Imagine if John Lydon had died in 1980 and Ian Curtis was making adverts for Country Life butter

what if Phil collins was gay?

"In Too Deep" would have a whole other dimension.

you're no son of mine

heard 'love will tear us apart' in the supermarket the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBzmn8bcyk

Ian Curtis rides a rollercoaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPIvoJkmGs

I saw that yesterday but couldn't think the best thread to put it on. Good pick.

What if the Red Hot Chili Peppers came from Grimsby instead of Hollywood?

We were the butter kind

Posted on another thread?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/john-lydon-trump-brexit-nigel-farage-support-sex-pistols-singer-good-morning-britain-a7652981.html?cmpid=facebook-post

it's funny that this is being treated like it's a news story when he's openly been a right-wing shithead for as long as i can remember

It's like how people were Stoll looking to Bob Dylan to lead the revolution in 1982

as ian curtis is in the thread title: imagine what an insufferable bastard he would be if he were alive, considering that when he was in his early 20s he was a tory voter who didn't allow his wife to vote because she supported labour

lol i didnt know that, damn

thought this thread was revived re Lydon's Brexit comments

as opposed to...?

this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.

Lydon's been making a fool of himself in one way or another for 35 years. (I should say I haven't read his books, which are supposed to be good.) But I'm with Marcus there (he's talking about some Sex Pistols reunion show specifically, but I'd extend it to pronouncements like Lydon's today):

"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."

thought this thread was revived re Lydon's Brexit comments

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 27, 2017 9:15 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as opposed to...?

― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Monday, March 27, 2017

my bad: I missed the first post

I don't remember the tory Curtis stuff. What's the source on that?

It's in Touching from a Distance:

Ian ... voted Conservative as he always would do. He argued that as his wife I had to vote the same way, otherwise I would cancel his vote!

https://books.google.com/books?id=LmSwBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT52&dq=ian+curtis+conservative+touching+from+a+distance&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR65SYnvjSAhUD2yYKHd5_BjgQuwUIIzAB#v=onepage&q=ian%20curtis%20conservative%20touching%20from%20a%20distance&f=false

He died at 23. There was only two general elections he could've voted in and only one during their marriage. That "he always" is carrying a lot of weight.

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

the doddering classes often become conservative without realizing it

this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArthvGUb_w

Doughnut Bump?

Man, Conan looks weird in that screen capture.

too bad, cz "no future in England's dreaming" is a fairly prescient synopsis of Brexit

or maybe it won't be, I mean I can't claim to be that prescient myself obv

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

Well, if he's complacent enough to view the situation as nothing more than entertainment, that's something of an ideological position in itself, but I think he said more than that? There's more of the interview here (although it's mostly quoted in the text of the Independent article). He said he stands with the working class in favour of Brexit. (And if I understand how the British class system works, which I definitely don't, I'm guessing this probably means something like "white working class".) And he said "the left-wing media" is smearing Trump as racist, which he doesn't think is true (but many of us do); and that it's a very good thing that he's "terrifying politicians" (again, not something that everyone agrees with).

Probably considers himself smeared as a racist by Kele Okereke.

lydon is most likely a tory shithead, all things considered, but he's also always been pretty good at saying stuff that gets him media attention

nah, he's "apolitical", like as in "atonal"

I doubt he's a Tory. Being NOT MIDDLE CLASS is his whole thing.

it's not his whole thing - there's also being a sneering, money-motivated property-developing arsehole with which is prime tory territory iirc

What I meant is that not being seen to be middle class is more important to him than any political affiliations.

He's just yet another embarrassing I-just-say-what-I-think rentagob at this stage. It makes little difference whether they self-identify as right-wing or not, but there was some dodgy stuff involving Kele Okerere a few years ago.

yeah exactly - i don't care how he votes - saying right-wing things is an act in itself, whatever his private feelings are don't concern me in this context.

The Kele thing..

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

Now, let's think about the Donald. Hmmmmm....

"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."

this is a weird claim for Marcus to make, given his insistence, elsewhere, on the important of context. an artist's later work and actions enrich/further/complicate the context of their earlier work, at the very least. if that work has, in the past, been political in nature/focus, then an artist's expressed political opinions might also further illuminate/complicate the earlier work. earlier work doesn't exist in some weird bubble where nothing that comes later can touch it; even the experience of being moved by that earlier work can be complicated in severe instance (where the artist later goes on to commit murder, say).

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented, vocal support for Trump suggests he doesn't exactly have the best interests of black people at heart but who really gives a shit what a pop star from 30 years ago thinks about politics anyway?

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

mmm, inclined to go back to what lg said about 'private feelings' here - if you're knowingly surrounding yourself with racists who end up getting into a racially-motivated fracas then you're just as much at fault imo

uhm I think you're forgetting one thing: john lydon likes reggae

If you think you have evidence that a rock star might be racist, maybe try looking into whether or not they like reggae first before you embarrass yourself

tru, sorry everyone

lol

aka the "Morrissey test"

Is Morrissey still a Farage fan? Has he being saying anything political in recent years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCDkRpc4pns

aka the "Morrissey test"

― oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague)

applied by John Roberts when striking down a key section of the Voting Rights Act iirc