research into Ethereal Goth and Dreampop (and other stuff for fans of early 4AD and Projekt)

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I talked about this stuff a fair bit on one of the rolling goth threads and I made this thread a few years ago looking for this stuff...
Bands that Could/Should have been on PROJEKT records
...but I'd like a regular place to write about this stuff, and I think this stuff could have a much bigger audience than it does, or at least I hope so. Also, there hasnt been much discussion of it lately and I miss it.

The obvious roots of these genres are The Cure, Siouxsie And The Banshees, Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil, Clan Of Xymox, The Church, Chameleons, Cranes, His Name Is Alive, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Red House Painters (first 3 albums) and Dead Can Dance. All these bands are big enough to have their own threads but bands like Trance To The Sun get ignored if I only discuss them in their own thread because they have so little recognition. There are a lot of goth bands I'd like to talk about more who probably fall a bit too far away from these styles and a lot of them have their own threads that are thankfully not empty. I was unsure just how gothy to keep it, because I'm tempted to include lots of shoegazing/dreampop stuff that could be discussed in other threads but I'm just going to include anything that seems like something these sort of fans would probably like. Neoclassical Darkwave is often lumped in here even though it is very different. I'm sure some people will find my groupings incoherent but I hope enough people think they make sense and if you want to contribute any bands to this just ask yourself if the average Projekt fan would like it and if the beauty element is a dominant one.

I've found this chart a lot of help for finding some of this stuff. Some of it super obscure.
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&genres=Ethereal+Wave&include_child_genres=t&include=both&limit=none&countries=

I recently done a lot of research into japanese stuff and most of it wasnt interesting at all but I will post some links to the more promising stuff.

There is loads of stuff I've been meaning to listen to for years, so I hope I can update this fairly often with more bands.

LYCIA

Of all the smaller gothy ethereal bands, Lycia probably has more fans on this forum than any other. They have a really strong vision that stays with you and will make your next walk in the countryside seem all the more magical. It has a fetishistic obsession with atmospheric enviroments. When I think of 2007, I always think of the way my discovery of Lycia permeated that time.
The full 2 disc version (make sure you get that one and not the single disc) of Burning Circle And Then Dust is my favorite double album I've ever heard, I dont know of many other things you can so fully immerse yourself in for so long. 2 hours of moody contemplative bliss.
Cold, Ionia, Day In The Stark Corner, Bleak - Vane and the Estraya ep are the next best things in my view, some of the earlier stuff is a bit harsher and heavier in a really satisfying way.
I never really got into the Mike Van Portfleet solo album, it was far more ambient than I'm used to. The Tara Vanflower solo albums are really good, in the second one she made a really distinct sound with looping parts and vivid imagery. I listened to one David Galas album and I thought it taken just too much from 90s Michael Gira.

Steve Roach is a fan and I think he helped produce some of their stuff. Xasthur covered one of their songs.

They have a new album out that I'm eager to hear and here is a recent interview far more extensive than any other I've seen...

http://www.themortonreport.com/entertainment/music/a-personal-and-candid-talk-with-mike-van-portfleet-of-lycia/

TRANCE TO THE SUN

Often associated with Lycia, they knew each other but Trance To The Sun changed a lot more, had more detours into hard rocking and sometimes dancey elements while sacrificing none of their atmosphere and exotic dark fantasy. They have this glorious bass sound that I might call voluptuous, I'm pretty sure that is Ashkelon Sain, he does the majority of everything you hear in the band. They had a succession of three different female vocalists and once had Gordon Sharp from Cindytalk (I dont know if they recorded anything with him) and Sain sang some songs too.
I like the lyrics a lot, they paint strange little scenes, the first song on Delirious has this story about trying to make rain come and there is something really wonderful and strange about it.
It's really impossible to choose a favorite album, Ashkelon Sain is one of my music heroes. His Myspace used to have quite a few tracks of his solo guitar recordings but I think Myspace is gutted now, there is only one on Soundcloud. After Trance he was in a more democratic sounding band called Submarine Fleet which was good but I much prefer him as a dominant force; I saw in interviews that he done solo improvised guitar shows under the Submarine Fleet name. He has been with a band called Soriah recently, I heard lots of good things about that but not heard the albums yet.

Robert Rich was involved with some Trance To The Sun albums. One of their vocalists has her own project called Scarlet Slipping that I'd really like to hear.
It might be a wild guess but I'd like to ask Ashkelon Sain if he was influenced at all by the poet and short story writer Clark Ashton Smith, because he creates these similar, dark yet colorful and lush exotic worlds.
If I hadnt made it clear already, Trance To The Sun are one of my favorite bands ever. They recently funded a new album on Kickstarter, their previous studio album was more than 10 years ago.

RISE AND FALL OF A DECADE

This band is very different from any other listed here, they make songs which are more straight forward in structure and lentgh and they have this sort of intellectual, highly cultured lyrical aspect; I think they could have and should have been much bigger, the singer died sadly. Their first 3 albums are total gold to me. They are my favorite band that I discovered on this forum (in the thread I linked to).
They started off with a heavy Cocteau Twins influence, the compilation sadly is a mixture between a best of and a rarities collection, I wish it had collected all the non album tracks because those early Cocteau/neoclassical mixtures are incredible and the original various artists compilation sources are very hard to find. There is also a track by side project Trees Dance on that RaFoaD compilation, a really amazing one too but I cant find the album it came from. There is another side project called Cube Like People which was far more electronic (the last two RaFoaD albums were more electronic if I recall correcly) but I dont think it was all that great.
Yes, the first 3 albums are gorgeous and I cant recommend them highly enough.

FAITH AND DISEASE

I have 3 of their albums, kind of runners up to my top bands above. Fortune His Sleep is my favorite so far and very very dreamy, it has a cover of The Cure's "All Cats Are Grey" which is fine but I think that song is a bit too special to cover; but their cover of Renaissance's "Ashes Are Burning" is as good as the original.
The more folky Beneath These Trees is often seen as their best album.

FAITH AND THE MUSE

Only heard their debut, I like it a lot. Has a much stronger goth element than most of these bands.

STRANGE BOUTIQUE

The singer from Faith And The Muse, Monica Richards was in this band, far more dreampoppy. Heard only the debut album, a few very good tracks but mostly by the numbers filler.
I read that they were originally called Madhouse but Prince bought the name from them because he wanted a band called that so badly. Strange Boutique is a way better name than Madhouse.

TWELFTH OF NEVER

I managed to find Things That Were, a pretty good dreamy goth album with some clearly Lycia inspired moments, also a bit of a metal. The band had a really unstable lineup and the main guy (who was in several metal bands) sadly killed himself not so long ago.

ESBEN AND THE WITCH

A few very strong tracks from the first album had a slightly Lycia/Trance To The Sun thing going on (no idea if they actually listen to those bands) and I bought the second album a few days ago, I'm optimistic about them.

THIS ASCENSION

I've got all 4 of their albums. First is pretty rough and uninteresting in places but has enough tracks of really nice rainy gloom; second feels like a compilation, some really good songs but it lacks something; third is their classic Walk Softly, A Dream Lies Here; fourth/last has two really brilliant songs better than anything they done before, which makes this essential to me on the strength of them.

MIRANDA SEX GARDEN

I like Suspiria a lot but cant remember much about it, havent heard any Medieval Baebes albums yet.

MORS SYPHILITICA/REQUIEM IN WHITE

Requiem In White came first and it had this slightly doomy desolate thing that Mors didnt have even though it was still pretty music. Mors Syphilitica's Feather and Fate is one of my favorite gothic dreampop albums. Still havent got Primrose, which some say is more eclectic and better.
I'd like to know what Lisa Hammer's later bands were like.

BLACK TAPE FOR A BLUE GIRL

I've got 5 of their early albums and they are all very similar and that is not a bad thing in their case. I'd say they resemble This Mortal Coil quite a lot. Some people find wont get on with their serious preoccupation with depression and romance; the vocalists are not everyone's cup of tea either but I like them a lot.

BEL CANTO

From hearing Birds Of Passage they sound like a more tropical Dead Can Dance to me. Does that sound accurate?

AND ALSO THE TREES

Somewhere between The Cure and Chameleons.

AETHER

Found them on the RYM chart above. Not sure they fit there entirely. Their only album is Smoke From Vanished Kisses; I wonder if they wanted to do more? Soul(?) influenced vocals and harp music. Quite original, nothing like most of this music.

JUDGEMENT OF PARIS

I bought one of their albums mostly because Sam Rosenthal said it was the most underrated album on his label. It is really good, it isnt avant garde or anything but I'm not sure how to describe it.

MELLONTA TAUTA

From Argentina. Their debut had a stunning opening track and a very good closing track but was mostly poor man's Cocteau Twins inbetween. I just checked and saw that they have a new album out this year, their first since 1995!

AREA/MOON SEVEN TIMES

They had a thread on this forum recently. Wonderful vocalist. Watery tender nostalgic soundscapes. Very good stuff.
Guitarist went onto his own thing in Lanterna.

BREATHLESS

Got one album a year ago and they had a new album recently after a very long absence. I adored the vocalist when he was in This Mortal Coil. He sings very down to earth and personal more than a lot of these other bands.

HEX

A side project of The Church and the vocalist of Game Theory (who I know nothing about). I heard the song "Diviner" in the film Tarnation and was blown away. That and another song on the debut are perfect dreampop but the second album as a whole is superior.

LOWLIFE

I was a big fan of Heggie's bass on Cocteau Twins but Lowlife are totally different. I saw that there was a documentary being made but I dont know if it ever taken off. Great band.

MISTLE THRUSH

I was attracted to this band because their early ep reminded me a bit of Just For A Day era Slowdive and I like anything that reminds me of that, but in retrospect I'm not so sure how similar it is. They changed quite a lot later. They have some really good songs.

CON DOLORE/POLAR

(I taken this description from another thread I posted on and slightly changed it)
Con Dolore - This Sad Movie. This is something I think I've only heard 4 times but it totally blown me away. It really lives up to the title and cover art, it's a dreampoppy/shoegazey story of a romance that I found very powerful, it has some incredibly sweet and beautiful sad songs. I was totally gutted when I found out they had split up (but the second album wasnt nearly as good, maybe they were running out of steam).
Years later I finally tracked down cds of the earlier Moss/Ballinger project Polar. The difficulty was there are several bands called Polar and their discography somehow always gets listed and mixed up with a slowcore band of the same name. Their two albums are A Future History Of The Frigid Polar Night and Lies Set By The Polar Mob. I've seen listing of an album called Begins The Frigid Night but cant confirm it really exists.
They were both well worth the tracking down and have lots of mesmerizing moments. Several sites have them on mp3, the second album harder to find. I think Con Dolore/Polar deserve to be very high among the dreampop/shoegaze canon.
Kirsty Moss was in a band called Les Enfants but I'm not sure they managed to get anything out. Yet another band name that is difficult to search and there being several other bands called that!

LOVESLIESCRUSHING

Ideal shoeagazing to submerge yourself into the haze.

ALISON'S HALO

I payed 90 pounds for Eyedazzler and didnt regret it. One of the best shoegazing albums, incredibly sweet vocals. I'm hoping the followup band Locheed finally comes out someday.

SAD LOVERS AND GIANTS

Mixed feelings from the debut. I liked it but it lacks something, I'll probably get more.

SIANSPHERIC

I think the first two albums are some of the best hazeysoftdeepwaves shoegazing I've ever heard.

UNTO ASHES

"The Blood Of My Lady" is an amazing song. I've only got that album.

PIETER NOOTEN AND MICHAEL BROOK

I seen some immensely enthusiastic recommendations for Sleeps With Fishes and it was totally amazing and beautiful. I have to echo all recommendations I've heard.

BAT FOR LASHES

I think she fits in fairly well into this world. I heard her 3 albums recently and she is one of the few current popular artists I like.

MIRA

I liked a few songs from their debut album. Do the later albums improve?

COLFAX ABBEY

A bit like Chapterhouse.

LOVE SPIRALS DOWNWARDS

Very pretty and sometimes it sounded ideal but from hearing the first two albums only, I felt they lacked something. "Write In Water" was great.

SOUL WHIRLING SOMEWHERE

I often felt he taken far too much from Red House Painters, that his voice is better when buried in echo and that sometimes his need to get his heartache story out exceeded the quality of songwriting; but just enough of the time the music was very powerful. I think of him as the quintessential sad 90s musician even if he isnt the best. But some of his songs really are devastating. "I Will Never Let Go" is lovely and bitterly horrible at the same time.

HTRK

I like this band a lot but I wouldnt have listed them here until the most recent album. They remind me of Wolfgang Press a bit.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Joy Division not an influence?

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Yes, definitely but I often tend to forget them because they were immensely influential to so many indie bands. It is strange that they are often listed as the first goth band, because I dont think of them as gothy individuals.
Durutti Column would be a big influence on a lot of these bands.

I forgot Julee Cruise, I think she sits well here.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:54 (four years ago) Permalink

no, that's how i see it too. they were not visually gothy, but you can hear them in a lot of goth bands, especially the vocals.

OutdoorFish, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:56 (four years ago) Permalink

is this where I mention that both Pieter Nooten and Anka Wolbert have overlooked solo albums?

katherine, Friday, 18 October 2013 04:49 (four years ago) Permalink

Good grief, Robert, did you rob my record collection or something? Also that's a pretty huge sprawl of bands and decades there! Offhand one missing entry is In the Nursery. I'd fallen out of touch with And Also the Trees in recent years so was pleased to see they're still keeping on.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 October 2013 12:10 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah this reads like a list of all the bands I was haphazardly checking out in the 90's once I'd exhausted all the usual suspects. Retrospectively I think the only one I really liked was Miranda Sex Garden - they never quite delivered on record but live they were quite something.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 18 October 2013 12:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Oh bugger, I forgot In The Nursery, I made a thread about them a few months ago.

Katherine says "is this where I mention that both Pieter Nooten and Anka Wolbert have overlooked solo albums?"

I'd never heard of them, do go on please.

I recently found out that one of the female singers from the second This Mortal Coil album has her own band and I think I might have forgotten to take note of the band name.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 October 2013 14:21 (four years ago) Permalink

2/3 of the Clan of Xymox ended up on the same smallish label a few years ago. This is pretty representative of Anka's album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZzbyENUE3s

Pieter Nooten's album, off the same label:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmFI3Vuc5E

And correction, Pieter Nooten apparently has MULTIPLE solo albums (different label though) including 2012 and 2013(!) releases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7A22a7UQI

And apparently Anka and Toni Halliday(!!) were working on a project together and at some point mp3s of either the tracks proper or demos were posted online, but they're more or less lost forever. (believe me, I've checked.)

katherine, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:24 (four years ago) Permalink

I was always under the impression that Nooten's last thing was Sleeps With Fishes.

Ned, you were a bit of a catalyst in me getting into some of these bands. I'm sure you've got four or five times more of this stuff than I do. This music is just small enough a niche that I could probably eventually get most of the stuff I want but I've been a very bad music fan for the past few years and I should have more of this stuff. Big gaps in my Dead Can Dance and Banshees collection, and I only have a one or two albums by most of the bands.
I was hoping more would spring to your mind because I'd like to think I've more great bands to discover. Among the wants I want to hear are Angels Of Venice, Eden, Pale Cocoon, Jack Or Jive, Autumn's Grey Solace, Hungry Lucy, Claire Voyant, Speaking Silence, Chandeen, Dark Orange, Basque, Frolic, Love Is Colder Than Death, Weep, The Shroud, Mirabilis, Arcana, Melodyguild, Loreena McKennitt, Collection D'Arnell Andrea and Sleep ∞ Over.
Do any of these bands compare favorably?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 October 2013 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I love Sleep ∞ Over!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_L_NN7sS_Y

gotta lol geir (NickB), Friday, 18 October 2013 16:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Laura Sheeran is another newer act that is very much down this particular alley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnBLUh6eo7U

katherine, Friday, 18 October 2013 16:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Only just catching up with the last Esben & the Witch album. First one left me cold, but this next one is pretty good. Kind of annoyed with myself for having missed it tbh, they're a local band too.

gotta lol geir (NickB), Friday, 18 October 2013 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

also gonna leave this tag here: http://ectoguide.org/genre/ethereal

katherine, Friday, 18 October 2013 16:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Also: Stare, Dark Sanctuary, Aenima, Human Drama, Arcanta, Autumn, Deleyaman, Siddal, Ostia.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 October 2013 16:50 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost -- Ha! I was just noting Arcanta below, actually. So to edit/add on the post as I typed it.

There's a fell swoop of bands up there a few posts back. Of the ones I've heard:

Eden -- VERY DCD. To the point some called them the Australian tribute band to DCD. But enjoyable.

Autumn's Grey Solace -- another post-Cocteaus duo but a nice clutch of albums. Mood music.

Chandeen -- I know I have AN album of theirs around...maybe I reviewed it for the AMG?

Basque -- have the one album, I think; interesting but I'll need to revisit it.

Love Is Colder Than Death -- have an album, no immediate impression.

Weep -- think I've reviewed their most recent. One of the guys who does voices for Venture Bros or something?

Mirabilis -- VAGUE memory of hearing something.

Arcana -- always got them and Arcanta confused early on. Both good but I am more of an Arcanta fan; friendly fellow -- sent me his final album under the name a couple of years back.

Melodyguild -- Suzanne from LSD's band after that, though they only had the one EP I think?

Loreena McKennitt -- more in her own universe, I thought? Somewhere between Jane Siberry, Enya and DCD. HUGE among a lot of people I remember being Mercedes Lackey fans.

Siddal -- DC Cocteausy stuff, nice enough.

Human Drama -- their own thing! Goth trappings, downbeat rock and roll inspirations, early hyperdrama turned into elegant performances, some great unexpected covers, continuing into the follow-on band (can't remember the name right now) and Johnny Indovina's solo career. Great guy, actually. Robert Smith asked him to open up for the Cure in Mexico City earlier this year! Always found it interesting what sticks with Mr. Smith over the years.

Have we mentioned the Hypnos label yet? Or AE Records, who released Lucid? Both curious/cryptic labels that always seemed to skate under the radar; odd in Hypnos's case because they released a slew of things. As for acts, there's always Unto Ashes as well -- prolific as well, great covers/reworkings. Of course if we go that route then full on into acid folk via Tim Renner and Stone Breath...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 October 2013 16:58 (four years ago) Permalink

i always want to love a lot of this stuff but i never end up loving it like i love the original artists that stuff like this is built on. most of the time the reason for this is lack of great songs. or they've got the spirit but lose the feeling. lycia are pretty great though. and also the trees don't really remind me of any of this music though i'm sure if anyone listens to them it would be goths. this is more for goth diehards, i guess. people who stay current with industrial or EBM. people like ned. i find that everything i love about early 80's/4AD/first wave goth/ambient is more than ably covered by metal sub-genres. goth ambient shoegazer metal is everywhere and it just feels stronger to me then anything i've heard by someone like moon seven times or other like-minded groups. i've tried too. listened. bought CDs. in theory i am all for sad boy and girl ambient/gaze. would love to hear something GREAT. whereas my reaction is usually to quote ned above: "nice enough".

i LOVE the cindytalk stuff that has come out in recent years. that to me is evolution and truly great ambient art.

scott seward, Friday, 18 October 2013 17:32 (four years ago) Permalink

and this is the part where i tell people to listen to Troller:

http://troller.bandcamp.com/album/troller

scott seward, Friday, 18 October 2013 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

this thread might have some pointers:

Women in drone and psych

Oh yeah, don't forget the whole Ventricle Records axis - Mauve Sideshow, Mistress Of Strands, Torn Curtain, Angel Provocateur, etc...
― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, March 8, 2006 10:40 PM

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Friday, 18 October 2013 18:43 (four years ago) Permalink

It is true that a lot of these bands are somewhere between Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance with not much to call their own and it is dispiriting to know that my journeys will mostly be into derivative stuff way more than original good stuff. But not many other people are going to do the work and I am very interested in finding good stuff.
I love shoegazing but there is legions of mediocre stuff and I just don't have it in me (or the time!) to dig heavily as others might. It is also a bit depressing that some genre that was exciting at the start tends to get boring at the further reaches.

Also, I think a lot of bands sound derivative first time you hear them but years later you wonder why you thought that. I think a lot of genres sound samey when you first start exploring. I like Black Metal but even a lot of the b-list bands sound too samey to me.
If any metal bands seem to fit well enough in here, go for it. Scott, do you mean Alcest and stuff like that. I've heard Angelic Process are quite metally.

I really do think Lycia, Trance To The Sun, Rise And Fall Of A Decade, In The Nursery are great bands, visionaries and just as good and better than some of the originators. I also think Con Dolore/Polar, Alison's Halo, Lovesliescrushing and Sianspheric are close to the very top shoegazing, personally I'd put these guys ahead of Lush, Ride and Pale Saints (who I also love).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Any other Rise And Fall Of A Decade fans? I urge you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWl2Ckj1a98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7Ibk5EkSU

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:14 (four years ago) Permalink

Maybe more ideas here [http://everynoise.com/engenremap-darkwave.html] and here [http://everynoise.com/engenremap-etherealwave.html].

glenn mcdonald, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Does Virginia Astley belong here?

Love Breathless, have all their albums.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:25 (four years ago) Permalink

i LOVE the cindytalk stuff that has come out in recent years. that to me is evolution and truly great ambient art.

Very, very true. A powerful act still, finding new ways.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 October 2013 19:34 (four years ago) Permalink

That Every Noise At Once site is pretty cool, but listening to samples has made me less optimistic about finding good stuff. Rosewater Elizabeth sounds pretty good, but they are another that has been on my shopping list a while.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 October 2013 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/thevyllies

I saw a couple of Vyllies music videos roughly two years ago and was highly impressed, but their music was bafflingly hard to find for a band who weren't totally obscure. Turns out their complete recordings got put out on 2cd collection very recently. Hooray, I bought it.

A trio of women, not totally derivative, for a few years in the 80s.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 October 2013 23:35 (four years ago) Permalink

the pieter nooten albums beyond sleeps with the fishes are quite good! he's got about half a dozen total, I think?

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 21 October 2013 23:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Thank you thread for namechecking the Vyllies and Cindytalk... LOVING these later Cindytalk albums right now.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 11:33 (four years ago) Permalink

"i always want to love a lot of this stuff but i never end up loving it like i love the original artists that stuff like this is built on."

I have exactly the same problem, especially with "shoegaze"

OutdoorFish, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 12:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm beating a dead horse here a bit but while I think it is generally true that the original stuff is better (as is the case for most genres of anything), I think some of the newer bands I mentioned can be equally as powerful. I hope I didn't give the impression that I fully endorse all those bands I listed above, but I did think all of them were interesting enough to mention if only for a handful of songs.

Some fans say "I love this style so much that I even enjoy the mediocre bands" and some say "I love this style so much that I cant stand to hear it done less than brilliant"; I'm somewhere between those two spots.
I recall when I was just getting into shoegazing and several other genres, the idea of hearing increasingly less potent versions of something I loved was pretty scary. I always like to think back to when I started each genre and think of how sky high my expectations were for the other bands. I thought maybe I should just have stopped buying more and just dreamed of what I would liked to have heard. But even though you get lots of disappointment from exploring, you also get surprises which enrich your life.
Another aspect is that I can come into a genre with expectations I so badly want to see fulfilled, but I have to respect that most bands probably had totally different ambitions and although I love genre labels, you really have to judge a band as an individual thing apart from what you want from a genre.

I think Sianspheric and Lovesliescrushing gave me something I wanted that some of the earlier bands didn't do for me (again, they have no obligation to guess what people might want). I love their expansive lush haziness... actually it's difficult to describe these bands in a way really differentiates between other bands. Because you can write a million reviews for shoegazing, ambient and extreme metal bands and easily make them all sound the same. But when I hear those first 2 Sianspheric albums, it is crystal clear why this works for me and why I think it is way better than most other bands attempts at a similar thing.
Loads of reviews of these bands get compared to all the usual suspects and while I don't want to hear that "this band sounds like Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance, but obviously not as good", I do have a craving for bands with similar goals because all these bands make you see areas you'd like to be explored a bit more.

In some ways I feel I'm kind of selling some of these bands short by lumping them in together. I think HTRK, Aether and The Vyllies do something substantially different from a lot of these bands (not to sell the other bands short that are closer to the originals) but I put them here because I feel they have enough in common and I'd like an excuse to talk about them.

I feel like a bit of a goth traitor/blasphemer here because while I do consider myself a fan of Siouxsie And The Banshees and adore individual songs, I've always been lukewarm about their albums as wholes. Having said that, I have only 5 of their albums: Scream, Juju, Kiss In The Dreamhouse, Hyaena, Peepshow. Peepshow is my favourite.
Some might call them the key band, Robert Smith has often gave me the impression that they sort of wakened him up and made him see possibilities and most of the other bands were fans of them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 19:54 (four years ago) Permalink

you need Kaleidoscope!

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 20:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i love the albums. i love the singles. lots of love. this is the stuff i really got excited by this year:

do you guys like GRAVE BABIES? the nu-jesus&marychain goth underground champs

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 02:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Siouxie has never really grabbed, although you can see the influence on Garlands, which I love. I can only dream of how good that album would have sounded with a mature Raymonde, rather than Will Heggie, who seems to be doing a permanent one man Primary impersonation.

OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

make that 'grabbed me'

OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 03:08 (four years ago) Permalink

I'll need to get some Grave Babies samples.

When we had that massive Cocteau Twins poll recently I was surprised at the range of contrasting opinions. I adore Will Heggie's contribution so much that I wish he did another 2 albums with them. What he did with Lowlife is very different. Did that Lowlife documentary ever get off the ground?
I've not good at spotting instruments so I've never been able to spot what Raymonde did because he is very subtle and his work blends in way more, so I cant always hear him distinctly; I just assume he is great because he is on so many good records.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:40 (four years ago) Permalink

As an example of an original influence on this style I think Echo And The Bunnymen's Ocean Rain is extremely underwhelming. I think it has 2 or 3 great songs but the rest is pretty forgettable.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:47 (four years ago) Permalink

Heaven Up Here would be a better reference point. I like hearing it a lot these days. Sounds great.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 17:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah that one is my favorite of the original four in the end.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Just my reviews for RateYourMusic and Amazon, repeats some of the info I gushed at the top of the thread...

TRANCE TO THE SUN – GHOST FOREST

Ashkelon Sain was previously in This Ascension and Blade Fetish for a brief time but Trance To The Sun has him as the dominant force but not quite solo since the female singers were a defining aspect of their sound.

This first album is different enough to set them apart from other ethereal goth bands but before they became truly distinct. It is dark, meanders mysteriously and evocatively with almost ghostly vocals but doesn’t have the exotic colour and “oomph” of the later albums.
I wish I could hear the words better because I catch interesting things here and there; maybe the remastered version is clearer. I love the song title “Lend Me Your Most Vile”.

“August Rain” had previously appeared as a This Ascension song and Trance To The Sun would return to it later again.

TRANCE TO THE SUN – BLOOM FLOWERS BLOOM!

The characteristic sounds of the band come in here a bit more and better quality tracks in general. Probably succeeds more as an atmospheric journey too.
“Gira Sola” is dedicated to someone in the sleeve notes, it sounds like it was for someone who passed away and it is one of the most beautiful things in any of their albums, easily the best thing on this album.

TRANCE TO THE SUN – VENOMOUS EVE

I think this is when they started being a properly brilliant band. There aren’t many bands where I struggle to choose an essential “if you only get one, get this” record, or picking an ideal introduction album. A lot of my favourite bands maybe have two contenders at most, with exceptions like Swans, REM or Beach Boys there might be as many as 5 I could choose. I feel that way about this band. Venomous Eve, Delirious, Azalean Sea, Urchin Tear Soda and Atrocious Virgin all seem like contenders for a best album of theirs.

The previous two had this feeling of wandering around in dark vague landscapes with hypnotic distant echoes drawing you around. This one really nails their early sound but adds lots of odd touches. A lot more is done with the vocals, quite soft but also banshee like (I don’t mean Siouxsie), and Sain’s fantastic voluptuous bass sound really comes into its own.

The sounds make me think of large tall subterranean dark caverns, while slightly less vague than previous and with more detailed visions, is still filled with suggestive, ominous mystery. The ending that gets louder and really strange is a brilliant finisher.
There might be quite a number of ethereal atmospheric goth albums but I don’t think there is much else quite like this. I don’t think this is territory already explored by earlier similar bands; this underworld is a different place they are luring you to (although I imagine other people imagine totally different places not underground).

Vocalist Zoe Alexandra Wakefield left after this album (there were still tracks of her that appeared on later compilations) and from most interviews I’ve seen with the band members, it seems nobody knows where she went.

TRANCE TO THE SUN – DELIRIOUS

This is probably the their album that excites me most when I think about it in retrospect and the one I have the most urge to replay; that might be because it was the first album I got by the band but I’m not sure.
I’ve seen it listed as an EP but I’m sure it is a full length album and I wouldn’t like people to think it was any less important than the rest. It is very different from anything else they did, a lot brighter and more colourful than the previous albums. I might be influenced by the cover art but I tend to think of oceans of glaring purple/pink lava in several songs.
Dawn Wagner is the vocalist on this one, this is the only album she was on; apparently she left because it was felt she cared about her own solo stuff much more than being in this band. I think she is really fantastic on this, so I’m eager to hear her Scarlet Slipping albums.

When I first got this, I never liked the idea of dancey goth music but I learned from this that it could be energetic and fun but still keep the atmosphere and otherworldly qualities in full force.
It taken me a while to really appreciate the first track because it feels like a slow intro before the album really kicks in, but I love the little story it tells, about this intimate obsessive couple talking about the past “do you remember when we tried to make it rain?”.
There is a really brilliant sequence of really exciting tracks, perhaps 3 or more in a row; working to an extent that I don’t hear often, it keeps a great momentum.

I really really love this album.

TRANCE TO THE SUN – AZALEAN SEA

This is a compilation of salvaged highlights from as many as four aborted albums. It is structured kind of oddly that it starts from most recent material and ending with their older songs. I’d say it was just as important as any of their albums.

Ingrid Blue became the vocalist here and I think she really established herself really well after a few vocalists came and went (including Gordon Sharp from Cindytalk but as far as I know, he didn’t record any songs with them). The songs are mostly rockier than usual, several have this really hard, satisfying, confident strutting quality.

Dara Rosenwasser (Faith and Disease) sings on a track which is strange and has this low almost brooding quality about the sounds but “brooding” really isn’t the emotional quality of the song overall; at first it seemed slapdash to me but there is something pleasingly weird about it.
Ashkelon Sain sings some of the songs himself and although he isn’t as good as the other singers, there are one or two where he manages some interesting things.

TRANCE TO THE SUN – URCHIN TEAR SODA

Much bigger album than the previous albums, more variety and more ambitious. I’m usually not one to care about lyrics that much for most bands, but the combination of sounds and lyrics creates vivid little scenes which I find really fascinating.
I think of Clark Ashton Smith’s exotic colourful lost planets but featuring strange gothy punks with mental issues inhabiting those worlds. The cover art is much better than the other albums and it gives you a fairly good clue to how it sounds.

The version of Pink Floyd’s “Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun” is really great. The end tracks have some very lengthy very psychedelic journeys with lots of different phases. I think this one takes you more different places than the other albums.

TRANCE TO THE SUN – ATROCIOUS VIRGIN

I don’t know if when they recorded this if it was meant as a final album, but it sounds that way to me. Some of the tracks have what I interpret as big celebratory feel; even something like “Homewrecker” with fairly miserable lyrics sounds like it has a sense of wonder about it. A lot of it feels like air travel across weird skies. The word “cunt” makes several appearances.

There is a spoken word piece by someone not from the band, it can be difficult to hear a lot of it but I think it is in the sleeve cards, which have quite a number of interesting paintings by Ingrid Blue; but for some reason this and the previous album are much harder to find on cd than the earlier ones, so I don’t know if people will get the images and lyrics with the mp3 version.

After this Ashkelon Sain formed Submarine Fleet and later collaborated with Soriah; I’m fairly sure Ingrid Blue was in an eccentric punky classical band called Bela Lugosi.
Trance To The Sun got together for some later gigs and I think they are working on a new album now.

SUBMARINE FLEET – IN A CASE OF FIRE

Ashkelon Sain got back with Mark (Marc?) Linder, quite some time after Blade Fetish (though he was in some Trance To The Sun stuff). This sounds far more collaborative for Sain than his previous band; which might be why I’m not quite as into it as Trance To The Sun; but it is good stuff all the same.

SUBMARINE FLEET – A VERY STRANGE SIGHT IN THE DISTANCE

Quite a bit more adventurous than the previous EP. Some really lovely colourful ethereal tracks on this and I do recommend it but I’m glad Sain went onto different things after this. I think he used the name Submarine Fleet for solo improvised shows. I haven’t heard his Soriah collaborations yet but I’m very much looking forward to that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 20:13 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Finished listening to the second Esben And The Witch album. It is much better than the first, but I think "When That Head Splits" is disproportionately better than everything else, a really amazing track.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 November 2013 19:06 (four years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Finished listening to the second Esben And The Witch album. It is much better than the first

Yes, definitely! Took me ages to get round to listening to it cos the first one was so boring but I have become unreasonably obsessed with the second since I heard it. Very post-4AD, kinda reminds me of early Lush, Piano Magic circa Low Birth Weight, even maybe early period Disco Inferno. Love 'When That Head Splits', but I love the opening song too and this one is also lovely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w61LU6AvvPo

grumbling führer (NickB), Thursday, 12 December 2013 19:32 (four years ago) Permalink

I've been meaning to check out Disco Inferno forever.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:02 (four years ago) Permalink

the stuff compiled on In Debt is the most relevant to this thread, but it's the sampled-based music that came afterwards that they're acclaimed for

grumbling führer (NickB), Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Also been listening to that complete Vyllies collection. Starts off very punky and then more elegant synth later on, several horror themed tracks, pleasantly sinister. Some of it more poppy.

Also the Rosewater Elizabeth album Le Petit Mort. The first dreampop album I've ever seen that warns you about the frequencies possibly damaging your sound system. Unusually for an obscure ethereal goth band, the production sounds really expensive and it has a nice depth to it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:23 (four years ago) Permalink

not be all plug-y but some of you may like this band i play bass in
https://soundcloud.com/stealthistrack/shatter-mp3

tylerw, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:29 (four years ago) Permalink

pretty! dunno if it's just the power of suggestion just cos yr in the band tyler, but the chorus sounds a bit neil youngish, like only love can break your heart or something, that kind of lilting voice hanging over things

grumbling führer (NickB), Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

ha, well, i didn't have anything to do with the writing, but I'll take it as a compliment!

tylerw, Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

I've been meaning to check out Disco Inferno forever.

Rightly so.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:09 (four years ago) Permalink

but of course! it's an interesting blend of styles xp

grumbling führer (NickB), Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:11 (four years ago) Permalink

I've been thinking of starting a thread listing all the bands I've wanted to hear for years (some as long ago as a decade) but I'm not sure if there is a point other than getting to shout at each other "drop everything and listen to them now!"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 12 December 2013 23:44 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm glad I'm among friends in this thread, and I do apologize for the events of the other night.

Skinner Box were another wonderful, lost ethereal band. I don't really know much about them, other than that they had two great songs on ancient Projekt compilation, called 'From Across This Gray Land, Vol. 2'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnCTGxqS-o

Sure, it's a little cheesy, but... still fantastic.

I have a couple albums of their's/her's sitting on my hard drive. By the way, I don't know if they're officially called "Skinner Box" or "skinner.box".

Also search the beautiful instrumental track called "Isola" from the aforementioned compilation.

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Friday, 18 December 2015 17:41 (one year ago) Permalink

I know it's a long shot, but I'd like to request some discussion on Ventricle records.
The website/webstore went down a few years ago (it was probably only a p.o. box, anyway), but here's the Discogs page:

http://www.discogs.com/label/17754-Ventricle

I was always extremely interested in this label. Most of their releases, from what I can remember, had ethereal female vocals backed by avant-garde instrumentation -- and all of this was done to an unnerving effect -- and actually almost scary (think 'Marble Index' or Diamanda Galas, but more ethereal). That's what I know from their 30 second mp3 samples, on their old/abandoned/taken down site.

I'd love to know more about the releases on this label. All I have is a Mauve Sideshow album, called "Meet Me in the Wasteland". It is wonderful.

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Friday, 18 December 2015 18:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Concerning Ventricle: their webstore used to have so much more stuff from other labels (than discogs.com shows). They had all the scarier stuff at their shop!

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Friday, 18 December 2015 18:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Monster Mash says

"I'm glad I'm among friends in this thread, and I do apologize for the events of the other night."

Don't know anything about this.

Unfortunately none of that Skinner Box stuff appears to be on CD. Sounds very nice.

Just by chance caught the sight of Mephisto Walz on a sidebar and listened. I thought they were more straight deathrock but it sounds mostly quite fitting with this thread.
Here's "Icarus" from the Immmersion album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC110H5ua7c

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 19 December 2015 21:08 (one year ago) Permalink

I put too many "M"s on Immersion.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 19 December 2015 21:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Unfortunately none of that Skinner Box stuff appears to be on CD.

I have The one CD, currently mouldering in a climate controlled storage unit with most of my possessions.

Here's a not-so-great quality mp3 rip I've had for 15 years. Someday I'll get around to FLACifying my library.

50 Shades of Santa (Sanpaku), Sunday, 20 December 2015 03:04 (one year ago) Permalink

again, i must apologize for only talking about the big/successful ethereal stars (lsd, lycia, black tape, etc).

especially when i promised to talk about/share with ya'll, other lost and wonderful ethereal bands/albums.

i did that a little, at least.

i'm curious about "Live" by Love Spirals Downwards, though (by the way, their name is grammatically incorrect, which they've acknowledged in an interview, and is very funny).

about "Live", however. this is a live, acoustic album by LSD. it's wonderful. they're live stuff is wonderful - it's quite surprising how much those two were capable of with only an acoustic guitar, a voice, and reverb.

i have an mp3 copy of it from soulseek, but the files are defective and have hiccups. does anyone else around here have a good rip of it they could share? i mean, it probably went out of print in 2000. i'd love a good mp3-album of it.

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Sunday, 20 December 2015 23:00 (one year ago) Permalink

their* dammit.

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Sunday, 20 December 2015 23:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Well those bands aren't soon in danger of overexposure so there's no reason we cant talk about them as much as we want.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 December 2015 00:14 (one year ago) Permalink

I just noticed after over a decade, all of my mp3 tags are for Love Spirals Downwards.

50 Shades of Santa (Sanpaku), Monday, 21 December 2015 00:16 (one year ago) Permalink

That strikethrough on the final 's' is less visible than I hoped.

50 Shades of Santa (Sanpaku), Monday, 21 December 2015 00:16 (one year ago) Permalink

by the way, i always disliked bel canto, except for "the glassmaker", which sounds like cocteau twins on crack.

i want to be persuaded to like bel canto! everyone else likes them! i have 'birds of passage', but i've only ever listened to it a few times, eight years ago!

which songs should i try again with?

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Thursday, 24 December 2015 09:03 (one year ago) Permalink

*from any album

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Thursday, 24 December 2015 09:03 (one year ago) Permalink

I've only got Birds Of Passage and I like it a lot.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 24 December 2015 11:59 (one year ago) Permalink

i w9sh you could smile/

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Thursday, 24 December 2015 14:02 (one year ago) Permalink

i wish you could smile.

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Thursday, 24 December 2015 14:02 (one year ago) Permalink

i heard the most beautiful music in a dream, the other night. it was ethereal.

--> it's hard to explain, and it might sound funny: it sounded like a cross between Loop/that Daring Buds' album called 'Erotica'/'Nowhere' by Ride/Hum/Love Spirals Downwards.

I don't know how to explain it, but it was the most beautiful thing I've ever heard, in a dream.

Dream pop, dream rock, post-rock, ethereal wave, etc. It sounded like "universe pop". it was the most beautiful thing i ever heard.

the closest it comes to is 'loveless', but much more, at once, poppy and ethereal with female vocals.

help. i need to hear this again.

black metal is emo for vikings (monster mash), Sunday, 27 December 2015 08:33 (one year ago) Permalink

re: Dream pop, dream rock, post-rock, ethereal wave, etc. It sounded like "universe pop". it was the most beautiful thing i ever heard.

I discovered this 2015 album by British band, Midas Fall that fits your description, earlier this week. and the album is highly recommended.

discovered via:
Abysmal Hymns - the Top 10 Goth Albums of 2015
http://abysmalhymns.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/top-10-goth-albums-of-2015.html

6-Midas Fall : " the Menagerie Inside"

These guys have assembled pieces of many genres and pasted them together into something that is very much their own.The dramatic piano intro was unexpected as I assumed this was going to be more of a indie rock thing than some weird progressive goth. I can hear a slight Tori Amos influence , but the vocally are very over wrought and passionate and not so Kate Bush tinged.No the same time she she is not a goth singer in the vein of Siouxise either, but more along the lines of a less operatic Nightwish or the Gathering. Her influences seem all over the place as their is even a country tinge to her voice on "After Fall". It is draped in majestic elegance. The guitar twinkle around the song rather than going for the typical chug. This a real solid listen that grows on me with every spin and will make its way over the the sacred iPod, fans of bands like Marriages ...this is a must.

Midas Fall – The Menagerie Inside (CD Album – Monotreme)
http://www.side-line.com/midas-fall-the-menagerie-inside-cd-album-monotreme/
Genre/Influences: Post-shoegaze, gothronica, ethereal-psy-rock.

From the very first notes of the first song you’ll discover the heavenly sound universe refined by piano arrangements and the passionate, ethereal like female vocals.

and

Conclusion: Midas Fall is certainly not the most familiar name, but I can assure you that their new opus has the grace and beauty to make them immortal. This is without a shadow of a doubt one of the most poignant and artistic albums of 2015!

Apparently they were formed in Edinburgh and now based in Manchester.

Official website:

Midas Fall
http://www.midasfall.com/

Described as "chiming vocal-led post-rock", Midas Fall have carved a unique sound, combining elements of electronica, post-rock and alt-goth to create "powerful yet fragile, devastatingly beautiful and beautifully devastating" music (Founder Magazine)

This year Midas Fall released their third album 'the Menagerie Inside' on Monotreme Records.

press
http://www.midasfall.com/press

The Menagerie Inside

'The Menagerie Inside will not disappoint. Sit down, plug in, and be prepared for an onslaught on your emotions. Both musically and lyrically.” – Echoes and Dust

“Their best and most accomplished album yet…I hope this is the record that finally takes Midas Fall to the heights of commercial success they so richly deserve. 4.5/5.” – 17 Seconds

“A beautiful, lonely, haunting, abrasive, intelligent set of songs by a band who really do deserve the future to be theirs. 9/10.” – Reflections of Darkness

"The Menagerie Inside bridges prog and dreampop in a way that hasn't quite been done this way before…a splendid album.” – Pop Matters

“Taut, emotive instrumental drama pervading the album is balanced by Heaton’s rich, bright tone…a breathtaking album…” – Factory Worker Media

"Concrete compositions and gripping performances" - Rocking GR

Midas Fall - The Menagerie Inside

spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/album/72q4NMDbRBzyhdZSHE6yy1

Piccadilly records:
http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/prod/MidasFall-TheMenagerieInside-MonotremeRecords-104822.html

Described as "powerful yet fragile, devastatingly beautiful and beautifully devastating" by The Founder Magazine, UK-based quartet MIDAS FALL have carved a distinctive and captivating sound, fusing elements of electronica, post-rock, shoegaze and alternative rock with progressive and gothic undertones to create taut, shimmering soundscapes led by the hauntingly melancholic vocals of Elizabeth Heaton. Forged in Edinburgh, Scotland and now based in the north of England, the eclectic collective – founding members Heaton and Rowan Burn (guitar, piano) with Steven Pellatt (drums/percussion/piano) and Chris Holland (bass) – has spent the past year composing the follow-up to their 2013-issued Wilderness full-length.

Titled The Menagerie Inside, MIDAS FALL’s third long player was captured live at Red Wall Studios, mastered by Seattle legendary engineer Ed Brooks (Pearl Jam, Caspian, Fleet Foxes et al) and offers up ten sprawling tracks of sonic enormity. From the sorrowing echo of wilting violins in “Counting Colours,” to the emotionally gutting close of “Circus Performer,” the forty-six-minute epic is as heavy sonically as it is cerebrally. An introspective journey through dark and light, The Menagerie Inside is at once graceful, urgent and star-gazingly compelling. Cascading riffs ebb, flow and surge into rich, ethereal piano crescendos, the weight of Heaton’s delicate angelic resonance adding depth to her every echoing word. With The Menagerie Inside, MIDAS FALL manifests a sound and atmosphere that’s organic, emotionally stirring and habitually awe-inspiring, further verifying the strength of their songcraft and musicianship.

rym:

Midas Fall - The Menagerie Inside
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/midas_fall/the_menagerie_inside/

Elizabeth Heaton
vocals, guitar, piano, synthesizer, recording engineer, mixing engineer

Rowan Burn
guitar, piano

Steven Pellatt
drums, percussion, piano

Chris Holland
bass

Ed Brooks
mastering engineer

Midas Fall
songwriting

Joni Fuller
strings

via ILM search

their only previous mention on ILM was by Glenn Mcdonand on New and Noteworthy Additions to US Spotify on board I Love Music on Sep 18, 2015

djmartian, Sunday, 27 December 2015 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink

honestly, i got a serious drinking problem, and i'm probably not fit for ilx, anymore... anyway, i'm doing my best to stay straight in this thread (it's my favorite genre and the main thing i care about on ilm).

as promised, i'd like to key you guys in on another obscure, ethereal band, called:

Velvet Belly

(they must have taken the name from This Mortal Coil).
check them out on Discogs, here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/82221-Velvet-Belly

i felt sentimental about this band from day one... and, i'm not quite sure why. i don't even love them or anything, but they really are a special little band, in their own way.
i don't have too much to say, there's just something about them, though.

they're another one of those bands that straddle the line between actual ethereal wave and actual dream pop (with some indie pop flourishes).
i must have all of their albums -- i'd say just start with the first and work from there.

for fans of: Area/Moon Seven Times, Ars Poetica, Elysium, Johanna's House of Glamour

i'm not exactly sure how i found out about them, but i suspect it may have been through the Ectophiles' Guide: http://ectoguide.org/genre/ethereal
(which is, actually, a really good resource for ethereal goth if you take your time with it).

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 13:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Also: projekt really, REALLY, needs to reissue that Heavenly Bodies album. I'm guessing it's the sax that turns Mr. Rosenthal off.

Anyway, projekt fans would love it, and it's an absolutely essential piece of the history of this genre (it featured Caroline Seaman of This Mortal Coil on main vox).

More importantly, however (I know, I've said this before), it's the first fully realized ethereal goth album not on 4AD. Yes, yes, 4AD had the ethereal goth thing going for a while before this album, and a few non-4AD bands did similar things too, but for me, this album is really where the genre takes off and, how to say this... makes it OK to be a 4AD band not on 4AD.

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 13:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I really want that Heavenly Bodies album. Hard to find at a good price.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Well, I'm quite drunk now, but I did my part today, by talking about a couple of old, obscure, wonderful ethereal bands.

Now i'm a break it down and tell a little story
Straight out the box, from the gothic category

^ That's an Eazy-E reference, but I don't know if anyone gets it here. ANYWAY.

So, I decided to go to Goth Night a few months ago, for the first time [I will not say at what club/location, for personal reasons].
I don't even have any irl "goth" friends, so I decided to just go on my own, since I was drinking, bored, and curious.

So, I went alone.

I'm more of a death rocker and ethereal waver, although those two have nothing to do with each other, if that makes sense, if it matters.

Anyway. So, I get to the club alone. It's a club I go to often, but I've never been there on Goth Night.
So, I don't really know anyone there, except for the bouncers and barkeeps.
I just hang around in the backroom for a while - smoking, drinking cheap beer, mingling, joining and leaving groups, having an all-around OK time.

After a while, jeez, I must have been really drunk, I entered into a suspicious circle.

All I remember is this girl asking if she could bite my neck. I was probably just like ". . . O. . . K. . . If you must".
So, I let her bite my neck really,REALLY, REALLY, hard. I can't believe she didn't draw blood.
(She said she was an expert at not drawing blood.)
The thing is, she bit my right side... I felt uneven... So I asked her to bite my left side.
(She did.)
She said she gets that all the time, after biting people.

I think I let her bite my wrist, too.

It isn't like any of this needed to happen, but I live without a care, so whatever.

I never saw her again. I'm not quite sure how I got home that night (it must have been an expensive, single cab).

I still feel funny remembering it.

And, that's the story. That's the story about my FEELINGS.

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Robert: private message me, about, ya know, the stuff

::cough::cough::heavenly bodies::cough::cough::

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think I sufficiently praised Rosewater Elizabeth for their second album upthread (I still need a digital music player so I can hear their debut). It has one of the things I find most lacking in ethereal/dreampop: unusual structures. I know it's called dreamPOP and Cocteau Twins got an amazing mileage out of mostly sticking to a fairly predictable structure, but this type of music is begging for more experimental and symphonic structures. The later Trance To The Sun albums have a lot of longer tracks on them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:49 (one year ago) Permalink

oh, man. i need to talk about rosewater elizabeth! i dislike them! except for "milk", which is kind of an incredible song.
i think i'll listen to it, now. it's been years.

Monsieur Gilmour, let me know if you got the stuff, ::cough::cough::heavenly bodies::cough::cough::

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

My favourite Rosewater Elizabeth is "If Evil Is A Hollow Man".

They turned into a band called Underwater. Listed as triphop, so I doubt I'll like them as much but their albums are ultra cheap, so I'll have to try them some time.

Then one member joined an indie folktronica band called Allegra Gellar, named after the character from eXistenZ, they even have a song called Jennifer Jason Leigh.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 16:35 (one year ago) Permalink

Death To The Demoness Allegra Gellar!

¿ʇıɐʍ ʎɥʍ ˙ǝsdɐןןoɔ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

Good insights into Rosewater, Robert. And, also, great insights during your early posts here, as well.

I never liked Rosewater Elizabeth much, though. However, as I said, I love "Milk", so I feel like I should give their album another shot, and probably check out their other eps, based on the strength of that song.

I hate speaking ill of any ethereal band, and I worry that band members could see this, so... I don't want to be to critical or say anything too harsh. Overall... Rosewater just wasn't my thing, although I love their influences. Anyway, I should give them another listen. Other people like them.

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Friday, 1 January 2016 08:48 (one year ago) Permalink

too critical*

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Friday, 1 January 2016 08:49 (one year ago) Permalink

fucking hell. i'm about to listen to "pandora (for cindy)" by the twins.

i haven't heard it in some five years. this is my comfort music.

i was psychologically abused by a pathological liar and a person with actual Narcissistic Personalty Disorder. it's gone on for years, so, i drink now.

i just want to hear this song, and i just want my thoughts to fuck off (hundreds of hours of thoughts about the trauma this person caused me).

i used to listen to this song when i was a boy. i want to go back.

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Friday, 1 January 2016 09:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Don't know what to say, I have no experience with this stuff but I wish you well.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 1 January 2016 12:45 (one year ago) Permalink

i shouldn't have said that stuff.

i'm having my last drink, right now. i will probably be back at the mental hospital by the end of the day.

i'm very ill. i'm sorry.

i'll be back back in a couple weeks. (the sundays are my favorite band! i hope you download my heavenly bodies link, robert!)

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Friday, 1 January 2016 18:37 (one year ago) Permalink

I listened to Heavenly Bodies and "An Obsession" in particular is very good.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 January 2016 17:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm on drrugs:!! B. I love u:

Heavenly bodies is quite good

It's such a Fred Durst thing to do. (monster mash), Sunday, 3 January 2016 14:52 (one year ago) Permalink

did you ever listen to Heavenly Bodies, Robert?

I'm still fucked up.

existence is punishment (monster mash), Friday, 15 January 2016 20:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes, I'm enjoying it. I bought the Facing The Other Way book recently and it mentions them doing gigs among 4AD bands and that they had former Dead Can Dance members.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 January 2016 21:38 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah, i was always aware of the rumor they had former dcd members, but, then again, the only real members of dcd were lisa gerrard and brendan perry. it's all a wash, but however, as i've fuck-upedly bumbled on about, - Heavenly Bodies are important - so, i'm glad we got that straight. i know it's hard to believe coming from me, but still...

randomly (importantly): search the steve roach remix of black tape for a blue girl's "kinski". it's on a "million tear-stained memories). you need this.

ah. otherwise, finish up collecting the dewdrops catalog. i don't know.

it may have sounded arrogant when i earlier called myself an expert on this genre. well, i am, but i fell out of touch with it about six years ago. Robert, you probably know as much (or perhaps more) than i do at this point.

i might need to leave ilx/ilm, but, before i leave this thread...

- check the c'est la mort discography on discogs
- as above for projekt, obviously (and the webstore especially - much of that ethereal stuff for sale isn't even on projekt)
- as above for hyperiume, obviously (discogs)
- double check third mind on discogs (it's mostly straight darkwave, with some ethereal thrown in)
- check out kalinkaland (sp?)
- check out ventricle records on discogs (mysterious, lost, ambient-ethereal-goth as hell label)
- if you want ethereal ambient, check out the Hypnos label on discogs (this has little to do with anything in this thread, unless you like sad as hell-dreamy ambient stuff)
- check out the --ethereal-- section on the Ectophile's Guide to Good Music

I might be forgetting things. I'm trying, however! I'll come back and speak plainly about it, if I recall something else (won't post anymore nonsense).

existence is punishment (monster mash), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 00:43 (one year ago) Permalink

hyperium*

existence is punishment (monster mash), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 00:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

My favourite tracks from Lycia's A Line That Connects are the three that sound quite like something from Tripping Back Into The Broken Days and Time Has Come And Gone. "Blue" is particularly good. It's a great style and I wonder if they could explore it much further.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 25 April 2016 19:16 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Black Tape For A Blue Girl have a new album and they've returned to their original style (weehee). Oscar came back and brought his daughter into the band.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 26 August 2016 13:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Yup. Entertaining stuff.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:16 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Faith And The Muse - Annwyn, Beneath The Waves. Apparently all based on Welsh mythology, there's a Welsh folk song, one track takes some Goethe for the lyrics, the sleeve has lots of centuries old poetry. "The Dream Of Macsen" and "The Birds Of Rhiannon" are brilliant.
Really love this album, it's probably even better than Elyria (although my memory of it isn't too sharp). Bigger soundscapes I think.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Slightly relieved that Tara Vanflower doesn't like Trump.

Lycia uploaded a lot of pre-Wake material

https://soundcloud.com/lyciummusic-lycia

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 19:39 (one year ago) Permalink

And speaking of Projekt -- interviewed Sam himself for my latest Bandcamp piece:

https://daily.bandcamp.com/2016/11/09/projekt-records-guide-sam-rosenthal-interview/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 18:53 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Thanks for the article. Only taken me two months to finally read it. Somehow never noticed they were going more in an ambient direction. Interesting that Plaster is on the new Black Tape album.

In the last days of 2016, Trance To The Sun's newest album Via Subterranea came out.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 18:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Faith & Disease - Insularia.

Maybe their most varied studio album (haven't heard the final one yet), taken me an unusually long time to get into this and I might need to come back to it another year to get a fuller effect from it.

"Yellow Dress" must be one of their best songs. I much prefer the first half of "Marie Don't Sleep In Your Makeup" to the second part. There's a cover of Cowboy Junkies "Witches" (not familiar with the original). I like the pairing of "Violet II" and "Space Song II".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 23:30 (five months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Rosewater Elizabeth - Faint

Such a lovely album, more enjoyable overall than Le Petit Morte, but I like the latter just as much because it's more adventurous, unique and the best parts are possibly better. Not sure though. Faint is definitely more watery.
"It Swallows Me Whole" has beautiful drumming.

Great band, they should rank fairly high among the bands on this thread. Now I have to check out the band that came after: Underwater. Odds and ends of Rosewater Elizabeth are probably too hard to find right now, apart from an album of remixes which I'll pass on for now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 00:02 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Quiet revive to note that Projekt, no doubt in response to my post from two years ago, have re-issued Lycia's Ionia in a limited run of 500 CDs! With t-shirts and tote bags, even, so I can bring Lycia to the farmer's market.

It sounds great, especially blasting it driving down country roads on a freezy winter night.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 7 December 2017 05:28 (five days ago) Permalink

I've been enjoying Speaking Silence and I'll write more about them soon.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 8 December 2017 13:55 (four days ago) Permalink


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