Cardiacs: Classic or Dud?

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Indie noisemakers since the late seventies. Unfairly ignored or deservedly overlooked?

Phil A., Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I ordered a CD of theirs once. It was on order for weeks so I gave up.

Josh, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

2nd half of Cardiacs Live: total classic. The rest: whatever. Boy I first read this one as The *Cardigans*: Classic or Dud. ;)

Omar, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i was going to ask this one at some point. strangely the cardiacs were quite popular at my school when i was about 13/14, something which i never did understand. (it was the baggy era...although in any era would have been strange)

i have a bit of a soft spot for them, but don't really remember anything they did. all their songs seemed to be called things like 'a man and a house and a big window'

could we turn this into a search and destroy, because i've just decided to buy some cardiacs records.

gareth, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They were oddly popular at my school as well, at about the same time. Virtually everyone I knew who also liked the sort of stuff I was into at the time (Pixies, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Fugazi, baggy stuff, fraggle) had an inexplicable love of the Cardiacs. I hated them myself at the time; all that wacky proggery and pomposity were intolerable to my 15 year old self. I was re-exposed to them a couple of years ago after meeting another crazed fan but I still couldn't understand what the attraction was. So I'm afraid it has to be DUD.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Repulsively dud. Idiotic prog-wacky for the lower sixth.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

From what I've heard from some people in the know, Sing to God would be one to search (both parts).

Josh, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I quite liked their HEAVEN BORN AND EVER BRIGHT album, not least for the single "Day is Gone," but absolutely EVERYTHING they've done since (`92/`93 or so) has been virtually unlistenable. Masturbatory to a fault. Still, I suppose I can't play that fast or in odd time signatures, so I should pipe down then.

alex in nyc, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Just cos they play in weird time sigs doesn't make them prog. And they are not in the least bit pompous. If you've ever heard Tim Smith talking, he is a surprisingly unpretentious man. All that weird stuff just comes straight out of his strange little head and has more to do with very childish sensibilities rather than from any Yes-style drugged-up indulgence.

That said, what I've heard of "Archive Cardiacs" is painful in the extreme ("A must for all collectors of toneless drivel" according to the bands own sampler CD), so destroy that. Search the two minutes and thirteen seconds of perfection that is "To go off and things". At the very least it scared Radio 1's Simon Mayo, so that should count for something.

Phil A., Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud! No doubt about it. The absolute worst gig I have ever seen (and I've been to plenty of gigs, bad or otherwise)was The Cardiacs and Levitation way back in 1992 or thereabouts. Not only did I have to suffer the sub prog rock bilge that Levitation insisted on playing, but then I had to endure an hour or so of the godawful, psuedo alternative bollocks that The Cardiacs pass off as music. Oh the horror!

Eamonn, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

we just won't forgive or forget - they are DUD beyond DUD

Eamonn - im having a bad week - but looking forward to saturday's party !

Geordie Racer, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Cardiacs have never fitted into any of those categories bandied above... first and foremost they write superbly catchy pop songs; as for odd timesigs and strange structures - why the hell not? There are some good samples of reletively recent stuff here, so rather than relying on ancient memories of a gig eight years ago, have a listen: http://www.cardiacs.com/button.html - that includes an example of poppier, more 'normal' stuff and two exerpts of the more Zappa-ish tracks (which are still insanely catchy, and thankfully lacking the Zappa wackyness) Then there's a dozen tracks at http://www.mp3.com/cardiacs - try 'Blind In Safety' and say that isnt something delicate and beautiful

Its true, Cardiacs are the least pompous band on the planet. They may be the most emotional... try listening to them more than once, you may notice that part of it. They are just plain unique, so don't come with a blueprint for listening - everyone gets something diffent out of them, hence such a wide range of gig goers

There's an album just out of quieter moments called 'Cardiacs And Affectionate Friends', with various solo stuff from Bic (Levitation), William D Drake and the Sea Nymphs... Of course Cardiacs are classic, someone described them recently as 'the finest band to walk the face of the earth' (which was nice)

Marina, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
I think they are bleeding brilliant. And if other people hate them it just means that it'll be easier to get to the bar at gigs... I don't care if they're not top of the pops material, I don't get the royalties.

A.Fish, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

my flatmate has a Cardiacs scarf and glove set!

He doesn't care that they sound like a riot in a fairground.

chris, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wait wait wait. How could sounding like a riot in a fairground possibly NOT be classic?

Rebecca, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hah! Great one line reveiw. The only bad thing about Cardiacs is that they're the only band that sound remotely like that, which is a bit of a responsibility.

Marina organ, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have "Heaven Born & Ever Bright". I like it a lot. I especially like putting it in the computer CD slot when playing "Quake". this = frightening. Bits of it sound like stranglers 33 1/3 lp played @ 78rpm, which is good. I also have "Is this the Life" (something like that anyway) on cassette somewhere. This is a really good number which sounds like proto-faith-no-more. Also, they supported Blur at some fottie stadium gig, and indie kidz were reportedly running away w/fingers in ears. I like this idea as well. From this admittedly small sampling i would say classic. Also one of levitation was in them and levitation ruled. Whatever happened to dark star anyway?

Norman Phay, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Blimey, this is still going! A year ago when I started this thread, I was so upset by the responses it got, I fled ILM never to return...what an absolute wuss. I stand by everything I said though, Cardiacs rock my tiny little world.

They supported Blur at their big Mile End Indiefest, as I recall. Damian Allbran always sites them as a major influence, although you never know with Blurboy whether it's just something he says to prove his uniqueness. The only other band to really take Cardiac-worship into the mainstream were Ultrasound, and for all their freaky- outsider posturing they were never quite as interesting (Whatever happened to Tiny?)

Popular rumour has it that one editor banned them from the NME. I'd love that to be true, although I've seen the printed review of "Heaven Born" so it seems unlikely.

Phil A, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, come back and do battle! Interesting if you have a look around Lusenet the journo-sheep are slowly being outnumbered by people who actually listen to and get a kick out of music. The NME ban was true - it was apparantly one of the Sutherlands (he looked like a fat old teddy boy) standing in the crowd with his notebook and a grumpy face at the 1994 Eight Day Itch finale. Cardiacs pulled 1400 people but this guy wrote a reveiw to the effect that main support Poisoned Electric Head were the headliners and that everyone in the venue was very stupid and nobody should listen to them. Then a while later a band made Cardiacs their number one band in a 'My Top Ten' feature, but there was a mysterious layout error which meant that their top ten only went to number 2. Ho hum, I overheard someone who should know say 'the NME is in big trouble' at an industry-infested gig this week.

Anyway, you do know about 'Cardiacs Greatest Hits' just out? - lots of nicely remastered tracks and a soaring new one.

Marina the organgrinder, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

phil, this is what andy "tiny" wood is doing at the moment. Marina Organ, I wish you'd post here more often, like.

Norman Phay, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm too busy! Are you subscribed to cardiacs-chat? It's where we're all hiding. Go to http://www.cardiacs.com and follow the link at the top of the page.

marinecreature, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hello. im sorry but anyone who slags off cardiacs has either no understanding of something achiveing true brilliance, or is not mentally advanced enough to understand when something reaches the upmost limits of its evolution.(arent these the same thing?!whoops!!)

they change my life constantly. no one today can touch them.

to be muttered in the same breath as the smiths, dexys, detroit techno, etc etc

del a robbo, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Your music collection sucks without _Sings to God_ .

dagasque, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ahh! Wow! Cardiacs eh? The bestest band! Yum! Not always instantly likable, but if you put a litte effort in and Listen-Very-Carefully your effort will be rewarded.

The Limey Tank, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Xcept for Archive & Guns their other 12+ discs & bootlegs have kept me sane for the last 14 years.

Classic, Classic, CLASSIC

derek welch, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

So are we talking the modern Van Der Graaf Generator or what?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC....BEYOND CLASSIC....INFACT ABSOLUTE GENIUS IN THE EXTREME, OH YES THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT IN ANYONES MIND, JUST PLEASE MAKE THEM PLAY THIS YEAR WHERE I CAN SEE THEM FOR THE FIRT TIME IN 4 YEARS. HAPPINESS AND JOY TO ALL THINGS CARDIACS. OH AND IM ALSO SAD ENOUGH TO HAVE A CARDIACS TATTOO. CHEERS PUPPIES

david sheridon, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

with reference to the bloke with the tattoo engraved on his arm.. i am sure i have saw the sad fucker strolling about Glasgow.. oh as a matter of fact.. i know him very well, he is my boyfriend. In my opinion this is kool.. i seem to find ourselves listening to them during the strangest ritualistic love making sessions. Wont be long before we give birth to a mini cardiac.. demon or angel? CLASSIC

angeline campbell, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

angeline....its an angeldemon darling, full of baby puppy love and dirty dogginess.....spreading happiness and joy on land and in the sea. ps..to all other cardiacs fans, you will be invited to our wedding to worship and praise all that is CLASSIC!!!!!!

david sheridon, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cor! Can I come! I seem to miss all the weddings... You're not the only person with a Cardiacs tattoo - Adrian Bell (Belch of Sheffield United mad hitcher fame) has one Talking of which have you seen his book called Fever hitch - It has a big picture of Tim Smith in it... heh heh heh

marinecreature, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

everyones welcome as long we all chip in to get cardiacs to play a 3 hour set and get william d. drake to perform the ceremony.....now that would be cool. mandi apple has got the tattoo as well. has anyone got a copy of seaside treats on video, as i only have mares nest... thanks and doggy love davexx

david sheridon, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

just out of interest are there any cardiacs fans in scotland....im curious to see what anyones got(bootlegs, press cuttings etc) or if anyone else out there can swap or sell e mail me make way for the big ship...and here she comes now god bless 'er.

david sheridon, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Those who fail to understand the sheer brilliance of Cardiacs shouldn't be denied their opinions. But I advise them to listen again. I've had the pleasure of meeting Tim and he's just a normal bloke with brilliant ideas. And if Jim reads some of these unkind comments on this page; it'll make him cry. Would you like that?

Labrat, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

JUST BOUGHT THE GREATEST HITS ALBUM...FUCKING FANTASTIC. "DIRTY BOY" IN ALL IT'S FULLBLOWN MAJESTIC GLORY!!!!! NEW CARDIACS TRACK.."FASTER THAN SNAKES WITH A BALL AND A CHAIN", OH YES, OH YES, OH YES...BRING ON THE NEW ALBUM AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHO RULES THIS COSMIC UNIVERSE...HA HA HA HA (SCARY LAUGHTER ENSUES!!) THANKS PUPPIES

DAVID SHERIDON, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I wonder how many of you are out there... Cardiacs are totally independant, whick means they don't have the finances to do many press ads or pay PR people... hence hardly any coverage (UK music press covers stuff they know has money for adverts behind). I'm always meeting Cardiacs fanatics who have no idea of the amount of stuff they've done recently.

There's a Rock Sounds mention this week (thanks to Sean Organ), and a couple or articles in The Organ 'zine - www.organart.com

Always check out WWW.CARDIACS.COM for info!

marinecreature, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Consultant's website is also great. It's got a selection of their old promos in poor quality realvideo, including their performance of Tarred and Feathered on The Tube. And the Consultant's Flower Garden film off Seaside Treats, which is highly recommended viewing. "This is William D. Drake. Sometimes we call him Bill. The Consultant will never call him Bill, such is his hatred of him..."

I've had the Greatest Hits on constant play since I got it. What an album! I've only had Guns, Sing to God and the Sampler up till now, so most of the old stuff is new to me. Affectionate Friends ain't bad either.

Phil A, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

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AIDA HORSE, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Pardon?

marinecreature, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh dear..oh dear..oh dear......and people think cardiacs fans are off their heads....mmmmmmmm. All hail Gareth, no i cant really see it somehow. Happiness and Joy Mr. Sheridon

david sheridon, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
cardiacs are great- tim smith-what a songwriter these songs are the bus on a bus-listen and youll find out see-dont listen to the dont knowers who think they know but dont!sea nymphs gig a couple of years back too -one of my best gigs ever-more soon please keith

keith phillips, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Do you know that William D Drake is playing a gig at the Spitz on Monday? With Bob Leith on drums apparantly. Sounds like its going to be a bit of a Cardiacs do.

Marina organ, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
CLASSIC, OBVIOUSLY. You can SORT of see how ppl wouldn't get it - they haven't evolved very far yet! but i cannot understand whoever it was saying "I quite liked" anything by Cardiacs. That's plain odd. It's a bit like saying "Eating, well I can take it or leave it."

xini

xini, Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

After seeing two live concerts and listening to their albums for years, I'm still figuring out what their music is all about. Brilliant!!!! Such complex and beautifull melodic structures.

BTW if you get the chance go see Bill Drake, he has an album forthcoming, and there's a CD-single out produced by Tim Smith (Cardiacs).

A fan!

Wilco Boumans, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
And Cardiacs are actually playing an actual gig on November 15th 2002 at the London Astoria.

Result!

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Saturday, 28 September 2002 23:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Just heard them for the first time: from what I can tell, classic. Reminded me of XTC if they had been a prog band. Also, some remnants of Rocky Horror style theatrics. I've heard "Guns", and guess I'll work my way backwards.

dleone (dleone), Sunday, 12 January 2003 16:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
CLASSIC!!! Love em or loathe em.....this band is unique. Truely. Uninitiated should check out 'Is This The Life?' on the 'A Little Man And A House' Lp as a good introduction and go from there. Gawd knows where it may lead you. I've just dug out the 'Seaside' tape that Lee from 'Catherine in a Cupboard' did for me years ago - a forgotten gem. Nurses Whispering Verses - oh yes! TOP live band. Just hope they'll continue gigging......)))

Allen, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 09:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Blimey, this thread has ressurrected itself!
You know big tall Lee... did he do you a tape of Toy World/Obvious Identity (Cardiacs tape albums from 1980-83 and earlier).

DL... If you've just heard 'Guns', wait till you hear 'A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window'... give us an email if you have difficulty getting stuff.

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 21:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
This Spratley's Japs record is pretty good.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Love em or Loath em ??
The first time I saw Cardiacs I absolutely hated them. Thankfully It didnt last for long, and soon I was enjoying some of the best gigs I have seen in 20 years. Nothing matches the total euphoria of a Cardiacs shown, I just wish Sarah would play a bit more often.
To anyone who who isn't convinced- stick with it.

paul ashby, Saturday, 13 March 2004 12:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Hi All....Since my last post, me and the girlfriend got married and still.....Cardiacs are Classic!!!!
Roll on November this year.
Still the greatest band on the planet, or any other,
HAPPINESS AND JOY.
Mr Sheridon

David Sheridon, Monday, 31 May 2004 08:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

obviously I'm anticipating this, but do we know why it's gone unreleased for so long? often albums like this tend to be underwhelming.

frogbs, Monday, 22 August 2016 17:51 (one year ago) Permalink

maybe it's been unreleased coz the guy sitting on it had a massive stroke 8 years ago. he's been known to sit on gold before. extra special oceanlandworld was released long after its recording. this is just a bit longer. coz, you know.

anyway, when (if) LSD drops, we'll all throw a year-long internet party, agreed

imago, Monday, 22 August 2016 18:14 (one year ago) Permalink

I think it was just that by the time there was interest in a second Sea Nymphs album(98-99, around the time of the Peel Session), Tim was all "not arsed, mate" because he didn't want to go back to material from five/six years ago, even though there were enough songs in the can for another couple of records.

All the unreleased stuff that's done the rounds in the last decade or so has been shockingly good, so I have absolutely no worries about the quality of this new album.

Pheeel, Monday, 22 August 2016 20:38 (one year ago) Permalink

and who knows, maybe william's put trap beats on it

imago, Monday, 22 August 2016 20:47 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah. it'll probably be great. just trying to temper my expectations a bit.

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:22 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Listening to new Sea Nymphs now, and guys, this is really beautiful. Sounds *exactly* like a proper follow up to the s/t, and if anything, is more gentle, angelic sounding.

Dominique, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:30 (one year ago) Permalink

I didn't order long enough in advance, so the wait will go on ;_;

imago, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Mine didn't get here today either so I'm listening to the 2nd Stars in Battledress album, which I neglected when it came out for some reason. Scratches a similar itch anyway.

ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:18 (one year ago) Permalink

The Women From The Ministry is their masterpiece imho.

MaresNest, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Photos of a Sea Nymphs gig on FB yesterday, no Tim, looked like Craig Fortnam sitting in. Mental.

MaresNest, Sunday, 6 November 2016 10:31 (one year ago) Permalink

This just gone up on YT too..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbSG1YGTBcA

MaresNest, Sunday, 6 November 2016 10:33 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84I8uzFojM

MaresNest, Sunday, 6 November 2016 10:37 (one year ago) Permalink

wow awesome

imago, Sunday, 6 November 2016 11:08 (one year ago) Permalink

So Spratley's Japs are playing a live gig this month?

xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 22:43 (one year ago) Permalink

and we're going :)

imago, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 01:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh the album's very dear

imago, Friday, 18 November 2016 00:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Cut Yourself Kidding is the greatest thing ever

imago, Friday, 18 November 2016 00:24 (one year ago) Permalink

So how about them Japs, eh?

They did a great job, kind of weird that those songs are things that can actually be played by five people, somehow.

That's at least two near miracles in the pondiverse coming to fruition in the same month.

Noel Emits, Monday, 21 November 2016 15:19 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Uh yeah it was totally incredible

imago, Monday, 21 November 2016 15:23 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Oh -> extended Flap Off You Beak -> singalong Don't You Ail was pretty much the zenith of all live music ever. And they pulled off Vine! And how!

Attempting the call and response in Fanny was fun too

imago, Monday, 21 November 2016 15:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Also, tt and I came to Tim at the end and thanked him. It was legit heartbreaking/heartwarming/everything. Gave his carer a massive hug as well, which I think scared him a bit

imago, Monday, 21 November 2016 15:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Attempting to sing along to "Don't You Ail" I discovered it's definitely not my register :)

Actually is the lead vocal Tim's voice sped up Camille style on the original?

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://dfan.org/blog/2010/11/06/cardiacs-odd-even/

MaresNest, Saturday, 7 January 2017 16:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhvIdinbc

MaresNest, Sunday, 5 February 2017 20:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

Been a little afraid to start with this band, but with so many comparisons to XTC, I figured I had to eventually. Sing to God is a LOT to take in. I liked a couple of the songs the first go round ("Dog-Like Sparky" and "Flap Off You Beak") and others sounded pretty random or not that enjoyable. To be fair, random and unenjoyable is how XTC sounded to me at age 16 or whatever, and they eventually clicked, but this is a bridge further. I listened again and I'm starting to understand more of it, but I don't know how much it will translate into liking it. Still, I admire the hell out of this album - it doesn't sound like much else I've heard. I'll give it another listen, but maybe in smaller chunks next time. Or I may check out another Cardiacs album since STG is apparently the super amped up one, right?

Vinnie, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:09 (nine months ago) Permalink

StG might be a bit full-on to a newcomer, yes.

I think Heaven Born and Ever Bright, while not being one of their best, is a lot more approachable and relatively straightforward, also On Land and in the Sea is my favourite out of their "classic" lineup and is definitely worth a try.

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 12:48 (nine months ago) Permalink

You'll probably get everyone recommending different places to start.

I'd suggest trying The Seaside. It's surely impossible to not enjoy songs like A Wooden Fish On Wheels, Gena Lolla Brigida (sic) or To Go Off And Things, along with the rest. Also at that point the songs still often had recognisable punk, ska and new wave elements which might help with a way in. The slightly rough recording quality is also very pleasing, especially in its recently restored "Original Edition". Classic all the way through. Then take it from there. It's where I started and it's a wonderful journey.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:29 (nine months ago) Permalink

you'll want to hear the crappy cassette rip version of the seaside just for 'dinner time' tbf

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

I started with Sing To God and that should do fine.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

Eat it up Worms Hero was the first Cardiacs song I heard and it didn't put me off lol

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

haha! was it the oceansize cover

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:08 (nine months ago) Permalink

I came to STG as a somewhat lapsed fan - I'd drifted away after they started using backing tapes live as a four piece. I'd only just caught the tail end of the classic line-up so this was a big and sudden change. Anyway STG was also something I didn't recognise as Cardiacs at first. Of course it's amazing, but this is why I can't imagine it as a place to begin in terms of grokking the essence.

Imago - the full tracklist has been restored on The Seaside (Original Edition)!

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

xp No, the real thing!

As far as I recall I read about them somewhere that made them sound interesting, then downloaded the few random mp3s I could find on Kazaa so this was a pretty long time ago now...

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

oh wait, I actually bought the restored Seaside on vinyl, lol

My Cardiacs origin story is well-versed: ilx user 'everything' sent me, um, everything, from Canada. I started with Sing To God because why not

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

...ergo, Eat It Up Worms Hero was the second song I ever heard of theirs

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

Sing To God is not a great entry point, I've never been convinced of it's unassailable status [at least compared to the rest of the albums] either.

I bought Heaven Born after reading a review in one of he weeklies iirc and apart from a couple of songs it didn't grab me, but a couple of years later I saw the Maresnest video, then I was hooked in and not long after that the CD reissue program began.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:23 (nine months ago) Permalink

I will say that Sing To God prevented me from appreciating the early stuff (seaside, toy world etc) for a very long time, but when I came around to them it was like a second awakening

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

i heard about the cardiacs long before i heard them. for whatever reason their records were impossible to get in america in the '90s, even as imports. if you could find them they'd run $30 for a cd, which was just insane pricing; i never understood how they managed things on the business end. anyway when mp3s got big the band put up an official mp3 sampler, which is how i first heard them - to be honest it was okay but not terribly impressive to my ears. "sing to god" was the gateway for me when i finally heard it.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 14:53 (nine months ago) Permalink

The pre Seaside stuff *is* badly recorded and often played beyond their ability at the time.

In light of which I must say that The Special Garage Concerts might actually be the ultimate Cardiacs artifact for me, if I had to pick only one. Some days anyway. A remarkable feat wherein they buff up the very earliest songs (including much of The Seaside and some dating back to 1976, when they were babies) and present them in joyous nat's chuff guitar heavy arrangements over twenty years later. More than a live album or retrospective it's like endless victory laps and more fun than just about anything. I'm trying to avoid excessive hype speak here!

It's surely an almost unique achievement, though? And to top it off there's the prospect of the 'rehearsal' film!

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:04 (nine months ago) Permalink

Their stuff was largely out of print for fuck knows how long, which is why they were prohibitively expensive - it was years before I heard a full album of theirs.

I Still need to get The Seaside

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

The Garage Concerts are wonderful I agree

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

Thanks y'all, I'll probably try Seaside next. I'm skimmed these threads before and Sing to God was the only album with a poll and detailed Wiki page, so I started there! Plus, I kind of like starting in the deep end. STG has enough cool moments that I'm convinced this is a band worth checking out more of. One awesome one that I didn't mention before: the solo on Fiery Gun Hand - what a scorcher

Vinnie, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Another nice David Minnick acapella track gone up recently, possibly not for the first time, but it's new to me

https://soundcloud.com/david-minnick/fairy-mary-mag-cardiacs-cover-by-the-180-gs

MaresNest, Saturday, 20 May 2017 22:55 (five months ago) Permalink

his comments suggest it's a first-time post; apparently he takes them down after a while. david's covers i have around from the albums: tracks 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 15, 16, 18, 21

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:06 (five months ago) Permalink

Wish I could hear the whole thing

MaresNest, Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:07 (five months ago) Permalink

did he finish it yet? perhaps he'll release it when he's done? i'm reminded of lewis taylor's attempt to remake trout mask replica... he only got about halfway through but those tracks are circulating in certain quarters.

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:10 (five months ago) Permalink

It must take an awful lot of work, I mean Fairy Mary Mag alone would be a fucker to arrange, even without the squiggly interstitial at the end.

Foghat digs holes in space (MaresNest), Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:17 (five months ago) Permalink

wow thank you

david minnick is a prince

ban violent jinks (imago), Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:35 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Loving that Sea Nymphs Peel session

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 June 2017 20:00 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I expect a few of you have seen already but the shed rehearsals DVD is finally finished and on sale now.

MaresNest, Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:39 (two months ago) Permalink


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