The Velvet Underground & Nico poll

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
2. "I'm Waiting for the Man" 4:39 32
7. "Heroin" 7:12 30
1. "Sunday Morning" Reed, Cale 2:54 26
4. "Venus in Furs" 5:12 21
6. "All Tomorrow's Parties" 6:00 19
9. "I'll Be Your Mirror" 2:14 14
11. "European Son" Reed, Cale, Morrison, Tucker 7:46 9
10. "The Black Angel's Death Song" Reed, Cale 3:11 6
3. "Femme Fatale" 2:38 5
5. "Run Run Run" 4:22 4
8. "There She Goes Again" 2:41 0


nostormo, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:35 (seven years ago) link

hard as fuck

but i gotta vote Heroin

nostormo, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:39 (seven years ago) link

1, 2, 4, 6 or 9

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:43 (seven years ago) link

love nico?

nostormo, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:46 (seven years ago) link

yeah those two songs especially, but choosing between the five is impossible.

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:53 (seven years ago) link

These days it's 'I'll be your mirror', but in three weeks it might well be another. 1-2, 4, 6-7 and 9 are all contenders in my book.

Mule, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:54 (seven years ago) link

by elimination - i wouldn't vote for 1,3,6 and 9 - they are great of course (except maybe Mirror), but the others are even better.

nostormo, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:56 (seven years ago) link

no love here for Femme Fatale (yet)

nostormo, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:56 (seven years ago) link

you know why i made this poll?

because lou reed is dead! that's why!

nostormo, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:57 (seven years ago) link

lol tell mazzy star 9 ain't great

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:58 (seven years ago) link

I don't dislike it or anything, the chorus is great, especially the backing vox. But it's not a favorite of mine, no.

xpost

Mule, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:58 (seven years ago) link

the songs here are basically divided to 1/3 arty twee 1/3 garage 1/3 psych/experimental/ proto everything

nostormo, Monday, 4 November 2013 11:03 (seven years ago) link

Has to be "Heroin". As mentioned in one of the Lou Reed threads, it's the one I played in the school common room to annoy my fellow pupils after I'd sneaked my sister's copy of the album into school one day. I also took this album to the school Rock Appreciation Society (run by an eccentric right wing teacher who had a massive collage cut out from NMEs/Melody Makers on his wall) and my friend David Judge brought in his brother's copy of "Dance of the Lemmings" by Amon Duul II.

Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Monday, 4 November 2013 11:03 (seven years ago) link

8 just makes me think of this johnny marr interview where he said when he wrote the intro to there's a light that never goes out he was trying to catch people out because the vu were very in vogue at the time and everyone would think he lifted it from 8 but in fact he lifted from the stones version of hitchhiker (wtf?)

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 11:04 (seven years ago) link

btw 11 divided by 3 is 3 and two-thirds

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 12:31 (seven years ago) link

1, 4, 6, or 7

they're not chanting Lou, they're calling you 'boo' (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 4 November 2013 12:41 (seven years ago) link

^4 of the greatest songs ever

they're not chanting Lou, they're calling you 'boo' (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 4 November 2013 12:42 (seven years ago) link

"Waiting for the Man" vs. "I'll Be Your Mirror" -- would have to flip a coin.

I think "Run Run Run" is maybe the most underrated, if anything on this album can be called underrated. Though it's also the most Dylanish -- you could sing the verses of "Highway 61 Revisited" over it.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:06 (seven years ago) link

femme fatale

J0rdan S., Monday, 4 November 2013 15:17 (seven years ago) link

Impossible poll...

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:48 (seven years ago) link

^

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:52 (seven years ago) link

One of the most consistently great all the way through records for sure

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:52 (seven years ago) link

All Tomorrow's Parties has it all.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:53 (seven years ago) link

voted I'm Waiting For the Man. Something about the pulse of that song, the way it's just like ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE instead of 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4. I had never heard anything like that before I heard this record and it made a huge impression on me.

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:54 (seven years ago) link

Something about the pulse of that song, the way it's just like ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE instead of 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4

Owes something to "Season of the Witch" perhaps? Actually I don't know when that was released, so maybe not.

Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:57 (seven years ago) link

It reminds me more of minimalism

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:58 (seven years ago) link

I'll never forget the first time I heard the Velvet Underground, watching Oliver Stone's THE DOORS.
Venus in Furs

Trip Maker, Monday, 4 November 2013 15:58 (seven years ago) link

I abstain. I played "Run Run Run" alone yesterday cuz I wanted to hear it; but I don't think you can, if yer taking this srsly, vote for that or "FF" bcz if all the tracks were like either of those, it wd not be a landmark album.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:59 (seven years ago) link

... uh, not. "Season of the Witch" was released in September 1966. (xxxxp)

Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:59 (seven years ago) link

agreed morbius, but that's damn cool filler we're talking about

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:04 (seven years ago) link

agreed about Run Run Run but not Femme Fatale. Maybe I just have a special place in my heart for that song because my wife and I have had a years-running thing of imitating Nico in that song to each other.

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:13 (seven years ago) link

"WHAT A CLOWN"

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:13 (seven years ago) link

VAT A CLOWN

you are kind, I am (waterface), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:15 (seven years ago) link

clone

sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:16 (seven years ago) link

The line in "Venus in Furs" where Lou impersonates Nico "Bleeeeeeeeeeeeed for meeee" then audibly smirks...

Mark G, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:17 (seven years ago) link

it's VAT A CLON

akm, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:19 (seven years ago) link

lol fish bringin the mathematical realness

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:20 (seven years ago) link

Her voice plus the fuzzy red-line production makes FF so weird. You don't know whether to laugh or run away.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:21 (seven years ago) link

VIF: is it bleed or plead?

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:23 (seven years ago) link

no it's what a clown, just in a berlin accent

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:23 (seven years ago) link

the songs here are basically divided to 1/3 arty twee 1/3 garage 1/3 psych/experimental/ proto everything

^^^ this (math be damned) and each third balances out the other two wonderfully. Hell of a journey between "Sunday Morning" and "European Son."

The sweet spot between bad and unpleasant (Dan Peterson), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:25 (seven years ago) link

I guess I'm playing it this week cuz I don't remember how "European Son" goes

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:28 (seven years ago) link

It goes drone/scrape/drone/squeak/drone...

The sweet spot between bad and unpleasant (Dan Peterson), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:33 (seven years ago) link

This may be discussed on another thread, but has anyone read James Young's Nico book? Any good? I mean, is there value to it beyond just, "boy was Nico a wreck in the '80s"?

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:39 (seven years ago) link

...and sound of breaking glass

OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:41 (seven years ago) link

"European Son" is my vote and tbh the one i always want to hear off this, the others blow in and out

when did you stop caring about (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:41 (seven years ago) link

This may be discussed on another thread, but has anyone read James Young's Nico book? Any good? I mean, is there value to it beyond just, "boy was Nico a wreck in the '80s"?

― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, November 4, 2013 4:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...and sound of breaking glass

― OutdoorFish, Monday, November 4, 2013 4:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bleak lol at this xpost

you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:47 (seven years ago) link

after listening to this alb, on and off, for the best part of 30 years, I finally got to stand at Lexington/125 earlier this year, so just had to vote for 'Waiting...'

Ward Fowler, Monday, 4 November 2013 16:51 (seven years ago) link

Forget the lyrics. "Venus in Furs" is so sexy and odd and wondrous.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:52 (seven years ago) link

what about the Las?

OutdoorFish, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 11:38 (seven years ago) link

six years pass...

It's incredible how a song as stupid as "Venus in Furs" ranks among the sexiest songs ever. I need more viola scraping and Lou shouting SEVERIN in my life, clearly

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 02:13 (one year ago) link

it's the caustic drone, they could be singing about types of mushrooms and I'd still be there

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 02:52 (one year ago) link

maybe he was!

https://www.severin.com/mushroom-soup-with-par-c9cab832

StanM, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 10:52 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Tracklist:

01 Michael Stipe: “Sunday Morning”
02 Matt Berninger: “I’m Waiting for the Man”
03 Sharon Van Etten with Angel Olsen: “Femme Fatale”
04 Andrew Bird / Lucius: “Venus in Furs”
05 Kurt Vile & The Violators: “Run Run Run”
06 St. Vincent / Thomas Bartlett: “All Tomorrow’s Parties”
07 Thurston Moore: “Heroin” [ft. Bobby Gillespie]
08 King Princess: “There She Goes Again”
09 Courtney Barnett: “I’ll Be Your Mirror”
10 Fontaines D.C.: “The Black Angel’s Song of Death”
11 Iggy Pop / Matt Sweeney: “European Son”

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 19:54 (two weeks ago) link

Thurston Moore: “Heroin” [ft. Bobby Gillespie]

Errrrrrrrrrrrr....

Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 19:55 (two weeks ago) link

HI DERE

“Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 19:58 (two weeks ago) link

looks pretty boring, but maybe some of these people will try something interesting? doubtful!

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 20:09 (two weeks ago) link

I can totally imagine CB doing "I'll Be Your Mirror"; should be great (I'll probably skip the rest).

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 20:33 (two weeks ago) link

Are we doing tribute records again? Aren't there enough regular records no one is interested in?

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 20:39 (two weeks ago) link

I would have thought they'd have roped Cale and Tucker in here somehow.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 20:43 (two weeks ago) link

You'd think something baring "executive produced by Hal Wilner" would have at least one or two leftfield selections

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 20:44 (two weeks ago) link

These songs are on a level so high that I'm happy to hear almost anyone perform them.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 20:58 (two weeks ago) link

xp yeah, Willner should've gotten the Sun Ra Arkestra to do VU & Nico.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 21:16 (two weeks ago) link

Not having Mdou Moctar doing "Run Run Run" seems like a real missed opportunity

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

yeah at this point with VU covers, you may as well go in unusual directions. a bunch of indie rockers is a little dull. kurt vile doing "run run run" sounds exactly like you'd expect it to.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 22:30 (two weeks ago) link

Idk a lot about Gillespie but I think it's actually pretty smart for Thurston to focus on the guitars in "Heroin" and let someone more, uh, experienced handle the words. He wouldn't be a very convincing junkie.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 23:15 (two weeks ago) link

Iggy Pop / Matt Sweeney is kinda cool pairing.

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Thursday, 15 July 2021 01:31 (two weeks ago) link

only 10,000 people bought the first Velvet Underground album, and all of those people formed bands, but all of them are now free to also get into some more recent music

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 15 July 2021 11:54 (two weeks ago) link

it's hard to actually hear this album over all the overbearing mythology. including about its influence which the tribute album makes look narrower and more insular than it probably is

what was the thread about things you don't like but have to admit are good? this album and band are mostly that for me. I like the dream pop songs but reed and nico are unlikable characters (presumably the point) and the whole grimy nyc boho heroin thing is so unappealing. which may also be the point but if they weren't glamourising it the subsequent mythology certainly has done

Left, Thursday, 15 July 2021 12:22 (two weeks ago) link

oh it was a movie thread

Left, Thursday, 15 July 2021 12:23 (two weeks ago) link

Please shut up

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 15 July 2021 13:33 (two weeks ago) link

Last three tracks are making me sit up..

Could potentially be great.

Mickey Stripe on track one is a safe, certainly...

Mark G, Thursday, 15 July 2021 14:07 (two weeks ago) link

R.E.M. already covered two of the songs from this record.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 15 July 2021 14:12 (two weeks ago) link

Idk a lot about Gillespie but I think it's actually pretty smart for Thurston to focus on the guitars in "Heroin" and let someone more, uh, experienced handle the words. He wouldn't be a very convincing junkie.

Um, that would be Lee, I think.

Planck Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 July 2021 14:28 (two weeks ago) link

HI DERE!

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 July 2021 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

hey ward eat shit

the influence of the band is certainly wider than suggested by the tribute album lineup but if i were to take that at face value then it has not been a positive one at all afaic. moore/gillespie says it all really

Left, Thursday, 15 July 2021 15:44 (two weeks ago) link

I'm more interested in this:

What Goes On: Songs of Lou Reed
The latest in Ace Records’ Songwriters series takes the listener from a version of ‘Why Don’t You Smile Now’ from Lou Reed’s pre-Velvet Underground days through selections from the band’s albums to songs from 1972’s solo “Transformer”. Tracks: 1. I'm Waiting For The Man - Beck, 2. What Goes On - Bryan Ferry, 3. Vicious - Lloyd Cole, 4. Perfect Day - Kirsty MacColl & Evan Dando, 5. Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams - Nico, 6. New Age - Rachel Sweet, 7. I'll Be Your Mirror - The Primitives, 8. Run, Run, Run - Echo & The Bunnymen, 9. Train 'round The Bend - The Soft Boys, 10. Pale Blue Eyes - Alejandro Escovedo, 11. All Tomorrow's Parties - June Tabor & Oysterband, 12. Why Don't You Smile Now - The Delmonas, 13. Sweet Jane - Cowboy Junkies, 14. Jesus - Swervedriver, 15. Femme Fatale - Tracey Thorn, 16. I'm Set Free - Yo La Tengo, 17. Sunday Morning - Matthew Sweet & Susanna Hoffs, 18. Rock 'n Roll - Detroit featuring Mitch Ryder, 19. Walk On The Wild Side - The Dynamics, 20. We Are The People - Iggy Pop

(Always craved more country takes----Elizabeth Cook did cover "Sunday Morning." and Lee Ann Womack/Willie Nelson (or Kelly Hogan/Mike Ireland) "Pale Blue Eyes"= mah ideeel)

dow, Thursday, 15 July 2021 15:57 (two weeks ago) link

surely these people can find black artists who cover these songs?

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:05 (two weeks ago) link

It is true that thanks to Lou Reed I took heroin and now the heroin and I are married.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:10 (two weeks ago) link

i'm sure they could have done if they'd tried but also it's not at all surprising they didn't or couldn't xp

Left, Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:12 (two weeks ago) link

yep. looking at these tribute albums really puts the vu in the past in a way that feels like a misstep. also the songs are maybe less interesting if the people who are interested in covering them are like median age 50.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:20 (two weeks ago) link

“The Black Angel’s Song of Death”

It would be funny if all the titles were like this

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:39 (two weeks ago) link

9. Walk On The Wild Side - The Dynamics. The Dynamics are Black. Black Rock Coalition members Eye & I covered "Venus In Furs," which was pretty good, I thought, but can't think of other Black covers of Reed. although his friend from pre-VU days Garland Jeffreys has some live versions of "I'm Waiting For My Man" on the 'Tube.
Most of those Ace comp versions were recorded when the cover artists were under 50 (a long time ago), and the ones I'm familiar with are really good, esp. Nico's "Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams" and Detroit/Mitch Ryder's "Rock & Roll."

dow, Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:47 (two weeks ago) link

unbelievably boring choices of cover artist imo

imago, Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:57 (two weeks ago) link

Reminds me: most of this (12 out of 17 tracks so far) is good---...Modern Love, a diverse compendium of specially commissioned cover versions of rarities and classics in tribute to David Bowie.
Featuring an array of artists such as Jeff Parker, We Are KING, Meshell Ndegeocello, Helado Negro, Khruangbin, Matthew Tavares, Nia and more, Modern Love seeks to champion Bowie’s lesser-known connection to soul, R&B, jazz, funk, and gospel. The prominent jazz influences throughout Bowie’s final album, Blackstar, were a key inspiration for curating this collection of reimagined Bowie songs with these artists. The resulting album is an eclectic tribute featuring a group of artists who not only fit together creatively, but who, like Bowie, straddle different worlds musically, with soul and jazz at their core...
https://bbemusic.bandcamp.com/album/modern-love

dow, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:00 (two weeks ago) link

"European Son" would seem ripe for a jazz musician, but I love Iggy so I can't complain.

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:19 (two weeks ago) link

John Zorn would be too right but maybe too familiar given his collaborations with Lou. If Ornette Coleman were alive and well, I would have loved to hear him try it.

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

*right (not too right)

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

It is true that thanks to Lou Reed I took heroin and now the heroin and I are married.

If this was a response to me, I am more than fine with people writing or singing about things they haven't experienced firsthand. (I'm not even sure Reed had done heroin yet when he write the song.) I just don't think Thurston Moore would be convincing delivering those lyrics but do think he could sound great doing the music.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

*wrote

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

Thurston Moore could interpolate the words to "Junkie's Promise" while Gillespie sings the original lyric, so everyone knows where he stands.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:46 (two weeks ago) link

Cale did some 50th anniversary shows where every song on the LP was performed and nearly every one covered by someone else with Cale accompanying. If it was recorded, it would be nice to put this out somewhere like on Apple TV, Netflix, Hulu, etc. The visual element was quite nice.

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

"wouldn't be a very convincing junkie" = "wouldn't do a convincing job as a vocalist of portraying a junkie", although it can get tricky to sort out what every mind-melting take is responding to

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:04 (two weeks ago) link

It's about three notes in all so Bobby should be able to handle it.

Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:13 (two weeks ago) link

Halfway there OTM though

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:32 (two weeks ago) link

If this was a response to me, I am more than fine with people writing or singing about things they haven't experienced firsthand. (I'm not even sure Reed had done heroin yet when he write the song.) I just don't think Thurston Moore would be convincing delivering those lyrics but do think he could sound great doing the music.

― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:40 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

No. Left.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:35 (two weeks ago) link

Thurston spent the early 80s selling Chipwich ice cream sandwiches out of a freezer-cart, those were nearly as addictive.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:55 (two weeks ago) link

Ah, sorry, Alfred.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:57 (two weeks ago) link


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