and he did while wearing overalls
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 00:47 (ten years ago) link
Bruford TS: overalls vs yellow suit
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 01:02 (ten years ago) link
Wyatt
― WilliamC, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 01:13 (ten years ago) link
Liebezeit, as if there's a choice
― nostormo, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 11:26 (ten years ago) link
I'm penning in Steve Jansen as the 4th candidate for the tie-in.
― Max Florian, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 10:15 (ten years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
which one drummed in YES and KING CRIMSON?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:09 (ten years ago) link
weird poll
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
liebezeit seems like the hipper answer but bruford seems like the righter answer
there's really nothing like else like when "paper house" locks into that tribal groove but come on, "heart of the sunrise"? "starless"?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:21 (ten years ago) link
I like Bruford all around but Halleluwah
― I can't keep up, I can't keep up, I can't keep up (calstars), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:24 (ten years ago) link
"halleluhwah" is amazing but "close to the edge"
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link
i mean liebezeit is great as a pure groove drummer, but i'd still put him behind clyde and jabo, and probably tony allen too.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:34 (ten years ago) link
Nobody putting it down for Baker? Is it because of all the interminable solos?
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:44 (ten years ago) link
I find Baker to be kind of awful. Really thuddy and not fun.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:46 (ten years ago) link
i hear that (especially in the baker gurvitz army stuff) but the live album ginger did with fela kuti is pretty awesome for realziz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6awYn56IWQ
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:48 (ten years ago) link
yeah I kind of enjoy that record, but isn't he playing alongside tony allen there? He really didn't have great feel on his own. I find his drumming very halting and awkward.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:50 (ten years ago) link
check out Blakey blatantly aping Baker starting around 4:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qghrsBfSbgk
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:08 (ten years ago) link
Bruford is a real master of the drumset and I don't know if I'd say either of the others are. Granted that a lot of "masters" of the drumset are more boring to listen to than some drummers that just groove really hard, I just don't think that's the case here.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
sometimes i feel i enjoy the liebezeit copycats more than jaki himself. bruford all time obv, but strangely there ain't that many modern drummers successfully cloning his style. idk, i hear a bit of brudford in greg saunier, mostly in terms of accents and overall unpredictability but that's about it.
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
i feel i enjoy the liebezeit copycats
por ejemplo...?
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah also wondering
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
mmmmmm
mig from moonshake, david turner from long fin killie, jerry fuchs from turing machine, dude from pram (their first drummer, can't recall his name) etc.
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
sorry to have to say it, but who from what? i don't know anything about any of those bands! is there some secret island where all the jaki-worshipping drummers live?
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:11 (ten years ago) link
my favorite liebezeit song is nookie
― Mordy , Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:13 (ten years ago) link
well Jerry Fuchs (RIP) also played with LCD Soundsystem and The Juan MacLean among others, LL, so you probably have heard him. The other two I don't know from Adam.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:14 (ten years ago) link
er other three
also I kind of think of Neu! as more progenitors of that style than Can
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:15 (ten years ago) link
i'd say this guy was def a fan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Young_(drummer)
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:18 (ten years ago) link
haven't you listened to moonshake's eva luna??? man, you're in for a threat. 1st two LFK records and pram's helium also essential listening for the krautisms and the jaki aping in particular (i swear i'm not making this up, those guys were super into liebezeit)
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:21 (ten years ago) link
fun, takes patience, steve gadd imo
http://youtu.be/Ln6b_nBM-V8?t=2m46s
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:30 (ten years ago) link
^ thanks to my brother for the link
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:31 (ten years ago) link
i love the way gadd moves when he plays -- he loves drumming more than most drummers imo
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah, plus just beating the hell out of shit
the other two aren't my thing (weckl & colaiuta)
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:34 (ten years ago) link
he crushes weckl and colaiuta on that imo, they're just all like "duggaduggaduggadugaaduggaduggadugga PSH PSH PSH PSHHHHH duggaduggadugga pshhh" while he's grooving the shit out of everything
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link
i love the way he'll hang back a moment, find (or make) space in their noise, and just swing on in like a wrecking ball
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:40 (ten years ago) link
This is one of my favorite Gadd solos (starts around 4:53):
Drum geek sick chops youtube thread
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:41 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVzqrfMTRI#t=322
xxxp have not, but will investigatei want a ticket to the island!
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:43 (ten years ago) link
here's gadd in full blast mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-yPdckNaDo
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:46 (ten years ago) link
o hell yeah, that was inspirational (@hurting)
bass solo leading up pretty fn sick too
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:56 (ten years ago) link
http://youtu.be/PuBFSFqLF5E?t=6m13s
crazy
oh yeah, that's like a famous gadd lick
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:19 (ten years ago) link
hurting otm in this thread, i'm not a baker fan.
btw i ran into gadd twice in new orleans when he was there with james taylor iirc, he was the nicest and most curious dude ever. the first time was at the fairgrounds where he was just walking around checking all the new orleans bands out, asking us "what's good? what am i saying, it's all good!" then later he was at a club where my brass band was playing...he couldn't stay for the show, but they were playing a cd of ours over the PA and he was like, "wait, this is you guys? this is amazing!" and asked for a copy.
― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
Ugh, fucking Steve Gadd. He's like an exaggerated caricature of the worst aspects of fuzak session hackery. Him and Weckl.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
Haha, that's hilarious.
Would probably go with Liebezeit, narrowly over Bruford. Bruford can swing mightily, and came pretty damn close to taking Tony Williams' shit to another level. But Liebezeit is such a monster.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
a relentlessly groovy monster
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
It's a session-off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8
One thing that's fun about these nerd-fests is that it's presented like some sort of a challenge, but all these dudes can play anything.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
(There's a point around 2:30 where it looks like Vinnie is playing a one-handed roll!)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
I think I had such a tough time with this I ended up not voting. But on balance my love for KC pushes it to Bruford.
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 5 December 2013 00:04 (ten years ago) link
ooooooommmmmmmmggggggg i don't know how i avoided knowing this before, but i just learned that Jaki's bday is the same as three of my best friends (5/26 -- happy belated birthday!)
also he was born in 1938 so he's getting pretty old! he's still in good health right?
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 13:13 (nine years ago) link
how is his ticker
― j., Thursday, 5 June 2014 02:40 (nine years ago) link
Reliable iirc
― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 June 2014 03:10 (nine years ago) link
i finally got around to buying secret rhythms -- i got #3 -- are the rest of them as good as #3? what is he doing these days? i know he was interviewed for the tago mago 33 1/3 book but i haven't read it.
― groundless round (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
happy 77th bday to Jaki!!
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link
HB JL!!!
I defer to him as the ne plus ultra of JLs
Just ordered the tago mago book last week actually
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link
Shook the great man's hand last night, no photo evidence unfortunately. He seems a bit deaf (he is 77 after all) so didn't try to engage him in conversation.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 09:11 (eight years ago) link
More info pls! Did you see him play?
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 11:34 (eight years ago) link
Yeah he was playing with Hans-Joachim Irmler of Faust. Playing a tiny drumkit which barely came up to his knees, no bass drum. Irmler was playing his original homemade organ from early Faust days, which I made sure I had a good look at, it really is homemade!
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 11:42 (eight years ago) link
What kind of stuff did Jaki play? What else is he doing these days? I saw that Ginger Baker is playing here (Chicago) and turned up my nose but I would elbow people out of the way to see Jaki.
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
I am supporting them tonight. *shitting it shitting it shitting it*
― emil.y, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 13:40 (eight years ago) link
omg shut upreally?!
do you have a plan? have you rehearsed the plan? will you at least promise to report back in florid detail?
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 13:42 (eight years ago) link
Yep really. Supported Irmler before (he's REALLY NICE) but Liebezeit is making me wobble. I don't know if I will be able to even say hello. Particularly because my new band is ridiculous and they really might hate it.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 13:46 (eight years ago) link
I doubt it, and anyway you can't think like that -- what would you do in the best case scenario? What a dream.
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 13:52 (eight years ago) link
Playing a tiny drumkit which barely came up to his knees, no bass drum
huh, had to look up his setup after reading this, i like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBiYWjAfCDE
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:11 (eight years ago) link
Jaki seemed like a wonderful old fellow, really enjoying himself and delighted with sheer love being beamed at him by the audience... I'm sure H-J didn't mind, he's Jaki Liebezeit after all.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link
(xp) There was an interview and Q&A after the gig and Jaki explained why he'd abandoned the traditional jazz/rock kit, he called the hi-hat, the "Charleston Machine ", because he said it was added to the drumkit at the time of the Charleston craze... don't know if that's true but it's a good story!
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link
going to miss Jaki tonight because of various things, but good luck emil.y!
― feargal czukay (NickB), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
emil.y please wear a vest (chain mail optional) and then think about irmin s in this videoyou could also pull some of those dance moveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nHr44vE9I
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
This will mean nothing to American ILXors and very little to UK ILXors either, but this guy was at the gig last night, goin' apeshit.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
but Liebezeit is making me wobble
i see what u did there
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Jaki was very much shy/not speaking much English, but Jochen is so so nice. But even just being around for the soundcheck, where drum tests are always the worst part, and I just thought... this is not the worst, it's the fucking drummer from Can. Holy crap. I am a ridiculous human, mind you.
― emil.y, Thursday, 18 June 2015 03:05 (eight years ago) link
Also we were trying to take sneaky photos backstage but then they took photos of us. <3 <3 <3
― emil.y, Thursday, 18 June 2015 03:07 (eight years ago) link
Wow!
― the discreet charm of the georgeoisie (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
I'm glad it was a positive experience!! I want him to live forever if possible.
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
Unless he wants to retire his human half and carry on as a machine. That'd be ok.
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
Picked up Cyclopean at the store today, Irmin Schmidt is on it too -- reminds me a lot of the Secret Rhythms stuff (Burnt Friedman is on it too)It's really short and sounds like one long song. I like it.
― La Lechera, Saturday, 15 August 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link
The Baker family are sad to announce that Ginger is critically ill in hospital. Please keep him in your prayers tonight— Ginger Baker (@GingerBDrums) September 25, 2019
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lncs2pjrau4
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1nw-G4_bVk
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:25 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vNcgL9Fi4w
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/prog-rock-grooves-jaki-liebezeit-the-nature-of-rhythm-tickets-119431766629a tribute toi Jaki as part of the Culture NIght celebration tonight.not sure what status is on tickets and how limited tehy are so best to try to book one as soon as you see this if you can.
― Stevolende, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:17 (three years ago) link
THis worked while the event was livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkWUDCZ6QA
or asa Url www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkWUDCZ6QA
― Stevolende, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
ok, that link appears to start at about the right place. I noticed the one i had on Facebook started 3hrs and 9 minutes into a longer recording. Looks like that's bookmarked at the right point though
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 September 2020 10:36 (three years ago) link