Is Eric Clapton a racist?

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I recall seeing somewhere that Eric Clapton had some pretty right-wing views regarding immigration to UK, and even that he could be regarded as a racist. What were these views? I wonder where did he make these statements, in the music press? on stage even? Was this in the 70s, or 80s, and does he still stand by them if they could be considered as racist?
I don't know, it's not as if I've suddenly become interested in the man's music, it's just that if his views were pretty dodgy there doesn't seem to have been much of an uproar about it, or really any stigma attached to them. I'm not completely unbiased, my parents were immigrants to UK during the time Enoch Powell and his friends were talking about "rivers of blood".

Anas FK, Friday, 27 September 2002 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

sure ain't god, that's wot

Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 27 September 2002 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard these rumors, but I can't belive that Clapton would be "Racist"... He might be anti-immigration for whatever reason - but knowing who his friends and colleagues are, it's not likely that he's racist.

Curious to know what he said....

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 27 September 2002 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

In August 1976, Eric Clapton, the rock guitarist, interrupted a Birmingham concert to make a speech supporting Enoch Powell, the racist Tory MP. The photographer Red Saunders wrote a reply, which was subsequently published in a number of papers including the New Musical Express and Melody Maker. The letter led directly to the formation of Rock Against Racism

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 27 September 2002 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

there was certainly a *lot* of criticism at the time, in the music papers

to be honest i've *never* seen any comment of his about it, at the time or since (that doesn't mean he hasn't commented, just that i never saw it)

if i recall correctly, it was also often pointed out at the time that he was very drunk, but whther that's a. true or b. relevant, i couldn't say

the skinhead stance in the early 70s was often violently anti-asian yet pro-reggae (not that clapton was associated with skinheads)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 27 September 2002 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I did find this - if you want to believe Dan Opstein of NY, who provides no specific support and is obviously a fan of Clapton. (Incidentally, Bowie was fascinated by Fascism, but neccesarily sympathetic to it. This quote not meant to start an attack on Bowie:)


"Remember Bowie never apologised for his Fascist views - unlike Eric Clapton who realised his drugged up errors and made a public apology. Eric realised his mistakes. Therefore Bowie is the most EVIL SCUM OF THE FUCKING EARTH and Clapton is God.(Did you know Bowie pleaded for a part in Romper Stomper and backed up every single one of Morrisseys views. He also supported Enoch Powell 100% and paid $500,000 for one of Hitlers suits at an auction.......Think about it).
Dan Opstein
NY USA - Tuesday, March 19, 1996 at 09:58:56 (PST)"

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 27 September 2002 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"but neccesarily sympathetic" - should be "but NOT neccesarily sympathetic" ..obv.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 27 September 2002 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Remember Bowie never apologised for his Fascist views - unlike Eric Clapton who realised his drugged up errors and made a public apology. Eric realised his mistakes. Therefore Bowie is the most EVIL SCUM OF THE FUCKING EARTH
The funniest part about that incident (the "Victoria Station Salute Incident") is that he was so out of his gourd on drugs that didn't remember it the next day. He was in Germany trying to detox...and the next thing he knows, he wakes up in London in a Brownshirt costume and then blearily turns on the TV just in time to see footage of himself saying that he wanted to be Prime Minister.
Sure, his cocaine-induced paranoia about being abducted by spacemen may seem -- superficially -- more interesting; But I think it's 10x funnier to...

1) Wake up in a completely different country then the one you went to bed in.
2) Turn on the tube and see some coked-out Pod Person on TV making you look like a psychofascist dweeb.
3) Realize in Horror that that dweeb is YOU.

I think he's been clean ever since.

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Friday, 27 September 2002 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Bowie claims that he was only WAVING and the camera just caught him at the wrong instant.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 27 September 2002 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

do you believe him justin?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 27 September 2002 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Clapton may not be a "racist," but he sure as fuck is boring as hell. I'd rather listen to twenty-four hours of Tin Machine outtakes than suffer through Clapton's yawnsome drivel. Blecccchhh!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 September 2002 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

The Custos cure for krell addiction - just turn into a Nazi for the evening! If only the members of Poco had known this...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 27 September 2002 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

just read what custos said. it must be great being a rock star!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 27 September 2002 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

just read what custos said. it must be great being a rock star!
Yeah, I enjoy every nanosecond of it. The booze, the babes, the strip-searches.

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooops I meant Toto. Sorry Poco.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
BOWIE IS FUCKING AWESOME.....YOU PEOPLE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT COCAINE DRIVEN ROCK STARS (AND NORMAL PEOPLE)ARE CAPABLE OF SAYING...IM NOT SAYIN ITS BAD...JUST SAYIN THAT EVEN THESE EXTREMISTS ACCUSING PEOPLE OF BEING RACIST COULD JUST AS EASILY SAY THE SAME THING WHEN HEAVILY ON DRUGS....

I dont want to tell you my name, Wednesday, 30 April 2003 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

You go girl!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Looking back on the 30th anniversary of Rock Against Racism

Many of those who will gather in Victoria Park next Sunday to watch the Good, the Bad and the Queen, Hard-Fi, the View and the others on the bill were not even born 30 years ago. But for those who attended the original concert in 1978 it was a show that changed their lives and helped change Britain. Rock Against Racism radicalised a generation, it showed that music could do more than just entertain: it could make a difference. By demonstrating the power of music to effect change it inspired Live Aid and its supporters claim it helped destroy the National Front. It was the triumphant climax to a story that began two years earlier, following one hot August night in Birmingham.

It was 5 August 1976 and Eric Clapton was drunk, angry and on stage at the Birmingham Odeon. ‘Enoch was right,’ he told the audience, ‘I think we should send them all back.’ Britain was, he complained, in danger of becoming ‘a black colony’ and a vote for controversial Tory politician Enoch Powell whom he described as a prophet was needed to ‘keep Britain white’. Although the irony was possibly lost on Clapton, the Odeon in Birmingham is on New Street, minutes from the Midland Hotel where eight years earlier Powell had made his infamous ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech. But if the coincidence was curious, the hypocrisy was breathtaking: Clapton’s career was based on appropriating black music, and he had recently had a hit with Bob Marley’s ‘I Shot the Sheriff’.

In usual circumstances his comments would have been merely ill advised, but it was the social and political context which made Clapton’s intervention so chilling. The National Front had won 40 per cent of the votes in the spring elections in Blackburn. One month earlier an Asian teenager, Gurdip Singh Chaggar, had been murdered by a gang of white youths in Southall. ‘One down—a million to go’ was the response to the killing from John Kingsley Read of the National Front. Sid Vicious and Siouxsie Sioux were sporting swastikas as fashion statements. David Bowie, who three months earlier had been photographed apparently giving a Nazi salute in Victoria Station, told Cameron Crowe in the September 1976 edition of Playboy ‘…yes I believe very strongly in fascism. The only way we can speed up the sort of liberalism that’s hanging foul in the air…is a right-wing totally dictatorial tyranny…’ In that same interview Bowie claimed that ‘Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars.’ This was Britain then in the sweltering summer of 1976, and in that context Clapton’s comments were potentially incendiary.

And apparently, Clapton is still a racist

This summer, in the last weekend of June, Eric Clapton will headline two shows in London and Leeds, the locations for the first and last Rock against Racism carnivals. While David Bowie had distanced himself from his pro-Nazi remarks, Clapton has not only never apologised for his outburst, but has continued to praise Powell; only last December on The South Bank Show he reiterated his support for the man and four years ago he told Uncut magazine that Powell had been 'outrageously brave'. In fact the truly 'outrageously brave' ones were those who spoke up against the hate mongers and stood up for a vision of a liberal and tolerant Britain; apathy and cynicism is easy, but Rock Against Racism was gloriously uncynical.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link

he is not a racist. he was just caught on a bad racist day.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

ugh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link

clapton CANT be a racist. he pays tribute to black blues artists all the time and has said dozens of times how much he owes black music. liking black music/honouring bb king and co = not a racist. end of thread. can we just end this here now?

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link

lolol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Bigging up racists at every opportunity and moaning about immigration for the last 30-odd years doesn't make him a racist tho.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Sorry, meant that for the Morrissey thread.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

hey, eric clapton has black friends

omar little, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

and he makes money off of them!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

he can't be racist!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

i dunno why youre laughing big hoos. clapton covered bob marley too, so anyone saying that he had a problem with west indian immigrants in the uk at the time is just wrong.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link

titchy, are you being sarcastic you cheeky little blighter?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

"eric clapton has black friends"

yep. and he doesnt even NOTICE theyre black. which just goes to show - as if proof was needed - that, again, he is not a racist. i would in fact argue that him speaking his mind is something he learnt from the blues songs he learnt as a teenager. ie more proof of how he isnt racist.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Bigging up racists at every opportunity and moaning about immigration for the last 30-odd years doesn't make him a racist tho.

Sorry, meant that for the Morrissey thread.

-- Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:50 (50 seconds ago) Link

o my damn. lo1!!

will, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

You're fucking with me.

Right?

You're fucking with me. xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link

u right bro making mad $$$ off of black musical traditions and recording an album w/bb totally make "enoch was right" an ok thing to believe.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Just as a side note here, I love that PC shit disturbers have claimed the 'I have black friends' defense and made it that anyone who uses the phrase is clearly a bigot. What if you, like, really DO have black friends? What if you work in a soul fod restaraunt, intern at a hip hop label, and still - GASP! - criticize the welfare system?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

bruvs, was it his fault white people prefer buying music by white people more than they like buying the black music that inspired said white people?

dont hate the player, hate the game.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Just as a side note here, I love that PC shit disturbers have claimed the 'I have black friends' defense and made it that anyone who uses the phrase is clearly a bigot. What if you, like, really DO have black friends? What if you work in a soul fod restaraunt, intern at a hip hop label, and still - GASP! - criticize the welfare system?

You intern at a hip hop label?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i would in fact argue that him speaking his mind is something he learnt from the blues songs he learnt as a teenager.

Enoch had them old woke up this morning, found a river of blood type blues.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

People forget how involved Clapton was with black music in the 80s in the UK though. He put up the production budget for the first London Posse album, for instance. And he produced two of the tracks on the first Apache Indian album.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

One of those was the song with all the Oswald Mosley samples, right?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

actually ive heard that clapton interns at a hip hop label

max, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost - Just using that as an example, taken from, err, real life accounts. heh heh heh

I'd also say I'm too busy defending late era Blck Sabbath on ILM to criticize the welfare system too. It ain't all about me, Noodle.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

"What if you, like, really DO have black friends?"

you can still go on stage drunk and rant about evil immigrants.

clapton was there in covent garden at some of the early uk hip hop jams too. he helped lay out the lino.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

My question though is, isn't it entirely possible to be politically to the right of Che Guevara and still, like, treat everyone equally and with respect? I'm just sayin.'

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

depends how theyre being equally treated.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

What people forget is that Clapton wants all white British people to be sent back to Germany.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

wait so titchy is being serious

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Clapton actually wanted to give London an NBA franchise as well.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

What if you, like, really DO have black friends? What if you work in a soul fod restaraunt, intern at a hip hop label, and still - GASP! - criticize the welfare system?

What about the welfare system? Are you implying that there a very certain group of people messing it up?

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

the only serious points i made in this thread were at 20.04 and semi-seriously, at 19.58.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

wheres that nude spock paul revere gif

and what, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Came here to post that, too. It's mostly old news, yeah, but by running round-up stories like this every 10 years or so younger people get to hear it for the first time, in a sense inoculating themselves against this guy and his mostly worthless music.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 13:25 (two weeks ago) link

would have assumed young ppl run no risk of getting into Eric Clapton either way but I guess Greta Von Fleet have young fans so

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 11 October 2021 13:32 (two weeks ago) link

Clapton's legacy is mixed. I have found that deputies mostly like him, whereas he is not as popular among sheriffs.

Extinct Namibian shrub genus: Var. (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 11 October 2021 13:40 (two weeks ago) link

Republican governors love him tho.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 11 October 2021 13:59 (two weeks ago) link

Also, the luxury rehab industry.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 14:11 (two weeks ago) link

when he dies his tombstone will be forbidden to visit for those who are vaccinated.

years later, guards will talk about how weird it is that they've never had to enforce this rule.

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 October 2021 14:43 (two weeks ago) link

when he dies his tombstone will be forbidden to visit for those who are vaccinated.

I briefly read this as "when he dies his *trombone* will be ..." etc., and thought it was a meta joke that by the time he dies he will have been so forgotten that no one can even remember what instrument he played.

RIP, Eric Clapton, trombone great.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 15:28 (two weeks ago) link

it's in the way that you use it

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 October 2021 15:30 (two weeks ago) link

iirc his nickname was "slowbone"

Extinct Namibian shrub genus: Var. (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 11 October 2021 15:31 (two weeks ago) link

ask Patti

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 October 2021 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

if Connor Clapton had grown up today, his dad would still get to write Tears in Heaven

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 October 2021 16:17 (two weeks ago) link

I like to believe Clapton died somewhere in 1976, but was kept alive through infusions of racist propaganda and far-right conspiracy theories, resulting in the creature that has been infecting us with pseudoscience for the past year or so.

Lone Wanderer Mark II, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

Too bad Clapton didn't join the "27 Club" instead of Hendrix. The world would've been a whole lot better with that swap.

birdistheword, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

we'd have never gotten "Change the World" or his "I Shot the Sheriff" cover!

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 October 2021 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

There was a Clapton documentary on about a month ago and one memorable part had him saying his parents made him cut his hair when he was a teenager, and that ever since then he hadn't trusted anyone.So yeah, some traumas he's working through here, give the man a break, etc.

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 October 2021 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

I imagining some alternate universe where people complain "Man, I can't believe Hendrix went from Electric Ladyland to this bland Babyface shit! I bet Clapton wouldn't have done this had he survived that heroin overdose."

birdistheword, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

My guitar teacher is a big fan of Clapton ... but literally only what he did in Cream through Derek & the Dominoes, so 1967-1970. He is bored by or outright hates everything he's done since 1970.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

So as far as he's concerned, yeah, Clapton died in 1970, right after Hendrix.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

"My Father's Eyes", Pilgrim, THIS is authentic blues!!!!

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 October 2021 17:51 (two weeks ago) link

The outtakes from the aborted second album for Derek & the Dominos are pretty good (I think from 1971?) but that's pretty much the miserable end of the Eric Clapton worth hearing.

birdistheword, Monday, 11 October 2021 18:09 (two weeks ago) link

can't lie, i quite like this cocaine/sunshine of your love mash-up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdqSEPmdF98

primate marmite (NickB), Monday, 11 October 2021 18:21 (two weeks ago) link

Whenever I consider the forking paths of Hendrix surviving, the outcomes are far more Clive Davis presents Carlos and Jimi's Supernaturals III than Mdou Moctar collabs.

Citole Country (bendy), Monday, 11 October 2021 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

I'm going to have to disagree with the "Clapton sucks after 1970" angle -- in fact, I think "461 Ocean Boulevard" is one of the best albums Clapton has made (but I do think the hits are the weakest tracks on the album -- I've never really been a fan of "I Shot the Sheriff" and "Willie and the Hand Jive," but I absolutely love "Motherless Children" and especially "Let It Grow"). After that, though, I will say that things generally do go downhill from there (though I do have a bit of a soft spot for "Lay Down Sally," weirdly enough).

Lone Wanderer Mark II, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

I actually like unplugged

brimstead, Monday, 11 October 2021 20:22 (two weeks ago) link

There was a Clapton documentary on about a month ago and one memorable part had him saying his parents made him cut his hair when he was a teenager, and that ever since then he hadn't trusted anyone.So yeah, some traumas he's working through here, give the man a break, etc.


That’s like the kid who said he was turned alt-right because his mom made him take his diarrhea medicine.

And of course the worms! (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 11 October 2021 20:38 (two weeks ago) link

A bizarre moment in my 10-year-old life -- I briefly got obsessed with the song "Bad Love" and would rewind and play that part of my Journeyman cassette over and over again. Very much a product of that pre-adolescent phase where you start to have an inkling of what having your own music taste is but haven't really figured it out yet, much in the same way as you might start to stare at a girl you think is pretty at that age but have no idea what might be a next step.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 October 2021 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

In my actual adolescence I briefly thought Cream was alright, but the more other music I heard the less good they seemed.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 October 2021 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

diarrhea medicine

I've always thought of Clapton as medicine that *gave* you diarrhea.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

Only just noticed how much of a self-rip that song is from Layla. Even the chord change from the chorus to verse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUbpwNWmjfI

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 October 2021 20:59 (two weeks ago) link

Now that I think about it, Layla, On Tour with Eric Clapton and Blues Breakers with Eric Clapton are the only three Clapton-related albums I enjoy as a whole, and he was a sideman on two of those (though he's easily the best thing about Blues Breakers). I might throw the live Yardbirds album in there too, but regardless, his heyday is ridiculously uneven for a figure of his stature - pretty much everything I'd ever want to hear from Cream is on that 20-track The Very Best of Cream compilation. Luckily he was so prolific that there's more than enough music to fill a truly great box set of those years (1963-1971, and Crossroads was NOT it, even if you clip off the later stuff).

birdistheword, Monday, 11 October 2021 22:55 (two weeks ago) link

I think this is the only blip in the "Clapton sucks after 1970" write-off. Pros And Cons is terrible Waters cringe but Clapton stuck around for the first leg of the tour and hearing him on something like "Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun" where he's forced to be interesting is legit great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIu03Nh-QTk

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 03:44 (two weeks ago) link

What about “it’s in the way that you use it”

xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 04:18 (two weeks ago) link

He used it wrong.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:09 (two weeks ago) link

As I noted above, my angle isn't so much "Clapton sucked after 1970" as it is "Clapton sucked after unveiling his racist side to the world." I stand by this wholeheartedly.

Lone Wanderer Mark II, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 13:37 (two weeks ago) link

So it's more like, "Clapton sucked after August, 1976" then?

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 13:39 (two weeks ago) link

I guess so, yeah. I still admittedly love "461 Ocean Boulevard".

Lone Wanderer Mark II, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 13:41 (two weeks ago) link

Live shows are another thing. The material can be terrible, whether it's the songs or the arrangements, but he can still play well when he cares/tries/exercises good taste for once.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

I guess so, yeah. I still admittedly love "461 Ocean Boulevard".

― Lone Wanderer Mark II

Great, underrated album. Very stoned vibes. It might be my favorite of his.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

Eh...at this point I love blues and blues rock but really why bother much after Cream considering. I'd rather just listen to Freddie King, Magic Sam, Walter Trout, Govt Mule or Rory Gallagher or Buddy Guy. Even of his generation, Jeff Beck and Robin Trower were doing fresher things than old slow hand over the last decade or so.

Only one of EC's later records I have been remotely curious about but not enough to check it out was the one he did with JJ Cale. Never got around to that one, but there are JJ Cale records I have not checked out that are in front of that one.

The live gig DVD reunion with Cream was pretty good, I saw that one.

earlnash, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 16:43 (two weeks ago) link

FWIW, some skeptics have had nice things to say about From the Cradle - it's the one latter day Clapton album that might be worth your time, but as earlnash mentioned, you can find much better blues albums from the last 30 years elsewhere. Buddy Guy alone has done better (check out 2001's Sweet Tea).

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:02 (two weeks ago) link

I will second the praise for the Cream reunion DVD. Surprisingly quite good, easily the best thing Clapton has done in the last 40 years.

Lone Wanderer Mark II, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

a lot of cream songs have this sort of low key hazy smokiness that i can appreciate on some level, different thing from fully actualized hard rock like zep or sab

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:24 (two weeks ago) link

like, how tom heavy the drumming is on sunshine of your love, it kind of floats above everything while stringing it all along

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:26 (two weeks ago) link

Buddy Guy's Sweet Tea rules. My early Clapton fan pal saw one clip of the Cream reunion and, seeing that Clapton was apparently playing his Strat, shut it right off.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

Not to derail the thread, but this is a very funny skewering of Clapton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFiYTs7EWsU

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

I like fooling people into thinking this is Will Oldham:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awbA-uWHycE

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, some of those sleepy-time "Tulsa" records are harmless...if someone puts them on, I won't object and may even find them pleasant, but they're not something I'd ever want to put on myself.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

Eric Clapton is good ... for me to poop on

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 19:27 (two weeks ago) link

The version of "We're Going Wrong" on that Cream reunion is totally ace. That said, a huge part is that Jack Bruce's voice is sanded into a fine gravel and has such an ache and Ginger Bakers rolling toms are really tasty.

earlnash, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 20:17 (two weeks ago) link


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