Every huge artist has their "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

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from the Lady Gaga ARTPOP thread:

i have a theory that every super popular artist has a "New Jersey" - like Bon Jovi's album New Jersey -- where it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:21 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^
that'd be a nice thread (if it doesn't already exist)!

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:24 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw dudes i was like a kid when New Jersey came out...but even me as just a fan, i kinda *wanted* to like New Jersey as much, and there was some sense that it was a "big deal" and i should like it and i bought the cassette but i think we all could sense it just wasn't *as good*...i'm not sure what critics thought but i bet they did, i didn't read reviews or have access to them.

so i wasn't talking critically.

but anyway like as time goes by you'll find that people going to gaga show would be way more jazzed about like "bad romance" than "edge of glory"...

like I'm trying to think of another example....Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're black, white, beige, POLLa descent: Lady Gaga - Born This Way (poll)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:46 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and people get on me about MY poll titles!

(j/k, i am curious to see how this one turns out...)

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:49 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

I think it's a stronger case to say 808s was his New Jersey

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think of a band's New Jersey as their bigger but hollower victory lap album so def Graduation not 808s

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:54 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"bigger" meaning bombast not necessarily sales

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NJ had five top tens including two #1's and except for "Bad Medicine" they've all vanished from the face of the earth

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck that noise "I'll Be There For You" will always be there for me

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Born To Be My Baby" and "Lay Your Hands On Me" are definitely arena filler though

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all i remember about "living in sin" is that the video seemed risque when i last saw it in elementary school

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg I had completely blocked "Living In Sin" from my memory

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

parents got upset when "Living in Sin" showed two mulleted youths defying society and good fashion taste and I think MTV banned it from playing during daylight hours or something

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously mad at all of you right now, gah

you are ruining my JAMC because all I can hear over "Catchfire" is the chorus to "Living In Sin"

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To be a New Jersey:
- follow-up to a huge, (possibly) defining record
- has less and/or smaller hits than prev album - or - hits based more on momentum than appeal
- brings with it the feeling that the NEXT record (if there is one) will see the bottom fall out (relatively speaking)

Sound about right?

I'll go ahead and nominate 'Here's to Future Days.'

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

then I nominate Huey Lewis and the News' Fore!.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ SO otm

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did Around the World in a Day feel that way in '85?

― Eric H., Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:02 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (five years ago) Permalink

Fore! is the fourth album by American rock band Huey Lewis and the News, released in 1986 (see 1986 in music). The album hit number one on the Billboard 200 album chart and contained five top-ten Billboard Hot 100 singles, including the number-one hits: "Stuck with You" and "Jacob's Ladder."

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (five years ago) Permalink

this is American Life in a nutshell

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:05 (five years ago) Permalink

or wait, is it Music? I think actually Music is the album that qualifies

I'm so bad at this

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (five years ago) Permalink

are we conflating "victory lap" albums with Huge Event Albums That Ultimately Feel Shallow?

cuz Music feels like both!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Cher - Heart of Stone

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:09 (five years ago) Permalink

how i phrased it in the other thread:

it's just an album that survived mostly on zeitgeist and professionalism that in hindsight served as a stopgap before a major drop or left turn

not everyone has one!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:07 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^bingo

Dan, for most people Madonna is an 80s artists or an early 90s artists at the very latest....she wasn't huge in pop culture by then, you could make a case for Erotica but i don't think she has a New Jersey.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

but either way madonna was no where near her zeitgiest or sales peak on ray of light, which is what i think dan is suggesting?

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

R.E.M. - Monster

From Wikipedia:
Monster debuted #1 in the US and UK charts. "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" and "Bang and Blame" were the band's last American Top 40 hits. Their following album New Adventures in Hi-Fi debuted at number two in the US and number one in the UK. The five million copies of the album sold were a reversal of the group's commercial fortunes of the previous five years.

Moka, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Mj's "bad"

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Music doesn't count cuz "Don't Tell Me" is like one of her biggest late era hits and people love that album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

An element of buyer's remorse also factors in. The "I realized one album too late that he/she/they were never all that."

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

it's funny....Watch the Throne ISN'T one of these because of where it fits in their careers, but man does it FEEL like one.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

― skip, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^great example

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost I mean, that's the pulse reading everyone's giving Born This Way now.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (five years ago) Permalink

Melon Collie has too many fans to count. Plus "1979"!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

Smashing Pumpkins fans aren't saying "oh man I can't even remember those Melon Collie singles"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Monster is probably a much better mid 90s example of this though... Mellon Collie certainly has its "hollow" moments but "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" is probably the real beginning of the end for SP.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:15 (five years ago) Permalink

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

so, I feel a lot of this is based on perception rather than actual performance; Ray of Light has sold more copies than Like A Prayer, for example

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't want to admit Monster counts cuz I love it but the sheer number of copies sold back probably defines "buyer's remorse"

Rattle & Hum probably counts in that it was definitely followed by a left turn and people today would be like "um, Angel In Harlem was a top 20 hit? Really?"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I get the sense artists don't recover from their New Jersey.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost - Monster is, in many ways, the iconic Used CD.

on an indie rock level:

The Shins - Chutes too Narrow

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

― Euler, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but Rattle & Hum is a New Jersey...U2 just did the trick of pulling a Kid A after a New Jersey

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

haha raffles is good at this

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Bon Jovi has certainly had a ton of hits and made a ton of cash since but it was definitely a game changer. Madonna doesn't quite work because basically she was Queen Shit and aging gracefully (with a mild mis-step around Erotica) and then made American Life.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Human touch/Lucky town

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

Maybe then it's less a signpost of "career decline" and more a mass discovery of career limits that didn't previously seem obvious/relevant.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Mj's "bad"

I would say it's probably Dangerous, that was MJ's first CD-length album and clearly was meant to be the start of a new era, free from QJ, on to a different sound, etc. etc. And there were a ton of singles from it but compared to Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, only maybe one of them is still ubiquitous today (and that one is one of his most routinely mocked).

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Even less-huge artists have this. e.g., Replacements and Don't Tell a Soul.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Genesis - I Can't Dance (in re: the career of Phil Collins)

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Don Henley - The End of the Innocence

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (five years ago) Permalink

that album still has a lot of respect for a Don Henley album - in Don's career I'd argue Eagles' Hell Freezes Over

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (five years ago) Permalink

nice one frogbs

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:22 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah but i don't think a New Jersey is necessarily terrible or even critical reviled, it can be good and popular etc but there's this inexpressible sense that the era of this artist is slipping away even as they are super popular at the moment.

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

― frogbs, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:21 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:23 (five years ago) Permalink

thing is, an album like End Of The Innocence or Melon Collie isn't loaded with the sense of somebody slipping away, it's just the last album they made before it happened.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:24 (five years ago) Permalink

and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.

melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^good one

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wouldnt wish be a better examp

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (five years ago) Permalink

(if you buy that it was recorded behind the label's back, which I kinda don't)

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:26 (four months ago) Permalink

going back there's Nebraska

Nashville seems to let its stars do low-key vanity albums every once in awhile-- your bluegrass, gospel, Americana-like, instrumental guitar records etc

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Pink kinda did that on her third album - she got together with Tim Armstrong from Rancid and wrote 10 songs in a week, then padded the album out with a couple of Linda Perry leftovers and a song with Peaches. Everyone hates it, but it's my favorite of her albums.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:30 (four months ago) Permalink

I would assume most major artists' contracts preclude them from ditching the whole circus and making a terrific record on the cheap somewhere

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:21 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well yeah, but what are those contracts like? 3-4 record deal? by the time an artist reaches this theoretical point, they would've presumably already run out their contract.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:32 (four months ago) Permalink

360 deals, surely

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:35 (four months ago) Permalink

xxxp alpine static it may not have been done on the cheap but ANTI is the all-time 'Fuck it' album by a pop star ever.

piscesx, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:38 (four months ago) Permalink

in what universe does an album that hones in on the most successful part of its all-over-the-place predecessor ("Pour It Up"), has well-curated features including fucking Drake, and generally hews to sonic trends qualify as a "fuck it" album

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:40 (four months ago) Permalink

like I know that's the marketing but come on

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:40 (four months ago) Permalink

when did 360 deals become the norm?

flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:52 (four months ago) Permalink

that's a great point, i didn't think about that - those deals are insane. touring? merch????

flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:53 (four months ago) Permalink

are they 10 year contracts or something

flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:53 (four months ago) Permalink

^^ When Ticketmaster became LiveNation.

to pimp a barfly (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 21:07 (four months ago) Permalink

I would assume most major artists' contracts preclude them from ditching the whole circus and making a terrific record on the cheap somewhere

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, May 9, 2017 1:21 PM (two hours ago)

indeed, i would assume this, too; as flappy bird said, i meant "when they end a contract / have an opportunity legally" but didn't say it!

fun responses ... i probably should've started a thread

alpine static, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 22:56 (four months ago) Permalink

I was going to also say that she seemed to be actually aping Gaga, specifically the "Alejandro" video, but I looked it up and the "Not Myself Tonight" clip actually dropped a couple months earlier! Huh.

It was pretty obvious (and intentional I'm sure) that she was aping the "Express Yourself", "Human Nature", "Like A Prayer", and "Freedom 90" videos, but with a 10th of the budget.

Gaga was aping "Express Yourself" and "Vogue" for "Alejandro", hence the similarities.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 00:15 (four months ago) Permalink

360 deals became the norm when album sales fell off a cliff. paramore was one of the first bands to be famous for signing one; u2 and madonna were trumpeted to have signed them with live nation although they didn't fully close because LN was lacking in label infrastructure.

i love this song from LOTUS. it's very similar in feel to charli xcx's semi contemporaneous "superlove"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TeHR0IrTDcI

there's a dearth of female pop personalities on the radio right now and the struggles gaga and KP have been having are a symptom of that. rihanna is the exception that proves the rule

maura, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 01:53 (four months ago) Permalink

but this week the only woman in the top 10 is selena gomez, who's on a kygo song. the other women on radio right now all have bland names (mostly mononymic) and sound like they're on the verge of sneezing fits - daya, etc. even halsey was sanded down into the chainsmokers dink's mirror image for her big chart topper. the better to fit into a chainsmokers or louis the child track i guess but it sure makes everything sound boring.

maura, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 01:56 (four months ago) Permalink

the other women on radio right now all have bland names (mostly mononymic) and sound like they're on the verge of sneezing fits

lolol love U

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 02:01 (four months ago) Permalink

i find myself wishing stars like Christina would just say "fuck it" and ditch the whole circus and go make a terrific record on the cheap somewhere. what are some examples - if any exist - of a star that big doing something like that?

I guess Kid A and to a much lesser extent Yankee Hotel Foxtrot are the paradigms of that.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 02:35 (four months ago) Permalink

What is Radiohead's "What a Girl Wants"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 02:37 (four months ago) Permalink

yea this only applies to popstars mired in bad contracts and label politics

flappy bird, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 02:52 (four months ago) Permalink

oh man i hope this thread can become the seedbed for ANOTHER topic where people endlessly propose acts and situations that don't even remotely fit the premise

✓ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 03:21 (four months ago) Permalink

(<3 you all but really)

✓ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 03:23 (four months ago) Permalink

nelly furtado sort of put out a record like that this year

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 03:42 (four months ago) Permalink

i find myself wishing stars like Christina would just say "fuck it" and ditch the whole circus and go make a terrific record on the cheap somewhere. what are some examples - if any exist - of a star that big doing something like that?

how important is the cheap part? feel like Frank Ocean did something like this but Blonde cost a couple million iirc

niels, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 06:13 (four months ago) Permalink

yes, how dare people stray from the laser-focused premise of "super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up"

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 06:52 (four months ago) Permalink

ok lol but tbf there was a lot of hashing out of nuance from there, and the thread does describe something specific enough that it got really silly when people started trying to submit things like the eighth Boredoms album or whatever. like there's probably a thread where it would be very fun to talk about niche acts and their respective arcs, but submitting them here was like saying "i haven't read anything in the thread and only half the words in the title but how about this one folks?"

✓ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 11:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Feel like with all the clowning on Drake nowadays it's increasingly clear Views was a New Jersey

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 13:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Somehow skipped this thread for four years... just spent like 3 hours reading the whole thing.

Laughed at this

all rap new jerseys are actually called new jeruz

Some rap New Jeruz that haven't been mentioned I don't think:

Master P - MA da Last Don
actually his highest selling album (4 mill) but clearly the end of the line for him. and no memorable songs.

Wyclef - The Ecleftic: 2 Sides II a Book
sold quite a bit based off the success of the carnival, had that one song w the rock. 911 still a jam tho.

LL Cool J - 14 Shots to the Dome & GOAT think he had two .

Luda - Release Therapy

DMX - The Great Depression

Ice Cube - War n Peace

Spottie, Saturday, 13 May 2017 08:26 (four months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Witness.

piscesx, Saturday, 10 June 2017 13:51 (three months ago) Permalink

Nelly - Sweat/Suit

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 June 2017 16:19 (three months ago) Permalink

people keep forgetting this part: where it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.

i.e. witness would not be a New Jersey, but Prism might

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Saturday, 10 June 2017 21:13 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah I thought we had already decided that Prism was a NJ

President Keyes, Sunday, 11 June 2017 00:34 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

surely Bee Gees 'Spirits Having Flown' is one of these? it featured 3 US number 1s, shifted 16 million copies. the follow up Living Eyes sold 750,000.

piscesx, Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Got discussed way back in the early days of the thread iirc! I agree with you.

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:02 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

is boyz ii men's (inappropriately-titled) evolution one of these? opened at number one, spawned a number-one lead single and follow-up top ten hit, but also marked the beginning of their shockingly precipitous decline

dyl, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 19:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I'd say so.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 19:50 (one month ago) Permalink

thought for sure this bump was gonna be about Arcade Fire

frogbs, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:05 (one month ago) Permalink

^^

niels, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:09 (one month ago) Permalink

I think the last one was

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:12 (one month ago) Permalink

yup

niels, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Ice Cube - War n Peace

was this really a "huge event" album that spawned hits? I don't remember hearing a single song from it.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah he'd been gone for awhile at that point and there wasn't a lot of excitement about his comeback. I'd say Lethal Injection was the start of the decline.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Not familiar with "Pushin' Weight", but I am familiar with "You Can Do It" from War & Peace Vol 2.

MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:22 (one month ago) Permalink

you can do it was pretty big but yeah maybe yall are right

Spottie, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm also discovering that You Can Do It became a hit in the UK in 2004, of all times, which seems a little weird.

MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:29 (one month ago) Permalink

probably a video game or something?

Spottie, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Britishers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Would El Perro Del Mar "Love is Not Pop" qualify? It seems to be her last successful album over all. The next one "Pale Fire" did have a minor hit in "Walk On By" but the latest didn't even register at all.

I love them all though.

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Mr. Short Khop 4 eva

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:52 (one month ago) Permalink

got credit his hussle a little bit

Mr. Short Khop, (pronounced "short chop") or simply Short Khop (born Lionel Hunt) is an American rapper. He encountered Ice Cube in front of a 7 Eleven convenience store in South Central, California. Ice Cube eventually struck a deal with the newcomer, and soon Short Khop made guest appearances in Ice Cube's 1998 War & Peace - Volume 1 (The War Disc)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 21:47 (one month ago) Permalink


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