Talking Heads - Speaking in Tongues poll

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
9. This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody) 33
3. Girlfriend Is Better 17
1. Burning Down the House 15
8. Pull Up the Roots 6
2. Making Flippy Floppy 4
4. Slippery People 4
5. I Get Wild/Wild Gravity 3
6. Swamp 2
7. Moon Rocks 1


Bee OK, Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:59 (five years ago) Permalink

i bought the dual disc reissue of this a few years back but it's still unopened. time to change that.

Bee OK, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I love the first side and of course the SMS version are better (do dislike the awful thwacking drum tracks though).

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:03 (five years ago) Permalink

this must be the landslide

some dude, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:14 (five years ago) Permalink

though i love "this must be the place" i've decide to offer a bold challop and give my vote to the underappreciated "burning down the house"

da croupier, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:22 (five years ago) Permalink

http://bit.ly/13STLmr

markers, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:24 (five years ago) Permalink

i remember when makers had something to say but that was a long time ago...

Bee OK, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:34 (five years ago) Permalink

who took the markers
who took the markers away

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:34 (five years ago) Permalink

if we're ignoring The Place, then for me it's Girlfriend Is Better

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 April 2013 12:42 (five years ago) Permalink

Voting Place, cause I had it playing during my wedding, big soft twat that I am.

Late night with Amazing Bo (MaresNest), Thursday, 4 April 2013 12:51 (five years ago) Permalink

The love for "Place" in the last ten years surprises me. I love it too but it's not even my favorite Heads love song.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:07 (five years ago) Permalink

"Girlfriend is Better" is such a jam. "This Must Be the Place" is cool and should probably win, but hey.

ta-nehisi goatse (fadanuf4erybody), Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:09 (five years ago) Permalink

live versions of Making Flippy Floppy, Slippery People and Burning Down The House are just about the best thing ever but gone for Pull Up the Roots.
baffling they never did that on the SMS tour.

anyone ever own a copy of the Rauschenberg vinyl?

piscesx, Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Girlfriend Is Better I prefer in SMS form, possibly thanks to be it being the one on Sand In The Vasoline

da croupier, Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:17 (five years ago) Permalink

"Girlfriend is Better" is such a jam. "This Must Be the Place" is cool and should probably win, but hey.

Yus.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:17 (five years ago) Permalink

anyone ever own a copy of the Rauschenberg vinyl?

Yes - the plastic they used was NOT made to age. It reminds me of that kind of plastic they use to seal electronics (is that called a "blister packs"?), and I've never seen a copy that wasn't totally yellowed.

But man, it looks so cool.

Walter Galt, Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:35 (five years ago) Permalink

I went with Girlfriend Is Better, although yes, the SMS version is better.

<rant>I'm pretty sick of This Must Be the Place at this point, especially after seeing the film of the same name. I'm getting increasingly irked by movies that try to build a plot around a flimsy connection to a random song that the director or screenwriter likes. It's the equivalent of novelists dropping song lyrics in their writing that are meant to stand in for actual insight or description. Take This Waltz is another recent example of a film that does this, plus there was some movie recently (forgetting the name) where the entire soundtrack was versions of Van Morrison song for no apparent reason.</rant>

Moodles, Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:45 (five years ago) Permalink

I'd watch a movie called I Get Wild/Wild Gravity

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:51 (five years ago) Permalink

Sequel is That's Us/Wild Combination

Tim F, Thursday, 4 April 2013 13:55 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah the Rauschenberg sleeve always looks like someone's been smoking near it for 2 decades whenever i've seen it.

oh and by the way, if you fancy a This Must Be The Place T shirt, it's a bargain at £125

http://www.oki-ni.com/accessories/undercover-men-s-this-must-be-the-place-print-t-shirt-und1629blu.html

piscesx, Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:30 (five years ago) Permalink

I have the Raucshenberg edition as well and can confirm the plastic is yellowed and not that user friendly. Still cool to have. Pull Up The Roots almost got my vote.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Lots of copies on Discogs. Even the sealed copies say the case has yellowed. http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=1443184&ev=rb

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:42 (five years ago) Permalink

nothing is better than this- wait a minute

all false moves (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:45 (five years ago) Permalink

Generational issue! Can't get my head around the retcon that "This Must Be The Place" is THE SONG off this record -- in fact THE SONG is "Burning Down The House." They didn't even put "Place" on the Stop Making Sense soundtrack, is how highly they esteemed it! (SiT tracks there = Swamp, Slippery People, Girlfriend Is Better, House.)

There is much to be said for "This Must Be The Place," of course, but "Burning Down The House," played in a dark room, sounds like the reason Talking Heads were put on Earth.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:46 (five years ago) Permalink

well, at the time bdth was like a generational pop megasingle. in my world, tmbtp was that supercool song that later showed up in wall street.

all false moves (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Voted for "Making Flippy Floppy." Love the synth riffs going flippy floppy over the chorus and that eerie-beautiful outro.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:50 (five years ago) Permalink

mmm, i'm stuck between girlfriend and making flippy floppy.

all false moves (Hunt3r), Thursday, 4 April 2013 14:51 (five years ago) Permalink

in my world, tmbtp was that supercool song that later showed up in wall street.

saw that movie when it came out and had no memory of "this must be the place" being in it -- on the other hand, I think "Down And Out In Beverly Hills" might have been where I first heard "Once In a Lifetime."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:01 (five years ago) Permalink

there were 50,000 made i recall Byrne saying in that '84 Letterman interview, so like a mass market 'limited edition'.

it was also replicated on CD for the Japanese issue of the '06 remasters apparently.

piscesx, Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:03 (five years ago) Permalink

we had the whole debate about how on earth TMBTP has become so ubiquitous on this thread
Talking Heads

at some length.

piscesx, Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:08 (five years ago) Permalink

Burning Down THe House and TMBTP are like the two worst tracks on here. I'm torn between the others though - love it when TH go a bit reggae on Pull Up The Roots and I Get Wild Wild Gravity.

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:13 (five years ago) Permalink

"Burning Down The House" now playing in the coffeeshop where I sit, I stand by my judgment

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:14 (five years ago) Permalink

2. Making Flippy Floppy
3. Girlfriend Is Better
4. Slippery People
5. I Get Wild/Wild Gravity
6. Swamp
8. Pull Up the Roots

Arrrgh - it's impossible, I love all these songs!!!

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Went for Pull Up The Roots cos it prob won't get enough appreciation. It's got that slightly spooky vibe they nailed on The Great Curve

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Thursday, 4 April 2013 15:17 (five years ago) Permalink

This album is incredible. Trusted my first instinct and went with "Slippery People".

cwkiii, Thursday, 4 April 2013 16:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Burning Down THe House Moon Rocks and TMBTP are like the two worst tracks on here.

cwkiii, Thursday, 4 April 2013 16:11 (five years ago) Permalink

bypassing tmbtp (which is my fave but not by as huge a margin as it might win by here or has won by elsewhere) voted for 'slippery people' purely for the stop making sense version. tbh i have no idea the last time i listened to this album, if i'm ever in the mood for this era i always go right for stop making sense.

balls, Thursday, 4 April 2013 16:18 (five years ago) Permalink

i kinda hope we someday do a tracks poll of Talking Heads/associate acts, if only because "Genius of Love" has a fighting chance of being #1

the drummer for gay Daddy Yankee (some dude), Thursday, 4 April 2013 16:20 (five years ago) Permalink

mm no question.

piscesx, Thursday, 4 April 2013 16:28 (five years ago) Permalink

I've never heard "This Must Be the Place" outside of this record. Voted "Girlfriend".

The Reverend, Thursday, 4 April 2013 18:34 (five years ago) Permalink

it's one of the talking heads songs i hear on oldies radio, along w/ (in rough order of frequency) 'burning down the house', 'psycho killer', 'take me to the river', 'and she was', 'once in a lifetime', 'life during wartime', and (good lord why) 'wild wild life'. i used to hear 'nothing but flowers', 'girlfriend is better', and 'stay up late' also on this aaa station but it went talk radio last fall. slot tmbtp before 'life during wartime'.

balls, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:14 (five years ago) Permalink

During their nineties exile I heard Take Me to the River and the eighties singles (And She Was, Wild wild Life) most.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:17 (five years ago) Permalink

i can't imagine ever hearing "This Must" on any radio station as much as "Life During Wartime." or, for that matter, "Stay Up Late."

the drummer for gay Daddy Yankee (some dude), Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:21 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah tbh i probably hear 'life during wartime' more esp since i hear both fom and sms versions.

balls, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:25 (five years ago) Permalink

in a weird way this album is worse than Remain in Light while on the whole having better songs

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

can you explain?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:32 (five years ago) Permalink

i can sorta weirdly buy that argument, thing the more 'proper songs' aspect of speaking in tongues is part of why it's a worse album (trend only even more accelerated w/ following albums, though nostalgia and howard finster probably makes me fonder of little creatures than speaking in tongues).

balls, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:36 (five years ago) Permalink

think rather than thing

balls, Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:36 (five years ago) Permalink

the loss of Eno is really felt in the generally flatter/thinner production, but Byrne compensates by demonstrating a more developed mastery of conventional song structures and well-deployed vocal melodies. A majority of the songs on SiT have more memorable choruses and sing-along-able call and response bits than those on RiL, but RiL on the whole SOUNDS better.

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 April 2013 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

This is about the only record in my collection where my favourite song is aligned w/ the most popular. TMBTP is just a really fucking great song in any context. My Rauschenberg vinyl is maybe the most annoying record in my collection. Admittedly it was a little beat up when I found it but I can never get it to resemble the thing of beauty I want it to.

Oblique Strategies, Thursday, 4 April 2013 20:22 (five years ago) Permalink

In the continuing Great-American-Songbook-ization of "This Must Be the Place," husband-and-wife cabaret stars John Pizzarelli & Jessica Molaskey's recent show opens with a duet/medley of "TMBTP" and the Beatles' "Two of Us."

Hideous Lump, Friday, 5 April 2013 02:58 (five years ago) Permalink

I voted 'slippery people,' but pretty much love 91% of this album.

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 5 April 2013 11:03 (five years ago) Permalink

Was never a huge fan of this band but I can never turn off "Burning Down The House" when it comes on. One of the most aggressively weird-sounding singles of its time.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Friday, 5 April 2013 11:22 (five years ago) Permalink

i still can't stop imagining Tom Jones when I hear that song, hence why I just can't parse it.

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Friday, 5 April 2013 11:26 (five years ago) Permalink

In the continuing Great-American-Songbook-ization of "This Must Be the Place," husband-and-wife cabaret stars John Pizzarelli & Jessica Molaskey's recent show opens with a duet/medley of "TMBTP" and the Beatles' "Two of Us."

Wait when did this happen? Were you there to see it? Really like their Jon Hendricks/Sondheim medley, "Cloudburst/Getting Married Today"

What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 April 2013 11:39 (five years ago) Permalink

this album does have a heavy pop sound, really like it.

Bee OK, Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:22 (five years ago) Permalink

i did a show a while back where one of our opening bands busted out "This Must Be The Place," their cover was pretty good so i couldn't really be like UGH WHAT A CLICHE. also, the song was on my own damn wedding playlist so i can't really knock it as an alt wedding staple.

the drummer for gay Daddy Yankee (some dude), Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:27 (five years ago) Permalink

I've never been to an alt.wedding.

The Reverend, Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:33 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't think i have really, either, mine was pretty trad and square aside from parts of my playlist

the drummer for gay Daddy Yankee (some dude), Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:34 (five years ago) Permalink

its weird that the SMS versions of all of these are all better

SMS is horrible, wtf is with these defenders of those awful overdubbed drums & etc. I vastly prefer the dry, meticulous Eno-less sound of the studio versions.

the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Saturday, 6 April 2013 03:35 (five years ago) Permalink

sorry

turds (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 6 April 2013 03:48 (five years ago) Permalink

ha, no problem. I also have personal beef w/that record cause there was a point in the 90's where every baby boomer I knew thought that rec was like the coolest thing ever, and they also liked Sting, so there's some guilt by association there.

the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:12 (five years ago) Permalink

90s boomers otm

The Reverend, Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:18 (five years ago) Permalink

In the continuing Great-American-Songbook-ization of "This Must Be the Place," husband-and-wife cabaret stars John Pizzarelli & Jessica Molaskey's recent show opens with a duet/medley of "TMBTP" and the Beatles' "Two of Us."

Wait when did this happen? Were you there to see it? Really like their Jon Hendricks/Sondheim medley, "Cloudburst/Getting Married Today"

In fact, they used the "Cloudburst/Getting Married Today" alternating-verses template for this medley too--Jessica's "This Must Be the Place" alternating with John's "Two of Us."

I saw them last fall in South Orange, NJ; Mom (a total Pizzarelli fangirl) and Dad had an extra ticket. I enjoyed the set more than I expected because it wasn't all standards; they did a lot of singer-songwriter material--Paul Simon ("Hearts and Bones"), Joni Mitchell (John: "Free Man in Paris", Jessica: "The Circle Game"), Billy Joel ("Rosalinda's Eyes")--alongside the Sondheim and Jobim.

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 6 April 2013 07:41 (five years ago) Permalink

if you listen to the Saratoga bootleg from the same tour, it has to be said that the band really did sound a lot like the movie and the overdubs are pretty minimal; more for added beef and rectifying mistakes than owt else. they were tight as fuck.

piscesx, Saturday, 6 April 2013 08:32 (five years ago) Permalink

the live versions get me so pumpde and stoked. the studio versions are sedate and sound like buttholes that were made by sleepy people in a gross basement, but not in a cool way. i dont know what the words overdubbed, dry, meticulous, eno and studio mean

turds (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 6 April 2013 08:49 (five years ago) Permalink

classic ade

The Reverend, Saturday, 6 April 2013 08:57 (five years ago) Permalink

u guys are 2 of my faves but I cannot get with you on this one. SMS is where the cracks appear, it's their New Jersey. gimme the bootlegs any day. I saw the tour and they were amazing, yes, but I don't think the record captures anything except Byrne's perfectionism. I'd be curious to know what the band members think about it in hindsight. maybe I should check out the movie, it might warm my cold dead heart.

the world's most impertinent web designer (sleeve), Saturday, 6 April 2013 16:25 (five years ago) Permalink

ok if you haven't seen the movie, do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to youtube

The Reverend, Saturday, 6 April 2013 18:52 (five years ago) Permalink

No! Get the dvd, see it properly. Build your own cinema even.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 6 April 2013 18:59 (five years ago) Permalink

"I Get Wild" needs more luv

Clarke B., Saturday, 6 April 2013 23:43 (five years ago) Permalink

love this album, prefer it to the SMS soundtrack (which is great, don't get me wrong). see little creatures and the true stories soundtrack as the NJ-style cracking point, though i have a lot of fondness for the former.

anyway, "burning down the house" for nostalgic reasons as much as anything else. was the first pop song i really tried to figure out, hunched over the tape deck with my finger on the rewind button, playing lines over and over again so i could transcribe them. didn't make much more sense after i was done.

contenderizer, Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:24 (five years ago) Permalink

voted for "moon rocks" because it's not reproduced on SMS and it's about eating moon rocks

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 7 April 2013 20:05 (five years ago) Permalink

"my tummy starts to talk"

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 7 April 2013 20:06 (five years ago) Permalink

swamp a close contender for evil cab calloway and for ALL THAT BLOOD... WILL NEVER COVER THAT MESS

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 7 April 2013 20:08 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, swamp is great. great, funky-ass synth work, which i mostly attribute to worrell (perhaps unfairly).

contenderizer, Sunday, 7 April 2013 20:17 (five years ago) Permalink

great/great

contenderizer, Sunday, 7 April 2013 20:17 (five years ago) Permalink

"I Get Wild" needs more luv

It's amazing

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Sunday, 7 April 2013 20:18 (five years ago) Permalink

See this album has everything - reggae, jump blues, funk, big pop numbers - songwriting-wise I'd say their most adventurous

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Sunday, 7 April 2013 20:22 (five years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 8 April 2013 00:01 (five years ago) Permalink

the loss of Eno is really felt in the generally flatter/thinner production, but Byrne compensates by demonstrating a more developed mastery of conventional song structures and well-deployed vocal melodies. A majority of the songs on SiT have more memorable choruses and sing-along-able call and response bits than those on RiL, but RiL on the whole SOUNDS better.

Well-put.

SMS is horrible, wtf is with these defenders of those awful overdubbed drums & etc. I vastly prefer the dry, meticulous Eno-less sound of the studio versions.

I don't dislike SMS but I've never understood the love for its version of "Once in a Lifetime" which loses a lot without the watery keyboard loop of the studio version.

love this album, prefer it to the SMS soundtrack (which is great, don't get me wrong). see little creatures and the true stories soundtrack as the NJ-style cracking point, though i have a lot of fondness for the former.

This is spot on -- so is Xgau on both:

Speaking in Tongues [Sire, 1983]
With Eno departed, the polyrhythms no longer seem so portentous--this funk is quirkily comfortable, like the Byrne-produced B-52's or the three-piece of Byrne's earlier primitivist period. Unfortunately, the polyrhythms no longer seem so meaningful, either. Though God knows there's no rock and roll rule that says playfulness can't signify all by itself, the disjoint opacity of the lyrics fails to conceal Byrne's confusion about what it all means. Yet side two lights me up nevertheless, sandwiching the purest anticapitalist song he's ever written and the purest prolove song he's ever written around two pieces of typically ironic-optimistic futurism. A-

Stop Making Sense [Sire, 1984]
Always skeptical of live albums, I note that this is their second in a four-year period that has netted only one studio job while establishing them as a world-class live band. Number one was a useful overview; number two is a soundtrack, albeit for the finest concert film I've ever seen, that repeats three songs from the overview and four from the studio job. Buy the video. B+

Upon rapid reflection, "Slippery People" for me, tho "Making Flippy Floppy" made it a race.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 8 April 2013 00:31 (five years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:01 (five years ago) Permalink

good christ

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:03 (five years ago) Permalink

Weak saice

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:13 (five years ago) Permalink

Or sauce even.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 00:13 (five years ago) Permalink

go Pull Up The Roots! best TH 'deep cut' ever.

piscesx, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 01:17 (five years ago) Permalink

no that would be "Creatures of Love" or "The Good Thing."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 01:20 (five years ago) Permalink

otm

Bee OK, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 01:32 (five years ago) Permalink

wow, that is a lot of votes. every song got a vote, yeah!

Bee OK, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 01:33 (five years ago) Permalink

"Swamp" is in Risky Business, which is also a lyric in the song, and I've always wondered about that.

cougars and sneezers (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 02:06 (five years ago) Permalink

this must be the landslide

― some dude, Wednesday, April 3, 2013 10:14 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some dude, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 02:14 (five years ago) Permalink

fuck, pull up the roots is fun. it's like byrne fronting tom tom club.

life is good (Hunt3r), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:53 (five years ago) Permalink

I got asked to play "This Must Be the Place" at a party the other night. I'm quite sure it wouldn't have happened if not for this thread, you know.

sandra dayo connor (The Reverend), Friday, 12 April 2013 21:23 (five years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

I've always loved 'Moon Rocks.' It's elfin' great. Can't believe it fell behind 'Swamp.'

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 12 April 2018 01:18 (six months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JFAA5dEup0

Early version of "The Lady Don't Mind" recorded during the SiT sessions.

Hideous Lump, Thursday, 12 April 2018 03:05 (six months ago) Permalink

Pull up the roots is my fave

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Thursday, 12 April 2018 04:27 (six months ago) Permalink

^ my people

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Thursday, 12 April 2018 07:41 (six months ago) Permalink

moon rocks has grown on me a bit. music-wise it sounds most like tom tom club

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Thursday, 12 April 2018 07:42 (six months ago) Permalink

Goddamn this album is incredible

Also, Pull Up The Roots

Davey D, Friday, 13 April 2018 02:21 (six months ago) Permalink

"I Get Wild" needs more luv

It's amazing

― pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:18 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^this

that's not my post, Friday, 13 April 2018 03:13 (six months ago) Permalink


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