Ooh Ooh Ooh, Complete CLASH POLL (that's a laugh) - ILX Artist Poll #41 (?) - Voting Ends July 9th at Midnight (EST)

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The only band that matters...to some.

The longish voting period is due to the July 4th holiday, plus I don't really know what I'm doing so maybe I'll have it figured out by then.

Following the format set by others:

Ballot Part One (mandatory): Your Top 30 Clash songs. Same as ever scoring method. No need to number just have them in order from 1 to 30 with 1 on top. As ever you don't need to submit as many as 30.

Ballot Part Two (optional): Your Top Clash albums. I know it might burn the s/t's chances, but please note if you're voting for the US or the UK version as I am counting them as two separate albums. Black Market Clash is also an option (and yes, I'm combining the normal and the "Super" because I can do that).

Ballot Part Three (optional) Since these polls have expanded, but The Clash don't have much in the way of music videos really, I'm going to ask for your Top 5 live tracks. They can be from the officially released live albums (From Here to Eternity/Shea Stadium), from tv appearances (1977 So it Goes, etc), or from the bootlegs that have gained notoriety over the years. This might be a really stupid idea, but if nobody cares then they don't have to submit, and it's worth a shot maybe.

Send ballots to theclashpoll AT gmail dot com

Deadline for voting is July 9, Eastern Standard Time

Shout out to Bee OK, from whom I nicked this intro format.

Gukbe, Thursday, 27 June 2013 02:04 (six years ago) link

wanna put in a good word for "This is England."

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 June 2013 02:07 (six years ago) link

I really like that song, but I was considering requiring a compulsory 300 word (minimum) defense if someone put Cut the Crap in the top 3 of their albums ballot.

Gukbe, Thursday, 27 June 2013 02:09 (six years ago) link

YEAH!

Bee OK, Thursday, 27 June 2013 02:10 (six years ago) link

FUCKIN AWRIGHT YEAH

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 June 2013 02:11 (six years ago) link

Will be compiling my votes wearing my special voting fedora fyi

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh13mpWx8R1qckm0wo1_500.jpg

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 June 2013 02:15 (six years ago) link

I wonder if Paul considered introducing himself as "the cool one"

Gukbe, Thursday, 27 June 2013 02:18 (six years ago) link

I like "This is England" alright, but picking only 30 Clash songs is gonna be brutal, so no way is it making the cut.

The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Thursday, 27 June 2013 03:05 (six years ago) link

TESTED BY RESEARCH

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 June 2013 03:55 (six years ago) link

aw hell yeah, this is gonna be fun and I have good stories to tell...

sleeve, Thursday, 27 June 2013 04:10 (six years ago) link

"Favourite Live Performance" is a tough one, I like whole albums more than individual tracks......

But I'd rep for "Capital Radio" off "The Guns Of Brixton" ("There will be Noooooh Rock And Rolll") (live at the Palladium, New York, New York, September 21, 1979)

.. and the whole of the "Live In Jamaica" (did the final song ever get found?)

Mark G, Thursday, 27 June 2013 08:42 (six years ago) link

ANd those "Previously unreleased" things like "Midnight To Stevens", for example.

Mark G, Thursday, 27 June 2013 08:42 (six years ago) link

Don't get me wrong, they wrote some great songs, but some of their covers were even better. Police on My Back, Brand New Cadillac, Armigideon Time, Police and Thieves, I Fought the Law....

Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 27 June 2013 10:06 (six years ago) link

.. wrong'em Boyo, Time is tight

Conversely, Sparks did a cover of "We Are The Clash"

Mark G, Thursday, 27 June 2013 11:38 (six years ago) link

I never got The Clash for so long. I think I'm on board now, but this poll is the acid test.

Hell, Paul Simonon looked good.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 27 June 2013 11:42 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWO-wgzf20

my suggestion for this poll: listen to the 2nd half of london calling more

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 27 June 2013 11:55 (six years ago) link

Hmm. I'll have to have a long, hard think about this one.

The Stranglers > The Clash, in any case.

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Thursday, 27 June 2013 12:25 (six years ago) link

This'll be interesting, because (bootlegs aside) there's really no such thing as a Clash deep cut. If you know them well enough to vote, you probably know the entire discography.

But in the spirit of the Husker Du poll, we could have a good spirited Joe vs. Mick debate.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 27 June 2013 13:40 (six years ago) link

And my obligatory lobbying post goes to "Julie's Been Working for the Drug Squad."

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 27 June 2013 13:44 (six years ago) link

Deep cut?

One of my "live" noms is gonna be "How can I understand the flies"

Mark G, Thursday, 27 June 2013 13:45 (six years ago) link

Excited for this one!

Austin, Thursday, 27 June 2013 15:59 (six years ago) link

Oh yeah..

When it came out, I thought one of their songs was about loads of walls...

"He's in love with a Rock and Roll Wall
He's in love with a GettyStone Wall
He's in love with a Jenny Jones Wall..."

Mark G, Thursday, 27 June 2013 16:02 (six years ago) link

I still love Mick's bad moods being described by Joe as "Liz Taylor on a bad day"

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 June 2013 17:38 (six years ago) link

"okay okay don't push us when we're HOT" is probably going to tip "Armagideon Time" into my ballot.

Gukbe, Friday, 28 June 2013 06:28 (six years ago) link

voted.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 28 June 2013 07:12 (six years ago) link

i like plenty of Clash moments but good god "London Calling" is the dreariest, most over-played piece of shit in their career

The song or the album?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 28 June 2013 08:23 (six years ago) link

I included the song, but mostly for 25-ish years of kicking around in my head. I honestly don't need to ever hear it again.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 28 June 2013 08:24 (six years ago) link

the song, i don't know if it's the tempo, the over-familiarity, the lack of range...the other week i thought about starting a thread about it and Bowie's "Heroes" as examples of artists' most popular songs that are amongst their suckiest

Clash are a prime example of a band with enough facets that i can find some fans whose fandom is inexplicable to me, like they like a different group to the one i do.

i don't really like the myth tho, just individual moments. i like Joe best when i can't understand a word he's saying tbh

I think overhearing it has done that song in for me as well, but it still works brilliantly as an album opener. It's just that the rest of the album is so much better.

Gukbe, Friday, 28 June 2013 08:29 (six years ago) link

Clash sure knew how to open an album - Janie Jones, Safe European Home, London Calling, Magificent 7, Know Your Rights

Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 28 June 2013 08:49 (six years ago) link

"Clash City Rockers" opened the US version ;_;

Gukbe, Friday, 28 June 2013 08:51 (six years ago) link

ballot sent, though I didn't do much re-listening. I ended up putting Complete Control a lot higher than I might have expected

Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 28 June 2013 13:54 (six years ago) link

Guerrilla marketing via the thread title. Should've gone with Give 'Em Enough Votes

Ismael Klata, Friday, 28 June 2013 14:09 (six years ago) link

i like Joe best when i can't understand a word he's saying tbh

That's what I wrote in an obit for Pop Matters:

I fixated on the voice because I couldn’t understand what the hell he was saying. The more I listened, the harder it was to tell his guttural snarls from the equally guttural guitars. To this day, I have probably listened to that first Clash album more than any other single piece of music. And to this day, even after reading the lyrics, I can’t tell what the hell he’s saying. But I know what he means—you can feel it in every joyful angry spit and gargle. He got a little more comprehensible as time went by, but you never needed the words to understand the songs.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 June 2013 14:10 (six years ago) link

Also "Clash City Rockers" rules! It's their Louie Louie/Can't Explain/You Really Got Me.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 June 2013 14:12 (six years ago) link

Been thinking about this since I saw it queued up last year, so here goes:

I think there are many perfect Clash songs but no perfect "Clash" songs: Clashy perfection lies in the whole. To wit:

__the self-discovering excitement and beauty of the UK debut, but without the funky agility of Topper--big without for me.

__the giddy musicality of London Calling, but mythic-romantic literary BS and incipient gloss. (Though compared to so much other punk that year is sounds like '83 hardcore.)

__more personal lyrics but more diffuse arrangements and production on Sandinista!, leaving best tracks not quite Ur-Clash: slower than usual with Topper on steel drums ("Street Parade"), without Paul ("The Magnificent Seven"), or just beautifully weird ("Somebody Got Murdered").

__finest moments on Combat Rock atypically sad or resigned ("Straight to Hell," "Ghetto Defendant") or again without Paul ("Rock the Casbah").

__great singles in between, but with the produced-for-echo problem ("Complete Control," "White Man (In Hammersmith Palais)") or perfect recordings of not-Clash songs ("Armagideon Time," "I Fought the Law") or might-as-well-not-be-Clash-songs ("Bankrobber," "This Is Radio Clash").

The result for me is compulsive re-ranking, so I may just favor the underdogs and get it over with.

Peter Scholtes, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:56 (six years ago) link

Pretty sure something from the US Festival will make my live ballot. Pete Howard was a motherfucker, and watching that show you can easily imagine them continuing on without Topper.

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 29 June 2013 17:53 (six years ago) link

i think i'm the only person in history to like "remote control" better than "complete control"

k3vin k., Saturday, 29 June 2013 18:04 (six years ago) link

Well, they're both on my short list. But my short list has 48 songs, so.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 29 June 2013 18:40 (six years ago) link

Also "Clash City Rockers" rules! It's their Louie Louie/Can't Explain/You Really Got Me.

― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, June 28, 2013

OTM + All Day and All of the Night surely

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 29 June 2013 19:26 (six years ago) link

the song, i don't know if it's the tempo, the over-familiarity, the lack of range...the other week i thought about starting a thread about it and Bowie's "Heroes" as examples of artists' most popular songs that are amongst their suckiest

― for many people a really special folder makes a huge difference (Noodle Vague), Friday, June 28, 2013

whoa. "heroes" may be played out but it's still A+... "london calling" at least B+

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 29 June 2013 19:28 (six years ago) link

rock the casbah can go fuck itself tho

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 29 June 2013 19:29 (six years ago) link

Should I Stay Or Should I Go? is all of these things xxp

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 29 June 2013 20:15 (six years ago) link

Yeah this is definitely one where omitting the biggest hit doesn't feel at all contrarian.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 29 June 2013 20:17 (six years ago) link

(that was an xp about Casbah, not SISOSIG)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 29 June 2013 20:18 (six years ago) link

Casbah has that baseline though

Gukbe, Saturday, 29 June 2013 22:36 (six years ago) link

So maybe I'd vote for Mustapha Dance

Gukbe, Saturday, 29 June 2013 22:36 (six years ago) link

There's not a damn thing wrong with Casbah. Overexposure's not the song's fault.

WilliamC, Saturday, 29 June 2013 23:31 (six years ago) link

Love that song, was high in my ballot.

Didn't vote "Pressure Drop" because it's the rare Clash cover that I don't think bests the original. They got to remake it again in a Clash stylie as "Revolution Rock."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 12:29 (six years ago) link

"Safe European Home" is very high on my ballot; that''s all I say.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 12:29 (six years ago) link

i am kinda flummoxed by the idea that 'janie jones' is a better song than 'clash city rockers,' or that CCR is a bad song at all!

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.),

not once did I say it was a bad song! I said it was my least favorite of the added songs.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 12:30 (six years ago) link

Yeah, really, there are only a spare handful of Clash songs one could argue are actually bad, and most of them are goofs.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 12:31 (six years ago) link

...or that CCR is a bad song at all!

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.)

Disorienting acronym.

clemenza, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 12:38 (six years ago) link

Immediately imagined Fogerty singing it ("boin down the suburbs with the half closed eyes")

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 13:32 (six years ago) link

thinking about the Clash-named songs as being like the Monkees makes me happier with Clash mythology. unlike the Stones & their "greatest rock & roll band in the world" (cf. http://ethanrussell.com/americanstory/?p=407) I've never picked up on any tounge-in-cheek-ness re. the bullshit of that mythology on the band's part...but I also haven't read deeply on the band or maybe even listened close enough.

Euler, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 13:36 (six years ago) link

love the clash but let's not pretend they weren't deeply corny or awash in bullshit mythology, there's a reason this happened: http://youtu.be/5tjAQSxWdhM?t=3m20s

balls, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 13:55 (six years ago) link

When I first got into The Clash the one song that bothered me was "Clash City Rockers". Struck me as corny to use your name in a song name. I have since come around though.

― Gukbe, Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:49 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there is something slightly monkees-esque about that, i'll admit.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:50 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The first song on Black Sabbath's first album is called "Black Sabbath" wtf is wrong with you people

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 14:03 (six years ago) link

kinda 'eh' on 'clash city rockers' but having the name of yr band in the title of yr most who-like song is just good form i think

balls, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 14:05 (six years ago) link

They had their whole sense of mission and purpose and whatever, but it always had a goofy, cartoony side. For every Lorca namedrop there's Lauren Bacall in a car jam.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 14:11 (six years ago) link

And "Clash City Rockers" itself is pretty goofy, the Bowie and Gary Glitter shout-outs and all.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 14:14 (six years ago) link

I put "Clash City Rockers" in the same category many put Sandinista!: a failure that shows how great they were. It's awkward musically, lyrically insider, badly recorded, and never quite pulls its parts together. It's also awesome. I loved watching a local band kill on it this year.

"Revolution Rock" is a Danny Ray cover. The (great) original was a retooling of Jackie Edwards's "Get Up." I love the Clash instrumental version from the Vanilla Tapes and Rude Boy too.

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 14:37 (six years ago) link

Found this piece on Topper from a few years ago:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/i-forgive-you-the-clashs-drummer-topper-headon-makes-peace-with-the-man-who-sacked-him-1717627.html

Months after being in one of the world's biggest rock'n'roll bands, Headon was living in a freezing, windowless squat in Fulham, while The Clash were performing stadium shows in the US in support of the single "Rock the Casbah", a song largely written by Headon and on which he played drums, bass and piano. He made various attempts to continue his musical career. His friendship with Pete Townshend nearly landed him the job of drumming for The Who. At the time, The Clash were supporting the British supergroup at Shea Stadium and Headon admits he would have relished playing for the headlining band, lording it over The Clash.

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 14:52 (six years ago) link

I love 'Clash City Rockers', best bit is the sarcastic "YEAH YEAH" before the guitar solo.

Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 15:10 (six years ago) link

The Topper story is pretty brutal, but I love him sitting up all night with Bo Diddley, doing coke and watching porn.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 15:30 (six years ago) link

I was pretty surprised to read that he didn't kick his addiction until the early 00s; I thought he'd kicked it by '99 at the very latest (as he seems to allude to in WttW).

The Who thing, though, I dunno. On the '82 tour they didn't bring their regular (heavy-drinking) keyboardist because Townshend was drying out. I can't imagine Pete, who had also just kicked heroin, would willingly/knowingly bring a heroin addict/cokehead on tour.

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 15:44 (six years ago) link

Jeez, that Topper piece. So many black laughs though:

By 1989, when the mini-cabbing work became too much for him, he had taken to the London Underground, busking with a set of bongos. "Every hundred people who passed, there'd be one who'd stop and ask, 'Are you Topper Headon from The Clash?'" He shrugs, "I'd have to say, 'Yeah, this is what I do now.' It was so humiliating."

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 17:22 (six years ago) link

:/

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 17:42 (six years ago) link

It was so weird to learn about his addiction/firing (which I didn't know anything about until I saw WttW), because I'd assumed that he was some kind of health/fitness nut (pretty much just based on his workout scene in Rude Boy).

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 17:47 (six years ago) link

I love 'Clash City Rockers', best bit is the sarcastic "YEAH YEAH" before the guitar solo.

― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:10 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Such a Mott The Hoople* moment...

*Who also certainly taught Strummer & co. a thing or two about self-mythologizing.

Mr. Mojo Readin' (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 18:22 (six years ago) link

Jones was big on Mott if i recall correctly

hell, everyone should be big on Mott

g simmel, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 18:26 (six years ago) link

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 18:29 (six years ago) link

GODDAMMIT I FORGOT TO VOTE FOR LISTEN. Entire poll is therefore invalid.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 19:03 (six years ago) link

re: mott/clash connection

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Stevens

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 19:31 (six years ago) link

Guy Stevens produced Brain Capers which is essential listening for ny Mott fan.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 19:54 (six years ago) link

love the clash but let's not pretend they weren't deeply corny or awash in bullshit mythology

Well, what are we talking about here? The politics? Because if the politics fail, that's one thing, but I don't blame the mythology.

timellison, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:15 (six years ago) link

Ok everyone. Because of some extra work stuff + impromptu family/friends visiting over the next few days, I don't think I can roll out the results in a way that would be Britisher-time-friendly, so I propose I wait until Monday. I've got the results, and I'm pretty sure that anyone who wanted to vote in this has already voted (42 ballots!), but I'm fine with leaving it open for stragglers until Friday night, unless anyone has objections and would feel aggrieved that they rushed their ballot because of the Tuesday night deadline.

If any of that seriously fucks anyone off, then I can try to alter it and maybe roll it out quickly this week.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:21 (six years ago) link

I'm fine with waiting, I had a six-hour Clash frenzy last night so a few days away is maybe a decent idea

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:25 (six years ago) link

Cool with me, too

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:25 (six years ago) link

Monday's cool.

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:31 (six years ago) link

NO RIGHT NOW!

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:46 (six years ago) link

Bummed, but will watch recent videos of Topper playing well and looking healthy to cheer myself up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEG_B4iBmvI

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

WHEN THEY HOLD UP YOUR CLASH POLL, HOW YOU GONNA COME?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:10 (six years ago) link

You grow up and you calm down, and you start putting off Clash polls til next week.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:32 (six years ago) link

tbqh i had no idea there was any notion rollout would start before monday but any excuse for a riot imo

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:52 (six years ago) link

it's proven by research, that he that delays rollouts will later .. Um, oh bol

Mark G, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:52 (six years ago) link

bobby said he'd roll out no wait that's the springsteen poll

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:54 (six years ago) link

I'm so bored with the poll delay
I'm so bored with the poll delay
But what can I do?

WmC, Thursday, 11 July 2013 01:28 (six years ago) link

they just systematically ruined everything in ways I didn't even think were possible.

(who even plays on CTC? I think Vince White, Paul Simonon and Pete Howard are all AWOL).

as I said upthread, it was made by Bernie from Joe demos after Joe walked. Norman Watt-Roy was brought in to do basslines.

eau de feet (sic), Thursday, 11 July 2013 03:20 (six years ago) link

Well I've been waiting for your Clash Poll/The one that never came/like a man about to burst/I was dying of thirst

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 11 July 2013 14:27 (six years ago) link

I was pretty surprised to read that he didn't kick his addiction until the early 00s; I thought he'd kicked it by '99 at the very latest (as he seems to allude to in WttW).

Mick and Joe paid for him to rehab at least twice in the 90s, and I'm sure there were times when he was clean to his mind at that moment

eau de feet (sic), Friday, 12 July 2013 16:25 (six years ago) link

Topper talks about this fairly touchingly in the Viva Joe Strummer doc -- the last time he saw Joe he was off heroin but still drinking, and Joe asked what was in his cup and it was beer "and my one regret today is that I couldn't honestly say Coke or water or something."

Three Word Username, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:34 (six years ago) link

Voting has now officially ended. Countdown begins Monday. Top 60.

Gukbe, Saturday, 13 July 2013 08:03 (six years ago) link

WOOOOOO

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 13 July 2013 14:47 (six years ago) link

(Hands up for Hollywood)

HOORAY!

Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 13 July 2013 15:39 (six years ago) link

yay

Mark G, Monday, 15 July 2013 14:47 (six years ago) link

can't wait for this

g simmel, Monday, 15 July 2013 15:40 (six years ago) link

weeeeeeeeeee

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 15 July 2013 15:49 (six years ago) link


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