POLLy Jean Harvey - The PJ Harvey results thread

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

Just albums tonight, I'll start the tracks off tomorrow

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:50 (seven years ago) link

In joint tenth place with a mere six votes each:
A Woman A Man Walked By
Dance Hall At Louse
The Peel Sessions 1991-2004

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:53 (seven years ago) link

she looks so immaculate & polished on that photo. fortunately her music is something else entirely.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:57 (seven years ago) link

9. Uh Huh Her (2004) - 8 points, 3 votes
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001XQ8E8.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Not a very popular one this. I have to say I don't think I'd listened to it at all for about 8 years until getting ready for this poll. Three or four tracks I like, but nothing special.

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:57 (seven years ago) link

look at her
pretty shoulder/gnarly shoulder <3 <3 <3

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:01 (seven years ago) link

Title + haircut put me off quite a lot

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:01 (seven years ago) link

even the best tracks sound bored and disconnected. like she's all "shit, time to record another one."

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:02 (seven years ago) link

singularly hideous album cover too

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:03 (seven years ago) link

8. 4-Track Demos (1993) - 40 points, 1 first place, 8 votes
http://ukrmedia.biz/images/products/4track_demos_lightbox3_lightbox.jpg

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:06 (seven years ago) link

xp - cmon, "who the fuck" is great
the video is cute too -- she's dancing around an apt in her undies
fuiud
also i like her haircut

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:06 (seven years ago) link

yeah see that's how you dgaf

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:07 (seven years ago) link

About Uh-Huh Her: I voted for this one. It has the songs, she just chose to record them in an odd way. No Child Of Mine remains one of the catchier things she's ever done.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:07 (seven years ago) link

4-Track Demos is my no.1. I like nearly all of it more than Rid Of Me.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:08 (seven years ago) link

Uh Huh Her has got some classic tracks on it, but it just doesn't gel as well as we'd come to expect from her.

Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:08 (seven years ago) link

7. White Chalk (2007) - 48 points, 13 votes
http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/albums/10501/homepage_large.2cdfc67a.jpg

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:10 (seven years ago) link

love that angora bra thing from the 4 track demos cover
AND the white chalk cover is so beautiful and that dress makes me want to scream it's so pretty
she always has the best clothes! i love her styling through the years -- she doesn't get enough credit for sheer variety of looks.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:11 (seven years ago) link

UHH and WC placing exactly where they need to be.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:15 (seven years ago) link

4-Track Demos is my no.1. I like nearly all of it more than Rid Of Me.

i go back and forth. the demos are intimate and seem to capture more vocal nuance, but i love the meaty physicality of the albini drums. take "rid of me" (the song): i prefer the verses and the more balanced mix on the 4-trk version, but damn, the studio version's chorus just destroys. "yuri-g" is another case where the song is fantastic in both versions, and i can't pick a favorite.

4-trk does have "easy" and "reeling". can't imagine why those didn't make it to rom.

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:16 (seven years ago) link

lecha otm: white chalk photo & style are lovely (and rather baleful)

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:18 (seven years ago) link

this is one of those where I legitimately have no good guess as to the order in which the top three or four albums will place.

i push more weight than giles corey (Pillbox), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:18 (seven years ago) link

xp 4-Track demos is better than a lot below it, as is Demonstration, the equivalent album for Dry, but they kinda don't count.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:18 (seven years ago) link

Stories from the City better be next.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:19 (seven years ago) link

UHH and WC placing exactly where they need to be.

white chalk is her best record. then again i didn't vote.

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:19 (seven years ago) link

It's got its cult.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:20 (seven years ago) link

Many may have already seen this -- wicked outfit and a bitchin' guitar (anybody know what kind it is?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMwWP2Rr5JE

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:20 (seven years ago) link

What's Demonstration? I have a sudden vague memory of Dry coming in a two-disc version, which I didn't buy.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:20 (seven years ago) link

6. Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea (2000) - 66 points, 2 first places, 10 votes
http://www.albumoftheyear.org/album/covers/stories-from-the-city-stories-from-the-sea.jpg

Surprised to see this so low, to be honest.

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:22 (seven years ago) link

I'm regretting not voting for "4 Track Demos" now ... it's always been hard for me to separate it from "Rid of Me", the two of them together kind of make up a complete set. I actually bought it before RoM and didn't hear RoM in it's entirety until several months later.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:25 (seven years ago) link

white chalk is an album i wouldn't have expected from her. it's so intimate and she seems so vulnerable on it. i quite like it as it is different. most songs have got a frightening, harrowing quality to them. a very intense album, i rated it higher.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:25 (seven years ago) link

What's Demonstration? I have a sudden vague memory of Dry coming in a two-disc version, which I didn't buy.

Yeah, early copies came with an extra disc called Demonstration. I got it on vinyl - probably my favourite record/object I own. It's basically the demos for Dry, which I think were the tapes that got her signed in the first place.

Here's Oh My Lover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwVCOuQK6w

And Dress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzYhPEEmzaY

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:27 (seven years ago) link

a little surprised to see stories that low until i stop to think what it could've possibly beaten (w/ a different sample group it might've beaten is this desire? but that sure as fuck wasn't happening here)

balls, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:28 (seven years ago) link

SFTC.. is a flawed album w/ a handful of incredible high points.

i push more weight than giles corey (Pillbox), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:28 (seven years ago) link

xpost It's an Airline guitar, prolly from the 60s (not a reissue). I believe Jack White is a fan.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:28 (seven years ago) link

Very surprised to see the next one so low as well...

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:31 (seven years ago) link

5. Dry (1992) - 122 points, 6 first places, 17 votes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nsCT3EFoxK8/SSqlvEhwW8I/AAAAAAAAA0g/WBxppmlWqIg/s320/PJ+Harvey+-+Dry-1992.jpg

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:33 (seven years ago) link

yeah that's crazy but somebody in that top five had to be #5, i get to keep on thinking let england shake is a little overrated though

balls, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:35 (seven years ago) link

yeah, not a huge surprise, though it deserves better. rom & les were shoo-ins, and the tbyml/isd backers seem p dedicated.

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:37 (seven years ago) link

Dry is a cracking first draft, but not at all ridiculous to conclude she's made four better ones

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:39 (seven years ago) link

i guess it has to do with the fact tat most people who voted probably were not around at the time. from my pov definitely her best album, very song is a killer. so much energy plus great tunes and a pretty perfect, dry production.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:39 (seven years ago) link

I thought "Dry" might win ... other albums had their backers but "Dry" seemed to be the album that everybody liked

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:40 (seven years ago) link

every song a killer...

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:40 (seven years ago) link

I was around at the time and I didn't feel the need to buy a PJ Harvey album until TBYML

I didn't vote tho

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:40 (seven years ago) link

4. Is This Desire? (1998) - 124 points, 4 first places, 21 votes
http://merlin.pl/Is-This-Desire_PJ-Harvey,images_big,26,5245632.jpg

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:42 (seven years ago) link

only on ILM! yay!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:43 (seven years ago) link

I was around at the time and have vinyl Dry somewhere, but am now really regretting not shelling out for the double-disc. (memory says it might've been in indie shops only, which is a pretty poor show Chain With No Name, if you're reading)

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:43 (seven years ago) link

yeah there could be a gulf in perspective between ppl for who whom dry was first contact w/ huge impact and ppl for whom it was just 'the early stuff' or whatever

balls, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:43 (seven years ago) link

ITD really made folks in my neck of the woods go "whaaaa...?" in '98. Certainly it sounded like a holding pattern compared to its predecessors. It didn't grab me until three years later.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:44 (seven years ago) link

i am still hoping that to bring you my love might win this but that is probably a delusion.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:47 (seven years ago) link

Dry was my number one by a mile (and obviously the first one I heard).

BBC 'Witch' Song (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 21:48 (seven years ago) link

I had that double lp version of "Dry" with the demos. I did record it to minidisc ...

I didn't realise that the corresponding cd edition wasn't two CDs as well, but one long one.

Is that getting the remaster reissue treatment?

Mark G, Friday, 22 May 2020 22:05 (one week ago) link

If so, would it be a rare instance of ... remastered demos?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 May 2020 22:29 (one week ago) link

Well, I meant the package...

Still, it wouldn't be the first time

Mark G, Friday, 22 May 2020 22:32 (one week ago) link

‘Dry’ vinyl reissue and ‘Dry - Demos’ vinyl/CD/download – released 24th July 2020. Full back catalogue of vinyl reissues and stand-alone demo albums to follow.

Pre-order:
Dry - Demos: https://t.co/kZTJDz5KtK
Dry vinyl: https://t.co/1kFbfgoCAo pic.twitter.com/UxarCGnqcT

— PJ Harvey (@PJHarveyUK) May 28, 2020

Duke, Thursday, 28 May 2020 14:16 (five days ago) link

Here they are

Duke, Thursday, 28 May 2020 14:17 (five days ago) link

thank god these are finally going to be rolling out. Dry has always needed a remaster, to my ears.

akm, Thursday, 28 May 2020 14:21 (five days ago) link

Dry has always sounded great to me, imo.

Does that include any of that unreleased stuff seen on the cassette labels?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 14:38 (five days ago) link

Yeah I've always liked the sound of Dry

Duke, Thursday, 28 May 2020 15:24 (five days ago) link

it's just so quiet. I'm not asking for all the dynamics to be gone, but a little more heft and a volume boost would be appreciated

akm, Thursday, 28 May 2020 15:30 (five days ago) link

I found my minidisc copy of Dry&demos yesterday.

Mark G, Thursday, 28 May 2020 15:48 (five days ago) link

DRY DEMOS!!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 15:52 (five days ago) link

Oh man want to hear

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 15:52 (five days ago) link

I bought the original Dry vinyl + demos back in 1991. The demos are great - to me, much more satisfying than the Rid of Me demos. That Dry+demo release is probably one of the records I have that is worth most cash – I guess this is likely to change now. I'm more excited about the reissues to come later though. If they're all going to come out one by one, she's missing a trick – I would happily splash out £200 on a complete box set, but if there isn't going to be one, I'll just pick up what I don't already have on vinyl (Is This Desire? + Stories).

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 28 May 2020 16:41 (five days ago) link

I have never heard the Dry demos, only the ones released as 4-track Demos, which was my introduction to learning how songs are made. I was 18 or 19 at the time and didn't know much about how music actually got written/recorded.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 16:43 (five days ago) link

yeah would like an expanded 4-track Demos please (also a live Hope Six and/or all new)(haven't heard the soundtracks, are they good?)

dow, Thursday, 28 May 2020 16:54 (five days ago) link

Was "Easy" ever released on another album other than 4 track demos?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 16:57 (five days ago) link

it is easily (lol) one of my favorites of her early songs

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 16:58 (five days ago) link

akm OTM IMHO. Even by the standards of its time, the original release of Dry was mastered at a curiously low volume.

The multiplying villainies of nature / Do swarm upon him (Vast Halo), Thursday, 28 May 2020 16:58 (five days ago) link

I bought the original Dry vinyl + demos back in 1991. The demos are great - to me, much more satisfying than the Rid of Me demos. That Dry+demo release is probably one of the records I have that is worth most cash [...]

― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 28 May 2020 18:41 (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah same here. 1992, I think actually. I checked Discogs a while back and it was selling for an average of £200

Duke, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:17 (five days ago) link

The idea of releasing demos for To Bring You My Love, Is This Desire, White Chalk, or Let England Shake makes me ridiculously excited for this reissue series.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:18 (five days ago) link

I was weighing getting out of vinyl completely but a full set of PJH is making me rethink it.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:21 (five days ago) link

I guess this is too early to tell, but I wonder if there will also be a mop up of the stray released tracks on these reissues?

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:22 (five days ago) link

Interesting to hear different perspectives, because I actually think "To Bring You My Love" is the one that sounds mastered at a curiously low volume (esp. coming from peak Flood), and that the fucking-with-you dynamics of "Rid of Me" does it no favors, and would love to hear both of *those* remixed/remastered. But "Dry" ... I played it for someone I know who had never heard it before, or really anything by her, and he said it reminded him of the way early Zeppelin is recorded, which is to say, awesome. The drums on "Dry" alone are some of my favorite recorded drums ever (another aspect of the trio hurt by the famed Albini Wall of Thud).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:30 (five days ago) link

The remastering of Dry was done by Head who recorded/produced the original, so I hope he won't fuck with the sound too much.

The reissues have been in the works for quite a while, I remember John Parish posting pics of some test pressings approved by him on FB in 2013/2014.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:52 (five days ago) link

I want a dumb nickname like Flood or Head

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:53 (five days ago) link

Dry sounds great, Rid of Me sounds bad. The sound of Rid of Me always reminds me of the similarly weedy & hard to enjoy sound John Zorn produced for Boredoms around the same time on Wow 2.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:57 (five days ago) link

xpost don't forget Youth

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:57 (five days ago) link

Spot

dow, Thursday, 28 May 2020 18:07 (five days ago) link

Apparently Flood gained his nickname when he was a young tape op, because he regularly spilled cups of tea on the mixing desk.

The multiplying villainies of nature / Do swarm upon him (Vast Halo), Thursday, 28 May 2020 18:49 (five days ago) link

Spot! Forgot Spot. Youth is new to me. Flood could be a surname too. Sorry for the derail.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 19:14 (five days ago) link

1992, I think actually.

Oh yeah, no doubt you're right. This is kinda boring, but I thought 1991 cos I know I got it when I still lived in my mum's house, but I didn't move out till April 1992 so it could have been early that spring. That makes sense. It was sunny when I got the bus to Edinburgh on a Saturday morning, and sunny back with that record. I hadn't heard a note from her before then - just bought it based on the review, as I always did then.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:22 (five days ago) link

Ha. It was March 1992, so just before your move. I also bought it on release day just on the strength of reviews.

Duke, Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:38 (five days ago) link

Rid of Me sounds bad

This is beyond wrong - I have a fairly decent audio system and cranking Rid of Me is the closest I have ever heard to a band in the room right there in front of me. Absolutely impeccable, brilliant recording. It's not compressed to bring the sound "forward" which is its cardinal virtue (aside from the incredible performances and peak songwriting from PJH).

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:54 (five days ago) link

otmfm

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:57 (five days ago) link

Well, that's the pro and con of many Albini productions: crank it and it *does* sounds like the band is in the room right in front of you. But sometimes you don't want the band right in front of you. I'm not sure that's what the studio is necessarily for. That's what live performances (and live recordings) are for! Albini prides himself on taking himself out of the mix (so to speak). He's just there to capture the moment in the most pure way possible and so, just a guy recording the band, doing their bidding, and so on. But the ironic result on "Rid of Me" is that he is more present and apparent than ever, which is why literally no one fails to mention the sound of the record (again, pro and con). Don't get me wrong, I love "Rid of Me," I just still think it was the wrong approach for a trio of such cool, unique musicians, and it's why despite liking all of the songs it's the only thing keeping me from listening to it as much as I otherwise would.

(I should also stress that I think the Albini approach does often work, and to the band's benefit, whether the Jesus Lizard or Low or Bedhead or Page/Plant.)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:06 (five days ago) link

I dunno. I think that approach on Rid of Me makes it more intense than it would have been had it been recorded differently, and that intensity is kind of the point.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:27 (five days ago) link

Can't really disagree, but I don't think we would have missed out on any intensity with a different approach. Intensity is kind of her thing!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:44 (five days ago) link

He's just there to capture the moment in the most pure way possible and so, just a guy recording the band, doing their bidding, and so on. But the ironic result on "Rid of Me" is that he is more present and apparent than ever


Apart from his distinctive drum miking, I would argue that he’s no more or less present on this record than on any of his others. The band employed extreme dynamic shifts, and that’s what Albini recorded. Since so few bands of that type at that time were exploiting dynamics in that way, it sounded jarring; I seem to remember the contemporary Village Voice review talking about how some were rushing to credit Albini with what PJ’s band was doing.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:55 (five days ago) link

Oh, I have no doubt it was her idea! I just find it distracting is all, since so few bands exploit dynamics in that way, period. But I'm also not a big fan of the guitar sounds on "Rid of Me," iirc. I should give it a fresh listen (if my family ever leaves the house, because they will tell me to turn it the fuck off, because see above).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:58 (five days ago) link

I guess the 4-track Demos album presents those songs in a much less overwhelming arrangements? I don't understand how Rid of Me is anything but a powerful band reaching for the most visceral, slamming sound possible, and absolutely nailing it. I'm glad it exists and I'm glad it sounds nothing like 99% of my record collection.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:41 (five days ago) link

I mean - the dynamics and drama are the *point* of those songs.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:43 (five days ago) link

Trying to imagine Rid of Me with a more 1993 Alt-Rock identikit production, and it's not pretty in all the wrong ways.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:47 (five days ago) link

rid of me, produced by butch vig

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:56 (five days ago) link

or Ross Robinson

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 29 May 2020 00:01 (four days ago) link

Gross

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 May 2020 00:03 (four days ago) link

Every record produced by Butch Vig would have been better without him, except perhaps for Garbage's first two albums.

pomenitul, Friday, 29 May 2020 00:07 (four days ago) link

Rid Of Me...produced by Mitchell Froom

Bells and whistles

Master of Treacle, Friday, 29 May 2020 00:51 (four days ago) link

I try to imagine Rid of Me produced by Flood all the time

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 29 May 2020 01:20 (four days ago) link

Really hoping she finally releases a compilation of her incredible b-sides. "Memphis" could've been a hit.

beamish13, Friday, 29 May 2020 18:23 (four days ago) link

^ I have been thinking about the B-sides as well. The press release mentions only demos being released as companion albums, and while with Dry and Rid of Me it's quite simple (Demonstration and 4-Track Demos have already been out since the early 90s, and there are like 3 B-sides from that period that wouldn't warrant a separate release anyway), things get a bit more complicated with later albums. For instance, the guitar and vocal tracks on "I Think I'm a Mother" are apparently taken from PJ's demo recording, similarly a bunch of tracks from Is This Desire? was just demos that were transferred into the studio and then the band worked on top of them. And of course she recorded most of Uh Huh Her (apart from the drums) by herself on an 8-track at home. There are probably more cases of her home recordings making their way onto the final albums.

So it seems in some cases the 'demos' may not be that different from the finished product, which makes me wonder if they'll include some B-sides on the future releases instead.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Friday, 29 May 2020 19:47 (four days ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.