Imagine if John Lydon had died in 1980 and Ian Curtis was making adverts for Country Life butter

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Just how different would things be?

OutdoorFish, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:01 (four years ago) Permalink

Imagine if James Brown had died in 1967 and Otis Redding sang "Living in America" in Rocky IV.

cougars and sneezers (Eazy), Friday, 5 April 2013 23:12 (four years ago) Permalink

What if Air Supply died in 1983 and Jim Morrison was selling 16CD collections of soft rock classics from the 70s

Poliopolice, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:14 (four years ago) Permalink

imagine if eddie vedder had died in 1994 and kurt cobain was making ukelele albums

My Sunn0))), My Sunn0))), What Have Ye Drone? (wins), Friday, 5 April 2013 23:15 (four years ago) Permalink

what if ringo had died in 1980 and john lennon was now killing children throughout cheshire and burying their broken remains in unmarked shallow graves

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:16 (four years ago) Permalink

what i had died yesterday and ebert was watching jaws 4

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:17 (four years ago) Permalink

what if a plane had been flown into morrissey and the world trade centre was complaining about the staples centre

My Sunn0))), My Sunn0))), What Have Ye Drone? (wins), Friday, 5 April 2013 23:17 (four years ago) Permalink

"what do you do when you're not flying planes?"
"i deliver laundry"

OutdoorFish, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:19 (four years ago) Permalink

surely ian would be reviving the "I feel like chicken tonight" ad?

Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Imagine if Molly Hatchet died in a plane crash in '77 and Lynyrd Skynyrd were playing the Lincolnton Hog Happenin' Festival with only one original member

you left your keys in the door (Matt #2), Friday, 5 April 2013 23:45 (four years ago) Permalink

Actually they probably are, what am I saying

you left your keys in the door (Matt #2), Friday, 5 April 2013 23:45 (four years ago) Permalink

D. Boon survived the van accident and ultimately ended up joining political forces with Moe Tucker.

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 April 2013 23:52 (four years ago) Permalink

what if Dave Gahan died every night and rose from the grave every morning

not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Man, all those things would be crazy.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:04 (four years ago) Permalink

what if Richard Fariña had survived his motorcycle accident and ended up writing the liner notes to Lotion's "Nobody's Cool."

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:05 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost yeah especially the ukelele thing

OutdoorFish, Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:08 (four years ago) Permalink

what if in February 1959 Waylon Jennings had left the Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, Iowa after the Winter Dance Party gig to board the fateful Beechcraft Bonanza that never got further than the Mason City Municipal Airport and in April 1977 Dion DiMucci debuted a #1 Country hit with "Luckenbach, Texas (Back To The Basics Of Love"

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:23 (four years ago) Permalink

what if prog had died in 1977 and people were still acting like they like punk rock

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:25 (four years ago) Permalink

what if billy corgan died of an od and jimmy chamberlin went on to release a series of shit albums under the name "smashing pumpkins"?

OutdoorFish, Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:31 (four years ago) Permalink

what if Benny Spellman had been sidelined during the recording of Ernie K Doe's "Mother-In-Law" and Allen Toussaint made an executive decision to have the title refrain sung in a falsetto by Aaron Neville

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 00:39 (four years ago) Permalink

What if the Beatles released the Black Album and Metallica released the White Album?

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:21 (four years ago) Permalink

what if the bus landed on lars ulrich instead of cliff burton, we'd probably be listening to metallica 100 thrash classixxx on napster right now

adult bash (m bison), Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Seriously though guys, Johnny Rotten would be some kind of untouchable icon.

OutdoorFish, Saturday, 6 April 2013 08:00 (four years ago) Permalink

what if Brian Jones hadn't died, and he just kept doing drugs like Keef but just got more and more insufferable and ended up being like a Lou Reed level dick to everyone for decades and Lou seeing what a dick Brian Jones was he became kind of kindly and nice

that would be weird

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 April 2013 08:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Brilliant

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 11:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Imagine if Sid Vicious... Oh wait

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Saturday, 6 April 2013 11:58 (four years ago) Permalink

what if mozart hadn't died? ever?

woah.

a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 6 April 2013 12:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Star Trek TOS episode about that, iirc. Requiem for Methuselah.

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 12:28 (four years ago) Permalink

what if simon le bon had turned down that nme advert and jarvis cocker became the duran duran vocalist

Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 12:54 (four years ago) Permalink

xxpost think he would have got really freaked out by Falco

OutdoorFish, Saturday, 6 April 2013 12:57 (four years ago) Permalink

what if jarvis cocker had actually decided to go and live like common people do

not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 6 April 2013 12:57 (four years ago) Permalink

what if blixa bargeld had been driving that car in the dominican republic and falco had recorded 'silence is sexy' xp

Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 12:59 (four years ago) Permalink

What if they never cancelled firefly

What if billy crystal had been born a woman

What if the sun exploded tomorrow and this thread was the last thing you saw

My Sunn0))), My Sunn0))), What Have Ye Drone? (wins), Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:06 (four years ago) Permalink

What if ROM was the best character Marvel ever came up with?

OutdoorFish, Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:10 (four years ago) Permalink

what if prince had stopped being such a dickhole

Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:16 (four years ago) Permalink

what if Brother Pele was in the front
and Sweet Zina was in the back

how bizarre

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

what if the clowns were to the right and the jokers were to the left

Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:23 (four years ago) Permalink

What if the ghosts of the London Boys took and MTV presenting job in 1994 and Miles Hunt died in a car crash

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:26 (four years ago) Permalink

what if james booth fronted a band called 'tim'

Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:27 (four years ago) Permalink

what if the people would have been the times or between clark and hilldale

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 13:46 (four years ago) Permalink

What if dre forgot about dre and y'all muthafuckas bought snowbiles

mister borges (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 14:01 (four years ago) Permalink

what if we give it away

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2013 14:10 (four years ago) Permalink

what if God was one of the acts at the Us festival

da croupier, Saturday, 6 April 2013 14:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Imagine if Chris Cornell had died in 1994 and Kurt Cobain had sung the theme tune for Casino Royale.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 6 April 2013 14:28 (four years ago) Permalink

what if Little Steven couldn't wait to play Sun City

da croupier, Saturday, 6 April 2013 14:28 (four years ago) Permalink

What if Nick Cave ate a cheeseburger, like, yesterday?

Captain Amerykah (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 6 April 2013 15:54 (four years ago) Permalink

What if we had psychedelic ketchup?

Captain Amerykah (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 6 April 2013 15:54 (four years ago) Permalink

what if Tim Yuro were still alive?

m0stlyClean, Saturday, 6 April 2013 16:13 (four years ago) Permalink

Aw, still miss hearing from that guy.

pplains, Saturday, 6 April 2013 16:54 (four years ago) Permalink

What if Zac de la Rocha set himself on fire and a Buddhist monk was the front man for Rage Against the Machine?

Captain Amerykah (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 6 April 2013 17:48 (four years ago) Permalink

it's not his whole thing - there's also being a sneering, money-motivated property-developing arsehole with which is prime tory territory iirc

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

What I meant is that not being seen to be middle class is more important to him than any political affiliations.

Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

He's just yet another embarrassing I-just-say-what-I-think rentagob at this stage. It makes little difference whether they self-identify as right-wing or not, but there was some dodgy stuff involving Kele Okerere a few years ago.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah exactly - i don't care how he votes - saying right-wing things is an act in itself, whatever his private feelings are don't concern me in this context.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Kele thing..

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

Now, let's think about the Donald. Hmmmmm....

Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."

this is a weird claim for Marcus to make, given his insistence, elsewhere, on the important of context. an artist's later work and actions enrich/further/complicate the context of their earlier work, at the very least. if that work has, in the past, been political in nature/focus, then an artist's expressed political opinions might also further illuminate/complicate the earlier work. earlier work doesn't exist in some weird bubble where nothing that comes later can touch it; even the experience of being moved by that earlier work can be complicated in severe instance (where the artist later goes on to commit murder, say).

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented, vocal support for Trump suggests he doesn't exactly have the best interests of black people at heart but who really gives a shit what a pop star from 30 years ago thinks about politics anyway?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

mmm, inclined to go back to what lg said about 'private feelings' here - if you're knowingly surrounding yourself with racists who end up getting into a racially-motivated fracas then you're just as much at fault imo

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

uhm I think you're forgetting one thing: john lydon likes reggae

samovars are trying to steep (wins), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

If you think you have evidence that a rock star might be racist, maybe try looking into whether or not they like reggae first before you embarrass yourself

samovars are trying to steep (wins), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

tru, sorry everyone

tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

aka the "Morrissey test"

oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is Morrissey still a Farage fan? Has he being saying anything political in recent years?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCDkRpc4pns

how's life, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

aka the "Morrissey test"

― oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague)

applied by John Roberts when striking down a key section of the Voting Rights Act iirc

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

― everything, Monday, March 27, 2017 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah he thinks that enoch powell is the the greatest ever briton. wonderful guy. not right-wing at all.

bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh is this the "they're not actually racist, they're just saying ironic stuff to shock people" debate again, I thought we settled that with the alt-right

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

well, yeah. lydon was always a troll but now that is basically undistinguishable from alt-right. it's a generational thing somewhat. godard tripped on it as well.

wow, enoch powell? when did he say that?

gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 19:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

It would be no biggie, Enoch's reputation has been completely rehabilitated since they found out he "wasn't totally impartial to" a bit of Dixieland Swing, occasionally.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp. i can't find it anywhere online but i vividly remember watching john lydon on the tv as part of the 100 greatest britons programme advocating for enoch powell, talking about the cruelty of mass immigration on the native white, working class communities, and how powell was prescient with his river's of blood speech.

bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol river's of blood

bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm glad I'm not the only cunt who keeps butchering apostrophes on here tbh!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost hahaha. Kinda wish Enoch Powell was a jazz fan but when he was on Desert Island Discs he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden. His book choice (bearing in mind you already are given a bible) was the Old Testament in Hebrew. Wotta twat.

everything, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

one thing about old enoch that your modern day rightist chuds can't match is at least the horrible old bastard was a polyglot

darraghsack (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

Lydon channeling Brendan O'Neill

Brexit is actually the most rock’n’roll thing to have happened in a generation. What we have here is ordinary people, including vast swathes of the working class, saying ‘No’ to the status quo, sticking two fingers up at an aloof elite, channelling Rotten and Vicious to say screw you (or something rather tastier) to that illiberal, risk-averse layer of bureaucracy in Brussels. It makes the student radicals of the 60s and even the anarchic punks of the 70s look like rank amateurs in comparison. Sure, those guys might have waved flowers against the Vietnam War or put safety pins through their snouts, but did they send the political class, the chattering class and the business elite into an existential tailspin by delivering a severe sucker punch to these people’s favourite institution? No, they didn’t. Brexit did, though.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-punk-thing-happened-years/

soref, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

didn't Gove also write some sub-Spiked screed more than a decade ago about how right-wingers are the modern day punk rockers?

soref, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope or a classist

all of you are going straight to hell

F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

c u there

F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope, a homeboy, a hippie & a funki dredd

oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

Big Audio Dynamite

Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Talking of which, that Don Letts is a tedious look-back eejit, and I'm not racist - I have at least 2 Burning Spear albums!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

What exactly is Lydon selling anyway?

Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

$1.9 million house in malibu last i heard

i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Can't get more working class than that.

Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Well he's anti middle class. Said nothing about the Malibu crowd.

gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

john, when yer dead you should ly don.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:27 PM (one hour ago)

john lydon and sid vicious were different ppl fyi

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:27 PM (one hour ago)

john lydon and sid vicious were different ppl fyi

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:02 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Good heavens! You frighten me to death"

everything, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 04:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

when he was on Desert Island Discs he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden. His book choice (bearing in mind you already are given a bible) was the Old Testament in Hebrew.

tbf these are good choices

example (crüt), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 04:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

His luxury item was a fish smoker but I didn't mention it since there's nothing fascist about them.

everything, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 04:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wondering about the literary merits of the old testament in Hebrew.

gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 06:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden.

Interesting that he'd mix things up with an indie singer-songwriter.:P Also, if that means he picked four operas by Wagner, I'm pretty sure that's cheating.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 10:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wondering about the literary merits of the old testament in Hebrew.

the Psalms, Job, Jonah and the Song of Solomon are among the greatest literature ever produced imo. of them I've only translated a phrase or two from Psalms & SOS (and the little Hebrew I studied for a year in college has long since atrophied) but iirc the word is the OT in Hebrew has quite stunning literary merit

though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 12:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

Job needs more car chases and people being kicked in the face IMO, but I guess that'll have to wait for the movie version. Jason Statham is...JOB.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 13:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Imagine an alternate timeline where Tony Hadley and Ian Curtis were touring as part of Blue Wedge.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 4 December 2017 15:35 (one week ago) Permalink

What if someone had started another thread about Lydon’s politics and the life hadn’t been sucked out of this awesome one?

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 10 December 2017 14:39 (one week ago) Permalink


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