Janet Jackson - All For You

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this album is pretty fuckin great imo

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 04:02 (six years ago) link

basically no discussion about it on ilm from what i can tell tho

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 04:04 (six years ago) link

even carly simon rapping somehow works, still haven't quite figured that one out yet

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 04:05 (six years ago) link

some real classic singles on here plus shit like "love scene" + "truth" are awesome

kinda derivative of her two previous albums in places ("you ain't right" and "trust a try" plus "feels so right," which is just derivative of "someone to call my lover") but i think her & jam + lewis kinda toe a line on this where the production is so completely on point that it makes up for it not being front to back mindblowing from a songwriting or conceptual standpoint

also the skit where they simulate the "glow of love" groove with phone beeps is prob her best skit besides "speaker phone"

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 04:14 (six years ago) link

they shoved "doesn't really matter" into the tracklisting so it's great on principle

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 August 2013 05:44 (six years ago) link

honestly i haven't heard this record since around the time it came out (big janet jackson stan in high school/most of my life) so i'll get back to you

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 August 2013 05:54 (six years ago) link

well i'm pretty sure i haven't heard "all for you" the song since 2001 either and 12 years later in my life i can say that's an incredible "glow of love" flip

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 August 2013 06:28 (six years ago) link

i'm actually having an incredible experience identifying this as a sample, it's really brought the dynamism of the backing track out in a way that i never noticed the thousand times i saw the video on vh1. also vocoded janet!

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 August 2013 06:30 (six years ago) link

"All 4 You" is one of my favourite house party jams.

This album is great.

Tim F, Sunday, 18 August 2013 07:02 (six years ago) link

This is a great album. I only got round to hearing it after the Jacksons poll. I might even prefer it to Control which was always my Janet album of choice.

Kitchen Person, Sunday, 18 August 2013 09:01 (six years ago) link

I can't call it great: it's good, although I'm tempted to overrate it because of what followed. I don't think the beats or body talk are as sharp as what we'd heard on its predecessors. I'll give it another shot -- it's been years.

"Doesn't Really Matter" is terrific.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 12:03 (six years ago) link

i haven't heard the album but i loved all the singles

dyl, Sunday, 18 August 2013 14:56 (six years ago) link

when i was in college i heard a mediocre a cappella group performing the title track and i yelled out the "EDIT 4 3 2 1 chk" part from the audience and everyone else laughed :'(

dyl, Sunday, 18 August 2013 14:58 (six years ago) link

no discussion of how eyebrow-raising "would you mind" is?

lex pretend, Sunday, 18 August 2013 18:53 (six years ago) link

"son of a gun" is a ton better than i remember; at the time it came across a bit like a lazy attempt to redo "got til it's gone" (well, it still is, but a trick can work twice i guess)

lex pretend, Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:00 (six years ago) link

yeah it's really pretty decent

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:04 (six years ago) link

weird, "would you mind" isn't on spotify

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:05 (six years ago) link

since they came out around the same time, "all for you" sounds like a lost classic off 'fever'

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:06 (six years ago) link

Derivative or not, I really love "You Ain't Right."

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:12 (six years ago) link

"When We Oooo" is probably my fave of the four-deep, album-killing ballad stretch.

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:12 (six years ago) link

I guess it's futile to argue that Fever does bubble-disco better than Janet could at the time except to note that Fever doesn't feel as ponderous.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:14 (six years ago) link

The stuff that doesn't work on the album, tho, is just sad. "Better Days" doesn't come close to replicating the bittersweet unconvincingly-optimistic vibe of "Special" on the previous album. And as simple and meh as "Together Again" sounds in retrospect, it at least still works on the strength of its dedication; in contrast, "Come On Get Up" is the sound of a dead party desperately trying to lift off.

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:16 (six years ago) link

I guess it's futile to argue that Fever does bubble-disco better than Janet could at the time except to note that Fever doesn't feel as ponderous.

not so much futile as obvious imo, but janet has always been and will always be a more compelling on-record persona than kylie, which is why you get the "oh this is actually more interesting than i remember" re-evaluations more with her (but obv fever was much bigger at the time!)

lex pretend, Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:20 (six years ago) link

xp Kylie started sounded ponderous soon enough thereafter

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:21 (six years ago) link

like, when you go back to a record after a decade, you forget the trend-chasing and immediate context that may have made you cringe at the time, you hear the personality and songwriting much more

lex pretend, Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:22 (six years ago) link

Have we finally passed that point where The Velvet Rope sounded really really dated yet?

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:22 (six years ago) link

An album's only dated when it sounded so at the time, i.e. "oh it's using ideas and technology in the most commonplace 1997 manner."

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:24 (six years ago) link

I don't own the album anymore. But I made a note to listen on Spotify tomorrow.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:25 (six years ago) link

Yeah, but "Together Again" really blurred the line between dated and retro.

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:33 (six years ago) link

I don't consider it dated though

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f46ulX6uwGc

markers, Sunday, 18 August 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link

come on eric "empty" still sounds like the future

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:08 (six years ago) link

Yeah I was going to say I don't rate The Velvet Rope that much at all but Empty is incredible and could be put out as a single right now.

Kitchen Person, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:11 (six years ago) link

the velvet rope is a fucking masterpiece

lex pretend, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:23 (six years ago) link

weird, "would you mind" isn't on spotify

iirc that's bc it's the clean version

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:26 (six years ago) link

i could see "together again" sounding a bit dated but -- to say nothing of "empty" -- there's several tracks on that album that sound pretty timeless to me: "go deep," "i get lonely," "free xone," "got til it's gone" even

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:31 (six years ago) link

Velvet Rope is like the Last Train To Paris of its time

some dude, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:37 (six years ago) link

oh man

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:38 (six years ago) link

pretty much

lex pretend, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:38 (six years ago) link

sister record to erotica obv

lex pretend, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:38 (six years ago) link

the velvet rope is a fucking masterpiece

― lex pretend

balls, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:40 (six years ago) link

Yeah pretty perfect album.

Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:41 (six years ago) link

said it before and i'll say it again: control->velvet rope is a better four album run than anyone else in her family managed

balls, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:46 (six years ago) link

I don't see "All 4 You" as having much to do with Fever, maybe because I'm so protective of the sparkly gussied up disco-r&b miniature trend of which it was the peak (see also Mya's "Free", Chante Moore's "Straight Up").

Tim F, Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:31 (six years ago) link

said it before and i'll say it again: control->velvet rope is a better four album run than anyone else in her family managed

― balls,

Bad has its fans (I'm not one). Off The Wall >>> Control but Thriller vs Rhythm Nation is trouble.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:44 (six years ago) link

lol i don't know if i'd rate off the wall above control

i mean i love all of off the wall but portions of that second side are kinda soggy

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 August 2013 22:02 (six years ago) link

Have you listened to the last few tracks of Control recently?

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Monday, 19 August 2013 01:07 (six years ago) link

I wasn't saying I don't like Velvet Rope, btw. I still think it's her last great album. "Go Deep," "Got Til It's Gone," "You" and "Anything" all still sound amazing.

But apparently I wrapped so much of my love for that album in '98 along with my love for "Together Again," and when the bloom fell off that rose, well ...

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Monday, 19 August 2013 01:09 (six years ago) link

Poor little flower. Dropped her petals and went deep.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 01:11 (six years ago) link

"Velvet Rope," and I guess "Rhythm Nation," too, leave me weirdly conflicted about all the skits and interlude. They totally break the momentum and often seem kinda silly (though not as silly as, say, the Kirstie Alley bits on that Prince album!), but they're such an important part of those albums, not a la De La Soul (or as entertaining) but certainly in accord with Janet's inscrutable vision, which at the very least always sounds awesome.

Saw her on this tour and thought she was terrible - it was like those skits and interludes come to life - but people I know who saw her on that smaller theater tour she did a couple of years ago said she was great.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 August 2013 04:05 (six years ago) link

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_91AeL-Ms

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 August 2013 04:05 (six years ago) link

Have you listened to the last few tracks of Control recently?

yeah they're pretty great imo

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 19 August 2013 05:35 (six years ago) link

Well that backfired.

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Monday, 19 August 2013 11:33 (six years ago) link

Honestly surprised this is a new thread. Did we really not talk about this at ALL before?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 August 2013 12:05 (six years ago) link

some scattered discussion in the damita jo and janet albums threads but nah not really

J0rdan S., Monday, 19 August 2013 12:42 (six years ago) link

Listened to this in the car yesterday, and was only mildly surprised to find that the slow middle section sounded the best after the title track. "China Love" has some of the extra tight drum programming that marked this era of J&L interpolating some of Timbaland's style into their work. The atmospherics on both "Love Scene" and "Would You Mind" make it feel like she's getting busy at the Rainforest Cafe.

"Feels So Right" also a highlight. Had forgotten that the album redux of "Doesn't Really Matter" got a really sloppy sounding re-edit.

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:08 (six years ago) link

I still just don't get "Trust a Try."

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:08 (six years ago) link

The atmospherics on both "Love Scene" and "Would You Mind" make it feel like she's getting busy at the Rainforest Cafe.

stiff house drinks!

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:09 (six years ago) link

The wash on "Love Scene" also put me in mind of cut scenes from mid-90s sci-fi video games.

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:13 (six years ago) link

I loved all of it, those four songs I used to scapegoat.

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:14 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

i think it's really nice that you started this thread Jordan

never heard the full album before, it's nice (the opening track!)

i have spoken with friends before about how this was like a new genre of music

surm, Monday, 21 October 2013 13:32 (six years ago) link

... altho this Carly Simon shit is better to pretend it never happened

surm, Monday, 21 October 2013 14:03 (six years ago) link

I love "glow of love" so much that I kinda resented this song, but now I'm over that and see it for the jam it always was

love that intro followed by the "EDIT" voice cutting in- so sick

the tune was space, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:36 (six years ago) link

I remember some of the longtime Janet campers clutching the pearls at her guessing she was going to have to ride his nice package tonight.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 21 October 2013 16:47 (six years ago) link

"son of a gun" was borderline awesome ok

dyl, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:55 (six years ago) link

so was the package-riding line

dyl, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:55 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

listening to this again this morning

it's funny how formulaic this is in the context of the two albums that came before it -- you can almost see them working off a checklist. but it's kinda enjoyable for that very reason. if you think of janet->velvet rope->all for you as a triptych, all for you holds more weight than you might initially expect.

i think the ballad section of this holds up really well, definitely just from an atmospheric perspective. the only part that is bad i think is "trust a try" ("remember 'if'?") and the carly simon joint ("remember 'got til it's gone'?")

& really it's hard to imagine a run of three consecutive pop singles for the time better than "doesn't really matter" -> "all for you" -> "someone to call my lover"

J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 September 2015 16:05 (four years ago) link

I'd somehow never heard this album until very recently and was really taken aback with how formulaic it was, especially after how much she spent her previous 4 albums pushing in different directions. "Doesn't Really Matter" and (especially) "Someone to Call My Lover" are great singles tho. I'd always take "Glow of Love" over "All For You" tho.

best beloved george benson (The Reverend), Sunday, 6 September 2015 02:10 (four years ago) link

It's kind of experimental for her to program a 25-minutes bloc of R&B balladry right smack in the middle of the set.

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Sunday, 6 September 2015 02:22 (four years ago) link

if i'd first heard this album in real time having heard all the others in real time as well i'd've been sorely disappointed but because i only heard the singles at the time and the full album years later i can appreciate what's enjoyable about it much more

lex pretend, Sunday, 6 September 2015 12:58 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

DJ at wedding on Sat dropped a cool mix of "Someone To Call My Lover" which was a jam! Good times, sounded insane on a real soundsystem.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 June 2016 04:05 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

How did I get here? Think I’d know what I did. Always worked real hard. Maybe I missed something. I’m not into pointing fingers, showing who’s right or wrong. I just want to keep it real, cause maybe I was doing fine on my own.

calstars, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:16 (ten months ago) link

nine months pass...

https://open.spotify.com/track/04vjw8agTLqxPPrP9a9yAk

calstars, Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:18 (one week ago) link


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