HOLGER CZUKAY

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Looking for information regarding this artist--is his work easily found/ordered? What would you consider his best work? Etc...

Ashley Andel, Thursday, 26 September 2002 05:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

www.spoonrecords.com - hie thee hence :).

Damian (Damian), Thursday, 26 September 2002 08:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There's a track called Blessed Easter that samples the Pope and has a video with holger nicking his wallet. Bud I've never seena copy for sale which is annoying.

I have the album he did with The Edge and Jah Wobble which is quite good but seems a bit clever, like My Life In The Bush of Ghosts vut not as good tune-wise.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 26 September 2002 08:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

canaxis (an early pre-can piece) and movies (his 1st? post can) are both lovely. movies also has 'cool in the pool' - a wonderfully silly thing full of tape samples.

phil turnbull (philT), Thursday, 26 September 2002 08:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

holger also maintains his own site at
www.czukay.de

like the others said - 'movies', 'canaxis' and 'rome remains rome' (feat. blessed easter) are all worth checking. as is just about all his work with can of course :) more recently 'good morning story' had it's moments. top bloke - in his sixties now i believe and still doin' it.

noel i (noel_immitz), Thursday, 26 September 2002 09:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

How do you pronounce Czukay? Seriously, I don't know. I'm thick as mince, me.

Microkomputer (Microkomputer), Thursday, 26 September 2002 09:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I always presumed the C was silent.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 26 September 2002 10:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

pronounced chookay

leigh (leigh), Thursday, 26 September 2002 10:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Chookay..............chookay.............chooooooookkkkaaaaaayyyyy.

Yeah, I like that. Nice one, thankyou.

Microkomputer (Microkomputer), Thursday, 26 September 2002 10:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

BUT it's a very soft "ch" and a very scottish "ay" - i.e. "tshoo-kai" is closer (I have a tape of a radio broadcast where he said his name)

Search: the Movies LP

Jeff W (Jeff W), Thursday, 26 September 2002 11:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Der Osten ist Rot is quite bad. I like the guitar sound on some of the other albums, but the spoken/sung parts are very annoying.

DeRayMi, Thursday, 26 September 2002 12:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Also, if I recall correctly, his first name is a hard "G" (i.e., not a soft 'j' sound).

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 28 September 2002 23:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's pronounced "oolzhar zukky"

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 28 September 2002 23:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

mark s is pronounced "oolgmgzne sutaejk"

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 28 September 2002 23:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

geeta is pronounced "brittany chyenne"

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 September 2002 00:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

eat a dick jess!!

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 29 September 2002 00:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that's not how you say my last name!! and you got the order wrong!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 September 2002 00:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

jess this thread is about 'holger czukay', you're ruining it

only donut bitch can save us now

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 29 September 2002 00:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

donut bitch is pronounced "cunning linguistics"

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 29 September 2002 18:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

geeta is actually pronounced "always thinks i'm making fun of her when i'm not."

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 September 2002 18:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Pronounced "Leh-Nerd Skin-nerd."

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 29 September 2002 18:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"awww-tech-err"

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 September 2002 18:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
taking sides: Rome Remains Rome vs. DJ Pica Pica Pica

Rome Remains Rome is so fucking great esp the aforementioned Pope song thing and the frist tracks on both sides: Hey Baba Reebop, Hit Hit Flop Flop

I sometimes wish he was a little less enamoured with spoken vocal samples though. The rest of the second side does drag a bit.

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my cassette dub of Rome trims 'Perfect World' down to about 4 minutes with rude pause edits. the last track is outstanding though.

I love the vocal samples, though they're the best on Movies.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 21:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
what language is the woman singing in in the samples (are they samples?) on Boat-Woman-Song and what is that kind of singing called (if anything)?

jed_ (jed), Monday, 9 October 2006 23:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"featuring 2 unknown traditional singers from Vietnam on 'Boat Woman-Song' "

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 00:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

thanks jaxon - was going crazy trying to find my copy of david sylvian's "alchemy" (which uses the same samples). surely i haven't sold it at some point?

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 00:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

er, sorry for digressing, b-b-but -- what was that thread called again where the pronunciations of different artists' were discussed?
just tried to search it, couldn't find tho :(
how, 'frinstance, d'ya pronounce dave pajo's family name... ?

(well czukay's oftentimes great. i have and love rome remains rome & canaxis, too:)

tiit (tiit), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 19:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(...the pronunciations of different artists' names, even)

tiit (tiit), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 19:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

first post (haiku)

"ode to perfume" is
perfect for four o'clock
in the morning-time, christ

hello ilx/m

kartsaklis, Friday, 4 April 2008 09:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh man, I caught my breath there, thought he might have died!

Tom D., Friday, 4 April 2008 09:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha sorry for that...

kartsaklis, Friday, 4 April 2008 09:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah - had the same reaction
better not revive any threads on old german rockers these days

baaderonixx, Friday, 4 April 2008 09:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

true that. rip klaus.

kartsaklis, Friday, 4 April 2008 09:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Phew!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 4 April 2008 14:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

hahahah @ my last post

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 4 April 2008 14:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Let's Get Cool in the Pool!

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

He was in London, or maybe he isn't here yet? Anyway, Time Out described him as being 61 years old... err, try adding another on 10 years, guys.

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/holger-czukay-the-roundhouse-london-1687693.html

it was a good gig apart from the posh teenagers doing coke and acting like twats.

but that's late noughties Camden for you....

<looks at camera with a shrug>

Hamildan, Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

but that's late noughties Camden for you....

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

Can we also get hot in the dancing spot?

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Donkey's mouth, full of hay...

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 21 May 2009 11:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Holger Czukay - He was there, at the first Can show in Cologne

Hamildan, Thursday, 21 May 2009 16:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

No he wasn't, Bobby Gillespie was

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 16:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

boat woman song is kicking my ass today my friends

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 21 May 2009 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

recently garnered copies of Rome Remains Rome and On the Way to the Peak of Normal, which still kick, too.

beta blog, Thursday, 21 May 2009 17:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

I know I've said this on noise threads before but

Canaxis / Movies / On The Way To The Peak of Normal / (most of) Der Osten Ist Rot / Rome Remains Rome = absolutely amazing and I come back to them all the time

collaborations Les Vampyrettes, Full Circle, Plight & Premonition = also too good

some good moments on Moving Pictures & Good Morning Story and I love Berlin Techno (the more anonymous the better) so I love the SF section from Clash. you'd better be a pretty big fan if you're curious about the three albums he's put out with U-She / Ursa Major. but he's in the category where his good ones are so good, I can't sell any of it back

Milton Parker, Thursday, 21 May 2009 18:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

Is Canaxis the only thing he's done that's like Canaxis?

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 21 May 2009 18:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Also is that David Sylvian thing up to much?

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 21 May 2009 18:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

if you love Canaxis you will love Plight & Premonition (the first one with Sylvian). it's a little more traditionally tonal / ambient, less alien abstract, but it just sets an incredible mood. apart from Canaxis, this is the only thing that's like that record that's as good (side 2 of Good Morning Story has a 22 minute ambient shortwave piece I remember not working as well)

the second one with Sylvian is ok but it's more two seperate pieces, worked better as an LP, one drifty ethno-percussion piece & one weepy guitar-wall piece, heavier on the Sylvian polish than the Czukay strangeness. good though.

If you like Canaxis I recommend Tod Dockstader's 'Aerial 1' & you probably saw this thread

Milton Parker, Thursday, 21 May 2009 18:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

rip :(

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 00:55 (two months ago) Permalink

RIP :( <3

Dancing on the Pylons, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:20 (two months ago) Permalink

Another one down ...

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:51 (two months ago) Permalink

A great loss. :(

yesca, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 02:00 (two months ago) Permalink

This makes me sad. I knew he wasn't in good health but still. In addition to being a genius, Czukay was such a titanic influence on so many geniuses.

Gonna spin Persian Love for my man this evening.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:30 (two months ago) Permalink

Back in my graduate school years, I was hosting a show on the local college radio station. I never, never got calls from people listening saying anything in regards to what I was playing. One night, I got a call from a listener asking about a song I had played. He was a music teacher he told me that he really liked the bassline of a song he'd heard because he thought it would be a great introductory song to his students learning the bass guitar. I told him it was "She Brings the Rain" by Can and thanked him.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 05:13 (two months ago) Permalink

From an album Holger & Jaki go full tilt on, something they often did live but less so in the studio...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zKl3S-Ousw

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 08:25 (two months ago) Permalink

the dum-dum, the dsda, the daddy. rip hc

plp will eat itself (NickB), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 08:54 (two months ago) Permalink

just the absolute greatest spirit behind what he did, so loveable as well as everything else, he had a fkn awesome life

ogmor, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:12 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh man, his wife had died in July. :(

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:15 (two months ago) Permalink

RIP

I don't like any of Can dying, because they were gods in my formative years.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:18 (two months ago) Permalink

and she was only 55 apparently

plp will eat itself (NickB), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:18 (two months ago) Permalink

Xp obv

plp will eat itself (NickB), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:18 (two months ago) Permalink

That's from the Guardian obit which also mentions that 'Irwin Schmidt and Malcolm Moody' recently played in London, don't know who those guys are though.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:19 (two months ago) Permalink

RIP Holger. I was sad he didn't play at the show the Guardian made a hash of reporting on earlier this year.

André Ryu (Neil S), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Strange days as Holger wanders out at the end of "Never Going to Cry Again" to play his trademark elephant-in-distress French horn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2rRLc1Dmv4

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:39 (two months ago) Permalink

This track is from a recording session with Jah Wobble where the only bit he used from the entire session was Wobble tuning up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cXshWlOkc4

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:46 (two months ago) Permalink

oh wow first Walter Becker, now Holger - damn. Really feels like the closing of an era.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 10:20 (two months ago) Permalink

Can was my gateway drug out of a fairly claustrophobic indie rock environment in the early 90s. Holger was the linchpin and I'd expect that my musical tastes would be so much more narrow if it weren't for the massive appeal that his work had (and continues to have) for me. RIP.

doug watson, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 10:31 (two months ago) Permalink

What's his best solo album?

JB, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Movies, I'm guessing.

I've been looking for a copy of "On the way to the peak of normal" off and on the past year. Just bit one and got it off ebay just now.

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:13 (two months ago) Permalink

i feel sad for irmin :(
can't even get his name spelled right in the paper!

Maybe about 12 years ago, Holger Czukay's name was stuck in my head for several days during a period of extreme stress, just cycling through every time i had an idle moment. Over and over and over, Holger Czukay. Persistent like a bassline, RIP

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:33 (two months ago) Permalink

RIP

Dominique, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:43 (two months ago) Permalink

What's his best solo album?

Movies is his most impressive, seems like a real technical and musical achievement, does that make it his best? I don't know. I like all of his albums, there's only a couple I haven't heard, they're inconsistent but they're always interesting - I don't think he could be boring if he tried.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Movies is definitely his Can - iest solo record right? Most of the band is on it anyway ... Was listening to "Persian Love" on repeat this morning, so gorgeous.

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:14 (two months ago) Permalink

On the Way to the Peak of Normal is the one I come back to the most.

nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:19 (two months ago) Permalink

just saw this news, this really sucks - rip big man, hope he, jaki and michael are jamming in heaven

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:32 (two months ago) Permalink

ON the Way To The Peak of Normal is pretty sublime.
It got reissued on cd a few years ago so I picked it up cheaply in HMV.
Movies seems to have been reissued as Movie with a bonus disc, not sure what.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:44 (two months ago) Permalink

from the obituary thread:

Jesus, losing the CAN rhythm section is like one of the laws of physics being rescinded.

new noise, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Movies is definitely his Can - iest solo record right? Most of the band is on it anyway ... Was listening to "Persian Love" on repeat this morning, so gorgeous

"Oh Lord, Give Us More Money" uses Can backing tracks - sounds like the base material for "Hunters and Collectors" - but apart from Jaki, he plays everything else, which is pretty mindblowing."Radio Wave Surfer", an album I admittedly haven't heard in years, always seemed pretty Can-like: live(ish), improvised. Everyone is on it but Irmin, Sheldon Ancel is doing his sub-Mooney thing and Holger is back to playing old style Can bass, like he hadn't done since "Future Days" or thereabouts.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:05 (two months ago) Permalink

... plays everything else on "Movies" that is. Reebop is on "Cool in the Pool" playing organ!

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:08 (two months ago) Permalink

Geeta's memorial piece is up.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/remembering-cans-holger-czukay.html

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:01 (two months ago) Permalink

that's great.
anyone know when Rob Young's Can bio is scheduled to come out? Looking forward to it.

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:08 (two months ago) Permalink

curses -- not out til next summer: https://www.amazon.com/Untitled-Can-Biography-Irmin-Schmidt/dp/0571311490

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Also a good piece from Sid Smith: http://teamrock.com/feature/2017-09-06/remebering-holger-czukay

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:31 (two months ago) Permalink

there isn't a SINGLE Steely Can mashup on Youtube. surprising.

scott seward, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:54 (two months ago) Permalink

there is some mercy in the universe

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:02 (two months ago) Permalink

RIP.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:39 (two months ago) Permalink

:(
When I saw the thread had been bumped earlier, I immediately thought 'Oh shit, please say this isn't an RIP revive'.
RIP for real.

Bobbins The Mule (Mr Andy M), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:41 (two months ago) Permalink

aw, RIP

a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Great interview with Paul Murphy from Bison who worked with him and recorded at Inner Space, some fab photos of his studio. http://testpressing.org/feature/paul-murphy-bison-at-innerspace/

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:59 (two months ago) Permalink

oh, nice photos!

plp will eat itself (NickB), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:07 (two months ago) Permalink

Excellent.

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:30 (two months ago) Permalink

I've listened to Movies, Peak Of Normal, Der Osten Ist Rot, Rome Remains Rome more than any Can

pretty much all of the side-projects during this time are also great, Full Circle, Vampyrettes, Phew, Plight and Premonition. Snake Charmer is just ok.

not to be redundant with all my fanboy posts upthread but you do have to be careful to hunt down original editions, his recent 'reissues' of the solo albums on Groenland are profoundly remixed and on all counts less adventurous than the originals

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:59 (two months ago) Permalink

& this post definitely overlaps with upthread obsessing but this guy was Holger... wouldn't recommend starting with any of the later ones, but being a completist goes like this:

Radio Wave Surfer has moments, the old gang minus Irmin shows up to record. the results stay more jams than songs, not bad if not classic

Moving Pictures is lovely downtempo, the songs on side one in particular are polished & tranquil. side two 'rhythms of a secret life' is an epic in the mold of 'ode to perfume' but the main guitar line is slightly more diffuse and Sheldon Ancel is singing dramatic lyrics about cyberspace circa 1993

Crash - 2 CD live album with Dr Walker. some fellow Czukay fans find Dr Walker's beats too generic but if you've ever liked any Cologne/Berlin 90's techno, then there is that fine line between 'generic' and 'life-giving water'. some techno fans also might resist Czukay anarchically covering everything with loose shortwave sampling & dictophone noise bursts throughout -- you can't dance to this, but the subset of fans of techno and noise are much greater in 2017 than they were in 1997, so I keep thinking this one's a sleeper (though it's definitely a document of a wild improv more than a polished studio thing like 'movies'. I saw the concert in SF and it was live without a net

Linear City - a record that grew out of file submissions & internet collaborations, cut together by Czukay, has moments

Good Morning Story - he starts sampling old Can records on this one, and using drum machines & synths to produce the new songs -- his bizarre sense of rhythm, off-beat timing & reconstruction is in ways even more in evidence when he is using the ultra-familiar Can sources. side two one long piece, layered shortwave, canaxis-esque but also audibly the first time he used a keyboard with a sampler

La Luna - single track late night jam, drum machine metronomic pulse with lots of shortwave, forgot that I never actually bought this one

New Millenium, Time and Tide, 21st Century - the three records with U-She. the emphasis here is largely on her songwriting, and the studio production is on modern equipment. New Millenium has a few tracks with his trademark disruptive editing, Time and Tide has one particularly crazy love duet that makes me smile

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Been listening to "Moving Pictures" today, great album. Sheldon Ancel is something of an acquired taste, which many don't feel like acquiring, but he's so eerie and effective on "Rhythms of a Secret Life".

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:05 (two months ago) Permalink

alas, another of the great ones i never got to see/hear in person.

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Listened to "Cutaway" this am ... what a great, completely incongruous track. The bits with Holger talking thru the ring modulator are LOL funny. "I must TOOO-OOON!"

Per Milton's post, Full Circle was one of my very big faves for a long time. The How Much Are They EP is unfuckwithable -- and the two radio sessions are really good as well (if a slight bit less essential). This is probably Wobble's best non-PIL recording, FWIW.

I have less patience for Sheldon Ancel but I still wish I hadn't sold Radio Wave Surfer. Dumb dumb dumb.

Also: while I enjoy their two ambient collaborations, don't sleep on Holger's contributions to David Sylvian's solo debut Brilliant Trees. Holger's shortwave (and vocals!) add an air of mystery to an already excellent, and smoothly eclectic, record.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:35 (two months ago) Permalink

Must..Put..This.Here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo54P5Z6vhg

susan.

Mark G, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Just saw this in Biba Kopf's (really great) 1984 interview with Holger that's free on RBP right now:

The ancient bathchair that is a prop in 'The Photo Song' takes up a comer of Czukay's kitchen.

"I have just turned 46," volunteers Holger, while making tea. "Still too young to marry! Ha ha. When I'm 80 I will get married and this bathchair will be the present to my wife!"

https://www.rocksbackpages.com/Library/Article/holger-czukay-the-lunatic-has-taken-over-the-asylum

Alas, neither he nor his wife made it to his 80th birthday. 😢

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 10 September 2017 04:20 (two months ago) Permalink


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