what is actually worse than queensryche?

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No cartoony dream theater examples in this thread. I am serious. There you are, minding your own business vaguely paying attention to vh1 classics or your local buttrock station and then queensryche happens. Is there a more terrible possibility? I will actively curate this thread and tell you how wrong you are, because years if research tell me no.

Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:17 (six years ago) link

i was a big dream theater fan growing up, mainly because i played drums and mike portnoy had 400 drums in his setup and played very fast, and who did he love, and who did dream theater respect - queensryche. i never got around to listening to them because i realized that dream theater was really, really bad. so i'm going to go ahead and say that nothing on earth is worse than queensryche.

Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:22 (six years ago) link

oh wait, shit. i have the answer. what is actually worse than queensryche?

LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT

Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:22 (six years ago) link

i had totally repressed the memory. i think that a LTE album was one of the first things i bought online. super rare, hard to find, $20+ in 2001 dollars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFZXfKrFWF0

Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:23 (six years ago) link

start watching from 4:00 on and tell me it's not the worst thing in the entire world.

Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:28 (six years ago) link

I will actively curate this thread and tell you how wrong you are

7:14 - 8:00

even worse than queensryche. i challenge you. 7:50 in particular. holy shit.

Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:45 (six years ago) link

Wait now, that is actively terrible, however no one is singing about a shadowy imaginary half assed govt or aliens or w/e.

*bangs gavel*

Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:52 (six years ago) link

I don't want to be discouraging though because wow that is really really terrible

Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:53 (six years ago) link

i understand your hesitation in declaring liquid tension experiment to be worse than queensryche, and i understand if you never want to listen to LTE again. i fully understand why queensryche is the benchmark here. i only ask that, in the conversation of the worst thing of all time, let it be acknowledged that liquid tension experiment pushed the envelope, and no one who ever listened to LTE remained the same.

Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:01 (six years ago) link

are you saying you don't believe in mindcrime jjj??

j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:07 (six years ago) link

from the wikipedia entry for jordan rudess, the guy who keeps rotating that keyboard around in the LTE clip above:

"On July 28, 2011, in a poll conducted by MusicRadar, Rudess was voted the best keyboardist of all time."

Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:07 (six years ago) link

Okay how about Tesseract's newest, overtly needy release, esp from 3:10 onwards, when the slap bass kicks in properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFvyCyHdwN8

MaresNest, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:10 (six years ago) link

tempted to start a poll of the worst things about that LTE video

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:40 (six years ago) link

7:14 - 8:00

even worse than queensryche. i challenge you. 7:50 in particular. holy shit.

― Z S, Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:45 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was gonna say, 7:15 is when it really steps it up

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:45 (six years ago) link

lol z s you were a crimson fan in the late 90s too huh

did you have this one

http://www.allmusic.com/album/black-light-syndrome-mw0000024495

j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 08:48 (six years ago) link

I'd never heard of LTE before this thread, but finding out that Tony Levin was a party to that monstrosity is vv disheartening.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 23 June 2013 08:57 (six years ago) link

what is actually worse than queensryche?

Queensryche fans?

a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 June 2013 09:45 (six years ago) link

Man, my 18yo cousin keeps linking DT and LTE things on my Facebook. I haven't had the heart to listen to LTE yet.

I'm kind of curious about what would go into hating a band you used to be a big fan of. There are lots of cases where I took an interest in something for a little while and then burned out on it or where I realize that something isn't as good as I used to think it was. However, if I was ever a really big fan of something, I think I can still see some value in it or at the least have a certain nostalgic affection. (I've never really been able to get into Dream Theater much at all, although I've tried a few times.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 23 June 2013 12:06 (six years ago) link

man Warning thru Mindcrime Queensryche is unimpeachable I am reading this thread under protest.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 23 June 2013 12:43 (six years ago) link

http://i40.tinypic.com/67jeye.jpg

Feel like half of this dude's career has been fighting male pattern baldness with a variety of weird combovers or hair paint. Operation: Tricorner Hair.

a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:06 (six years ago) link

No wait Operation: Haircrime ahh shit I'm tired.

a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:09 (six years ago) link

despite what I said above, that pic is almost enough to make me renounce the Ryche

Neanderthal, Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:10 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHhK80GnwI

check out the 5:15 mark where Geoff muppetizes "Silent Lucidity"

Neanderthal, Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:12 (six years ago) link

i don't get what's going on with his forehead, is this a headshot for a TNG extra gig?

j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 19:28 (six years ago) link

yo i've been trying to remember the name of Liquid Tension Experiment for years. a few band kids were really into dream theater and by extension that, and even then it was just awe-inspiringly bad. queensryche is funnier.

thot police (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 23 June 2013 19:33 (six years ago) link

my read on Queensryche has always been that there must be 4 or 5 good songs in there somewhere but I'm not nearly ready to go looking for them

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 June 2013 20:44 (six years ago) link

if he's such a whiz why couldn't he just play around the limitations of his instrument

j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 21:28 (six years ago) link

Liquid Tension Experiment is instrumental, so it's at least got to be better than Dream Theater.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 21:40 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTu9bVcwU0

DJP, Sunday, 23 June 2013 21:43 (six years ago) link

lol @ wookiefoot, always

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 23 June 2013 23:52 (six years ago) link

lol z s you were a crimson fan in the late 90s too huh

no way, i'd never heard of king crimson at that point! i just listened to LTE because i had read that it was associated with dream theater. LTE is so hilariously vain. i guess whoever ran the record label that their albums came out on asked mike portnoy (dream theater drummer) to put together a prog supergroup. so portnoy puts together a group with himself, john petrucci (dream theater guitarist), jordan rudess (who was soon to join...dream theater) and tony levin. can you imagine the vanity??

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 00:06 (six years ago) link

and then they play like THAT?!

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 00:06 (six years ago) link

hen that jam was over, Portnoy ended up taking Levin's bass and Charlie Benante ended up playing drums.

!!!

how's life, Monday, 24 June 2013 01:12 (six years ago) link

i guess he never took any composition classes at berkelee or wherever

or did and failed them

j., Monday, 24 June 2013 02:18 (six years ago) link

During this tour, on May 17, 2013, Tate created controversy during a show in St. Charles, Illinois. Ten minutes into the show, he grabbed an audience member's smartphone, turned around, and threw it over his shoulder into the crowd.[87]

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 02:23 (six years ago) link

how long before Geoff can brag he's spit on all members of both Queensryches on stage?

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 02:25 (six years ago) link

Are there two Queensryches now? That would explain these constant headaches and nosebleeds, I guess.

a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 24 June 2013 03:19 (six years ago) link

Yeah, that's what's worse than Queensryche: Geoff Tate's Queensryche.

South of Hamster (J3ff T.), Monday, 24 June 2013 06:51 (six years ago) link

Also, I love Queensryche, so screw you hipster indie rock d-bags.

South of Hamster (J3ff T.), Monday, 24 June 2013 06:51 (six years ago) link

http://thrilljockey.com/assets/merch/photo-86.jpg

j., Monday, 24 June 2013 06:53 (six years ago) link

oh man

about 20 seconds into my research experiment on liquid tension experiment, i ran into this line on allmusic.com's review of their first album:

This is the second of Magna Carta's one-time-only groupings and the second to feature bassist Tony Levin. Fortunately for all concerned, it's light years beyond Black Light Syndrome, which paired Levin with guitarist Steve Stevens and drummer Terry Bozzio in an ill-conceived and poorly executed set of improvisations.

looks like i'm going to be listening to some black light syndrome in a second

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:13 (six years ago) link

Bozzio Levin Stevens
ARE
Black Light Syndrome

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:14 (six years ago) link

i can't find any live footage, but i did find these guys doing a cover of the intro to "the sun road":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAYfXeVNyR0

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:18 (six years ago) link

xxxxx zzzzzzz 3 years ago
howmuch did you guys smoked before this ?:)

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:19 (six years ago) link

and here's the real deal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlPJ1wJiV5o

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:20 (six years ago) link

Wonder what Fripp would think of this song.

grandavis, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:29 (six years ago) link

We could probably do a whole thread on what I would call Guitar Clinic Bands -- those supergroups made up of mostly personality-less musician's musicians that always play at Zildjian events and the like, who make technically impeccable music that should ostensibly be at least interesting and yet is completely boring.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:50 (six years ago) link

there's just like no attempt to give the band any cohesive vibe beyond "we are musicians"

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:52 (six years ago) link

^^^i am very familiar with these bands from high school and have deep prog shame

precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:55 (six years ago) link

i thought we might already have a thread on it, but i guess i'm just thinking of this one: Let's figure out Dream Theater.

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:57 (six years ago) link

jeezus, i forgot about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BKmnlvO47E

that's worse than queensryche

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:12 (six years ago) link

of course, going back to the original post, which begins with "No cartoony dream theater examples in this thread. I am serious."

i am sorry jjjusten, i don't know what happened back there!

Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:12 (six years ago) link

amazed at the finglonger that LTEs bass player uses

the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:20 (six years ago) link

I notice no one is disputing Wookiefoot

DJP, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:32 (six years ago) link

don't spook the wookie

the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:35 (six years ago) link

"Spook the Wookie" sounds like itshould be an early draft of "Shock the Monkey"

DJP, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:36 (six years ago) link

xpost Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio, awesome in the right context, couldn't possibly be any less personality-less! That's often the biggest problem with bands like these.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:45 (six years ago) link

I don't have anything to add to this conversation except a) I am all for it and b) I'd like to encourage everyone to adopt Scott Ian pronounciation of Geoff Tate: JEE-OFF TAH-TAY

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:49 (six years ago) link

Geoff Tah-Tahs.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:57 (six years ago) link

Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio, awesome in the right context, couldn't possibly be any less personality-less!

OTM.

Also, I feel like I should object to calling this stuff prog except that I never actually took the time to listen to LTE or BLS.

Also also, vocals on Mindcrime are still dazzling.

are you saying you don't believe in mindcrime jjj??

There's a job for jjj in the system.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:58 (six years ago) link

have been friends with a guy for about 10 years and just last year found out he had a mindcrime tattoo on the back of his neck

he was kind of mad at me for laughing :/ but it was funny!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:01 (six years ago) link

Tateheads are scary

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:11 (six years ago) link

Ha, I didn't know that Tateheads were a thing.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:18 (six years ago) link

ask and ye shall find, via the comments section:

http://eddietrunk.com/the-todd-la-torre-fronted-queensryche-post-new-song-fallout-online/

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:22 (six years ago) link

though they are really akin to the one guy who goes to concerts and yells unintelligibly that everyone else points and laughs at

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:24 (six years ago) link

Isn't that mostly just a bunch of people saying "this sucks"?

xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:24 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I was referring to the guy whose comment was at the top! Sorry that I didn't specify, lol.

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:31 (six years ago) link

I really hope that is Ripper Owens that posted that

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:33 (six years ago) link

Posted by an old college friend on FB last week after a Columbus, OH show:

So, about the Queensryche show.... yes, it was Geoff "& some other guys," but those other guys kicked some serious ass (how can they not when one of those other guys is Rudy?) They did bring down the key one or two steps on pretty much everything, and there were many times Geoff decided to take the lower register instead of the high notes... but he did still hit the high notes when he chose to. To be fair, he usually made the correct choice.... he NEVER sounded bad...

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:38 (six years ago) link

Could we perhaps call it Exhibition Rock?

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:40 (six years ago) link

gasface rock

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:40 (six years ago) link

Haha, his synopsis is "Geoff can sing all those notes, he just doesn't want to. Greatness should be exhibited in doses."

I think I can refute Geoff still sounding great with any number of Youtube videos. I can't tell if it's because of his years of smoking, or the fact that he pretty much hates his musical legacy at this point.

Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:41 (six years ago) link

yknow he could just stop

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:42 (six years ago) link

Great thread.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 24 June 2013 19:12 (six years ago) link

I probably haven't even thought of Queensryche in over 10 years, but I'm amused by the idea that it is now "Geoff and some other guys" wherein Geoff completely blows.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 19:16 (six years ago) link

The thing is, I don't think Queensryche is actually that similar to the other bands we're talking about. Except for the 10-min "Suite Sister Mary", which I always skip, there is only one song on Mindcrime that is over 6m. There are five tracks that are less than 2m. It's only proggy in the Wall sense of being a narrative-based rock opera with high-budget production. (I barely pay attention to the narrative.) The songs are mostly pretty straightforward and traditional in structure. In fact, the band was largely there to support Tate, which is very different from what Dream Theater do, let alone these instrumental exhibition bands.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 19:24 (six years ago) link

makes them sound like they play at county fairs, or auto shows

j., Monday, 24 June 2013 19:50 (six years ago) link

you know what, I want to watch jjjusten choose between Queensryche and Stryper

DJP, Monday, 24 June 2013 19:52 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

Attila.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 28 February 2019 01:33 (one year ago) link

attila would be terrible if anybody actually _liked_ them

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 28 February 2019 01:55 (one year ago) link

nothing is worse than Queensryche

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 February 2019 04:16 (one year ago) link

queensryche sounds like the pokemon theme song

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 February 2019 07:44 (one year ago) link

Vice versa, surely?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 February 2019 12:08 (one year ago) link

I.......like Queensryche

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 February 2019 12:33 (one year ago) link

I do too. Im seein em in two days!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:05 (one year ago) link

"nothing is worse than Queensryche"

nonsense. Dream Theater is far far worse (I don't know why the first post says they're not allowed).

akm, Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:09 (one year ago) link

y'all should go see them with Fates Warning if they come by your town. top notch musicianship.

hell it was even louder than I expected for a RYCHE Show ffs lol

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 00:26 (one year ago) link

i should do no such thing

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 00:53 (one year ago) link

dude i hung out with in high school was the biggest Ryche fan i knew, even had his parents get him a customized plate: i believe it was RYCHE8

EMPIRE still slays

omar little, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 02:59 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

There's a million bands worse than Queensryche but there's few bands who ever topped their early 80s look for sheer "why would any band want to look like that" factor.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:25 (two weeks ago) link

iirc Geoff Tate had to wear his hair "that way" permanently because it was a temporary bird sanctuary.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:27 (two weeks ago) link

Tate has three daughters: Sabra, Bella, and Emily, along with one stepdaughter, Miranda. Tate was never married to Sabra's mother. In 2011, Miranda gave Geoff his first grandchild, giving birth to Riot Danger.[citation needed]

budo jeru, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:29 (two weeks ago) link


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