guys...here's the secret:

Labels don't exist.
It's just a stupid joke made up for little kids. Like pirates.

This thread wasn't even discussing labels. It was supposed to be, "Do indie kids hate emo kids?" not "Is indie better then emo?"

ALL LABELS SUCK. Just do your own thing.

Most people around here don't even know what indie is.
They're all like, "are you emo?" and then they do that obnoxious giddy laugh, and I'm all like, "If you want to call me emo, then I'm emo to you. Problem solved."

I don't have many friends...

NO!

that's gold Jerry! Gold!

punk kids be all like dis.......

fank you apollo!!

You shouldn't have abandoned them! ;-)

I'm a metalhead, i listen to heavy metal, death metal, i wear black, because i feel most comfortable in black, am i emo? Do i slit my wrists? no on both counts. I mean who the fuck calls Iron Maiden EMO?
There is the other type of metal as well, with 'growling' vocals, now people who get SCREAMO confused with growling vocals are just dumb, because growling has been around for decades, and it sounds nothing like the screamo stuff today,

A lesson in history for all of you,
first up, Iron maidens 'number of the beast' has a massive scream after the first few lines, is that screamo? NO. is that emo? NO.

The term 'emo' or 'emotionaly hardcore' actually came from bands in the 70s\80s who would break down and cry on stage in the middle of songs, THATS where it came from, not some 2002 generation 'i hate my life so i'll slit my wrists' shit.

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