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now i got oxbow's "fuck fest" about a million years ago - found it mighty pleasant then - & still do, but never chose to follow up with their later records - are they still on a "what you wanted led zeppelin to sound like" tip or what? - how does their work since compare?? can you help?

bob snoom, Friday, 27 September 2002 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

weren't they on Crippled Dick Hot Wax for a while? strange combination...

gareth (gareth), Friday, 27 September 2002 13:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

they've got a new album out Let Me Be A Woman
haven't heard it
FuckFest languishes in my collection
along with Terminal Cheescake's Angels In Pigtails,
Nice Strong Arm's Reality Bath and other peripheral Reynolds review fodder

Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 27 September 2002 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I have your Terminal Cheesecake record if you dont want it?

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Saturday, 28 September 2002 22:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

oxbow are amazing... a new lp, 'an evil heat' came out on neurosis's 'neurot' label this year, and they've toured the UK twice (the second tour is happening RIGHT NOW)... they played a show at the ICA last night before a crowd equally made up of enthralled and piqued punters, and fart-smelling wasters who seemed to have no shame in spending their spare time heckling eugene from a safe distance. their sound is more abstract now - more lumps of noise hanging in the air waiting to ignite than straight ahead riffs, though the blues sludge is till there, and BOY are these motherfuckers tightbutloose, the noise just putty in their hands. they play metal like its jazz - not overly played, but fractured and fluid. and eugene plays into the arena of performance art with his vocalisations and onstage personae, with more panache and effect than anyone ive ever seen.

'let me be a woman' came out in 1997 or 1995 (can't remember which)... 'an evil heat' is their second release since that album.


stevie, Monday, 30 September 2002 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

They were rather good, yes. Sludge and biiiig space...
This Eugene guy - how come he's eight foot six tall on stage and normal sized off?

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
Is An Evil Heat the album to get?

larssen (larssen), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The new compilation, Love That's Last on Hydra Head, is great, especially since it's a CD/DVD combo pack that includes the Music For Adults documentary and a couple of full-length live sets on the DVD.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Their best album is still Serenade In Red, which came out on SST in 97. An Evil Heat and Love That's Last feel like reiterations of the themes that first showed up on Serenade.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
i'm going to see them tonight! excited!

M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 23 June 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Where else are they touring? Anywhere?

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Saturday, 24 June 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Oxbow's "Fuck Fest" has one awesome run-in groove before the first track.

The rest, vaguely avant garde metal. OK, respected it, liked it even, but never went back.

mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 25 June 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a feeling that they're a live project and function much better that way. But I've never seen them live. I dissed them on another board recently ("they suck!") and Eugene responded ("so did your mother") -- we ended up having a very pleasant e-mail exchange. I'll give them another chance based on that and will see them live before I pass judgement on Oxbow completely, but ultimately I think the band is too sonically ordinary.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Sunday, 25 June 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

sonically? so is your mother.


ps....hahahahah....sorry. that was too easy to pass up.

"sonically ordinary"? hahahahah...oh man....if you've heard a better record than The Narcotic Story this year well I'd like to listen to it...so please feel free to recommend...


oxbow, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

The Battles record is better. But that's it.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link

^ lololololol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link


Serenade in Red
An Evil Heat
Narcotic Story

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

how not to be a pussy, by eugene oxbow!


M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 30 August 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
ten months pass...

Listening to Let Me Be A Woman right now.

unperson, Friday, 27 March 2009 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

always a good decision.

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 March 2009 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link

That Fight books is pretty great. I wish that the Travel Channel would have a Dhani Travels The Globe And Plays Sports-stylee show with Eugene Robinson Travelling The Globes And Starts Fights With People.

Alex in SF, Friday, 27 March 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

russell crowe got there first.


m the g, Friday, 27 March 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link

tbf eugene would wreck russell crowe

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 March 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link

indeed. and I'd pay handsomely to see it.

m the g, Friday, 27 March 2009 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

listening to a live clip of theirs on youtube and can't help but think it's a Shred vid.

jaxon, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Has anyone read Robinson's second book? It's some Crews/Spillane/Leonard hardboiled caper affair.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

hey, Oxbow came here! And was cool about it.

Mark G, Friday, 19 February 2010 11:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Eugene should post here on the reg

Originoo Golf Clappaz (DJ Mencap), Friday, 19 February 2010 11:47 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I love An Evil Heat

is breads of india still tite (admrl), Sunday, 18 July 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Giving Fuckfest a spin after seeing it mentioned in another thread earlier..feeling it.

Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 11 November 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

listening to a live clip of theirs on youtube and can't help but think it's a Shred vid.

― jaxon, Monday, August 3, 2009 10:37 PM


frogman henry rollins (am0n), Thursday, 11 November 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Eugene's new Lando Calrissian look is awesome.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

haha yeah i thought that too

i got up the courage to introduce myself once after seeing oxbow, he was really nice and personable even after being super intimidating onstage for an hour+

om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

they're playing here next month (oxbow not black face)

big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

nine months pass...

But alas Black Face has broken up.

Meantime Eugene has a duet with Lydia Lunch on the new Strings of Consciousness album, "Home is Where the Hurt Is." It is appropriately evil, melodramatic and threatening sounding.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry, make that "Hurt Is Where the Home is."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

eugene's having an online sale of stuff


My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 21:36 (ten years ago) link

I was just listening to "12 Galaxies" the acoustic live record a couple of days ago, so good. I am always a bit surprised how effectively they are able to convey heaviness and menace in an acoustic setting.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 21:43 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

The Thin Black Duke being mastered today. This album has been 'coming soon' for ages now but maybe this time we're finally getting somewhere.

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Thursday, 17 December 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...


moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:44 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

The Thin Black Duke being mastered today. This album has been 'coming soon' for ages now but maybe this time we're finally getting somewhere.
Year and a half later and it's fucking brilliant.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 6 May 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link

yeah this record rules

adam, Monday, 8 May 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link

can't wait to hear it
thought this was interesting, them using such a big-time producer for such strange music (wish more underground bands valued production this much)


I was going to wait to listen it until my lp arrived but I couldn't wait and streamed it this wknd, a great record.

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 8 May 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link

The impression I got from the new Quietus interview is Chiccarelli wasn't their first choice, they wanted Visconti

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 8 May 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link

Said interview:


Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 May 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link

I do love this bit:

Eugene S Robinson: I’ve been kinda thinking about this idea that records made early in the careers of people who make music, a lot of the time and especially in the idiom in which we’re working, they’re a product of hysteria. They’re largely akin to somebody rushing in and screaming, ‘Your apartment’s on fire!’ or ‘Your car’s on fire!’ or some variation thereof. Most of the time, if you live life beyond the initial records, in your actual lives, you could functionally say, ‘Take it easy. Things are going to be OK.’ And then they go on to the next record where they try to duplicate that experience of hysteria from the first record. The difference is that if you look at 30 years of record-making, eventually you evolve into a non-hysterical orientation about life – but it’s no less crucial… because it all ends the same fucking way. I don’t find that joyful at all. I don’t find the prospect of it, just because it happens to everybody else – I’d like to recall Yossarian from Catch-22 – how can that possibly make a difference, that it happens to everybody else?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 May 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link

An announcement (via Eugene's FB account):

As promised: a THIN BLACK BOOK announcement.

The plan was this: extremely LIMITED edition of a companion volume to THIN BLACK DUKE, an 80-plus page deep dive treatise. A third would be sold to the people who most immediately backed it, a third would be sold during the European tour and the remaining third would be sold at our soon-to-be announced American shows.

BUT we undersold in countries where English is not the primary language AND we now realize that because of the way we have to tour America (Friday-Saturday-Sunday fly-out jaunts until we cover the entire country), we'd have to warehouse the remainder, which is something specifically WE DO NOT want to do.

SO....the 67 books we have? We will sell. PayPal $25 to Pinko95014 at yahoo dot com ($20 more if you live outside of America).

Orders that actually have shipping addresses? Will get shipped first. And orders will be shipped weekly.

This offer is only good until July 1st, 2017. If the books all sell before then, your money will be refunded. And if you hate PayPal hidden cash, checks and money orders can be sent to CFY, PO Box 19271, Stanford, Ca. 94309.

No stupid questions. Now tell the world.

The book is fantastic; I highly recommend buying one

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 01:06 (seven years ago) link

I just sent in $25... Hope I make the cut!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 05:40 (seven years ago) link

Yeah the book is very cool. I am glad that in this era of ephemeral digital collections that Oxbow really went all out making a physical artifact.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

this album is really something i hope ppl pay attention to it

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link

next in line to say this album fucking rules.

I just missed them play in London cos I was away. They're playing Supersonic in Birmingham in June it seems, but I can't see anyone is gonna put them on again in London then. That can't be right, surely.

kraudive, Saturday, 20 May 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link

Philly show in July! Woo!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 20 May 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link

agreed, this record is fantastic - had a really good listen this afternoon. friend was saying that live suffered from a lack of the album horns and strings (which obv wasn't a problem for the previous albums).

Fizzles, Friday, 2 June 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

Saw them live and finally bought the vinyl

This is so amazing sounding

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

Okay, this live album with Peter Brotzmann is phenomenal.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link

really looking forward to listening to this. i’ve been caning the narcotic story recently. amazing album.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 21:45 (one year ago) link

As a big Oxbow & Brotz fan I am amazed that it is even better than I expected (now if only the physical copies would ship...)

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link

(now if only the physical copies would ship...)

I've emailed the label twice and gotten no response. I'm getting cranky.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:39 (one year ago) link

Huh, I ordered the CD along with a few other albums through the Trost bandcamp on October 31st and got it about a week or so ago.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:56 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I didn't order it from Trost, unfortunately — they said Sleeping Giant Glossolalia was putting out a US CD version, so I ordered that one.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 1 December 2022 00:10 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

As a big Oxbow & Brotz fan I am amazed that it is even better than I expected (now if only the physical copies would ship...)

finally getting round to this - it’s really excellent.

Fizzles, Sunday, 1 January 2023 13:38 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Long story short I finally got my lp copy last night and it sounds great, still kind of can't believe it exists

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

"Love's Holiday" out in July

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:58 (one year ago) link

New single out today, "Icy White & Crystalline." Sounds like a forgotten DGC band from the 90s. Love it.


but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 15:04 (one year ago) link

Nice, super excited for this.

As a side note, I went to go pre-order this from Ipecac's bandcamp page and thought I'd also grab that Dave Lombardo album. It's sold out on every format already, LP, CD, everything. It came out May 5th - that seems insanely fast. It appears I can get it from Amazon, so whatever, but I'd rather than money go to the label than Bezos. Anyway, I'm seeing that a lot more frequently lately that labels are selling out of things really quickly. The new Blood Ceremony being another example - just released on May 5th and every format (LP and CD) completely sold out on Rise Above's website. Are that many labels just doing miniscule runs these days? Just seems a bad look for a hyped new album to be completely sold out from the source less that two weeks post release.

I guess just a good reminder to make sure you snag something the instant you see a pre-order pop up.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link

This happens a lot! It’s frustrating.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link

you gotta preorder before the band even forms

It is super frustrating. I get things like the exclusive, limited vinyl colors getting snatched up right away, but I'm seeing it way too often for literally every physical format. Oh you wanted a copy of that album that came out last week? Too late, you missed it!

I can only imagine how frustrating it has to be for a band...

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

had a great first listen to Love’s Holiday just now, after prepping by going back through their albums this week (v rewarding). Dead Ahead is a great opener/single, and it’s an amusing approach how after the first two tracks they move p much exclusively into their slow, stygian power mode.

i like the continuing move into melodic ballad trappings, even if a couple of times i had a fleeting sense of more recent nick cave (not a fan). but choral and keyboard set off the muscular torment and pent-up force. it *sounds* great. the group are in v good form and looking forward to seeing them in september.

Fizzles, Saturday, 22 July 2023 10:32 (eleven months ago) link

I love the new album, it is Numinous and Forbidding in all the best ways

imago, Saturday, 22 July 2023 10:33 (eleven months ago) link

yep agreed.

Fizzles, Saturday, 22 July 2023 10:34 (eleven months ago) link

also the track titles are some of the best I've seen in a while. how has no band begun an album with 'Dead Ahead' before

imago, Saturday, 22 July 2023 10:35 (eleven months ago) link

thankfully the song does that title justice

imago, Saturday, 22 July 2023 10:36 (eleven months ago) link

five months pass...

as a means of saying sorry to Fizzles I am getting into their earlier stuff

King Of The Jews is fantastic. Angel is one of the great rock songs maybe

imago, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 10:44 (five months ago) link

Eugene pls log back into ILX btw, that was fun

imago, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 10:46 (five months ago) link

King of the Jews is I think my favourite.

Fizzles, Friday, 19 January 2024 11:23 (five months ago) link

you know when they describe a modern album as fire and brimstone because it's kind of noisy, yet kind of trad, and kind of fearsome? yeah well those albums aren't fire and brimstone, this is

imago, Friday, 19 January 2024 12:47 (five months ago) link

five months pass...


unclear to me what on the tour triggered this but it sounds like oxbow is over for the foreseeable - eugene has quit.

Fizzles, Sunday, 7 July 2024 20:51 (five days ago) link

My reading is that it's more of an intra-band dispute than a "touring sucks when you're over 60" thing, but who knows, honestly?

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 7 July 2024 21:10 (five days ago) link

i think that about sums it up, yes.

Fizzles, Sunday, 7 July 2024 21:17 (five days ago) link

xpost I don't think the "I hope the people who need help get the help they need" part at the end could be any more clear

Losing both Oxbow and Shellac in the same yr, two of the bands I looked up to the most, is deflating

Also, def intra-band dispute

Buñuel, Eugene's other band, has an album coming out in the US (finally) this yr on Skin Graft and they are great

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 8 July 2024 13:17 (four days ago) link

Good reminder to listen to the ones I've not heard yet.

My open DM to Eugene: find some mad zoomers and let them be your backing band for an album or two. It'll be wild

imago, Monday, 8 July 2024 13:28 (four days ago) link

I have all the previous Buñuel records and am definitely looking forward to the new one.

I actually emailed Eugene after reading the newsletter; here was the advice I offered:

1) Don't ever tell any more of the story than you just did. No "music journalist" deserves to earn a byline off of your pain, especially not in the current devalued/degraded environment.

2) Don't start another band. Become an itinerant guest star. Show up on other people's records for fun and/or a quick buck. But the music industry's collapsing too (ask me how my micro-indie label's going), so why throw your own money down the sewer? For "Art"?

3) Write more. Fiction especially. It's my observation that "literary" fiction offers the world nothing at all; meanwhile, "genre" fiction is where you'll find serious analysis of the world as it actually exists, tucked in between murders and sex scenes. Read S.A. Cosby (Razorblade Tears, Blacktop Wasteland, All The Sinners Bleed) and Jordan Harper (She Rides Shotgun and The Last King Of California) and you'll see what I mean. There's a lane there that you could slot yourself into pretty easily, especially from overseas. Europeans have a voracious appetite for Americans shit-talking America, in my experience, so a series of crime novels would likely find a sizable audience, even in translation.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 8 July 2024 13:33 (four days ago) link

All good advice tbh. Hiring some mad zoomers to make some bonkers backing music won't cost much if anything anyway so it isn't even like starting a band in a way

I thought about 'write more' myself as he's clearly a brilliant writer. I'm also certain he's considering it anyway

imago, Monday, 8 July 2024 13:42 (four days ago) link

(as for the merits of literary fiction, this isn't the thread, and what you said is probably in line with Eugene's thinking)

imago, Monday, 8 July 2024 13:43 (four days ago) link

Eugene replied to my email, and while I won't be quoting his words here, I will say that very serious and credible allegations have apparently been made against another member of Oxbow. The story seems likely to come out at some point.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 8 July 2024 18:54 (four days ago) link

ugh, this is just sad. obviously glad allegations are being taken seriously, but I feel bad for Eugene. glad he's got Bunuel loaded up for another album.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 July 2024 19:17 (four days ago) link

"I hope the people who need help get the help they need" hinted at either drugs or some kind of assault (sexual or otherwise) allegations imo.

Gutted about Oxbow although the last time I saw them was the worst show I ever saw them play. It was still amazing, obviously, but not nearly up to their own high standards.

Buñuel were great when I saw them though, and a more than capable substitute going forward.

Overtoun House windows (aldo), Monday, 8 July 2024 20:40 (four days ago) link

Oxbow’s FB shared a post from Niko who says it’s him. I feel Eugene is taking the allegations more seriously than the impression I got from that.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 12 July 2024 09:22 (three hours ago) link

he’s put some much emotional, creative and intellectual work into the demarcations around violence and sex, it’s no surprise that he’s taking them seriously and expects others in oxbow to do the same. the first part of his post shows how painful it is to him, how important wenner has been to realising his vision of Oxbow out of the very lowest points of his life.

Fizzles, Friday, 12 July 2024 10:28 (two hours ago) link

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