Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads

hope your arm feels better soon! tbh i only mentioned it because i was just talking about warmups and also i learned some useful shoulder stretches from yoga with andre http://www.decibelmagazine.com/diary/metal-yoga-with-andre-foisy-1/

yeah i'm not good on warming up
also i know i need to work on proper technique, sitting positions, etc

(thx for the advice all and the yoga link)

you can call your first album Voice of the Elbow

Got the Elbow (Black and) Blues

I really dig this new Hush Arbors material. Keith just posted this on facebook. Streched out 30min long tune at Quiet Music Festival, Oct 2014.

http://vimeo.com/112521535

Well truth be told I don't know how new this stuff is, but his previous albums didn't this type of guitar playing if I'm remembering correctly, was mostly upbeat singing folk rock?

Yeah, the Hush Arbors album posted a little bit up in the thread is also more in this vein, and pretty nice overall. Once Keith gets going on this one it is pretty cool, a good direction for him.

Didn't know Zeppelin pilfered Fahey (maybe):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YnsCMHDRP0

Then again Sunflower River Blues is like one of those songs that seems like it wrote itself or always existed. But I'd wager Page and co knew of Fahey!

Ahah yes, I've been wanting to find something like this because I remember playing guitar a long time ago around like the friends of my friends' friends, party night whatever, someone goes 'hey nice man, led zeppelin' and I was very confused, never knew what he was talking about.

Good lord though, that guitar is right on the dot.

heh heh, yeah. is he playing 12 string there though?
was just listening to the yardbirds' "white summer" -- I guess a guy who borrows heavily from davey graham is just a few steps away from borrowing from fahey.

& borrowing from bert jansch

they were tight bros. with fairport convention too, so i can't imagine page & plant didn't know about fahey and american primitive stuff

i actually think about zep a lot in regards to all this stuff, that was really the only band that ever really surfaced any of the UK progressive folk type stuff into the mainstream and i think made me more ready for stuff like fahey etc

xp and fahey played with dudes from SPIRIT on the yellow princess... holy shit, the page conspiracy deepens... we're through the looking glass people!

actually was the Spirit dude the bassist? Because the bassist for Spirit was in the original lineup of Canned Heat, which Fahey helped to form and was tight bros. with Bob Hite and Al Wilson...

wtf I did not know that

(i should say helped to form in that i believe he introduced hite and wilson and said they would be good together, not that he was in canned heat)

still!

he was also apparently friends w/linda rondstadt (according to hoskyns in hotel california), fahey crossed paths w/all these ppl when he was in the folk scene while at ucla

quote from robert plant on the recording of led zep III from wikipedia:

[Bron-Yr-Aur] was a fantastic place in the middle of nowhere with no facilities at all-and it was a fantastic test of what we could do in that environment. Because by that time we'd become obsessed with change, and the great thing was that we were also able to create a pastoral side of Led Zep. Jimmy was listening to Davey Graham and Bert Jansch and was experimenting with different tunings, and I loved John Fahey. So it was a very natural place for us to go to

i could hear some american primitive in "going to california"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hziq6PRwKpE

^ there's also some speculation that this is the inspiration behind led zep's version of 'in my time of dying'

led zep certainly sound a lot closer to that than they do to the blind willie johnson or bob dylan versions afaict

yeah i can hear some of the same phrasing in parts, though it's different enough to be "inspired by" not "stolen" as it is sometimes w/zep

actually was the Spirit dude the bassist? Because the bassist for Spirit was in the original lineup of Canned Heat, which Fahey helped to form and was tight bros. with Bob Hite and Al Wilson...

you're not talking about stu brotman? didn't know he was in spirit, but he was also in the very earliest lineup of the united states of america (same deal as with canned heat: splitting before they recorded) as well as the later version of kaleidoscope who were another zepp fave, hmmm.

and to drop some more useless trivia: bass player on the first two fahey & his orchestra lps was briefly a member of the bonzo dog band...

whoop, checked the yellow princess credits and it's the guy who replaced brotman in canned heat playing bass on there :-/

Wow, Led Zep/Canned Heat hitting the thread. Good info. Gotta say J. Page is always gonna have a big place in my heart as a gateway into the supremely guitar-centric part of my life.

Guess today is the anniversay of Jack Rose's passing, and Bill Kellum (of the great VHF Records) posted this in memorium. Apparently it was a proposed release sent in in 2005 that Jack ended up scrapping. Bill basically describes it as an alternate "Kensington Blues (Early Version)", which is of course the stuff. Sad, but hope there are more gems like this to come in the future:

http://www.vhfrecords.com/news/2014/12/3/jack-rose-kensington-blues-early-version

Xpost

I was actually talking about Mark Andes, didn't know there was such a Spirit/Canned Heat connection

Andes was also in Jo Jo Gunne

Notes on the songs:

Track 1-Kensington Blues
Track 2-Cross the North Fork
Track 3-Cathedrals et Chartres
Track 4-Ever since I’ve been a man full grown
Track 5-Cathedral et Chartres II
Track 6-Calais to Dover
Track 7-Sunflower River Blues
Track 8-Dark was the night

Tracks one through six is the proposed cd. I explained in the email how I felt about using “ever since.” Also tracks 4 and 5 are from VPRO, so that means paying them for licensing rights. If we go the ep/45 route: tracks 2, 3, and 6 would be one ep, track 1 and 8 would towards the other ep along with 4 or 5 songs I have written and would be recorded in the next couple of months (DR Ragtime 12”), track 7 with another fahey track would be the 45. Anyway enjoy the cd.

Best,
Jack

Interesting process notes. What does he mean by needing VPRO licensing for "Since I've Been a Man Full Grown"? "Cathedral et Chartres II" seems to be based on Basho's "Cathedrals Et Fleur De Lis", certainly. But what is "Since I've Been a Man Full Grown" based on, I had always thought that was an original. Not fully familiar with all of Basho so perhaps it is a reworking of his material for the lap steel, that's my only guess.

Right when I submitted my post I realized that tracks 4 and 5 are live recordings.

I need to think things through sometimes, oof.

yeah vpro is ... dutch radio, i think?
you can get those sessions (and a whole lot more unreleased rose) over yonder: http://delta-slider.blogspot.com/2010/12/big-post-of-jack-rose-bootlegs.html

or at least *a* vpro session, maybe not the one he's referring to?

xposts: ah right, spinning the yellow princess in penance. wondering if fahey's presence on canned heat's living the blues album makes it worth investigating? have always been scared off by the 40 minute boogie on the second lp.

& re the talk up there about the red krayola/fahey album, think it's in the liners to the live 1967 release that mentions one of their managers absconded with the tapes, so i guess it's not out of the realms of possibility that they turn up again...

man, Fahey really got around in the sixties, didn't he? fascinated by all of this.

lowenthal book suggests fahey actually got a lot from wilson because wilson was the more technically skilled player...and he shows up posthumously apparently on old girlfriends.

canned heat is pretty dope imo

don't be scared of 40-minute boogies!

al wilson knew some music theory, studied blues vocal lines which is why his sound so good (imo), might have helped fahey with his patton book

40-minute boogies rule, as does "Cathedrals et Chartres". About as mesmerizing as acoustic guitar playing can get.

Also new James Blackshaw tune has been posted, with vocals etc. Seems like he has been listening to Jim O'Rourke?:

https://soundcloud.com/jamesblackshaw/confetti

Haha wow. Yup.

thanks, will ignore

Aw, well it's nice enough.

sounds very nice, but yeah, if someone told me it was a eureka outtake i would believe it!

Hey though grandavis- it then rolls into a track called "Holly" that you might like a little more?

It gets busy with a piano part in the latter half but it isn't that 12-string kind of busy overall (nylon string)

Maybe?

By the way, wow that Holly EP is gorgeous (both tracks). I NEED to pick that one up somewhere.

Oh man, don't wanna come across as being on some kind of anti-Blackshaw campaign. I think that basically he is pretty hit-and-miss with me. I like some of what I have heard but the more composed stuff (if that makes sense) doesn't seem to hit me as hard. Obviously I need to listen to more of his stuff to really see which way the wind blows, will check out the Holly stuff and see what's up.

I am very pro-12-string by the way. It is a sound of beauty and should not be held accountable for any stuff I don't like from any particular player. If only I was good enough to play one well (or could get my hands to cooperate) I would consider switching to one full-time.