Smashing Pumpkins - ADORE (1998) - their last masterpiece - the poll

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hopefully by the time this poll ends we'll have details on the expanded reissue

i'm going to say......Crestfallen. even though For Martha is Corgan's most moving song...

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Appels + Oranjes 8
For Martha 8
Perfect 8
Shame 7
Ava Adore 3
Daphne Descends 2
Once Upon a Time 2
Crestfallen 2
Annie-Dog 2
Behold! the Night Mare 1
To Sheila 1
Tear 1
The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete 0
Pug 0
Blank Page 0


i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 20:57 (four years ago) Permalink

dang, lengthy poll

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 20:58 (four years ago) Permalink

Appels + Oranjes.

good album!

crüt, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:01 (four years ago) Permalink

God I haven't heard this in years. Has it aged well at all?

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

my first "favorite album of all time" that wasn't uh thriller

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Gonna listen to it now

Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

'For Martha'. When this album came out I had this track on repeat, every time waiting for the climax when the multi-tracked guitars burst in.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:04 (four years ago) Permalink

I still haven't ever listened to this. I guess I'm behind.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:06 (four years ago) Permalink

"For Martha" definitely, but this is a great album all around.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm not the one to gauge whether it's aged well but i think uh there's enough restraint in the deployment of late-'90s trendy electronics and much more focus on the alternately gothy and pastoral aspects of the songwriting that yeah it doesn't feel particularly dated

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:08 (four years ago) Permalink

note: i have two tattoos. one is of this album's title

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:08 (four years ago) Permalink

'Blank Page' and 'Annie-Dog' are probably the only two here that I'd destroy, thinking about it.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:56 (four years ago) Permalink

"Appels + Oranjes" is one of their best songs.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 21:58 (four years ago) Permalink

Blank Page is amazing

the next night we ate Wale (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:03 (four years ago) Permalink

Blank Page is amazing

― the next night we ate Wale (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:03 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've never got into it quite as much as other tracks on here, sadly... and I can't help but think that sequencing it after 'For Martha' was a bit of a bad move. I struggle to think of many tracks that could have followed it, if any!

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:15 (four years ago) Permalink

note: i have two tattoos. one is of this album's title

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday July 16, 2013 5:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Fla Post Permalink

I really hope you don't post this again when we poll Machina II/Friends & Enemies of Modern Music

king of steens (some dude), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:30 (four years ago) Permalink

^ "White Spyder" btw

crüt, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:32 (four years ago) Permalink

"white spyder" is a gr8 song

these guys would probably make pretty cute tattoos

http://www.ubelly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/MachinaII.jpg

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:59 (four years ago) Permalink

fun facts about this record:

"17" is actually the verse melody of this song played on piano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es-StbxiMBs

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 23:06 (four years ago) Permalink

the lp of adore was actually pressed in mono which makes for a kind of fascinating listen. don't know if it comes across in this dude's video at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNe7yRswxbs

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 23:08 (four years ago) Permalink

Man, the Shame/Night Mare/For Martha stretch is mindblowing.

Simon H., Tuesday, 16 July 2013 23:52 (four years ago) Permalink

I would vote for "Shame" most likely.

van smack, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, 'Shame' is very beautiful, I can easily see why people would vote for it.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Being in my mid-teens when this album was released, I remember many people of my age talking about this album when it came out. Much of the discussion revolved around what people thought of the album (most saw it as a bit of a disappointment coming off the back of Mellon Collie, I always thought it was a continuation of some of the more slower tracks from that record), the rest of the discussion seemed to revolve around the fact you could see D'Arcy's nipples in the sleeve artwork. Teenagers, eh?

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:12 (four years ago) Permalink

A+O

regular speed of candy on chrome (brimstead), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:54 (four years ago) Permalink

the "Its you that I adore/You'll always be my whore" sung in the Corgan whine is gross though

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Probably "Once Upon a Time" but it's been years since I've listened to this record, so let me get back to you.

The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 00:56 (four years ago) Permalink

As with Machina, I struggled to like this at the time and struggled to get through it recently, although I do think this is way better than that record. It's one of the definitive too-long 90s CDs, but I think it would have been sort of unthinkable and totally out of character for the Pumpkins to do a tight 11-track record at this point.

I get A+O in my head more than any of the others, although "To Sheila" is a grower. I'm gonna give this another listen - should be done right around the time voting closes - and see if any of the more subtle, shadowy tracks wins out.

I remember speeding up the main loop from Adore in Sound Recorder and it sounding awesome, I should try that again and see if it's held up at all...

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 03:33 (four years ago) Permalink

I like every song on this, but the "all you have to do..." section of "Behold! The Night Mare" puts it slightly ahead.

Simon H., Wednesday, 17 July 2013 04:14 (four years ago) Permalink

Night Mare is prolley my least favorite actually

I stan hard for the middle stretch, from Tear to Shame. This us my favorite of the studio albums.

Also, I think we may have done this before...?

the next night we ate Wale (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 07:36 (four years ago) Permalink

the rest of the discussion seemed to revolve around the fact you could see D'Arcy's nipples in the sleeve artwork

i was no longer a teenager at this point but i do remember this

nothing much about the record tho

j., Wednesday, 17 July 2013 08:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Thank you Nicky, killer idea

I have no idea what to pick right now

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 July 2013 02:56 (four years ago) Permalink

at least i have plenty of time to listen to it again before choosing.

Bee OK, Thursday, 18 July 2013 03:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Shame

akm, Thursday, 18 July 2013 14:43 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah

the next night we ate Wale (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:13 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm always a little intrigued by how much love this album seems to get from people Treeship's age. As much as I love Siamese Dream, I had completely checked out by this point. Maybe I'll listen again for this poll. I know I've heard the whole thing at one point but not that much stands out, except for "Shame" and "Ava Adore". This was where they largely abandoned heavy guitar rock, right?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:20 (four years ago) Permalink

It was Corgan's attempt at making something a little bit more scaled down and intimate, perhaps. But true to form, even with that in mind, he still couldn't resist making the album stupendously long and making loads of detours into electronic waters e.g. 'Pug', 'Appels + Oranjes' etc.
I prefer to see the record as a continuation of some of the things that were explored on the second disc of Mellon Collie... taking tracks like 'In The Arms Of Sleep', '1979', 'Stumbleine' and 'Beautiful' and kinda running with those themes, as well as continuing the piano-based writing that he'd begun to explore on Mellon Collie's title track.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Thursday, 18 July 2013 21:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I never heard this at the time (was put off by 'Ava Adore') but I did get around to it eventually - it's samey and overlong but there are some really pretty songs on here. Voted 'Shame' but it was close between that and 'To Sheila'.

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 18 July 2013 21:34 (four years ago) Permalink

the singles are the weak point on this album imo

crüt, Friday, 19 July 2013 01:29 (four years ago) Permalink

I prefer to see the record as a continuation of some of the things that were explored on the second disc of Mellon Collie... taking tracks like 'In The Arms Of Sleep', '1979', 'Stumbleine' and 'Beautiful' and kinda running with those themes, as well as continuing the piano-based writing that he'd begun to explore on Mellon Collie's title track.

yep

i voted for "To Shiela", although i might have voted "For Martha" if i hadn't seen all the love for it on this thread. Adore was actually the first smashing pumpkins album i owned. i loved it so much that i then worked back to mellon collie and eventually siamese dream.

Z S, Friday, 19 July 2013 01:38 (four years ago) Permalink

i was 15 when it came out

Z S, Friday, 19 July 2013 01:39 (four years ago) Permalink

I was 21 or 22 when this dropped and I loved it after loving what came before it

After this album everything went to shit basically; it's my favorite Pumpkins album

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 July 2013 02:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Btw - and this is important - you kinda have to listen to Adore late at night to fully appreciate it, by yourself

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 July 2013 02:42 (four years ago) Permalink

When you're dog tired and lonely and loopy. I mean, it's great anytime, but under those circumstances....just wow.

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 July 2013 02:43 (four years ago) Permalink

So it turns out that I have most of this on my iTunes. Starting it now. OK. See, the thing is, I listened to them for the noisier, shoegaze-informed take on anthemic hard rock, the dense guitars, not for ballads, primarily.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2013 03:23 (four years ago) Permalink

(Nor for electronica.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2013 03:27 (four years ago) Permalink

never heard this before. am listening now. will vote.

Treeship, Friday, 19 July 2013 03:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Ha, this album is some bullshit.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2013 03:47 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm not usually big on the pumpkins

Treeship, Friday, 19 July 2013 03:47 (four years ago) Permalink

thx!!

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 18:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I prefer the European leg of the Adore tour though- it was before the album had come out, the performances are much more emotional, less perfunctory... before the backlash, before the Celebrity Skin controversy. I really like the Dublin show, it's such a charged performance because it was their first show in Ireland since Bernadette O'Brien was killed in the moshpit at their show at the Point in May '96: https://archive.org/details/tsp1998-05-31 (incomplete, doesn't include Blank Page)

video, w/ an amazing performance of Blank Page:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3t0APcz81g

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Guggenheim show is great, too. I really love the arrangement of Stumbleine that they played on this tour: https://archive.org/details/sp1998-05-21.shn/sp1998-05-21d01t09.shn

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:41 (one week ago) Permalink

'Blank Page' and 'Annie-Dog' are probably two of my least favourite tracks on the LP, but fucking love 'The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete'

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:00 (one week ago) Permalink

you can thank D'arcy for convincing Billy to keep that one on the album, and to not change the lyrics of Appels + Oranjes. D'arcy doesn't get enough credit for her influence on Billy, she had much more sway than Iha in terms of what got on an album, what songs they would record, etc.

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:04 (one week ago) Permalink

If that's the case, then D'arcy OTM.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:06 (one week ago) Permalink

I know Appels + Oranjes is the most divisive track on Adore, but I fucking love that song, and the (admittedly very dated) techno arrangement. the original demo - "What If?" - was one of the best surprises in the 2014 reissue, much more straightforward arrangement, similar to Pistol Pete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4LIh9F9ZeE

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:07 (one week ago) Permalink

It is!? I was always under the impression that 'Appels + Oranjes' was a well loved track amongst Pumpkins die-hards.

For me, one of the things that made the Pumpkins so great is that they combined a lot of things that I love. Hard rock? Check. New wave? Check. Shoegazing/goth rock? Check. Proggy epics? Check. And much more...

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:18 (one week ago) Permalink

This is partly why I've always been down on Zeitgeist - Billy felt that he had to make a rock record, but the Pumpkins were more than a straight hard rock or alternative rock band.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:21 (one week ago) Permalink

otm, always loved Billy's description of the band as a wheel with all the different genres/influences/directions as spokes on that wheel. Zeitgeist is pretty one-note, but so is Gish- there's Crush, Daydream, and the dynamics in songs like Window Paine and Suffer, but there are equivalents on Zeitgeist like Bleeding the Orchid, That's the Way, the last two tracks. Issue obviously is the songs aren't as good.

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:25 (one week ago) Permalink

I couldn't say that Gish was one note, I can still hear a combination of very different influences in there!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:34 (one week ago) Permalink

"what if" is interesting but i think the final arrangement of "appels" is basically perfect (it's "dated" i guess but it sounds about as good as anything on ray of light does today), the synthetic cymbal/snare rush give the song a kinda dazed wonder and rapid frame-rate that fits and enhances the lyric, it's sort of like the musical embodiment of billy corgan saying "whoa" at a time lapse film or something

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:59 (one week ago) Permalink

I wouldn't change a thing about Adore. Unlike MCIS or Machina, I would never consider tinkering with it.

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 20:01 (one week ago) Permalink

don't get me wrong brad, i love the way the album version of A+O sounds, but i understand why it's such a divisive track, ray of light comparison is otm and probably has a lot to do with that. netphoria is a miserable place.

FYI Adore probably wouldn't have tanked as hard as it did if Billy didn't pulled the Rick Rubin produced version of "Let Me Give the World to You" off the album at the last second. He wrote in the liner notes to that 2014 reissue that that song was going to be last on the album, and he was in a meeting with a bunch of executives that were visibly put-off, scared, and bored by the entire record except LMGTWTY, so he pulled it out of... spite? dumbass. that shit would've been a hit single.

having said that, I can't imagine Adore ending any other way than with "Blank Page."

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 21:33 (one week ago) Permalink

i completely disagree that "let me give the world to you" would've been a hit but i guess we'll never know. i'm personally thrilled it's not on the record

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 10 November 2017 21:48 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah it would've been really jarring tacked on at the end of that record, he obviously made the right decision longterm - people love Adore now, I still think it's their last masterpiece - & LMGTWTY as a bland MOR single from this very dark, sad record might've worked and deceived people at the time, but by now it would be obvious to everyone what a cowardly & hedging move.

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 23:28 (one week ago) Permalink

um appels + oranjes is the best song on adore in my opinion

brimstead, Friday, 10 November 2017 23:35 (one week ago) Permalink

the machina ii version of LMGTWTY is definitely better

ufo, Friday, 10 November 2017 23:44 (one week ago) Permalink

i also find it weird that billy thinks it would've been "the hit" bc by the time adore came out pop had already shifted significantly

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 00:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Billy in never really understanding the world through which he grumpily drags himself shocker.

Tim F, Saturday, 11 November 2017 00:45 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm saying i could see it being an MOR / adult contemporary hit, at a time when bands like Matchbox 20 were doing very well making that kind of music. it's very much that type of song, you know? he tried to get into the NIN/Manson market with Ava Adore and it didn't work. maybe the same would've happened with LMGTWTY and MOR radio, who knows.

flappy bird, Saturday, 11 November 2017 00:59 (one week ago) Permalink

i absolutely LOVED "eye" when it came out, i was totally looking forward to the next album being all depeche modey

brimstead, Saturday, 11 November 2017 01:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I have a theory that TEITBITE was the BOTE for SM commercially because billy looked so silly in the video clip.

But yeah I remember being vaguely disappointed there wasn’t more stuff like “Eye” on the album.

Tim F, Saturday, 11 November 2017 07:20 (one week ago) Permalink

“ava adore” is such a weird song. so moody and glitchy and then there’s a double-tracked guitar solo that sounds imported from a cheap trick song

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:34 (one week ago) Permalink

i first saw the "ava adore" video on trl when it wasn't live and was just called total request and it was just carson daily counting down videos on a couch in a dark studio iirc. think it came on before "as long as you love me." i was completely obsessed with mellon collie and i thought "ava adore" was potentially the best song i'd ever heard, so i immediately bought the record and found it extremely confusing. for months i only listened to the songs that coded as "heavy" (so... just "ava" and "tear"), though i would compulsively read the lyrics to the other songs and make up my own vocal melodies to them (??? literally have no idea why i did this). one night, when i was bored with whatever record i was listening to at the time (eve 6?) i put adore on and listened to it the whole way through and had such a powerful experience that it immediately became my favorite album of all time. i still get that feeling a little every time i listen to it

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:39 (one week ago) Permalink

there are several weird cool digressions on this record, like the muffled piano bridge on "tear" or the "all you have to do is run away" part of "behold! the night mare" (that title is classic btw); the songwriting just feels very open in a way that carried over somewhat to machina and then the dude never really wrote that way again

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:44 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm at the point where i think "perfect" was def the best sp single and is maybe the best sp song

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:46 (one week ago) Permalink

ha brad I specifically cited that part as the justification for my B!tNM vote

also I'm finally listening to the b-sides/outtakes and boy this really is the album where Billy and co. just completely nailed the track selection and sequence

Simon H., Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:47 (one week ago) Permalink

otm

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:54 (one week ago) Permalink

i mean i love the b-sides for this record but i'm glad they're all not on the record (except maybe "blissed and gone" and "waiting")

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:55 (one week ago) Permalink

of what made it on, it's absolutely *not* an intuitive set of songs to sequence, either. you could make a case for seven or eight possible openers!

Simon H., Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:56 (one week ago) Permalink

"to sheila" was an inspired choice as an opener i think; it sets a muted, intimate, dreamy tone (even as "ava adore" comes crashing in after it) that the rest of the album lengthens and sustains

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:00 (one week ago) Permalink

even when the album tries to get hard and edgy (verses of "pug") it inevitably slips into something more blurred and glowing (chorus of "pug")

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:04 (one week ago) Permalink

the arising ‘99 version of Pug rules

flappy bird, Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:59 (one week ago) Permalink

The album premiered on a radio station here, two weeks or so before the actual release. I taped it obv. But for some reason, they aired it with the songs shuffled, not the album order. Bear in mind, it was two weeks before the physical release, so I played that tape to death. What they did was play Annie Dog which seamlessly went into Appels + Oranjes... I thought it was one song! And because I played that tape approx 1 million times those weeks, I cannot ever uncouple the two. Even made an mp3 pasting them together lol. It really works though!

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:22 (one week ago) Permalink

lol did they play it in alphabetical order

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:25 (one week ago) Permalink

ah yes, the famous "adeor" edit

Simon H., Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Whoa you just blew my mind :D

Seriously though, when Corgan ends Annie Dog with 'fa-ace...' and then that A+O intro comes in... You had to be there prob but it works.

xp lol

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:28 (one week ago) Permalink

lol @ simon

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:43 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm sure it's been brought up already, but this album is really too damn long for one disc. i'm very much in favor of bands releasing long albums on two CDs even if they can fit on a single disc.. like the unwound double album...

brimstead, Sunday, 12 November 2017 00:31 (one week ago) Permalink

"behold! the night mare" (that title is classic btw)

Brad gets it.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 November 2017 01:35 (one week ago) Permalink

behold! the night mare is my favourite

the album is definitely too long but i'm not really sure what i'd cut except for annie-dog

ufo, Sunday, 12 November 2017 03:07 (one week ago) Permalink

Adore is overlong and shaggy in a way that reinforces its sense of loss and the feeling of actually being lost, and wandering in the dark. To Sheila is such a clear-eyed, relaxed, and optimistic opener, and from there it goes in a dozen different directions, and it ends all so unresolved with Blank Page.

flappy bird, Sunday, 12 November 2017 03:23 (one week ago) Permalink

D'arcy whining on the documentary about still being in the studio after ten months when the plan was to record the album in 6 weeks (4 days a week, 6 hour days) = classic.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 12 November 2017 13:17 (one week ago) Permalink

and the recording process for MCIS had to have been even longer lol

Simon H., Sunday, 12 November 2017 19:13 (one week ago) Permalink

actually the MCIS sessions only lasted ~6 months, early March to late August '95. the record was finished by the time they played Reading that year. pretty remarkable considering those sessions yielded the majority of TAFH as well.

flappy bird, Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:42 (one week ago) Permalink

but they were super concentrated & focused in 1995; Adore was much more of a session here, session there type of record, and one that started off as a Billy Corgan solo album (according to Brad Wood, who recorded To Sheila, Blank Page, Ava Adore, Tear, Daphne Descends, and Behold! the Night Mare). The 666 Tapes show the band at their best, one of my favorite performances of Porcelina is 27 minutes in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U7QGPz4xmA

flappy bird, Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I wonder how well rehearsed they were going in, and hoe much pre-production there was, though? I have a feeling some were rehearsed up prior to going in with others being worked out in the studio and others only featuring Billy (like 'Stumbleine') or Billy/Jimmy only. It's a lot of material!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:50 (one week ago) Permalink

*how

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:51 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah of the 56 on MCIS & TAFH it breaks down like this:

written for Siamese Dream
Set the Ray to Jerry
Meladori Magpie

written during the Siamese Dream tour ( Gravity Demos )
Tonight, Tonight
Jellybelly
Zero
Here is No Why
To Forgive
Love
Galapagos
Mouths of Babes
Marquis in Spades
The Aeroplane Flies High
Pennies
Ugly

written fall '94 - early '95
pretty much everything else

written during the recording of MCIS
Where Boys Fear to Tread
Bodies
In the Arms of Sleep
1979
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
X.Y.U.
We Only Come Out at Night

Lots of stuff is just Billy at home: Stumbleine, Meladori Magpie, Rotten Apples, Blank... then they recorded the covers for TAFH right before Jimmy OD'd, and iirc they did a few more like Medellia and The Last Song that summer. But yeah most of those 56 songs were written and recorded in a very short period of time, pretty insane. there was a lot of pre-production and rehearsal in the fall of '94, and you can get a good sense of where they were at with the four Double Door shows in February '95, days before they went into the studio. Songs like Muzzle, Fuck You, Porcelina, Thirty-three, Zero, and on and on and on, were all fully formed by then.

flappy bird, Sunday, 12 November 2017 21:04 (one week ago) Permalink


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