Every huge artist has their "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

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from the Lady Gaga ARTPOP thread:

i have a theory that every super popular artist has a "New Jersey" - like Bon Jovi's album New Jersey -- where it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:21 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^
that'd be a nice thread (if it doesn't already exist)!

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:24 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw dudes i was like a kid when New Jersey came out...but even me as just a fan, i kinda *wanted* to like New Jersey as much, and there was some sense that it was a "big deal" and i should like it and i bought the cassette but i think we all could sense it just wasn't *as good*...i'm not sure what critics thought but i bet they did, i didn't read reviews or have access to them.

so i wasn't talking critically.

but anyway like as time goes by you'll find that people going to gaga show would be way more jazzed about like "bad romance" than "edge of glory"...

like I'm trying to think of another example....Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're black, white, beige, POLLa descent: Lady Gaga - Born This Way (poll)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:46 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and people get on me about MY poll titles!

(j/k, i am curious to see how this one turns out...)

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:49 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

I think it's a stronger case to say 808s was his New Jersey

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think of a band's New Jersey as their bigger but hollower victory lap album so def Graduation not 808s

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:54 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"bigger" meaning bombast not necessarily sales

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NJ had five top tens including two #1's and except for "Bad Medicine" they've all vanished from the face of the earth

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck that noise "I'll Be There For You" will always be there for me

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Born To Be My Baby" and "Lay Your Hands On Me" are definitely arena filler though

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all i remember about "living in sin" is that the video seemed risque when i last saw it in elementary school

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg I had completely blocked "Living In Sin" from my memory

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

parents got upset when "Living in Sin" showed two mulleted youths defying society and good fashion taste and I think MTV banned it from playing during daylight hours or something

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously mad at all of you right now, gah

you are ruining my JAMC because all I can hear over "Catchfire" is the chorus to "Living In Sin"

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To be a New Jersey:
- follow-up to a huge, (possibly) defining record
- has less and/or smaller hits than prev album - or - hits based more on momentum than appeal
- brings with it the feeling that the NEXT record (if there is one) will see the bottom fall out (relatively speaking)

Sound about right?

I'll go ahead and nominate 'Here's to Future Days.'

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

then I nominate Huey Lewis and the News' Fore!.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ SO otm

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did Around the World in a Day feel that way in '85?

― Eric H., Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:02 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (eight years ago) link

Fore! is the fourth album by American rock band Huey Lewis and the News, released in 1986 (see 1986 in music). The album hit number one on the Billboard 200 album chart and contained five top-ten Billboard Hot 100 singles, including the number-one hits: "Stuck with You" and "Jacob's Ladder."

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (eight years ago) link

this is American Life in a nutshell

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:05 (eight years ago) link

or wait, is it Music? I think actually Music is the album that qualifies

I'm so bad at this

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:06 (eight years ago) link

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (eight years ago) link

are we conflating "victory lap" albums with Huge Event Albums That Ultimately Feel Shallow?

cuz Music feels like both!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (eight years ago) link

Cher - Heart of Stone

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:09 (eight years ago) link

how i phrased it in the other thread:

it's just an album that survived mostly on zeitgeist and professionalism that in hindsight served as a stopgap before a major drop or left turn

not everyone has one!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (eight years ago) link

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (eight years ago) link

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:07 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^bingo

Dan, for most people Madonna is an 80s artists or an early 90s artists at the very latest....she wasn't huge in pop culture by then, you could make a case for Erotica but i don't think she has a New Jersey.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (eight years ago) link

but either way madonna was no where near her zeitgiest or sales peak on ray of light, which is what i think dan is suggesting?

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (eight years ago) link

R.E.M. - Monster

From Wikipedia:
Monster debuted #1 in the US and UK charts. "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" and "Bang and Blame" were the band's last American Top 40 hits. Their following album New Adventures in Hi-Fi debuted at number two in the US and number one in the UK. The five million copies of the album sold were a reversal of the group's commercial fortunes of the previous five years.

Moka, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (eight years ago) link

Mj's "bad"

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (eight years ago) link

Music doesn't count cuz "Don't Tell Me" is like one of her biggest late era hits and people love that album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (eight years ago) link

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (eight years ago) link

An element of buyer's remorse also factors in. The "I realized one album too late that he/she/they were never all that."

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (eight years ago) link

it's funny....Watch the Throne ISN'T one of these because of where it fits in their careers, but man does it FEEL like one.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (eight years ago) link

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

― skip, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^great example

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (eight years ago) link

xpost I mean, that's the pulse reading everyone's giving Born This Way now.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (eight years ago) link

Melon Collie has too many fans to count. Plus "1979"!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (eight years ago) link

Smashing Pumpkins fans aren't saying "oh man I can't even remember those Melon Collie singles"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (eight years ago) link

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:14 (eight years ago) link

Monster is probably a much better mid 90s example of this though... Mellon Collie certainly has its "hollow" moments but "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" is probably the real beginning of the end for SP.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:15 (eight years ago) link

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

so, I feel a lot of this is based on perception rather than actual performance; Ray of Light has sold more copies than Like A Prayer, for example

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (eight years ago) link

I don't want to admit Monster counts cuz I love it but the sheer number of copies sold back probably defines "buyer's remorse"

Rattle & Hum probably counts in that it was definitely followed by a left turn and people today would be like "um, Angel In Harlem was a top 20 hit? Really?"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (eight years ago) link

I get the sense artists don't recover from their New Jersey.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (eight years ago) link

Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (eight years ago) link

xpost - Monster is, in many ways, the iconic Used CD.

on an indie rock level:

The Shins - Chutes too Narrow

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

― Euler, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but Rattle & Hum is a New Jersey...U2 just did the trick of pulling a Kid A after a New Jersey

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (eight years ago) link

haha raffles is good at this

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (eight years ago) link

Bon Jovi has certainly had a ton of hits and made a ton of cash since but it was definitely a game changer. Madonna doesn't quite work because basically she was Queen Shit and aging gracefully (with a mild mis-step around Erotica) and then made American Life.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (eight years ago) link

Human touch/Lucky town

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (eight years ago) link

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

Maybe then it's less a signpost of "career decline" and more a mass discovery of career limits that didn't previously seem obvious/relevant.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (eight years ago) link

Mj's "bad"

I would say it's probably Dangerous, that was MJ's first CD-length album and clearly was meant to be the start of a new era, free from QJ, on to a different sound, etc. etc. And there were a ton of singles from it but compared to Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, only maybe one of them is still ubiquitous today (and that one is one of his most routinely mocked).

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (eight years ago) link

Even less-huge artists have this. e.g., Replacements and Don't Tell a Soul.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (eight years ago) link

Genesis - I Can't Dance (in re: the career of Phil Collins)

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (eight years ago) link

Don Henley - The End of the Innocence

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (eight years ago) link

that album still has a lot of respect for a Don Henley album - in Don's career I'd argue Eagles' Hell Freezes Over

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (eight years ago) link

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (eight years ago) link

nice one frogbs

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:22 (eight years ago) link

yeah but i don't think a New Jersey is necessarily terrible or even critical reviled, it can be good and popular etc but there's this inexpressible sense that the era of this artist is slipping away even as they are super popular at the moment.

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

― frogbs, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:21 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:23 (eight years ago) link

thing is, an album like End Of The Innocence or Melon Collie isn't loaded with the sense of somebody slipping away, it's just the last album they made before it happened.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:24 (eight years ago) link

and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eight years ago) link

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eight years ago) link

ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.

melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eight years ago) link

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^good one

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wouldnt wish be a better examp

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (eight years ago) link

Mighty Like a Rose is definitely a New Jersey.

― Hereward the Woke (Ye Mad Puffin),

he's had several, or at least he's too subcultural for NJs to matter

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 23:00 (eight months ago) link

Didn't Pearl Jam kind of intentionally seek a lower profile after VS by writing less commercial music? And attacking Ticketmaster so they couldn't tour and not building on momentum?

It's a NJ in that the mainstream definitely recoiled a bit from Vitalogy. people loved "Better Man", but despite being nominated for a Grammy, I didn't know anybody who gaf about "Spin the Black Circle" or "Tremor Christ" more than a month after release. Or anybody who is a mega PJ fan who cares about them now.

Buuut critics and the devoted PJ fans were definitely warmer to Vitalogy. Lots of setlist staples from that one. Some say it's their fav!

I guess it fits though, as far as hype goes, it definitely felt like the last PJ album mainstream rock fans anticipated, and you could feel the "who cares" vibe when MTV was trying to help promote No Code.

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:00 (eight months ago) link

Last time I heard Vitalogy I was actually surprised by how un-New Jersey it sounded. I also recall about half of the album received heavy to medium FM rotation.

I love No Code and Yield but one of these would make a lot more sense imo.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:01 (eight months ago) link

I feel like Yield was after the sheen had worn off. "Given to Fly" and "In Hiding" got radio play but excitement about them was muted, other than people whining that G2F was a "Going to California" jack.

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:03 (eight months ago) link

Re: No Code, I remember learning about its existence from an $11.98 sale in a K-Mart flier.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:05 (eight months ago) link

as opposed to the massive FM leaks of various Vitalogy cuts in the weeks leading up to its release.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:07 (eight months ago) link

MTV was doing a "man on the street" segment where they gave fans a copy of the album and everybody's reaction was "yeah cool pretty good" but not like the fervor around the first two.

"Hail Hail" was a big thud of a single. Then again I remember "I Got Id" from Merkin Ball was pretty big

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:08 (eight months ago) link

For No Code.

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:08 (eight months ago) link

No Code and Yield are their best albums but for some reason I never listened to Binaural and hardly gave PJ a chance again after that

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:10 (eight months ago) link

Vitalogy i always remember as being released first on vinyl:

The album was first released on vinyl, followed by a release on CD and cassette two weeks later on December 6, 1994. The LP sold 34,000 copies in its first week of release, and until Jack White's 2014 album Lazaretto it held the record for most vinyl sales in one week since SoundScan began tracking sales in 1991.

Lazaretto, really

omar little, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:10 (eight months ago) link

I fucking forgot all about Binaural.

it kind of sucked though.

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:11 (eight months ago) link

i decided to give Binaural a listen recently, it's a pretty good slab of rock music, not nearly as catchy as their earlier work but still good enough. i'm willing to forgive PJ for a lot of their music crimes tho i think it might be regarded as their worst?

omar little, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:13 (eight months ago) link

Vitalogy suffers from the same disease as Druqks: a chocolate box of assorted styles, except there are only three of those styles and they jar up against each other. in the case of Vitalogy it's hoary rockers, plaintive ballads and weird experiments, sequenced in a way that feels like you're listening to three different albums on shuffle

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:17 (eight months ago) link

i like that tho

billstevejim, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:25 (eight months ago) link

Vitalogy is NOT a NJ in that it's not an Afterburner or Fore! -- it deliberately WANTS to shed fans.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:35 (eight months ago) link

Also maybe I am misreading its legacy but it feels like one of the core Pearl Jam albums and admirably risky instead of being a disappointing bland behemoth

omar little, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:47 (eight months ago) link

exactly -- Pearl Jam don't belong in this thread

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:55 (eight months ago) link

PJ have worked on undercutting their popularity since at least 1994

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:56 (eight months ago) link

Vitalogy is NOT a NJ in that it's not an Afterburner or Fore! -- it deliberately WANTS to shed fans.

Bingo. Also Vitalogy has, afaik, one of their biggest songs, Corduroy (fans and live, not charts).

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 01:34 (eight months ago) link

I bet Pearl Jam would do an awesome "Bad Medicine."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 01:51 (eight months ago) link

Xpost yea they opened with Corduroy first time i saw them

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 01:55 (eight months ago) link

Didn't know Corduroy was so loved. I like it but always heard it as a deep cut

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 10:38 (eight months ago) link

just made a long Spotify playlist of my fave Pearl Jam songs and Yield was the only album where I couldn't miss any of the tracks, to my surprise. I like them all.

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 10:47 (eight months ago) link

I want to say every Pearl Jam album has a bunch of beloved songs that are always in circulation in their sets. While I admit I don't entirely grasp the "New Jersey" concept, I do agree that Pearl Jam intentionally downsized their appeal, or tried to, by not making videos, by trying to go around Ticketmaster, by making more aggressive, or weirder, or less explicitly commercial music (which often got played anyway), and so on. If anything Pearl Jam is in the category of bands whose debut albums were so huge it's more or less fueled their entire career. Talk about live staples, it's remarkable the galvanizing impact all those early songs still have on a PJ set.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 14:19 (eight months ago) link

they have a bunch of Christmas songs up on Spotify at the moment btw

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 14:26 (eight months ago) link

PJ is one of the few bands for whom their entire catalog is of equal worth; they've disowned nothing. You're as likely to hear "Lukin" or "Pilate" as you are "Alive" or "Wishlist." It's not like when the Stones debut, say, "Worried About You" or dust off "She Was Hot."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 14:29 (eight months ago) link

actually the deliberately shedding fans is a grunge era pathology i didn't really think about

however,

Bingo. Also Vitalogy has, afaik, one of their biggest songs, Corduroy (fans and live, not charts).

― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, December 10, 2019 7:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

again, Corduroy being a big song does NOT disqualify it, in fact I think a New Jersey has to have some big hits or it would be a Fairweather Johnson

Bon Jovi still does a bunch of New Jersey in its live sets

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bon-jovi/2019/estadio-nacional-lima-peru-439c7ff7.html

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 16:47 (eight months ago) link

also not really relevant but DAMN Vitology is more of a slog than I remembered

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 16:48 (eight months ago) link

yeah dog latin otm about the sequencing. but that also helped it feel like a big box of goodies, along with the packaging i think. it's going for "white album" maybe - it just doesn't quite have the sonic variety to match, versus something like Mellon Collie where you really get different sounds or even different genres as you go on the journey. whereas Vitalogy is maybe four cut songs away from being a very strong "Vs. II." the choice to not do that makes the world more interesting. and also makes it have less of a New Jersey "feel," vis-a-vis conscious shedding of superstardom, even tho i agree that it ticks several other boxes.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:33 (eight months ago) link

"better man" still has life on radio stations that play grunge hits. idk can't see vitalogy as a nj at all

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:38 (eight months ago) link

although i guess that's a point in its favor

NJ had five top tens including two #1's and except for "Bad Medicine" they've all vanished from the face of the earth

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:40 (eight months ago) link

I agree that PJ does not belong on this thread

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:43 (eight months ago) link

Bon Jovi sucks, but I was curious and looked up the track list of New Jersey, and there are three songs off that I could hum. The rest I don't recognize by title, but three is not bad!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:45 (eight months ago) link

I just came across a recent interview with Desmond Child, who co-wrote "Livin' on a Prayer" (among others). He says last year it got streamed half a billion times, and that netted him all of $6,000. My question is, where is my cut for hearing it so many times?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:00 (seven months ago) link

Does he get a cut of karaoke licenses, though?

Inapt Authority (morrisp), Thursday, 12 December 2019 04:44 (seven months ago) link

That is a fucking pittance. Songwriters and musicians really need to go on strike like back in ‘42.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 12 December 2019 12:39 (seven months ago) link

I just came across a recent interview with Desmond Child, who co-wrote "Livin' on a Prayer" (among others).

I mean, Bad Medicine for one!

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 12 December 2019 13:01 (seven months ago) link

There's one song on "New Jersey" co-written by Child *and* Diane Warren! Talk about hedging your bets.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 December 2019 13:16 (seven months ago) link

Any band that ever co-wrote with Child should have their instruments destroyed

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:37 (seven months ago) link

Aerosmith

"Heart's Done Time"
"Dude (Looks Like a Lady)"
"Angel"
"What It Takes"
"Flesh"
"Crazy"
"Hole in My Soul"
"Ain't That a Bitch"

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:38 (seven months ago) link

That is DIRE

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

pretty bummed that i can still more or less remember how those Nine Lives deep cuts go

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

Don't forget his sultry, magnificent work with Ricky Martin.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:40 (seven months ago) link

Haha I remember Nine Lives well

master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:41 (seven months ago) link

Any band that ever co-wrote with Child should have their instruments destroyed

by the time desmond child arrives, that's almost assuredly already happened.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:51 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLcWHU9tKjg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:40 (seven months ago) link

Wow, lay off the Dudes of Wrath, man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9N2HJWAyiE

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:44 (seven months ago) link

lol i watched shocker for the first time last week. fuckin rules

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:50 (seven months ago) link

Nice!

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:54 (seven months ago) link

Garth's Vegas show is apparently just him in sweats with a guitar and atool. I'd like to see that.

― Earth, Wind & Fire & Alabama (Eazy), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:37 PM bookmarkflaglink

(stool)

― Earth, Wind & Fire & Alabama (Eazy), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:37 PM bookmarkflaglink

I'd see him with just a guitar and stool. Proper pants would be a nice touch, though.

― alpine static, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:38 PM bookmarkflaglink

a guitar and a tool

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:38 PM bookmarkflaglink

Magic Garth

― Earth, Wind & Fire & Alabama (Eazy), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:39 PM bookmarkflaglink

He'd like to see that.

― some dude, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:39 PM bookmarkflaglink

haaaaaaay y'all what's going on?

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:40 PM bookmarkflaglink

i just want to watch garth brooks sit on a stool naked

― max, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:42 PM bookmarkflaglink

thanks for killing the thread

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:49 PM bookmarkflaglink

traveled down the road and back again
your heart is true
you're a friend and a confidant

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:50 PM bookmarkflaglink

inspired run

Dingle Kringle (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 December 2019 05:48 (seven months ago) link


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