Tears for Fears: C or D?

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Awful hair, super-gated 80s drum sounds, over-emoting vocals - what's not to love? Were they just new wave hippies? What was all that shouting about?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 October 2002 16:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know what they were shouting about, but it was certainly CLASSIC.

Search: "Mad World", "Shout", "Everybody Wants To Rule The World", "Mothers Talk", "Sowing The Seeds Of Love", "Shout", "Head Over Heels", "Shout" and especially "SHOUT".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yes but Destroy the following on your way:

'Advice For The Young At Heart'
'Woman In chains'
'Laid So Low (Tears Roll Down)'
'Elemental (Album)'


'Sowing The Seeds Of Love's is great tho, i think the way the song has three stages and the way they are sequenced is utterly superb...i mean the bit where the brass comes in taking over from the existent verse/chorus sequence...AND THEN that amazing 'Lucy In The Sky...' style rip off towards the end - supoib, tho you could just listen to 'Sgt Peppers' i suppose

blueski, Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Last New Wave Band. Classic beyond words.

Matt C., Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I can't for the life of me figure out what people like about these guys. "Shout" has to be one of the worst songs I've ever heard. Dud!!

Manny Parsons (Rahul Kamath), Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Blueski, there was definitely a time when I would agree with your destroy list. I think I've mellowed since high school, though; in fact, I'm downloading "Woman In Chains" right now to see if I still hate it.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well, part of the reason I brought this up is connected with that "manufactured pop = apex of culture" thread - because Tears for Fears have always been resoundingly pop in my mind: they had hits (even a bit of teenybopper status), they were catchy, they were self-consciously produced with the the "finest" technology of the time, they were big label, big hair, big everything. At the same time, they constructed their songs in a very Beatle-esque pop idiom and a lot of their lyrics are angst-ridden, rather dark, definitely morose. Maybe they were going for an overarching adolescent tragedy theme. At any rate - stuff like this seems to have completely fallen off the "pop" radar (at least in America). They make me long for a time when genuinely weird (or at least more idiosyncratic and ambiguous) songs could easily be seen as having a wide market appeal, and fell into a larger context of pop history. I mean, it isn't hard to draw a line from Cole Porter to the Beatles to Tears for Fears, but it seems much harder to extend that line to, say, N'Sync. What can I say, I'm a rockist I guess... anyway, Songs from the Big Chair is a great record.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic, classic, a thousand times classic. "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" is part of the soundtrack of my daily life.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

2 words: Pale Shelter


the hurting is CLASSIC

geeg, Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:35 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I was going to say complete Dud, but yeah, "Pale Shelter" is actually pretty good.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

SEARCH: THE HURTING

DESTROY: Everything after SONGS FROM THE BIG CHAIR

Not sure about that 'last New Wave' bad claim.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 October 2002 19:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

classic!!!!
Search: Thier videos. The best video ever made is thier video for Change (the second is David Bowie's Blue Jean)

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 3 October 2002 19:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic, but I only have the first three albums, so I'm not sure how bad they flamed out in the 1990s.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 3 October 2002 20:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

A couple of songs off Elemental are good, but there's a lot of garbage as well. I will defend "Laid So Low" though - it's got the nice vibe of some of the SFTBC stuff but moves faster. Overall, they've certainly had enough high points that I can call them classic.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 3 October 2002 20:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They make me long for a time when genuinely weird (or at least more idiosyncratic and ambiguous) songs could easily be seen as having a wide market appeal, and fell into a larger context of pop history.
Shakey is totally OTM. But I never really listened to much after Songs From The Big Chair. Curt Smith was a stong force in the group, it seemed to go slowly downhill after he left.

brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 3 October 2002 21:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

after my 13th birthday (1985) i was going to buy my first LP. i went to the local musicstore with a friend, and after a while i held songs from the big chair in my hand and a copy of (whywhywhy) rhythm of the night by debarge...
my friend said: you're going to buy the tears for fears album, i know it. and just to make a point of making my own decision i chose the other one... fool...

willem (willem), Thursday, 3 October 2002 21:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Pale shelter. Yes!

Woman in Chains. No!

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 09:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

A friend of mine has a compilation of Tears For Fears extended mixes and when he played it in the care it sounded utterly brilliant - like ZTT meets Ultramarine.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 4 October 2002 12:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I mostly can't stand this kind of 80's stuff with wimpy sounding vocals. And I am a "sensitive," not entirely stereotypical, (i.e., wimpy) guy. I heard some Tears for Fears recently after not having heard them for a while and I found myself wondering why I ever had any doubts about them being bad.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 4 October 2002 12:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've always thought they were a bit meh, but then I watched Donnie Darko and IT ALL MADE SENSE! Now I think they're classic.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 4 October 2002 12:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Urban Mix (Long Edit) of "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" highlights the quintessential pain of the 80s remix in the best possible manner outside of the extended mix of the Bangles' "Hazy Shade Of Winter".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 13:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Donnie Darko was my epiphany (& SEARCHSEARCHSEARCH the Gary Jules cover of "Mad World"!!!) - I only know "Shout" & "Everybody Wants To Rule The World", but if I get back to Dunedin in the next few months there's a really cheap copy of Tears Roll Down that shouldn't be going anywhere.

Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 4 October 2002 13:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Had that Millennium Edition compilation in my hand the other day for $8 or something, but it doesn't have "Mad World" on it! Nuts to that.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 4 October 2002 15:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
Dan did you decide you still hate "Woman In Chains"? I do hope so.

I just bought a v.cheap compilation in Fopp - they weren't very good is my expert opinion. "Pale Shelter" is pretty smart though. Spandau Ballet did it all with much more panache.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ack! Spandau Ballet?

My wife was *B L A S T I N G* Spandau Ballet all day yesterday (courtesy of the GOLD best-of,.....god help us).

TFF-wise again, yes...."Woman in Chains" is gawdawful. But there's simply no arguing with "Change," "Pale Shelter" and "Mad World." Hell, I still love "Shout" and "Head over Heels" as well.

Spandau Ballet, though? There is a special circle in Hell reserved for me where that is all they play.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

TFF were the first band I ever saw, around the time "The hurting" came out. I was 14, so it seemed like a life-changing experience even though I was aware even then that they were going through the motions to some extent. I do like quite a lot of the first two LPs.

I don't really see what Spandau Ballet have got to do with it, Tom.

Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

can't we show more love for 'Sowing The Seeds Of Love'?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Both TFF and SB started off doing brittle dark synthesised pop and then got more and more soulful as their careers went on.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And they both had vocalists who were perhaps a bit too prone to giving it some welly.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There is nothing wrong with "Woman in Chains" if you think of it in the correct way: as a house track with no beats. That way, you get to admire the stately buildup, the development of the first and second movements, and then the eruption of that "And I feel" followed/mirrored by the "So Free Her" after-chorus. But if you have to have beats in your house music, then god help ya sons and daughters. And you have to love the sentiment of the song if not the way it's executed...UNLIKE anything Spandau Ballet ever "did."

And "Sowing the Seeds" is quite perfect, for what it is, which is the best Beatles homage that XTC was too anal to ever truly accomplish. Partridge actually did a fair amount of mentoring for Roland and Curt--I bet he was pissed off when they outdid him on this one.

My crackpot theory: Tears for Fears was not a very original band at all, but every time they took on a challenge they met it. I am at work now so I can't spend time defending this theory. Maybe I'll start a blog or something.

My son's favorite song these days is "Everybody Wants to Rule the World," which he was singing while sitting on the toilet this morning. (He's four, so it's still cute.) At least he wasn't singing his second fave: "Shout, shout, let it all out..."

Neudonymz, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"can't we show more love for 'Sowing The Seeds Of Love'?"

Always thought it sounded too much like Elton John slaughtering "I Am the Walrus."

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I must say I'd never really thought of SB and TFF coming from the same place at all - SB were always a bunch of new romantic poseurs, TFF started out as an (overly) earnest John Peel band.

Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Agreed. TFF had too much stylized angst....all that primal scream therapy business, let's remember. Spandau Ballet were, by contrast, a bunch of martini swiggin' party boys with exceptionally dubious fashion sense.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Too much stylized angst"? There's no such thing!

Neudonym, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, SB started out as an overly earnest The Face band. My perspective is as a 7/8 year old who linked them when they were in the charts and a late-20something who links them now on purchase of cheapo G Hits albums.

Early SB is full of angst!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"To Cut a Long Story Short" sure isn't happy fun time stuff. (I was listening to Gold for a bit yesterday myself...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What'd y'all think of that "Mad World" cover at the end of Donnie Darko? Who is that artist?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Early SB is that "let's spend our honeymoon in East Berlin" angst. Early TFF had their psychotherapy schtick. Equally pretentious, of course, but in different ways. SB's was more of a club thing, a fashion thing.

Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The thing is that to me, explanations of origins aside, it still sounds and (nebulosity alert) 'feels' quite similar. I think the soul-trajectory thing is quite similar too.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I agree with Tag.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sowing ther Seeds of Love was a wondrous record, absolutely faultless.
In fact, the whole Seeds of Love album, bar the cripplingly bad artwork, was a masterpiece. I can't believe people are pulling apart Woman in Chains?! Year of the Knife is great, too.
The Hurting was a perfect pop album... Change and Mad World - lovely.
Songs from the Big Chair wasa bit too commercial, I thought ~(and had another shockingly awful sleeve)... but there's no doubting the power of the songwriting.

Great news is that Roland and Curt are now back together recording a new Tears for Fears album. And about time, too.

russ t, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Every song by Radio 4 sounds like a punk cover of a different Tears for Fears song. FWIW.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 17:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My download of "Woman In Chains" never completed. I think this was a sign.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I guess TFF did Ford Mondeo soul and SP did wine bar soul - both equally ersatz. But TFF did at least have a nice line of three or four fine pop singles before they discovered "production values" and Roland Orzabal's hideous self-importance - Suffer the children, Pale Shelter, Mad World and Change. "Everybody wants to rule the world" stands up well too. I imagine Robert Elms liked Spandau.

Tag, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yes - SB were always aspirational Norf Lahndan soulboy geezers - even when they were wearing kilts. It's just that at the beginning there was a lot more Bowie to their soul (the name could be the title of an instrumental on 'Low'), and by the end there was a lot more Capital Radio. I think the initial Blitz kid pose was very opportunistic on the part of Kemp, M, Steve Dagger and Robert Elms (incidentally, search for great footage of Elms reading out one of his pomes before SB played their gig at the Scala). The career of the Spands is essentially the trajectory of the (Steve Norman) wedge haircut - from signifying mid-70s icy, moderne sophistication to representing Essex casual Farah's and loafers style.


TfF, on the other hand started out as repressed middle-class Montessori school weirdos - ten years earlier they woulda been into Genesis... the first two lps really define 80s progpop (see also Blancmange, Kershaw, Jones). They got into "soul" in the same way someone like Peter Gabriel did - as though they at last had found their "true voice" and got a bit less uptight, but more pompous (and less fun).

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Their songs have ended two great movies on the perfect note... the aforementioned "Mad World" in Donnie Darko (which also has a great "Head Over Heels" sequence) and "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" in Real Genius.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Spandau's "Musclebound" is one of the weirdest records of the record: it makes me think of *Oswald Mosley*, for God's sake. I still think Paul Morley nailed them right back in '81, though (he set them up as a sort of new Suzi Quatro up against the Associates' Bowie, if memory serves).

I had a wonderful emotional experience with an unintentional soundtrack of "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" late last year, which makes it hard for me to discuss the song objectively. I've always thought it was TFF's best moment.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

God, what am I writing? "weirdest records of the decade", of course.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

classic. Though there's enough weak stuff on the greatest hits album that I don't feel like digging any deeper than there.

I do sooo love "Head Over Heels," "Shout," "Everybody Wants To..."

"Sowing The Seeds Of Love" rocked my world as much as any other cassingle. My mom wouldn't let me by the album cuz she looked at the song listing and noticed "Woman In Chains" "Bad Man's Song" and the songs about Knives and assumed they were metal or something, or at least violent and mysoginist.

They were pompous assholes though. I never liked "Change" but after I saw the video on VH1 Classic I turned around. Orzabal looked so cute dancing around with those kabuki people.

Relatively smart new wavers=classic, definitely

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Phhhhff......!!!!!! Jerry - Blancmange.... PROGPOP?

Oh please......labels labels labels. Boring boring boring.

Blancmange were a brilliant, witty, much underrated band who should've been a whole lot bigger than they ever were.

Progpop? I smile as I type it, even......

russ t, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 12:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and the dream academy were in the middle of making their album when they heard the title track to this album and they went "argh! maybe if we add dolphin noises and poly styrene to our john lennon cover everything will be okay..."

scott seward, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:23 (two years ago) Permalink

the blue nile were so devastated by this record they didn't record again for 7 years.

scott seward, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:27 (two years ago) Permalink

sorry *THE SEEDS OF LOVE*. not sowing the seeds of love.

scott seward, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:28 (two years ago) Permalink

blue nile >>>>>> tears for fears imo

Rave Van Donk (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:29 (two years ago) Permalink

Dream Academy have worn me down over the years to the point where I now either enjoy or tolerate all of their songs. I know that's faint praise, but it's something.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:55 (two years ago) Permalink

'Street Fighting Years' was the Minds' 'Satanic Majesties Request' to TFF's 'Sgt. Pepper'

PaulTMA, Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:18 (two years ago) Permalink

"Street Fighting Years" was the Minds "Cant Stop the Music" to TFF's "Flash Gordon".

everything, Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:27 (two years ago) Permalink

those Talk Talk kids didn't seem to be too bothered by "seeds of love".

rushomancy, Friday, 17 July 2015 00:39 (two years ago) Permalink

God, I fucking love The Seeds of Love. I listen to it far more than The Hurting and even Songs From The Big Chair these days. I'd love for them to put out a box set for The Seeds of Love, there must be so much fucking outtake material out there somewhere.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 18 July 2015 22:15 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Then Play Long reaches the difficult third album: http://nobilliards.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/tears-for-fears-seeds-of-love.html

agincourtgirl, Sunday, 30 August 2015 18:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, obviously I disagree. I personally don't find this to be an "irritatingly unsatisfactory" record at all, and while the production is completely rammed with detail, I still wouldn't call the sound "oxygen starved" ... 'Advice For The Young At Heart' is a wonderful song with production to match, IMO, and side 2 is wonderful when it clicks. It's not Songs From The Big Chair part 2, but that's a good thing.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Sunday, 30 August 2015 18:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Love is a promise
Love is a souvenir

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 00:18 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Correct number one.

Austin, Sunday, 11 June 2017 03:53 (four months ago) Permalink

I'd swap out "break it down again" with "badman's song" and shuffle a few towards the end, but mostly otm

just another (diamonddave85), Sunday, 11 June 2017 03:59 (four months ago) Permalink

"The Working Hour" is majestic.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Sunday, 11 June 2017 05:00 (four months ago) Permalink

tears for fears deliver on the bombastic promise of simple minds at their worst and most anthemic

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 11 June 2017 05:29 (four months ago) Permalink

it's hard to be a man when there's a gun in your hand

mookieproof, Sunday, 11 June 2017 07:29 (four months ago) Permalink

tears for fears deliver on the bombastic promise of simple minds at their worst and most anthemic

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, June 11, 2017

otm

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 June 2017 11:05 (four months ago) Permalink

I've said it before, but Tears For Fears may be the only band in the world influenced by '80 Genesis​, bless 'em.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 June 2017 13:51 (four months ago) Permalink

no quibbles with that list. excellent

akm, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:13 (four months ago) Permalink

Was hoping this would be news about the loooong promised new album. Feel like these guys have at least one more great album left in them - the last one had a few excellent moments

Vinnie, Monday, 12 June 2017 03:23 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't hear '80s Genesis in TFF.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 12 June 2017 06:29 (four months ago) Permalink

The drums, guitars and synths alone on "Songs from the Big Chair" are totally '80s Genesis, especially a song like "Broken;" Manny Elias definitely had Phil Collins on the mind. The songwriting is much better than '80s Genesis, though, which (go figure) makes a big difference!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 12 June 2017 12:23 (four months ago) Permalink

The songwriting is much better than '80s Genesis

Interesting argument but I can't fully agree with it. Big Chair was a solid album but the albums after were fairly spotty. Although I guess one could say the same of the solid Duke and the spottier records that followed from Genesis. But Genesis seemed to understand the value of concision in their pop songs far more than TFF. The tracks on Seeds Of Love in particular run overly long and would've benefited from an editor's knife.

doug watson, Monday, 12 June 2017 13:56 (four months ago) Permalink

welll, it WAS the year of the knife

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 June 2017 14:10 (four months ago) Permalink

The Hurting is generally brilliant with a few patchy parts. Songs from the Big Chair is near perfection. Can't get on with most of seeds of love at all though. Badman's Song sounds like every negative cliche of bad 80s production that usually isn't true, but here is 100% accurate.

jamiesummerz, Monday, 12 June 2017 14:10 (four months ago) Permalink

I need "I Believe" and none of the 90s stuff, but sounds about right.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 12 June 2017 14:22 (four months ago) Permalink

honestly when I say Tears for Fears I pretty much only mean big chair, which is one of my favorite albums.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 12 June 2017 15:05 (four months ago) Permalink

I'd be happy if they just released a 10" of covers every 6 months.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 12 June 2017 15:51 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

New single coming soon!

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Elemental is such a jam

MaresNest, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:16 (one week ago) Permalink

^ that album's great. first CD I ever bought :)

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:27 (one week ago) Permalink

New album coming soon called The Tipping Point, apparently. New single is called 'I Love You But I'm Lost'

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:28 (one week ago) Permalink

hmm, same title as a great sharon van etten track

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:33 (one week ago) Permalink

'My Demons', 'End of Night' and 'Up Above the World' are other tracks apparently confirmed to be on there - the general vibe of the record has been described as "clubby"

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:34 (one week ago) Permalink

(x-post)

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Elemental is such a jam

― MaresNest, Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:16 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The two Curtless TFF albums tend to get swept under the carpet for some reason - there's some great material on both.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:36 (one week ago) Permalink

DOG'S A BEST FRIEND'S DOG

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Raoul and the Kings of Spain in particular came out to very little fanfare other than from the TFF hardcore. Everyone else ignored it.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm not much into the Orzabal solo record, though.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:54 (one week ago) Permalink

As for co-headlining with Hall & Oates, c'mon guys, stop being so hard on yourselves - you're better than that.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:55 (one week ago) Permalink

The money pays the bills, I'm sure.

"Elemental" is my least favorite album of theirs - "Break It Down Again" really rankled me at the time, it felt like dumbed-down TFF aiming for the charts. It worked, I guess. It's not a *bad* album - I do love the title track and the closer, "Goodnight Song" - but it's the last one I'd reach for to put on.

"Raoul And The Kings Of Spain" is really strong, though. I saw that tour and Roland was in fine form, covering Radiohead's "Creep" and being a big he-man goof on stage.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:17 (one week ago) Permalink

isn't Elemental a solo album for all intents and purposes?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:15 (one week ago) Permalink

I suppose it is. His proper solo album, "Tomcats Screaming Outside", has its charms as an example of "artist tries different style and fails in an enjoyable way".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, Orzabal's work under his own name was different to the TFF stuff.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:45 (one week ago) Permalink

^ that album's great. first CD I ever bought :)

First album I ever bought too (tho cassette)! Over the years, I went from really liking it, to hating it, to liking it again

Vinnie, Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:05 (six days ago) Permalink

i heard curt smith's second solo album. it had one good song on it. any good songs on either of his other two?

bob lefse (rushomancy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:07 (six days ago) Permalink

Had them, sold them. So - no.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:45 (six days ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Smith's solo stuff either, even though I've always preferred his voice to Orzabal's.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 12 October 2017 17:19 (six days ago) Permalink


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