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markers, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 00:46 (six years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/X68XXAF.jpg

markers, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 00:53 (six years ago) link

Katy Perrys not my favorite. Her parents though gave my friend a bunch of $$ once (he is an accordian player/busker in gettysburg pa)

fervently nice (Treeship), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 01:10 (six years ago) link

Katy Perry: Part of Me >> Justin Bieber: Never Say Never

blatant marvin jack (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 01:31 (six years ago) link

kinda terrified of her not being able to work with dr luke again but we should get at least 1 good single

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 July 2013 02:26 (six years ago) link

so wait is bonnie mckee's entire career a way to keep dr. luke dr. luking (although I know there've been pushes for it to exist at least a year prior)

katherine, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 02:30 (six years ago) link

lol @ the all lower-case title for a thread that's probably going to wind up with 18,000 posts. It's called "presentation," markers!

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 02:59 (six years ago) link

her not being able to work with dr luke again is probably a good thing since most of his songs lately have been ass (and usually not doing well on the charts, which i guess would matter for someone like katy)

dyl, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 03:06 (six years ago) link

I'm actually surprised that Bonnie McKee's American Girl wasn't co-written or produced by Dr Luke.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 03:12 (six years ago) link

Greg Kurstin has been producing for this apparently.

Greer, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 04:46 (six years ago) link

Well, he and Sia seem to travel in a pack.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 04:53 (six years ago) link

She is vile.

Simon H., Tuesday, 30 July 2013 05:27 (six years ago) link

sometimes i think that secretly benny blanco was the real reason for dr. luke's 2010 reign of terror on the billboard top 10

dyl, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 08:24 (six years ago) link

lmao is kp going altered zones

r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 08:48 (six years ago) link

probably be about as listenable as laurel halo tbf

r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 08:51 (six years ago) link

the title makes me think that Katy will be covering Dark Side of the Moon for this album.

arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 10:19 (six years ago) link

Greg Kurstin has been producing for this apparently.

― Greer, Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:46 AM (18 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

part of me is yay, part of me wishes he would spend his time on not katy perry

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 22:54 (six years ago) link

THIS IS THE PART OF ME

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 22:55 (six years ago) link

katy perry in listening to fun. shocker

http://donxxx.tumblr.com/post/57879423842/world-premiere-katy-perry-roar

roa-oa-oa-oa-oa-oar

uberweiss, Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:19 (six years ago) link

The little Lumineers-y "hey!" stabs are making me die inside.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:25 (six years ago) link

this sucks, unsurprisingly!

uberweiss, Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:30 (six years ago) link

I don't know how I'll feel in two years about it. I originally thought "Firework" was one of the dumbest things I ever laid ears on, and now I love it unconditionally.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:31 (six years ago) link

it's like mixing the lumineers, fun. and ke$ha in a blender and the result being almost as bad as you could have imagined

uberweiss, Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:38 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FtjSa3y6mg

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:49 (six years ago) link

i don't hate it, amazingly (give it time, though). it's like a more tolerable "Girl On Fire."

some dude, Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:27 (six years ago) link

i'm shocked i like this but i do

lyrics are crazy dumb tho

J0rdan S., Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:29 (six years ago) link

despite despising all but like 3 of katy perry's singles i'm still somehow terrified of what's gonna come of this album w/ no dr luke involvement

an interesting bit of stockholm syndrome

J0rdan S., Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:31 (six years ago) link

i really wish the lyrics on this weren't so awful... even worse than firework

J0rdan S., Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:31 (six years ago) link

I now wish i'd been louder 6 months ago when predicting that her next single would incorporate elements of civil war wave. I haven't heard the song yet, but just from reading the last page of posts... in writing it's predictable as hell.

sup (billstevejim), Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:40 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjecYugTbIQ

markers, Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:44 (six years ago) link

pretty sure dr. luke IS on this album after all: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/katy-perry-reteams-with-dr-luke-for-new-album-20130419

it appears that "roar" is luke/max/bonnie.

some dude, Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:50 (six years ago) link

"[Wells] allows me to vomit words," Perry said.

wait she does that intentionally?!

uberweiss, Saturday, 10 August 2013 16:47 (six years ago) link

Pretty much her signing technique.

LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:04 (six years ago) link

thanking you ward fowler, that was tremendous

r|t|c, Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:11 (six years ago) link

it's ok

dyl, Saturday, 10 August 2013 18:48 (six years ago) link

wow, another empowerment anthem for gays and 12 year old girls, i'm so shocked

musically, Saturday, 10 August 2013 18:56 (six years ago) link

so sick of pop music pandering to lions, too

some dude, Saturday, 10 August 2013 18:57 (six years ago) link

did you hear this Ward? katy perry sending a special message to Boycott. pretty funny.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01dz5mh

cajunsunday, Saturday, 10 August 2013 19:24 (six years ago) link

needs actual roars

katherine, Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:16 (six years ago) link

"Perry also called working with "California Gurls" and "Teenage Dream" collaborator Bonnie McKee 'like an emotional abuse session'..."

ah, sensitive as always

katherine, Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:23 (six years ago) link

As a songwriter she has this obnoxious habit of using cliched metaphors and turns of phrases in lieu of more specific lyrical details and this song might be the worst offender in her catalog on this front: bite my tongue, rock the boat, brush off the dust, eye of the tiger, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, zero to hero.

she seems the kind of person who would think the stock phrases on a motivational poster are actually really poignant.

Greer, Saturday, 10 August 2013 22:37 (six years ago) link

homie its ok if u want to say she's dumb

what does ;_; mean in remorse code (m bison), Saturday, 10 August 2013 22:38 (six years ago) link

keep in mind this is the person who wrote "do you ever feel like a plastic bag drifting through the wind wanting to start again" and expected it to be meaningful

katherine, Sunday, 11 August 2013 02:53 (six years ago) link

what would a plastic bag be doing with its second chance anyway

j., Sunday, 11 August 2013 02:57 (six years ago) link

http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/recycle3.jpg

some dude, Sunday, 11 August 2013 03:20 (six years ago) link

http://www.etsy.com/search?q=recycled+plastic+bags

1staethyr, Sunday, 11 August 2013 03:20 (six years ago) link

recycled plastic bags man
could be anything, another bag, a bottle, a rly cheap dildo, breathing tubes, hulk hogans shirt, a slip n slide, a project runway dress. sky's the limit, thats why the song is so inspiring 2 me.

what does ;_; mean in remorse code (m bison), Sunday, 11 August 2013 03:34 (six years ago) link

unsurprisingly i love ROAR to bits

surm, Monday, 12 August 2013 19:26 (six years ago) link

(sounds good in the car btw)

surm, Monday, 12 August 2013 19:26 (six years ago) link

roar is just kp singing successories slogans over sara bareilles verses and butch walker choruses and the 'two weeks' beat

w/e

maura, Monday, 12 August 2013 19:32 (six years ago) link

nice

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:18 (two years ago) link

like a pendulum / it all comes back around

deep. this must be that new social consciousness she is going on about.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:32 (two years ago) link

david turner argued this in a piece today but isn't a part of the shift here not just creative but also abt the market shifting towards streaming and away from single sales & radio as major #influencers

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:40 (two years ago) link

we all know that three is the maximum number of michelin stars

Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:52 (two years ago) link

you say "5-star michelin" and the youngsters growing up on chef's table know you're a fraud

Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:54 (two years ago) link

to me it seems like the industry is putting a lot of effort into trying to retain radio's relevance when it comes to exposing consumers to new music. the huge disparity between what tends to be on the pop radio charts vs. what's doing well on the streaming services to me suggests that radio is making a pretty strong effort to hold on to some subset of 'mainstream pop' music that it can successfully introduce to its audience without just taking spotify et al's lead.

unfortunately for them they've been struggling massively to do this. to use katy perry as an example: "chained to the rhythm", as expected, performed poorly on the streaming services, but it also sold poorly and got terrible feedback in audience research (even "bad and boujee", which was obviously a huge streaming hit but which pop radio barely wanted to touch, did better on in mainstream top 40 audience research). the same pattern has held for many other songs top 40 radio's been trying to play in hopes of finding its own unique 'mainstream pop' hits. meanwhile, on the other side, labels tend to have to resort to costly measures to market these singles to radio because their sales and streaming stats are so paltry, namely discounting them on itunes for months on end and having them featured incessantly on the front page's "hot tracks" section, with both of these tactics costing a lot of money (not to mention lost revenue when discounted).

in the end, the only songs top 40 is breaking with ease are the edm-pop collabos like zedd x alessia cara and kygo x selena gomez, which, surprise surprise, actually pull pretty decent streaming numbers. once digital singles retail is killed off, which may come sooner than we all imagine with all this discounting nonsense happening (this is what killed the us's physical singles market too, btw), i think top 40 radio will have little choice but to follow streaming's lead.

dyl, Friday, 9 June 2017 22:20 (two years ago) link

i should add that while i'm talking mostly about top 40 radio above, other formats more in line with what's doing well on the streaming services (rhythmic, mainstream urban) still often manage to lag far behind what's popping on spotify, soundcloud and youtube. "xo tour llif3" and "tunnel vision" are only just now about to enter the top 10 on the r&b/hip hop airplay and rhythmic airplay charts, long long after having risen into the hot 100's top 10 based overwhelmingly on streaming.

dyl, Friday, 9 June 2017 22:24 (two years ago) link

really good breakdown dyl

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 10 June 2017 05:26 (two years ago) link

labels tend to have to resort to costly measures to market these singles to radio because their sales and streaming stats are so paltry, namely discounting them on itunes for months on end and having them featured incessantly on the front page's "hot tracks" section, with both of these tactics costing a lot of money (not to mention lost revenue when discounted).

i'm not sure i get this. is plugging a song to radio more costly than it once was? why?

my impression was that pop radio in general is just getting lazy and playlisting whatever hits on streaming, but that the lag is only like a week. (i'm coming at this from a UK perspective keep in mind)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 June 2017 09:07 (two years ago) link

streaming vs radio here is pretty divided still, but radio just feels out of touch & like its lagging behind

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 10 June 2017 09:48 (two years ago) link

radio lags way behind in the us still. here's an explanation of the itunes-plugging i'm referring to: http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7503298/itunes-69-cent-song-discounts-chart-ascents-radio-plays

in short, the majority of songs promoted via discounting and forced front-page exposure on itunes actually lose money; the hope is that the sales boost will convince radio pd's to bump airplay up enough to offset the loss in revenue in the long run (unfortunately, tho, my impression is that this tactic produces few radio hits of actual longevity -- the kind radio are seeking out). while the situation is not as dire as, say, when mariah carey's label lost a ton of money deep-discounting her #2 'hit' single "loverboy" to give it a massive boost it up the charts in 2001 (it consequently became among the very last non-american idol physical single to sell over half a million stateside), it easily could become a similar crisis if the volume of download sales continues to nosedive at the rate it has been (we're basically at 2005 levels right now). keeping the itunes store up-and-running is not free!

dyl, Saturday, 10 June 2017 15:14 (two years ago) link

"witness" would be a great lead single

flapp.y, Monday, 12 June 2017 22:44 (two years ago) link

as maura pointed out in the Paramore thread, there are three women in the American top twenty who aren't "muses for EDM dudes."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 June 2017 22:54 (two years ago) link

no no. two of them are muses for edm dudes and the other is julia michaels. (who has that whole "sounds about to sneeze" vocal affect going on.)

maura, Monday, 12 June 2017 23:02 (two years ago) link

oh yeah, sorry

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 June 2017 23:08 (two years ago) link

It's probably been discussed in another thread, but I'm curious why women are being shut out of the charts. Is it a programmer thing? I remember reading about country music programmers believing people didn't want to hear two songs by women in a row, but does that extend to Top 40 now? (Sorry if the answer to this is obvious, but we discuss this phenomenon a lot and I really have no idea what's behind it)

Evan R, Monday, 12 June 2017 23:57 (two years ago) link

Trump Executive Order

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 00:12 (two years ago) link

given that Katy Perry, Rihanna, Adele and Taylor Swift have dominated the charts for most of the decade it's hard to see some kind of new conspiracy to shut women out of the charts.

skip, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 00:19 (two years ago) link

oh god it's not a conspiracy. it's the way streaming reflects certain norms of taste, which reflect certain gender biases. pay attention.

maura, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 00:31 (two years ago) link

a conspiracy, smh. sorry that women had equal time for once. gotta get the men back in control so things are neutral.

maura, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 00:32 (two years ago) link

Yeah, because that's just what I said, men deserve dominance over the pop charts. Whatever.

skip, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 00:36 (two years ago) link

not to mention, if you're going to argue that gender norms are leading to biased use of streaming by listeners, that's exactly the opposite of a conspiracy in the charts, unless the conspiracy was to include streaming in the chart formulas in the first place.

skip, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 00:40 (two years ago) link

I would not be surprised if there was some stan-war element to it, people giving poor feedback to their pop stars not of choice

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:33 (two years ago) link

, if you're going to argue that gender norms are leading to biased use of streaming by listeners, that's exactly the opposite of a conspiracy in the chart

not to speak for maura but i think that's exactly what she's saying?

in other news tay zonday just followed me on twitter :o

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 05:46 (two years ago) link

here's a nice depressing image to remind us of how unkind/averse to women mass culture has been:

http://i.imgur.com/8qVw9ms.png

women rarely performed more than a quarter of hit singles on the pop charts and even in their "best" period (which was shortly before the dawn of the rock era) still weren't even cracking 40%. data in this graph only go to 1990 but i doubt it changed much in the years that followed. i have lots of recent years' chart data d/l'd to my computer so if i find the time maybe i will crunch numbers for the past few years to see just how badly representation of women has declined since that one summer when billboard was posting articles about how women were ruling.

(the figure comes from this 2005 research paper: https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/9925/1/Liddle-charting%20Gender.pdf )

dyl, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 07:46 (two years ago) link

my pet hypothesis is that the radio-format landscape is so divided along implicit gender and racial lines nowadays that you end up with one of two scenarios: when mainstream/top 40 pop is popping, (white) women can thrive and men temporarily take the backseat. when crossover hits are favored*, men dominate to an obscene extent. (women of color who aren't already established stars lose no matter what.)

(* from any direction; most non-pop radio formats are even more heavily male-dominated than pop is. adult contemporary is the only exception. however, mainstream ac is, with the exception of adele, virtually unable to break new singles nowadays, and for each rachel platten/p!nk single that hot ac manages to break, there'll be like 3 white-guys-with-guitars making the same moves.)

dyl, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 07:56 (two years ago) link

Really liking the music/production on this but the vocal lines/hooks are increidbly plodding.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 08:01 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

i really hate the lyric you're 'bout as cute as an old coupon expired

crüt, Friday, 15 September 2017 02:57 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Witness; officially a flop. But she has a cunning plan. Supposedly..

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/katy-perrys-label-boss-says-shes-planning-a-comeback-after-a-disappointing-response-to-her-latest-album-witness__21456/

piscesx, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:21 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Not sure this will get Katy back on track commercially, but I really dig her new collaboration with Zedd. The video is great too and oddly moving. The whole thing kind of feels like a more successful attempt at what she was going for on Witness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrbgUtCfnC0

kitchen person, Sunday, 17 February 2019 05:12 (six months ago) link

I liked Ex Machina in music video form better when Bjork did it twenty years ago and the tone of the song and visuals matched

mh, Monday, 18 February 2019 05:12 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

new single, co-written with dagny! it's...good?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEb5gNsmGJ8

monotony, Friday, 31 May 2019 11:25 (two months ago) link

that's surprisingly nice, certainly the most i've ever liked one of her singles

this sound would have been a good fit for Taylor actually lol but alas

ufo, Friday, 31 May 2019 11:40 (two months ago) link

This is pretty good

Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Friday, 31 May 2019 13:26 (two months ago) link

it's funny taylor beat her to the pre-chorus marching band snares lol but this chorus does go to an unexpected place. not sure i would call it good exactly but it is something

J0rdan S., Friday, 31 May 2019 13:45 (two months ago) link

the chorus is quite good imo

ufo, Friday, 31 May 2019 13:51 (two months ago) link

I really wasn't expecting that chorus. It's very I Want You by Savage Garden.

Really love this. Just the kind of single she needed to put out right now.

kitchen person, Friday, 31 May 2019 14:13 (two months ago) link

this song is fine but almost literally any other pop singer working today would deliver it better. (my first thought was carly rae jepsen, but I could easily imagine halsey, kelsea ballerini, even someone like sabrina carpenter)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:14 (two months ago) link

Well Dagny already had a go at it

abcfsk, Friday, 31 May 2019 16:46 (two months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnQBqinwlwQ

abcfsk, Friday, 31 May 2019 16:46 (two months ago) link

I'm not particular about technical skills or talent in pop music but her voice is distractingly bad on this, sometimes she is a great pop star and sometimes she is just a pop star but it still amazes me that she's managed to have such longevity given how obvious her strain in her voice is

boxedjoy, Sunday, 2 June 2019 19:32 (two months ago) link

i think it's pretty good. certainly an improvement over the single that led off witness.

dyl, Monday, 3 June 2019 00:37 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

Her new single isn't bad either, and this might bode well for her upcoming album whenever it'll come out, but Katy Perry will still be the worst thing about Katy Perry songs

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 10 August 2019 18:34 (two weeks ago) link

major label artists aren't permitted to release albums anymore unless they score a big hit single (a 'bullet') first, unless they have an adele/swift-like track record of pushing units in the past. maybe she'll get to put out an ep.

dyl, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:39 (two weeks ago) link

it's pretty boring to me but perhaps the charlie puth stans will like it given his involvement

dyl, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:41 (two weeks ago) link

Small Talk is nice enough, but it's too slight to give her the big hit she/they want to launch another album.

Never Really Over remains one of the best songs of the year. I'm shocked it wasn't massive.

kitchen person, Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:53 (one week ago) link

i grew to love it

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:17 (one week ago) link

"never really over" i mean, not the new song which i haven't heard

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:18 (one week ago) link

lol so now i've heard it and when she sang "small talk" i was like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTZdC7vvUCo

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:23 (one week ago) link


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