Every huge artist has their "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

from the Lady Gaga ARTPOP thread:

i have a theory that every super popular artist has a "New Jersey" - like Bon Jovi's album New Jersey -- where it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:21 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^
that'd be a nice thread (if it doesn't already exist)!

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:24 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw dudes i was like a kid when New Jersey came out...but even me as just a fan, i kinda *wanted* to like New Jersey as much, and there was some sense that it was a "big deal" and i should like it and i bought the cassette but i think we all could sense it just wasn't *as good*...i'm not sure what critics thought but i bet they did, i didn't read reviews or have access to them.

so i wasn't talking critically.

but anyway like as time goes by you'll find that people going to gaga show would be way more jazzed about like "bad romance" than "edge of glory"...

like I'm trying to think of another example....Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're black, white, beige, POLLa descent: Lady Gaga - Born This Way (poll)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:46 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and people get on me about MY poll titles!

(j/k, i am curious to see how this one turns out...)

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:49 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

I think it's a stronger case to say 808s was his New Jersey

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think of a band's New Jersey as their bigger but hollower victory lap album so def Graduation not 808s

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:54 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"bigger" meaning bombast not necessarily sales

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NJ had five top tens including two #1's and except for "Bad Medicine" they've all vanished from the face of the earth

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck that noise "I'll Be There For You" will always be there for me

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Born To Be My Baby" and "Lay Your Hands On Me" are definitely arena filler though

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all i remember about "living in sin" is that the video seemed risque when i last saw it in elementary school

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg I had completely blocked "Living In Sin" from my memory

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

parents got upset when "Living in Sin" showed two mulleted youths defying society and good fashion taste and I think MTV banned it from playing during daylight hours or something

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously mad at all of you right now, gah

you are ruining my JAMC because all I can hear over "Catchfire" is the chorus to "Living In Sin"

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To be a New Jersey:
- follow-up to a huge, (possibly) defining record
- has less and/or smaller hits than prev album - or - hits based more on momentum than appeal
- brings with it the feeling that the NEXT record (if there is one) will see the bottom fall out (relatively speaking)

Sound about right?

I'll go ahead and nominate 'Here's to Future Days.'

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

then I nominate Huey Lewis and the News' Fore!.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ SO otm

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did Around the World in a Day feel that way in '85?

― Eric H., Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:02 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (seven years ago) link

Fore! is the fourth album by American rock band Huey Lewis and the News, released in 1986 (see 1986 in music). The album hit number one on the Billboard 200 album chart and contained five top-ten Billboard Hot 100 singles, including the number-one hits: "Stuck with You" and "Jacob's Ladder."

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (seven years ago) link

this is American Life in a nutshell

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:05 (seven years ago) link

or wait, is it Music? I think actually Music is the album that qualifies

I'm so bad at this

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:06 (seven years ago) link

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (seven years ago) link

are we conflating "victory lap" albums with Huge Event Albums That Ultimately Feel Shallow?

cuz Music feels like both!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (seven years ago) link

Cher - Heart of Stone

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:09 (seven years ago) link

how i phrased it in the other thread:

it's just an album that survived mostly on zeitgeist and professionalism that in hindsight served as a stopgap before a major drop or left turn

not everyone has one!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (seven years ago) link

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (seven years ago) link

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:07 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^bingo

Dan, for most people Madonna is an 80s artists or an early 90s artists at the very latest....she wasn't huge in pop culture by then, you could make a case for Erotica but i don't think she has a New Jersey.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (seven years ago) link

but either way madonna was no where near her zeitgiest or sales peak on ray of light, which is what i think dan is suggesting?

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (seven years ago) link

R.E.M. - Monster

From Wikipedia:
Monster debuted #1 in the US and UK charts. "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" and "Bang and Blame" were the band's last American Top 40 hits. Their following album New Adventures in Hi-Fi debuted at number two in the US and number one in the UK. The five million copies of the album sold were a reversal of the group's commercial fortunes of the previous five years.

Moka, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (seven years ago) link

Mj's "bad"

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (seven years ago) link

Music doesn't count cuz "Don't Tell Me" is like one of her biggest late era hits and people love that album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (seven years ago) link

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (seven years ago) link

An element of buyer's remorse also factors in. The "I realized one album too late that he/she/they were never all that."

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (seven years ago) link

it's funny....Watch the Throne ISN'T one of these because of where it fits in their careers, but man does it FEEL like one.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (seven years ago) link

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

― skip, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^great example

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (seven years ago) link

xpost I mean, that's the pulse reading everyone's giving Born This Way now.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (seven years ago) link

Melon Collie has too many fans to count. Plus "1979"!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (seven years ago) link

Smashing Pumpkins fans aren't saying "oh man I can't even remember those Melon Collie singles"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (seven years ago) link

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:14 (seven years ago) link

Monster is probably a much better mid 90s example of this though... Mellon Collie certainly has its "hollow" moments but "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" is probably the real beginning of the end for SP.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:15 (seven years ago) link

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

so, I feel a lot of this is based on perception rather than actual performance; Ray of Light has sold more copies than Like A Prayer, for example

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (seven years ago) link

I don't want to admit Monster counts cuz I love it but the sheer number of copies sold back probably defines "buyer's remorse"

Rattle & Hum probably counts in that it was definitely followed by a left turn and people today would be like "um, Angel In Harlem was a top 20 hit? Really?"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (seven years ago) link

I get the sense artists don't recover from their New Jersey.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (seven years ago) link

Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (seven years ago) link

xpost - Monster is, in many ways, the iconic Used CD.

on an indie rock level:

The Shins - Chutes too Narrow

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

― Euler, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but Rattle & Hum is a New Jersey...U2 just did the trick of pulling a Kid A after a New Jersey

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (seven years ago) link

haha raffles is good at this

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (seven years ago) link

Bon Jovi has certainly had a ton of hits and made a ton of cash since but it was definitely a game changer. Madonna doesn't quite work because basically she was Queen Shit and aging gracefully (with a mild mis-step around Erotica) and then made American Life.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (seven years ago) link

Human touch/Lucky town

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (seven years ago) link

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

Maybe then it's less a signpost of "career decline" and more a mass discovery of career limits that didn't previously seem obvious/relevant.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (seven years ago) link

Mj's "bad"

I would say it's probably Dangerous, that was MJ's first CD-length album and clearly was meant to be the start of a new era, free from QJ, on to a different sound, etc. etc. And there were a ton of singles from it but compared to Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, only maybe one of them is still ubiquitous today (and that one is one of his most routinely mocked).

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (seven years ago) link

Even less-huge artists have this. e.g., Replacements and Don't Tell a Soul.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (seven years ago) link

Genesis - I Can't Dance (in re: the career of Phil Collins)

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (seven years ago) link

Don Henley - The End of the Innocence

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (seven years ago) link

that album still has a lot of respect for a Don Henley album - in Don's career I'd argue Eagles' Hell Freezes Over

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (seven years ago) link

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (seven years ago) link

nice one frogbs

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:22 (seven years ago) link

yeah but i don't think a New Jersey is necessarily terrible or even critical reviled, it can be good and popular etc but there's this inexpressible sense that the era of this artist is slipping away even as they are super popular at the moment.

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

― frogbs, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:21 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:23 (seven years ago) link

thing is, an album like End Of The Innocence or Melon Collie isn't loaded with the sense of somebody slipping away, it's just the last album they made before it happened.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:24 (seven years ago) link

and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (seven years ago) link

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (seven years ago) link

ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.

melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (seven years ago) link

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^good one

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wouldnt wish be a better examp

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (seven years ago) link

Vampire Weekend - Father of the Bride

Can't believe I didn't think of this earlier, it's a classic New Jersey

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)


I don’t know if you can tell a New Jersey until it’s followerd by a Keep the Faith. Altho you could almost make the case for FOTB being a 2-in-1.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 04:42 (three months ago) link

I agree that nothing should be labelled a New Jersey until its follow-up is out.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 06:31 (three months ago) link

Yeah without a follow-up, it's hard to tell if an album is a NJ or not.
As for FOTB, it's far from being ma favourite of theirs (VW/MVOTC first, depending on the mood, then FOTB then Contra) but it's very good and it seems it's quite popular and most of the VW fans love it so it doesn't feel like a NJ to me.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 09:18 (three months ago) link

yeah, i think for many people this is their favorite release of theirs. On top of that, they're trying a bunch of new things on it, so I don't really see it as the creative stagnation coasting on momentum that for me NJs have been about.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 09:33 (three months ago) link

y'all watch

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 09:49 (three months ago) link

Might be too early to say, but I feel like reputation will ultimately be a New Jersey.

― triggercut, Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:39 AM (nine months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hmm

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 14:45 (three months ago) link

not a bad prediction

dyl, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 01:46 (three months ago) link

Tonight when my daughter wasn't coming up from the basement to get ready for bed, I blasted "Bad Medicine" to flush her out.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 02:02 (three months ago) link

You = cool dad

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 02:30 (three months ago) link

I 100% stand by my Culture II vote for New Jersey status. Follow-up or no.

mr.raffles, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 03:33 (three months ago) link

Yeah Culture II might be a good one. But was it big enough, though ?
Or just the second album of a band/artist that had a big first album and then (more or less) vanished ?
Maybe a NJ requires a more established act than one like Migos.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 20 June 2019 08:42 (three months ago) link

it didn't have anything as big as "bad and boujee" but it felt just as big as its forerunner if not bigger? like if you tallied up streams and spins and all that shit i wouldn't be surprised if it actually outdid culture

even suggesting that migos 'vanished' after culture is absolutely preposterous

dyl, Friday, 21 June 2019 01:41 (two months ago) link

like, are you all misremembering culture as being significantly bigger than it actually was? i just am not understanding the disconnect here

dyl, Friday, 21 June 2019 01:43 (two months ago) link

if you tallied up streams and spins and all that shit i wouldn't be surprised if it actually outdid culture

Cause it has twice as many tracks.

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 June 2019 01:43 (two months ago) link

if we're setting arbitrary rules for what is and is not a new jersey then "all/most of the members immediately pursued solo projects in lieu of making the next album" would seem to be a good disqualifier

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 21 June 2019 02:16 (two months ago) link

didn't Jon Bon Jovi release a solo album after New Jersey?

(with that "wanted dead or alive" song)

silverfish, Friday, 21 June 2019 02:45 (two months ago) link

it’s extremely balsy to break from the band NAMED AFTER YOURSELF for a solo project

brimstead, Friday, 21 June 2019 02:54 (two months ago) link

Silverfish gets it. The same swaggering hubris that creates a NJ also enables substandard solo lps.

dyl - I'm agreeing with you that Culture II was just as big or bigger than Culture (just like a New Jersey!), but, their solo records that followed flopped (worse than Jon Bon Jovi's that followed NJ) and there's zero sense of event about a Migos release or solo feature at this point. If their next album does HALF the numbers that Culture II did, it'll be a real surprise and victory for them.

"Position to Win" didn't even hit 5 mill plays on Spotify! An act on top of their game does that in their sleep.

mr.raffles, Friday, 21 June 2019 03:00 (two months ago) link

none of the solo migos records have ever done particularly well

Cause it has twice as many tracks.

the relationship between the number of tracks and the amount of streams a project gets over the course of its commercial life has been vastly exaggerated by 'death of the album'-type coverage. the effect, when it does exist, is concentrated on the first week the record comes out, when more die-hards are listening. even if you restrict your focus to the biggest 3 or 4 tracks from each, culture ii is easily on the same level as culture

there's zero sense of event about a Migos release

i will concede that this is somewhat true, altho i wouldn't go as far as to say 'zero'

idk for me a new jersey is an album that lands with a big splash but does well but ultimately fails to have the kind of legs the predecessor(s) did and gives one the sense that the act will never quite reach those heights again. even if the artist's cultural footprint seems to have weakened somewhat, an album that does basically the same numbers as the predecessor doesn't really fit the bill imo! tswift's reputation and paula abdul's spellbound are new jerseys -- culture ii is not.

dyl, Friday, 21 June 2019 03:27 (two months ago) link

This thread is so mammoth, it’s interesting to pick a search term like “Monster” or “Eminem,” and track it all the way thru.

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Friday, 21 June 2019 03:41 (two months ago) link

I think the truer definition of NJ is that the New Jersey 100% does the business (or very close to it) that its predecessor did. Like... New Jersey! haha The come down is when the NEXT album is released.

I'll concede that there isn't ZERO sense of event. Truth. Let's just say that Culture II was eagerly awaited, and the next one is something ppl aren't really thirsty like that for.

mr.raffles, Friday, 21 June 2019 03:42 (two months ago) link

I think Bob Dylan’s “Desire” album fits the bill. It came out near the peak of his sales, right after an iconic album, sold well but presaged a big drop on the next album, and has since fallen considerably in critical estimation.

o. nate, Friday, 21 June 2019 12:16 (two months ago) link

actually, Desire sold even better than BOTT.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 12:23 (two months ago) link

So that’s a point in its favor, no?

o. nate, Friday, 21 June 2019 12:24 (two months ago) link

The problem with Desire as an NJ is that you still hear its singles out & about. Once I heard «  One more cup of coffee » at a Burger King in Shinjuku.

L'assie (Euler), Friday, 21 June 2019 12:45 (two months ago) link

Sorry to derail but:

didn't Jon Bon Jovi release a solo album after New Jersey?

(with that "wanted dead or alive" song)

"Wanted Dead Or Alive" was the third single from Slippery When Wet

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 21 June 2019 12:47 (two months ago) link

(You're thinking of "Blaze of Glory", which was also on the Young Guns II soundtrack)

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 21 June 2019 12:48 (two months ago) link

bob dylan's career is too long and winding for any one album to be considered a NJ

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 June 2019 12:51 (two months ago) link

Street-Legal is the only Dylan studio album to go platinum in the UK. Now that would be a Dylan NJ...

L'assie (Euler), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:03 (two months ago) link

Been thinking that, despite "Work It", 'Under Construction' could be Missy's NJ.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:05 (two months ago) link

I like The Cookbook too much to get on board with that.

o. nate, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:11 (two months ago) link

Street-Legal broke Dylan's three-album #1 streak in the States but Slow Train Coming went platinum. I guess you can argue his career went downhill until 1997, but Dylan's career doesn't have many mega hits. I think we said up thread that he doesn't qualify for this thread.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:12 (two months ago) link

right, blaze of glory. I should have looked that up. I'm not really a bon jovi expert, all I know is basically just from hearing my older sister play her bon jovi tapes constantly when I was a kid.

many xps

silverfish, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:14 (two months ago) link

I'm trying to remember how Blaze of Glory goes and I can remember the chorus pretty well but the rest of the song always turns into Wanted Dead or Alive

silverfish, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:16 (two months ago) link

Jeff Beck solo

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:19 (two months ago) link

Benmont Tench! Little Richard! Aldo Nova!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:28 (two months ago) link

Under Construction is a good one. Especially since it sold more than Miss E... So Addictive.
As for Dylan, yeah, he doesn't belong in this thread.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:30 (two months ago) link

xp: Dr. Scott!

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:36 (two months ago) link

ha, i sat down a couple weeks ago to try and make the Missy case for This Is Not A Test!. but after typing half a paragraph i actually looked at her singles and album sales, and there really wasn't a jump down to The Cookbook... But Under Construction doesn't feel right to me, given how large Work It! still looms in her legend. At the same time, I'd agree that none of her albums after that felt like "events" in the same way.

IMHO she kinda just put them out too fast.... the right call commercially, but in terms of narrative/event status, it was more like a pre-Thriller approach, with a record almost every year and just 2-3 singles for each, and if it's 3, one of them was far less convincing and made basically no cultural impact.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Friday, 21 June 2019 17:20 (two months ago) link

I think the truer definition of NJ is that the New Jersey 100% does the business (or very close to it) that its predecessor did. Like... New Jersey! haha The come down is when the NEXT album is released.

I'll concede that there isn't ZERO sense of event. Truth. Let's just say that Culture II was eagerly awaited, and the next one is something ppl aren't really thirsty like that for.

― mr.raffles, Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

solid definition though i think the truest Jersey is the one where the excitement for the album is based on the absurdly successful previous one, and even more ideally the Jersey album has taken *just* a bit too long to come out and there's a sense that time has passed the band by a bit, and that sense is not contradicted by a stunning artistic statement but a very perfunctory by-the-numbers release.

Which is why Def Leppard really Jerseyed it with Adrenalize -- it's such a non-entity as an album that anyone who wasn't there in 1991 or 1992 awaiting its release couldn't possible imagine people were excited for it, but i mean people were super hyped for it. Every dude i knew in high school grabbed a copy. But 1992 was very different from 1987-1988 and there was that sense that the game was up. So even before a Jersey comes out you have that premonition. Though it's also true that some Jerseys are only successfully diagnosed retrospectively. Sometimes very long after the fact.

omar little, Friday, 21 June 2019 17:37 (two months ago) link

idk for me a new jersey is an album that lands with a big splash but does well but ultimately fails to have the kind of legs the predecessor(s) did and gives one the sense that the act will never quite reach those heights again. even if the artist's cultural footprint seems to have weakened somewhat, an album that does basically the same numbers as the predecessor doesn't really fit the bill imo! tswift's reputation and paula abdul's spellbound are new jerseys -- culture ii is not.

― dyl, Friday, 21 June 2019 03:27 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

???? This totally describes culture ii. They got usurped by Lil baby/gunna right after culture ii dropped

The one way culture ii is not a New Jersey is omar’s definition of it taking too long to come out ... they def seemed to rush it out the door to capitalize while they could

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 21 June 2019 18:26 (two months ago) link

But like no one cares about those songs even tho he numbers were solid, “walk it like i talk it” is not a collective memory single like Versace or bad & boujee

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 21 June 2019 18:27 (two months ago) link

or "T-Shirt"

old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 June 2019 18:51 (two months ago) link

Yup. Thanks, D and Voodoo That’s exactly what I was getting at. They went from being the novel young guns to being slower on their feet elders during the CII campaign. Newer artists had bigger pop hits AND bigger street tracks. Outgunned from all sides.
Also, coming out too late isn’t a NJ feature. NJ came out what, 2-2 1/2 years after Slippery?

mr.raffles, Friday, 21 June 2019 22:23 (two months ago) link

The lateness isn’t so much an essential quality as it is an added feature further enhancing the jerseyness.

omar little, Friday, 21 June 2019 22:51 (two months ago) link

I'm nostalgic for the two weeks when we were pretending "T-Shirt" was the greatest song of all time to wind up deej

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:41 (two months ago) link

It isn't.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:56 (two months ago) link

?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:56 (two months ago) link

i hear "walk it talk it" and "motorsport" and (unfortunately) "stir fry" still with decent regularity but okay i guess if you pronounce that it's not a 'collective memory single' then it's not lol xp

dyl, Saturday, 22 June 2019 01:39 (two months ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.