can't believe ilx has no lostprophets thread

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Background information
Birth name Ian David Karslake Watkins
Also known as Mirrorboy, L'Amour La Morgue
Born 30 July 1977 (age 35)[1][2]
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Genres Alternative metal, alternative rock, post-hardcore, nu metal
Occupations Musician, singer, songwriter, designer
Instruments vocals, drums, turntables, keyboards
Years active 1995–present
Labels Epic, Fearless, Visible Noise
Associated acts Lostprophets
Public Disturbance
The Blackout

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lostprophets-singer-ian-watkins-remanded-in-custody-after-appearing-in-court-accused-of-conspiring-to-rape-oneyearold-girl-8425042.html

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:47 (four years ago) Permalink

jesus

GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:48 (four years ago) Permalink

Their first single's pretty rocking. Everything else I've heard not so much.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:49 (four years ago) Permalink

Also known as 	Lozt Prophetz (1997–1999)

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:50 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah "Last Train Home" was a jam, wish i could have enjoyed it a couple more times before learning about all this

some dude, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Oh shit I totally didn't check out the link before offering my opinion.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

well u did say 'Everything else I've heard not so much'

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Yes, none of that new information sounds in the least bit rocking.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:56 (four years ago) Permalink

Fuck, I hadn't seen the details of the charges until now. Fuck.

Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:59 (four years ago) Permalink

The only reports I'd seen prior to than Independent one only mentioned an "under-aged" girl but... one year old? Fuck.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 17:06 (four years ago) Permalink

horrible.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 17:09 (four years ago) Permalink

if true.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 17:09 (four years ago) Permalink

holy shit that is ill

Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Also known as Mirrorboy, L'Amour La Morgue

Apt.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:23 (four years ago) Permalink

see I actually assumed this was going to go un-commented on here, if only for the reason that Lostprophets are like the platonic ideal of a band ILM will never care about

until now I guess

Sounds like something Maria Carey would of rejected (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:30 (four years ago) Permalink

yebbut "But Seriously" had been number one for months on end before that, believe me - i'm sure i remember hearing Gary Davies announce those 1990 album charts for the first time. on Saturday the Daily Telegraph (which of course i didn't actually read) had a big thing on its front page about "the young people who disagree with their liberal parents" or something like that - i suspect this is what Bunged Out is referring to.

as for Keane, they're merely another example of the ongoing tendency - in the 60s, the vast bulk of British pop music came from the south-east and the West Coast Main Line corridor, whereas now it's become so central to the culture, and the Americosceptic heartlands of wariness of its influence (both Old Tory and Old Labour) have been so systematically eroded, that you get people like Keane, who in the post-war years would have been Young Conservative bank clerks, choosing pop music as just another career (the idea of a band from Battle, Sussex getting to number three in 1966 would have been completely unthinkable, Troggs and Dave Dee notwithstanding). pop music is just *there* now, so they don't think what they're doing is in any way *significant* (compare to, say, Reg Presley's "this kind of feeling could move a nation"; *he knew*) - the sound of "Somewhere Only We Know" is the sound of a cultural form completely immersed in the fabric in a way unthinkable even ten years ago, saying nothing and being nothing.

the tedium of bands like that i would call "Wienerisation", after the man who did most to encourage ideological loathing of the conservative middle classes' wariness of pop culture and thus allow pop music to slip further and further into the background and have less and less *drama* and *impact* to it. Keane are merely a sociological aftereffect; they mean nothing in themselves, and they wouldn't pretend to, but their existence and doubtless massive future success says a lot. born in the Thatcher years, they can't remember a time when conservatism - even in Sussex market towns - wasn't merely another flavour of the Coca-Cola culture / McCulture (whatever you want to say), and therefore they see it as perfectly natural for the most conservative dullards to make a career out of pop music. what Lostprophets are to the miners' strike, they are to the sackings of Lord Carrington, Francis Pym et al. can you imagine the sort of people who like "Somewhere Only We Know" thinking much for themselves? i can't. at least Chris Martin is politically dead right in most of his beliefs. Keane are *nothing*.

― phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:25 (8 years ago)

Could you clarify your point about Lostprophets and the miners' strike, please? I'm not sure I get what you're saying.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:16 (8 years ago)

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:31 (four years ago) Permalink

Lolprophets

Captain Humberbantz (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:33 (four years ago) Permalink

innocent until proven guilty and murdered in prison tho

Captain Humberbantz (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:33 (four years ago) Permalink

My Chemical Romance - Living Years
Lostprophets - Save Your Kisses For me
Cradle of Filth - Devil Woman(they did cover it)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:31 (6 years ago)

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:35 (four years ago) Permalink

see I actually assumed this was going to go un-commented on here, if only for the reason that Lostprophets are like the platonic ideal of a band ILM will never care about

I thought they polled decently well on this but I guess I remembered incorrectly:
Modern Rock #1 Hits of 2004

billstevejim, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:44 (four years ago) Permalink

holy fucking christ

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:22 (four years ago) Permalink

the fuck is going on there

Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Holy crap.

The only reports I'd seen prior to than Independent one only mentioned an "under-aged" girl but... one year old? Fuck.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:06 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This goes for me too. Jesus.

emil.y, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:45 (four years ago) Permalink

There's a story on there about him having three penises and impregnating a unicorn which I imagine is about as reliable as most of the rest of the thread.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:53 (four years ago) Permalink

there is a description from a year ago correlating with exactly what he is charged with

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:58 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_74997/ian-watkins/comments

a friend linked me to this tonight, i was just like what the fuck.

gosh, talulah! (jumpskins), Thursday, 20 December 2012 03:17 (four years ago) Permalink

weird...one of the first things i thought of when the saville story broke was the dudes in bands from this (or closely related) scenes who used to sleep with my school friends when i was 16/17. at the time i didn't think much of it (some jealously i guess) but as i've got older i realised how creepy it was that these dudes in their mid-to-late 20s were sleeping with girls still in school. i always been unsure whether it was actually a case of being predatory or just being unable to grow up and relate to girls their own age. i think for many it was probably the latter but this lostprophets dude sounds like a real dirtbag.

tpp, Thursday, 20 December 2012 07:56 (four years ago) Permalink

This is not that.

kinder, Thursday, 20 December 2012 08:07 (four years ago) Permalink

agree

tpp, Thursday, 20 December 2012 08:08 (four years ago) Permalink

jesus, that whosedatedwho thing is like the fount of eternal toxic misogyny.

some friends of mine in yr11/sixth form were into sleeping with lostprophets members and peripherals -- kind of hoping none of them slept with this douche, even if he's found innocent of this he's really not someone you'd want on your sexual history.

c sharp major, Thursday, 20 December 2012 11:59 (four years ago) Permalink

even if he's found innocent regardless of this

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 20 December 2012 12:28 (four years ago) Permalink

this is probably going to be the worst sub judice lull ever

there is pretty much going to be nothing to say about anything in the entire world until he gets his next court appearance

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 20 December 2012 13:08 (four years ago) Permalink

But this sort of thing only ever happened in the 70s, it was acceptable then, part of the culture

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 December 2012 13:19 (four years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22753681

In court this week. 23 child sex offences and two counts of raping a baby.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 June 2013 11:20 (four years ago) Permalink

and "possessing extreme pornographic images involving an animal".

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:54 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Fearne Cotton: "You cannot fix the bad boy. He'll break your heart"

The radio and TV presenter, 31, on bad boys, tattoos and being Ronnie Wood's daughter-in-law

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гір кривбас кривий ріг (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 5 September 2013 21:59 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

band have officially split.

I'd link the BBC report, but you can pretty much guess the content...

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 19:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Is it about his three penises or the unicorn thing?

StanM, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 22:46 (three years ago) Permalink

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>People can say what they want about Lostprophets but at the end of the day they were a sick band. I'll see them around, I'm sure✌️</p>— Sa$$y Gwen (@menaigotclass) <a href="https://twitter.com/menaigotclass/statuses/385063235030097920";>October 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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PaulTMA, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 22:59 (three years ago) Permalink

ah well that didn't work

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 22:59 (three years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/fPhRxfC.jpg

idk is this kid relevant to the 'story' or is the just 'sick' being the story

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 23:01 (three years ago) Permalink

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um, what?

StanM, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 07:19 (three years ago) Permalink

that nerys hughes looks younger every time i see her

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 07:37 (three years ago) Permalink

just read a story about this and what the fucking fuck

smang culture (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:24 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Guilty

Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

this seems reasonably clear cut then

hope he enjoys his own company

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 14:39 (three years ago) Permalink

blimey at that one lone fan (mentioned above) tweeting constantly how he's innocent etc

Cosmic Slop, Friday, 18 September 2015 16:26 (one year ago) Permalink

the pep ponk that will be kept aleev

top doctor (seandalai), Friday, 18 September 2015 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink

y'all are obsessed with updates about this horrible dude and you should recalibrate your attention toward no devotion

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 18 September 2015 16:57 (one year ago) Permalink

are they kepping pep ponk aleev?

Ray Chard (NickB), Friday, 18 September 2015 17:01 (one year ago) Permalink

needs more ponk in their pep tbh

Ray Chard (NickB), Friday, 18 September 2015 17:13 (one year ago) Permalink

the pep ponk that will be kept aleev

― top doctor (seandalai), Friday, 18 September 2015 17:45 (29 minutes ago)

pep guardianista

Robert Kenedy Nunes do Nascimento (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 September 2015 17:15 (one year ago) Permalink

sev pep pank!

sarahell, Saturday, 19 September 2015 20:10 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Thibaut Hkt ‏@survivaltribes Nov 16
#MonPlusBeauSouvenirDuBataclan Les concert de @riseagainst et @lostprophets (avant que ian watkins soit incarcéré pour pédophilie :/ )

Dear Lesbian21 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:59 (one year ago) Permalink

http://www.hitthefloor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/HYS-LP.jpg

Solomon Radley – Contributor

Well I’m loathe to do this – but the answer to this one comes from the philosophy of aesthetics. When someone asks “What does a work of art mean?” the least problematic answer is “Whatever the artist intended it to mean.” That’s why Duchamp’s ‘Fountain’ isn’t just a urinal, and it’s why John Cage’s ‘4’33”’ is a piece of music, rather than a pretentious four-minute exercise in pointlessness.

It follows that if an artist intends something to be part of a piece of art, it becomes part of that piece of art. What’s more, in some cases you’ll find that the personal lives of a band’s members are part of the art in an even more direct way – for example, The Wonder Years took Soupy’s most personal thoughts and anxieties and made it the subject matter of their last three albums.

If something’s not actually part of an artwork, it shouldn’t really colour your opinion of that art. So if an artist didn’t intend their personal life to be part of the music, you shouldn’t really judge the music by their life ‘off record/stage’.

But that’s the problem – what Ian Watkins allegedly did shouldn’t affect what you think of their songs, but it does. So you can’t help but feel sorry for the rest of Lostprophets now they’ve been forced to call it a day because the charges against him dragged the band’s name through the mud.

I routinely find I enjoy the personalities behind my favourite music as much as the music itself. That’s why I love Fat Mike, Tyler, The Creator and Ke$ha. And why shouldn’t I? Maybe a better definition of the meaning of a piece of art would be “Whatever the listener derives from it”.

To hell with all the complicated philosophical implications – that best-describes the meaning I grasp when listening to music, so I’m sticking with it. It also explains why I can’t listen to ‘Shinobi Vs. Dragon Ninja’ anymore without feeling a shade guilty.

The term “hitler racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:50 (one year ago) Permalink

Solomon Radley, born to write badley

a moment on the streets, a lifetime in the sheets (DJ Mencap), Friday, 27 November 2015 19:54 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Still amazed that any paedophile would use the phrase 'Ifuckkids' to password protect their computer full of child porn. Wonder how long it took GCHQ to crack that one.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 AM (2 years ago)

sarahell, Saturday, 12 December 2015 19:33 (one year ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

He's back! http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/paedophile-singer-ian-watkins-twitter-12210876

The "Laim McKenzie, Paisley" tag on the soundcloud page has me less than convinced, though

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

In Wales for the night and in honour of the occasion can anyone recommend any of the earlier stuff

virginity simple (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 April 2017 22:58 (four months ago) Permalink

wasn't it his love of earlier stuff that landed him in jail?

Odysseus, Saturday, 22 April 2017 23:27 (four months ago) Permalink

xp - When the band was in its infancy?

sarahell, Sunday, 23 April 2017 17:05 (four months ago) Permalink

Let's not make this about that please.

virginity simple (darraghmac), Monday, 24 April 2017 07:45 (four months ago) Permalink

Heck of a comeback line, tho.

Mark G, Monday, 24 April 2017 10:50 (four months ago) Permalink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Devotion

Mark G, Monday, 24 April 2017 11:03 (four months ago) Permalink

I wonder if Owen Smith likes to blast them out in the car.

calzino, Monday, 24 April 2017 11:18 (four months ago) Permalink

I still don't buy for one second the story that these dudes were in a van with this guy for like 15 years and never once did they consider something was not on the level

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 April 2017 14:03 (four months ago) Permalink

"Great show, guys! Welp, I'm off to the hotel to have a fully legal sexual encounter with an adult woman who is over the age of 18."

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 April 2017 14:04 (four months ago) Permalink

"Let's just borrow your laptop for a sec, what's the login password again?"

calzino, Monday, 24 April 2017 14:08 (four months ago) Permalink

they travelled separately for a long time so he could do what he wanted.

Odysseus, Monday, 24 April 2017 14:08 (four months ago) Permalink

Hey Hey, They were not The Monkees.

Mark G, Monday, 24 April 2017 14:59 (four months ago) Permalink

"Great show, guys! Welp, I'm off to the hotel to have a fully legal sexual encounter with an adult woman who is over the age of 18."

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 24, 2017 9:04 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

had to check to see if these guys ever played the Warped tour, because I'm pretty sure that's a phrase they make bands practice repeating before playing that now

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:19 (four months ago) Permalink

the age of consent in wales is 9 btw

ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:44 (four months ago) Permalink

nah jk the welsh reproduce via parthenogenesis iirc

ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:47 (four months ago) Permalink

meanwhile everyone's favourite welsh sex criminal has just signed for caek's lot again, glory has truly returned to bramall lane

imago, Monday, 24 April 2017 15:49 (four months ago) Permalink

they call it cywldly gwlnthly or something xp

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:50 (four months ago) Permalink

take it to the 'incomprehensible britishisms' thread buddy xp

ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:51 (four months ago) Permalink

Are No Devotion still a functioning thing? I heard they had an actual hit in Romania or something, but surely they're still well fucked

PaulTMA, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:39 (four months ago) Permalink

brb gotta head over to the 'posts you has second thoughts about' thread

ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 17:45 (four months ago) Permalink

Lots of references to the regrettable actions of Watkins but i was actually hoping for some solid recommendations here folks

virginity simple (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:28 (three months ago) Permalink

in what sphere? life in general?

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:31 (three months ago) Permalink

Tbf I don't think we are dealing with Wagner or Micheal Jackson here, he was just simply a pile of shit.

calzino, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:37 (three months ago) Permalink

well, exactly - beyond criticism is that fellow - oh shit I thought you meant the Town manager there!

calzino, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:42 (three months ago) Permalink

#Wagnerknows

virginity simple (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 01:17 (three months ago) Permalink

Recommendations?

'Other bands are available'

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 05:54 (three months ago) Permalink

Ultimately, the Lostprophets produced The Betrayed by themselves at the Los Angeles home of the band's bassist, Stuart Richardson, between 2008 and 2009. Over the course of this multi-year recording process, they scrapped a lot of material, ultimately selecting a dozen songs for the 45-minute album. The first half of the album is uniformly excellent, in particular the full-throttle rockers "Dstryr/Dstryr," "It's Not the End of the World, But I Can See It from Here," and "Next Stop, Atro City." Though less invigorating and perhaps too pop-oriented for some fans, the U2-esque "Where We Belong" and the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon" are also first-rate.

ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:30 (three months ago) Permalink

the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"

ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:31 (three months ago) Permalink

"And so say all of us"

Xpost Timing!

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:45 (three months ago) Permalink

Born Ian David Karslake Watkins
30 July 1977 (age 39)
Merthyr Tydfil, Wales
Other names L'Amour La Morgue

ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 07:03 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4599226/Paedophile-19-fantasised-raping-babies-jailed.html

does not say whether this top lad was a lostprophets fan

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:24 (two months ago) Permalink

so i guess this is ilx's de facto baby-rape thread now huh

cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:27 (two months ago) Permalink

if you want to start a new baby-rape thread, be my guest

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:39 (two months ago) Permalink

i feel like the 'i love people-making board' would at once be the most appropriate and very much least appropriate place to put it

cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:45 (two months ago) Permalink


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