In the past 15 years, who has released a better pair of consecutive, full-length studio albums than Modest Mouse's The Lonesome Crowded West -> The Moon & Antarctica?

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For me, the answer may be no one. But chances are you disagree, so let's hear 'em.

alpine static, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 17:50 (six years ago) link

I can't imagine that anyone will disagree with that.

Coke Opus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 17:53 (six years ago) link

Alligator -> Boxer
Hope For Men -> King Of Jeans
Deep Cuts -> Silent Shout

for a start

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 17:53 (six years ago) link

Of indie albums released in 97 and 2000 i would say Sea and Cake- The Fawn and Oui.

are we sure that's a square root sign and not half a swastika (mizzell), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 17:54 (six years ago) link

DAMN THIS THREAD REALLY GETS MY JUICES FLOWIN *BOOKMARKS*

Gunoka Cuntles (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 17:55 (six years ago) link

you didn't have to click

alpine static, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:00 (six years ago) link

Summerteeth -> Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

MarkoP, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:03 (six years ago) link

if they had gone Being There -> Yankee I would agree, but i can't get with Summerteeth's production

alpine static, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:04 (six years ago) link

lots of people, because the moon and antarctica sucks

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:05 (six years ago) link

incorrect

alpine static, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:18 (six years ago) link

The Drift-> Bish Bosch
New Amerykah Pt 1-> New Amerykah Pt 2

are some good ones. I haven't heard the modest mouse albums tho

dat neggy nilmar (wins), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:23 (six years ago) link

The last two Sleater-Kinneys

Vol. 3: The Life & Times of E. "Boom" Carter (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:25 (six years ago) link

Kill the moonlight - gimme fiction

If I'm being a corny indie fuXxor.

Caribou. The Field. Patrick Wolf. Fuck loads of people.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:27 (six years ago) link

15 years? LOOOL. Too many to count.

sleeve, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:31 (six years ago) link

Mass Romantic > Electric Version

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

i don't like Modest Mouse but there are many other bands from 1997 who released a "pair of consecutive, full-length studio albums"

nostormo, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

pretty much anyone

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

top of my head:

chocolate factory -> happy people/u saved me
now -> blacksummer'snight
end hits -> the argument
press play -> last train to paris
infinity on high -> folie a deux
the world has made me the man of my dreams -> devil's halo
diamond eyes -> koi no yokan
clarity -> bleed american
fearless -> speak now

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:45 (six years ago) link

actually 15 years is a lot longer than i think, that first one should be tp-2.com -> chocolate factory -> happy people/u saved me -> fuck modest mouse

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:47 (six years ago) link

tragically squandered first response hof opp itt

buzza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:50 (six years ago) link

brad nelson otm

Dark Thrones and Black Flags -> Circle the Wagons

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 18:58 (six years ago) link

I'd say Fantasma and Point by Cornelius fit that same time frame

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:07 (six years ago) link

the 'lol how about like EVERYONE' responders are really bringing something to this thread, so thank you for that.

the jimmy eat world suggestion was particularly entertaining, and that's coming from someone who would rather listen to 'lucky denver mint' than just about anything else much of the time.

alpine static, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:30 (six years ago) link

best FOUR ALBUM RUN of the 2000s (aka the Stevie Awards)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:31 (six years ago) link

i actually really like the moon and antarctica and i don't even like modest mouse. my fave thing by them is the one that isn't an actual modest mouse album. had another name. that's a good one.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:33 (six years ago) link

the jimmy eat world suggestion was particularly entertaining, and that's coming from someone who would rather listen to 'lucky denver mint' than just about anything else much of the time.

then you agree with me that those records are awesome

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:33 (six years ago) link

those sea & cake albums are good too. i actually own them on vinyl. and i own like 4 albums from the 90's.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link

the first 2 junior boys records

ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:36 (six years ago) link

there are like a zillion groups/artists that put out better albums over the last 15 years but if this is about twee bands i will nominate Lost Souls & The Last Broadcast. and the two Lansing-Dreiden albums. and the first two go-kart mozart albums.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:36 (six years ago) link

my fave thing by them is the one that isn't an actual modest mouse album. had another name. that's a good one

Ugly Casanova? If so, I still have that one! Though I'm not really sure why.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:37 (six years ago) link

i love those modest mouse records a lot though, definitely at least in my top 10 for this concept if not top 5

ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:37 (six years ago) link

boards of canada music has the right & geogaddi

ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:41 (six years ago) link

the jimmy eat world suggestion was particularly entertaining, and that's coming from someone who would rather listen to 'lucky denver mint' than just about anything else much of the time.

then you agree with me that those records are awesome

I think 'lucky denver mint' is awesome, that those two records are very good, but that they aren't even in the same league as the Modest Mouse records. but, y'know, opinions, etc.

alpine static, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:44 (six years ago) link

anyway that thread xhuxk linked to should answer your question

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:45 (six years ago) link

the 'lol how about like EVERYONE' responders are really bringing something to this thread, so thank you for that.

haha if I started a thread titled "I DARE anyone to come up with a tastier meal than chile con carne" I wouldn't get to be all "oh how very predictable" when vegetarians/ppl with different tastes started chiming in

dat neggy nilmar (wins), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:45 (six years ago) link

there are like a zillion groups/artists that put out better albums over the last 15 years but if this is about twee bands

― scott seward, Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:36 AM

this is not about twee bands. Modest Mouse is twee?

any kind of band/music/artist will do. gimme 10 of your zillion.

i love the Lansing-Dreiden album i have ... should pick up more stuff by them i guess.

alpine static, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:46 (six years ago) link

Barbara Morgenstern, Nichts Muss -> The Grass Is Always Greener

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:50 (six years ago) link

Sarah Dougher, The Walls Ablaze -> The Bluff

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:51 (six years ago) link

Owen Pallett, He Shits Clouds -> Heartland

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:52 (six years ago) link

I know it's not actually "shits" but I have a pathological hatred of the word "poo" esp. as a verb

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:53 (six years ago) link

Ugly Casanova?

that's the one!

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:54 (six years ago) link

Bill Dixon featuring Tony Oxley, Papyrus, Volume 1 -> Papyrus, Volume 2
M.I.A., Arular -> Kala
Green, Eau de Vie -> The Planets

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:55 (six years ago) link

"gimme 10 of your zillion."

well i gave you three. i'll come up with 7 more in a bit. yeah you know kinda twee. they wear sweaters and stuff probably.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:55 (six years ago) link

katatonia, discouraged ones -> tonight's decision / viva emptiness -> the great cold distance

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:58 (six years ago) link

there you go. that's 4. discouraged ones and tonight's decision. waaaaaay better than the two modest mouse albums. i haven't actually heard the lonesome crowded west but there is no way that it's as good as discouraged ones.

i'll come up with 6 more in a bit.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:02 (six years ago) link

10 of my zillion:

Legendary Pink Dots: pick any, but Poppy Variations -> Whispering Wall is esp. strong

The Ex: Dizzy Spells -> Turn

Nurse With Wound: An Awkward Pause -> Man With The Woman Face

Eyvind Kang: Visible Breath -> The Face Of The Earth

The Fall: Imperial Wax Solvent -> Your Future Our Clutter

Fugazi, as mentioned

Sonic Youth: take your pick

Muslimgauze: Azad -> Fakir Sind

United Bible Studies: The Shore That Fears The Sea -> The Jonah

Coil: Musick To Play In The Dark Vols. 1 & 2

sleeve, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:07 (six years ago) link

do not cosign on those katatonia records

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:13 (six years ago) link

discouraged ones might actually be my favorite album of the last 15 years.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:19 (six years ago) link

kate bush - aerial --> 50 words for snow

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:21 (six years ago) link

Mass Romantic > Electric Version

― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Electric Version -> Twin Cinema

― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Actually Mass Romantic > Electric Version > Twin Cinema > Challengers is a pretty un-fuck-withable four album run. For some bands, that's a whole career right there. Even Together has its heights.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 February 2013 13:57 (six years ago) link

The first time I became aware of the existence of a band called 'Modest Mouse' was probably the first time the inherent gentrified pointlessness of a lot of American indie really hit me. And STILL I'm not sure that most of the suggestions on this thread are actually right.

― Matt DC, Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:16 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I would agree about gentrified pointlessness for a lot of american indie going on now, but I fail to see how it would apply to an album like TLCW. Care to explain?

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 28 February 2013 21:00 (six years ago) link

ugh sorry, forgot the put the italics on.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 28 February 2013 21:00 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

Lonesome Crowded West still kicks after all these years, I just checked

#fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 7 November 2013 04:17 (six years ago) link

if you can't count:

Silent Shout -> Fever Ray

then my answer is :

Satanic Panic in the Attic -> The Sunlandic Twins -> Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer?

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 November 2013 04:32 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I don't know Modest Mouse, but...

Ys -> Have One on Me

timellison, Thursday, 21 November 2013 07:01 (six years ago) link

thread would be harder to argue with if it remembered/counted building nothing out of something

generic cutesy twee indie accusations not rly the right ones for this band i think; they're scuzzy and restless and bleak especially in the 90s, also pretty bluecollar iirc (songs mostly about working and drinking and cars breaking down). never listen to them anymore but if i put on LCW right now i know i wouldn't regret it

anyway brand new eyes --> paramore

Modest Mouse is just an awful band name.

I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 21 November 2013 10:05 (six years ago) link

generic cutesy twee indie accusations not rly the right ones for this band i think; they're scuzzy and restless and bleak especially in the 90s, also pretty bluecollar iirc (songs mostly about working and drinking and cars breaking down). never listen to them anymore but if i put on LCW right now i know i wouldn't regret it

anyway brand new eyes --> paramore

― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:28 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yah totally otm they are like real indie dead-end type vibe (or at least were)...i remember isaac showing up to some in-store in mpls and pissing off the store ppl cuz he was wasted and drinking beer in the store in the middle of their set and being an asshole

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 November 2013 16:36 (six years ago) link

overall i dunno it's weird i feel like between brits and their weird-ass definition of "indie" and all this nu-indie ipod commercial casio & glockenspiel kiddie shit the idea of what indie rock really was has gotten really twisted on ilm and elsehwere, not actually like i dunno a bunch of drunk shambly dudes rocking out to polvo and grifters and shit

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 November 2013 16:38 (six years ago) link

yea but there was always twee glockenspiel indie shit, right? i feel like there's a thread somewhere talking about this whole other indie universe that was not SST, black flag, butthole surfers, big black, etc but still was part of the underground. some alternate indie universe to azerrad's book. i might be thinking of something nitsuh abebe wrote, either on that thread or some column. at some point though "indie" become twee npr fleet foxes bon iver etc etc.

marcos, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:10 (six years ago) link

also i am kind of amazed this thread didn't get ripped apart and turn into some photo-bombing chaos in 5 posts? how did that not happen?

marcos, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:12 (six years ago) link

It seems like US twee indie had an undercurrent of creepy psychosexual edge that UK twee indie didn't but I'm prob just talking out of my ass.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:19 (six years ago) link

OTM people are using "indie" as synonymous with lame/meek/wishy-washy/twee. I feel like maybe indie used to signify a wide variety of "outside the mainstream" acts, with varying levels of aggression in their sound (Pavement, Jesus Lizard, Belle and Sebastian all as indie). Now I think it signifies the spectrum between B&S and Death Cab For Cutie.

I may be way off here, though, it's possible people always referred to Jesus Lizard as post-hardcore and not as an indie rock band.

intheblanks, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:22 (six years ago) link

Azzerad does kind of allude to this underground in the Beat Happening chapter, iirc.

intheblanks, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:23 (six years ago) link

xxxxpost on the last one

intheblanks, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:24 (six years ago) link

also i am kind of amazed this thread didn't get ripped apart and turn into some photo-bombing chaos in 5 posts? how did that not happen?

― marcos, Friday, November 22, 2013 9:12 AM (11 minutes ago)

haha welcome to nu-ILX

sleeve, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:24 (six years ago) link

I don't know really, just an idea, but is it possible that in recent years, as "indie" as a term has been increasingly muddled, coopted etc, the concept of (at least American) "post-punk" has been expanded to include at least the more noisy side of what would have been deemed "indie" 15 years ago? I.e. the stuff Azerrad covers, pigfuck, Amphetamine Reptile, even Pavement, Silkworm et. al?

Mule, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:48 (six years ago) link

I might be a bit too broad here, but still..

Mule, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:49 (six years ago) link

also i am kind of amazed this thread didn't get ripped apart and turn into some photo-bombing chaos in 5 posts? how did that not happen?

― marcos, Friday, November 22, 2013 9:12 AM (11 minutes ago)

haha welcome to nu-ILX

― sleeve, Friday, November 22, 2013 9:24 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pretty nu since this thread was started this february...

✓B (Matt P), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:54 (six years ago) link

well, it also seems like a lot of that "post-punk" stuff doesn't exist anymore? Or maybe I'm just unaware of it?

Where is the "Waiting Room" where is the "Kerosene," where is the "Mouth Breather" of today?

ruth rendell writing as (askance johnson), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:03 (six years ago) link

Well, not sure if I agree. I mean in the last few years you've had bands such as Pissed Jeans, Metz, Cloud Nothings, Parquet Courts, just to name a few. IMO, all these bands would have been "indie" in a late 80s/early 90s context.

Mule, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:10 (six years ago) link

You'll never hear "People Person" in an Apple commercial, that's for fucking sure.

Mule, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:12 (six years ago) link

Pissed Jeans are def carrying the Jesus Lizard torch

see "Rolling non-indie underground" threads

sleeve, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:13 (six years ago) link

Ha, well, most of those bands just sound like re-treads of 90s stuff to me (even if I like some of them), so I guess the problem is that I am lol old.

ruth rendell writing as (askance johnson), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

But a few years back you wouldn't have to call this "non-indie", right? "Indie" was what it was. Today this music is no longer considered "indie", which is pretty much what intheblanks says a few posts up, and I wonder if even the noiser indie-rock of the 80s and 90s have been retroctively labeled post-punk, or something else. Not saying this is a big problem, though, the indie-term has always been relatively impenetrable. However, that "indie" seems to be reserved exclusively for all this twee shit (not all shit, I guess) is somewhat annoying.

I assume this has been debated to death in a hundred threads, though.

Mule, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

Yeah, though the term "indie" was kind of ridiculously voluminous in the 90s, so maybe it's a good thing that it's gotten narrowed down some.

ruth rendell writing as (askance johnson), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:23 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I guess. Though the term still sort of signifies some "alternative" or "underground" element, which seems increasingly ridiculous considering the type of band presently being its figureheads..

Mule, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:28 (six years ago) link

overall i dunno it's weird i feel like between brits and their weird-ass definition of "indie" and all this nu-indie ipod commercial casio & glockenspiel kiddie shit the idea of what indie rock really was has gotten really twisted on ilm and elsehwere, not actually like i dunno a bunch of drunk shambly dudes rocking out to polvo and grifters and shit

― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

yeah when i got into indie, i was listening to the grifters/those bastard souls, loads of grim lo-fi K records stuff, GVSB, palace bros, etc. make up, nation of ulysses, feelies, early rem, w/e. my wife was more of an indie head than me, she was into a lot of the sarah records stuff and UK twee.

a lot of indie scene now has become this sort of neither here nor there day-glo coachella party music like metric or latter day flaming lips or arcade fire, if it's not that glockenspiel pomplamoose ipod crap. i think the original "awkwardness" and amateurishness of the indie scene has become an affected put-on (and maybe it was partially in the first place but i don't think it was done so in this particular way.) which is kind of a bummer.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:30 (six years ago) link

thread would be harder to argue with if it remembered/counted building nothing out of something

― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:16 PM

I remember it and love it. Doesn't count though. It's a comp.

alpine static, Friday, 22 November 2013 22:38 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjecIllOEio

the guitar outro

Treeship, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:47 (three years ago) link

Oneida about four times over

charlie brown from outta town (GM), Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:55 (three years ago) link

yeah the thread title was obviously just someone itching for a fight. nevertheless, the lonesome crowded west is incredible

Treeship, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:00 (three years ago) link

Limp Biscuit

van smack, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:04 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

here's the treeship with teeth like god's shoeshine

mookieproof, Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:24 (one week ago) link

i felt this way back in high school

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 February 2020 04:57 (one week ago) link

I probably would have voted Blacklisted -> Fox Confessor, for the time period at issue.

(there was plenty of other stuff I loved, but it’s more idiosyncratic, and I wouldn’t go to the mat for it “objectively” like I would those two Neko albums.)

dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:33 (one week ago) link

...Or is that pair disqualified, because she released a (similarly excellent) live album in between? I’m not totally clear on the rules here.

dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:36 (one week ago) link

diamond eyes -> koi no yokan

i'll go with this suggestion from bradnelson

i am just now getting into deftones and right now they are the best rock n roll band in history after the stones

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:49 (one week ago) link

hell yeah

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Sunday, 9 February 2020 08:14 (one week ago) link

otm

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 9 February 2020 14:25 (one week ago) link

Good Kid M.A.A.D City -> To Pimp a Butterfly
To Pimp a Butterfly -> DAMN
MBDTF -> Yeezus
Exai -> Elseq 1-5

Not too much else comes close for me for the last 15 years

octobeard, Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:12 (one week ago) link

The time period in question here was 1998-2013 (if we were doing the past 15 years from today, I’d have a different answer!)

dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:28 (one week ago) link

now that i think about it, lonesome crowded west was more than 15 years old when this thread was made. mods???

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:43 (one week ago) link

tbf, the post title doesn’t require it being less than 15

mookieproof, Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:47 (one week ago) link

ah fair enough. in that case,

Didn't It Rain -> Magnolia Electric Co
Strange Geometry -> God Save the Clientele
Last Exit -> So This is Goodbye

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:50 (one week ago) link

oh hah i already posted that last one back in the day

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:51 (one week ago) link

Every Broadcast long-player was released in the 15 years up to Feb '13. So, yes, several times times IMHO. #PVMIC

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 10 February 2020 00:15 (one week ago) link


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