Every huge artist has their "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

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from the Lady Gaga ARTPOP thread:

i have a theory that every super popular artist has a "New Jersey" - like Bon Jovi's album New Jersey -- where it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:21 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^
that'd be a nice thread (if it doesn't already exist)!

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:24 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw dudes i was like a kid when New Jersey came out...but even me as just a fan, i kinda *wanted* to like New Jersey as much, and there was some sense that it was a "big deal" and i should like it and i bought the cassette but i think we all could sense it just wasn't *as good*...i'm not sure what critics thought but i bet they did, i didn't read reviews or have access to them.

so i wasn't talking critically.

but anyway like as time goes by you'll find that people going to gaga show would be way more jazzed about like "bad romance" than "edge of glory"...

like I'm trying to think of another example....Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're black, white, beige, POLLa descent: Lady Gaga - Born This Way (poll)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:46 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and people get on me about MY poll titles!

(j/k, i am curious to see how this one turns out...)

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:49 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

I think it's a stronger case to say 808s was his New Jersey

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think of a band's New Jersey as their bigger but hollower victory lap album so def Graduation not 808s

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:54 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"bigger" meaning bombast not necessarily sales

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NJ had five top tens including two #1's and except for "Bad Medicine" they've all vanished from the face of the earth

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck that noise "I'll Be There For You" will always be there for me

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Born To Be My Baby" and "Lay Your Hands On Me" are definitely arena filler though

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all i remember about "living in sin" is that the video seemed risque when i last saw it in elementary school

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg I had completely blocked "Living In Sin" from my memory

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

parents got upset when "Living in Sin" showed two mulleted youths defying society and good fashion taste and I think MTV banned it from playing during daylight hours or something

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously mad at all of you right now, gah

you are ruining my JAMC because all I can hear over "Catchfire" is the chorus to "Living In Sin"

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To be a New Jersey:
- follow-up to a huge, (possibly) defining record
- has less and/or smaller hits than prev album - or - hits based more on momentum than appeal
- brings with it the feeling that the NEXT record (if there is one) will see the bottom fall out (relatively speaking)

Sound about right?

I'll go ahead and nominate 'Here's to Future Days.'

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

then I nominate Huey Lewis and the News' Fore!.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ SO otm

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did Around the World in a Day feel that way in '85?

― Eric H., Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:02 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (five years ago) Permalink

Fore! is the fourth album by American rock band Huey Lewis and the News, released in 1986 (see 1986 in music). The album hit number one on the Billboard 200 album chart and contained five top-ten Billboard Hot 100 singles, including the number-one hits: "Stuck with You" and "Jacob's Ladder."

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (five years ago) Permalink

this is American Life in a nutshell

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:05 (five years ago) Permalink

or wait, is it Music? I think actually Music is the album that qualifies

I'm so bad at this

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (five years ago) Permalink

are we conflating "victory lap" albums with Huge Event Albums That Ultimately Feel Shallow?

cuz Music feels like both!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Cher - Heart of Stone

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:09 (five years ago) Permalink

how i phrased it in the other thread:

it's just an album that survived mostly on zeitgeist and professionalism that in hindsight served as a stopgap before a major drop or left turn

not everyone has one!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:07 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^bingo

Dan, for most people Madonna is an 80s artists or an early 90s artists at the very latest....she wasn't huge in pop culture by then, you could make a case for Erotica but i don't think she has a New Jersey.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

but either way madonna was no where near her zeitgiest or sales peak on ray of light, which is what i think dan is suggesting?

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

R.E.M. - Monster

From Wikipedia:
Monster debuted #1 in the US and UK charts. "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" and "Bang and Blame" were the band's last American Top 40 hits. Their following album New Adventures in Hi-Fi debuted at number two in the US and number one in the UK. The five million copies of the album sold were a reversal of the group's commercial fortunes of the previous five years.

Moka, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Mj's "bad"

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Music doesn't count cuz "Don't Tell Me" is like one of her biggest late era hits and people love that album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

An element of buyer's remorse also factors in. The "I realized one album too late that he/she/they were never all that."

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

it's funny....Watch the Throne ISN'T one of these because of where it fits in their careers, but man does it FEEL like one.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

― skip, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^great example

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost I mean, that's the pulse reading everyone's giving Born This Way now.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (five years ago) Permalink

Melon Collie has too many fans to count. Plus "1979"!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

Smashing Pumpkins fans aren't saying "oh man I can't even remember those Melon Collie singles"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Monster is probably a much better mid 90s example of this though... Mellon Collie certainly has its "hollow" moments but "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" is probably the real beginning of the end for SP.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:15 (five years ago) Permalink

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

so, I feel a lot of this is based on perception rather than actual performance; Ray of Light has sold more copies than Like A Prayer, for example

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't want to admit Monster counts cuz I love it but the sheer number of copies sold back probably defines "buyer's remorse"

Rattle & Hum probably counts in that it was definitely followed by a left turn and people today would be like "um, Angel In Harlem was a top 20 hit? Really?"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I get the sense artists don't recover from their New Jersey.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost - Monster is, in many ways, the iconic Used CD.

on an indie rock level:

The Shins - Chutes too Narrow

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

― Euler, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but Rattle & Hum is a New Jersey...U2 just did the trick of pulling a Kid A after a New Jersey

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

haha raffles is good at this

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Bon Jovi has certainly had a ton of hits and made a ton of cash since but it was definitely a game changer. Madonna doesn't quite work because basically she was Queen Shit and aging gracefully (with a mild mis-step around Erotica) and then made American Life.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Human touch/Lucky town

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

Maybe then it's less a signpost of "career decline" and more a mass discovery of career limits that didn't previously seem obvious/relevant.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Mj's "bad"

I would say it's probably Dangerous, that was MJ's first CD-length album and clearly was meant to be the start of a new era, free from QJ, on to a different sound, etc. etc. And there were a ton of singles from it but compared to Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, only maybe one of them is still ubiquitous today (and that one is one of his most routinely mocked).

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Even less-huge artists have this. e.g., Replacements and Don't Tell a Soul.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Genesis - I Can't Dance (in re: the career of Phil Collins)

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Don Henley - The End of the Innocence

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

that album still has a lot of respect for a Don Henley album - in Don's career I'd argue Eagles' Hell Freezes Over

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (five years ago) Permalink

nice one frogbs

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:22 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah but i don't think a New Jersey is necessarily terrible or even critical reviled, it can be good and popular etc but there's this inexpressible sense that the era of this artist is slipping away even as they are super popular at the moment.

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

― frogbs, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:21 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:23 (five years ago) Permalink

thing is, an album like End Of The Innocence or Melon Collie isn't loaded with the sense of somebody slipping away, it's just the last album they made before it happened.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:24 (five years ago) Permalink

and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.

melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^good one

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wouldnt wish be a better examp

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (five years ago) Permalink

*rouses from sleep*

The reason Willenium wasn't mentioned is that it was a relative flop compared to the previous album. Big Willie Style sold 9 million copies in the US, had a #1 and two top 20 singles beyond the preceding movie tie-in. Willenium sold 2 million, and had no top 20 singles after the preceding movie tie-in. It was a clear misfire long before the release of the follow-up.

*goes back to sleep*

da croupier, Thursday, 19 October 2017 07:37 (one month ago) Permalink

surely a defining feature of a NJ is that after initial recognition its NJ status is ultimately disputed and rejected

niels, Thursday, 19 October 2017 08:20 (one month ago) Permalink

hmmmm so it's more of a Fairweather Johnson? looking at the actual performance of the actual album singles I buy that... pretty dismal.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 19 October 2017 11:05 (one month ago) Permalink

To qualify as a New Jersey, the album has to sell as much or even more than its predecessors yet everyone knows the gig is up.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 October 2017 11:55 (one month ago) Permalink

a bomb is not a New Jersey.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 October 2017 11:55 (one month ago) Permalink

da croupier & alfred otm

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 October 2017 12:25 (one month ago) Permalink

willennium was not a bomb imho (4x platinum!) - but agreed that it is way way too diminished as a followup to count as a NJ.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 19 October 2017 12:29 (one month ago) Permalink

I think you guys are being way too rigid. 4 million is not a bomb and New Jersey itself has sold 10 million less than SWW

President Keyes, Thursday, 19 October 2017 13:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Number 1:

Willennium was NOT an event album remotely on par w/New Jersey

The album was the follow-up to the band's third album, Slippery When Wet, and reached No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart in its second week of release after making its debut at No. 8. It remained at No. 1 for four consecutive weeks.[3] It produced five Billboard Hot 100 top ten hits, the most top ten hits to date for any hard rock/glam metal album, including "Bad Medicine" and "I'll Be There for You", which both reached No. 1. The album was certified 7x Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America. The album also debuted at No. 1 in the UK and was the band's first UK No. 1 album.

Number 2:
Will Smith was not even capable of HAVING A NEW JERSEY in 1999. He's coming off Bad Boys, Indepedence Day, Men in Black and Enemy of the State, already a bankable Hollywood blockbuster action star and heading into his bid for critical acclaim Bagger Vance/Ali stage....

by this point he's not even primarily thought of as a music star, the fate of Willenium good or bad isn't where his career is going anyway

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 October 2017 14:58 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure we discussed a long time ago that despite the thread title no album is ever going to match exactly the data points of the album "New Jersey" by the band Bon Jovi, and we can look for similarities in other blockbuster follow-up albums.

President Keyes, Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:09 (one month ago) Permalink

p.s. some of those movies you mention came out before Big Willie Style

President Keyes, Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:11 (one month ago) Permalink

we did discuss that and this is still not a New Jersey

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:32 (one month ago) Permalink

*stomps angrily out of bedroom*

How the fuck did the sales magically turn from 2 million in the US to 4 million for willenium in the last 8 hours? Wikipedia has it at double platinum. Riaa.com has it double platinum.

Slippery When Wet and New Jersey both sold over 5 million copies before the release of the next album. New Jersey had MORE top ten hits than Slippery When Wet. "New Jersey" status doesn't just go to the last album by an artist you can remember.

I swear to fucking god, it blows my mind there are records nerds who want to play this game but a) don't want to look beyond personal anecdotal experience and b) can't fucking count to ten.

*storms out of room, slamming door*

da croupier, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:03 (one month ago) Permalink

*opens door a crack*

Sorry UMS, didn't see you'd already reaffirmed how notable New Jersey's stats are

*closes it quietly*

da croupier, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:08 (one month ago) Permalink

I might argue that Big Willie Style was the New Jersey to Will Smith's Fresh Prince career if I was feeling ornery

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

*talks politely from other side of door*

The problem there is the previous Fresh Prince album was Code Red. "Boom boom shake the room" has not endured in culture better than "Miami," let alone "gettin jiggy with it"

da croupier, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:14 (one month ago) Permalink

I swear to fucking god, it blows my mind there are records nerds who want to play this game but a) don't want to look beyond personal anecdotal experience and b) can't fucking count to ten.

I couldn't find the Wikipedia "Feels a bit hollow" rating for this album, please assist

President Keyes, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Ok, you said "career" but the early millenials still love those BWS singles is the point.

da croupier, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:15 (one month ago) Permalink

PK I know you miss me but you don't have to miss my point

da croupier, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:18 (one month ago) Permalink

"Boom boom shake the room" has not endured in culture better than "Miami," let alone "gettin jiggy with it"

I'd say it has endured in culture as well as either of those tracks.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Wikipedia has it at double platinum. Riaa.com has it double platinum.

sales to suppressive persons weren't calculated iirc

President Keyes, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:21 (one month ago) Permalink

How the fuck did the sales magically turn from 2 million in the US to 4 million for willenium in the last 8 hours? Wikipedia has it at double platinum. Riaa.com has it double platinum.

clearly we all bought a couple hundred thousand copies of willennium just to troll you

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:32 (one month ago) Permalink

when we troll into the wild wild west

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Lol, i just can't believe my luck at having this be atop the page when I couldn't sleep and decided to check ilx for the first time in months last night.

In the future, I'll just appear if I think the claim has merit. otherwise people can assume I didn't see it or my response is a gif of Kent brockman saying "do your research, Shutton" (if not a gif of David Caruso in session 9).

da croupier, Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess it's 2017 so we all looped a willennium full album youtube link 1,000,000 times each

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Pretty sure that if this thread has proven anything, it's that not every huge artist has a New Jersey. Also, New Jersey is awesome.

― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 09:40 (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 October 2017 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Shania Twain's Up! was mentioned a couple times upthread without any comment. Now it finally has a follow-up. But it might be in a class by itself: a diamond selling album with no real big singles.

President Keyes, Thursday, 19 October 2017 20:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Supposed Former Willfatuation Junkie

Eazy, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Boom! Shake The Room is one of the best Fresh & Jazzy singles btw (and all are better than any Will solo)

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:03 (one month ago) Permalink

they needed to cover Scritti's "Boom! There She Was."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:08 (one month ago) Permalink

the ACTUAL New Jersey of will smith's career is Hitch

qualx, Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:58 (one month ago) Permalink

No way they play Hitch at jury duty here

flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:06 (one month ago) Permalink

and In Good Company.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:11 (one month ago) Permalink

if new jersey was a movie would it not be a movie that occasionally gets played at jury duty?

qualx, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:17 (one month ago) Permalink

time to breathe new life into this thread

every huge actor has their "Hitch"

qualx, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:18 (one month ago) Permalink

occasionally- no. but they haven't changed the DVD since 2005

flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:25 (one month ago) Permalink

it's the only movie they play

flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:26 (one month ago) Permalink

how long has this trial been going on

qualx, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:29 (one month ago) Permalink

flappy bird, my man, I think you were actually convicted of this crime

nomar, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:39 (one month ago) Permalink

the answer is obviously "hancock," last of the string of major hits that followed on hitch's heels, but how many would now guess it was the fourth-biggest hit of 2008?

Doctor Casino, Friday, 20 October 2017 04:56 (one month ago) Permalink

COLLATERAL BEAUTY

flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 06:06 (one month ago) Permalink

I knew someone would say hancock as if bon jovi didn't sell millions of albums after NJ

people went to see hancock sure, but the will smith train had passed. the willennium was over. he was playing against type in an action comedy, his wheelhouse - they came out of curiosity, novelty. but his career as Will Smith, Peaking Action Comedy Star and Occasional Oscar Bait Guy My Parents Liked was over by then. hancock was the death knell. hitch was the new jersey.

qualx, Friday, 20 October 2017 06:08 (one month ago) Permalink

and before you bring up I am legend, no one actually saw that. they bought the tickets and then they went out for dinner and forgot about the ticket, that's why it made a lot of money.

qualx, Friday, 20 October 2017 06:11 (one month ago) Permalink

I Am Legend made zombie movie cash, everyone wanted to see those undead ghouls or rage filled maniacs chasing people around. it was a guaranteed 500+ million worldwide for awhile there. but those movies were also like Avatar, they left no real cultural footprint.

nomar, Friday, 20 October 2017 06:17 (one month ago) Permalink

the answer is obviously "hancock," last of the string of major hits that followed on hitch's heels, but how many would now guess it was the fourth-biggest hit of 2008?

what the fuck was going on in 2008

midas / medusa cage match (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 October 2017 09:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Hancock was kind of awesome

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 20 October 2017 13:35 (one month ago) Permalink

adjusted for inflation, the top-grossing will smith films, in descending order, are ID4, MIB, suicide squad, i am legend, MIB2, hancock, hitch, shark tale (yeeeeesh), pursuit of happyness, and enemy of the state.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 20 October 2017 13:43 (one month ago) Permalink

about 50% of the reason I enjoyed Suicide Squad is because Will Smith played Deadshot almost exactly like he played Hancock

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 20 October 2017 13:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Louis CK's latest standup video for Netflix.

Max Florian, Friday, 20 October 2017 15:05 (one month ago) Permalink

I've kind of been wondering if there is also a 'Full Moon, Dirty Hearts' phase after listening to the new National album.

campreverb, Friday, 20 October 2017 21:12 (one month ago) Permalink


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