Finally Rich - Chief Keef

i never said it was part of a horrible system? why are you putting words in my mouth you fucking creep

i mean i thought you might throw those fools into the fire and leave the critic game to those in the know, but here you are pointing out how they're only following orders

can i put forward that there are a lot of conflicts w/in the black community that keef is underlining so when white ppl are perceived to be taking sides in that it probably seems a bit weird too

i.e. generation gap is obviously a HUGE thing. & there's also class & geography.

so when Hip White Critic does his ACTUALLY DUBSTEP IS KIND OF GOOD to gangster rap there are all these other dimensions to it

i can tell you being in nyc for 3 months that simply the level of segregation here isnt even on par w/ how it is in chicago ... you dont have middle class Lincoln Park (chicago) white people living in Bronzeville in chicago, but they waltz around harlem (many parts of) like they own the place etc. it's just a completely different level of interaction.

i think one of the things about keef is he makes guys like this seem Really Old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSslqEcTRE
I chose this example b/c it sounds like French is biting a Keef hook

aw, the google cache for "A Match Made In Harlem" has expired already

n.o.r.e. doesn't really need help seeming old

lol internet white guys get crazy defensive if anybody suggests there's cultural tourism present in getting excited about "nihilism" in black music (not a shot at u deej, though I still think yr nuts to rep for this guy's rapping)

kind of feel keef's defenders are leaning a biiiiit too heavily on the "young people like him, u old" defense

not saying it's inaccurate but it's not great criticism

it's not music criticism, we're talking about the controversy

i think if deej and j0rd fail to see the forest for the trees it's from being in chicago during keef's rise -- i've been writing about local rap passionately for ages and basically bending over backwards to avoid the kind of hyperbolic homerism they keep setting off all my red flags for

when bossman signs his 3 million dollar interscope deal we'll look pretty foolish

lol

he signed a 2.5 mil sony deal 8 years ago -- that kind of thing going nowhere is exactly why i go "who fuckin cares" when people trot out the supposed hugeness of keef's contract

if they weren't going to be extraordinarily overpriced I'd buy you a pair of beats by keef's for xmas next year

i heard that Keef's headphones play the beat 2 seconds of where you lay down your vocals

of=off

LOL

some dude I have beef with you now that you fucked up that joke

sorry :(

"I see that Dr. Dre, whose name is virtually synonymous with state-of-the-art studio perfectionism and sonic excellence, made a lot of money with branded headphones. think we can do that with the kid whose album sounds like a mixtape made in a basement that we tacked Rick Ross verses onto? sure, why not"

tbf dr. dre's are overpriced rip-offs so you're criticizing the marketing alone

if these posts interfere with the line of high-end studio monitors I'm trying to broker with Lil B I'm gonna be pissed

yeah idgaf about awesome audiophile snake oil i'm just saying at least the psychology of the marketing for one actually makes sense (xp)

Chief Keef Brand Metronomes will be all the rage next Christmas

lollllll

looool

you could actually get some buddha box buzz going on a metronome that kept random time

brb, making a metronome that counts based off the Fibonacci sequence

buzza box budd <--name of a strain I am cultivating rite now

gets you so lifted all u can do is repeatedly click 'random threads'

kind of feel keef's defenders are leaning a biiiiit too heavily on the "young people like him, u old" defense

i don't think this is being used as a defense of his music, exactly. at least not on aesthetic grounds. it's more about clearing up the narrative. there are people in rap (including the writers/bloggers on the other side of this debate) that don't see chief keef as a legitimate artist -- they either think he has been pushed to fame by "mainstream media" or by kanye west or because of his tweets -- and though all of those factors have contributed to his story, the fact of the matter is that he is where he is because he became a genuine phenomenon in one of the biggest cities in america. and the driving force behind that phenomenon was young kids.

but yeah i also do think it's worth pointing out that while the critical debate does break along racial lines, it also breaks along a generational line. every writer or blogger that i've seen speaking out against my review on twitter is at least one "era" removed from keef. i don't think it's a coincidence that none of them can even accept the idea that keef might make art that's acceptable to critique and also like.

there are tons of young rap fans who get pretty mad about youth-oriented mainstream rap, though, the same way there are kids in nirvana and led zep shirts who are pissed about emo or w/e

kids also liked Haysi Fanayzee; that doesn't automatically mean anyone else should take them seriously

there are tons of young rap fans who get pretty mad about youth-oriented mainstream rap, though, the same way there are kids in nirvana and led zep shirts who are pissed about emo or w/e

― some dude, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

sure and rock critics should take emo seriously!

rip fall out boy critgeist :(

well, but you're drawing some conclusions about that non-coincidence, and it's a little lazy to make "I've noticed this about my opponents" the actual focus of one's reponses. also it's pretty Lefsetz to be like "if the kids like it, it's real!" or as Dan points out - kids love all sorts of crap

"young kids like [rapper x]" is not a reason itself for people to take someone seriously, but it's also a reason why people -- esp people in power in rap media -- will automatically dismiss an artist as illegitimate

(unless that rapper is joey badass hmm yes i wonder why)

...but the little grills understand

kids also liked Haysi Fanayzee; that doesn't automatically mean anyone else should take them seriously

― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why shouldn't we take Chief Keef seriously though? Because someone thinks he's crap?

wait the kids liked haysi fantayzee? i only know them through critics

i don't deny Keef's album is art, it's just pretty artless as art goes

Shaun Cassidy maybe a better example than Haysi Fantayzee who are kind of a postmodern experiment

the discussion around Chief Keef reads to me like a bunch of critics hailing Carter USM as the hot new direction that will revolutionize rock music

xp: in a nutshell and from my perspective, yes; I think you can put together several objective* metrics where dude is actively horseshit

* where of course the importance of said metrics is subjective

but the thing in rap is that when "kids" get behind something it often becomes popular. then as critics it's something that we need to approach and evaluate and sometimes that music turns out to be really good. but this stuff can also often get popular under the noses of people with certain aesthetic biases.

which is why it's good to have people who aren't afraid to give the game's first album an 8.4

I'm not even sure about what "artless" means in this context.

which is why it's good to have people who aren't afraid to give the game's first album an 8.4

― da croupier, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:28 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

i have no idea what that means

j0rdan i feel like you're equating "dismissing something without listening to it because it's not positioned as Respectable Art" with "listening to it and concluding that it's not very good"

but the thing in rap is that when "kids" get behind something it often becomes popular. then as critics it's something that we need to approach and evaluate and sometimes that music turns out to be really good. but this stuff can also often get popular under the noses of people with certain aesthetic biases.

what I have been attempting to point out without baldly saying it due to the shitstorm I predict will ensue is that one of those aesthetic biases is "being as niggerish as all get-out" and it therefore shouldn't be a big surprise that some segment of the population is going to respond negatively to that shit's elevation

but the thing in rap is that when "kids" get behind something it often becomes popular. then as critics it's something that we need to approach and evaluate and sometimes that music turns out to be really good. but this stuff can also often get popular under the noses of people with certain aesthetic biases.

this is a narrative - really several narratives - that bears a little more scrutiny than I think adult adherents of the "kids know the truth" trope tend to give it