Jackin' House partisans, convince a skeptic

Tim F, now is your time to shine.

Where does the line come between funky, jackin and afrobeats? I still don't really understand the differences clearly.

I'm not ignoring this thread btw.

I don't think afrobeats really has a line (because afrobeats is an umbrella term rather than a genre or scene per se), there could be funky afrobeats and for that matter jackin afrobeats if the artists in question fancy it.

Where does the line come between funky, jackin and afrobeats? I still don't really understand the differences clearly.

Well I'm not an expert either but I think it mostly comes down to the different kind of beats. Funky = beats with clave/3:2 type snare patterns at about 130bpm. Jackin = much straighter-sounding beats with the snares on the 2 and the 4 in each bar. I think Jackin tunes tend to be slightly slower too, closer to 120bpm but could well be wrong on this.
Afrobeats is a bit more diverse and harder to pin down. Some of the beat patterns are def similar to Funky, but the genre covers a lot of different types of beats at different tempos. The main thing that marks it out is obv the influence from African music, and a lot tunes have vocals or MCing done in West African accents + patois. That's the other thing that separates it from Funky and Jackin, it's more heavily vocal/song orientated.

why does it have such a terrible name

Terrible names are just a tradition in uk dance music at this stage tbh.

Great name duh.

is this a thing? how is it different to...house music

these were basically the only tracks on the summer jams thread that weren't amazing, right?

wrong.

hey i put dj ma1 in mix and you still don't listen whys that

i'm sorry i misunderstood this to be about acid house, not a subgenre of funky

It's not really different to house music (at this stage) - comparable to late 06 / 07 funky in that regard, with different sonic reference points.

Which means it has roughly the same capacity for greatness as you might expect of music "not really different to house music" - quite a lot as it turns out! But I'm not obsessed with it the way I was with funky this time four years ago.

I can't post youtubes at the moment but suffice to say Hannam and Garnett's "you want me" is total top five of the year.

i am ignoring this thread btw

what a terrible start to the thread.

Good luck with this Tim, this stuff comes in for a hella amount of stick. I'm sick of trying to defend it to people already.

Haha. Use of "partisans"?

(Xpost)

"you want me" just made me want to listen to the sadie ama original

afaik 'jackin' house' takes some of the elements of bassline but combines with a more traditional house (or maybe electro-house) palette. it's fun and it reminds me of when producers from the grime/garage/dubstep scenes started fuckin' with house properly and there was a year or so where it felt like that music could really go anywhere.

in my personal exp. the ppl i know who are heavily into uk-centric dance music scenes don't really seem to fuck with house that much (apart from a few uk ppl who are deemed releveant). i attribute this (and i could be totes wrong) to house being so daunting and ~unknowable~ where as grime or garage or whatever is more easily geeked over and fetishised. so for me, when these uk producers open up their sound in this way it is really exciting and opens up so many possibilities.

big fan of that nick hannam ft. tom zanetti track & the nick hannam track that samples robin thicke. there really is very little separating 'you want me' sonically from the house music that is massively popular in london/rest of europe rite now apart from the AWESOME, AWESOME rap. always find it interesting to see on facebook how the tom zanetti raves seem to have hot creations house ppl and big garage names on the same bill.

also notwithstanding that several of my favourite dance tracks of the year are based on r&b samples, i am sick to death of listening to new dance songs and hearinga familiar cut-up voice hove into view today

i hear one which sampled "promise" yesterday - i forget where or what, it doesn't matter - and literally turned to yell at the computer. LEAVE CIARA ALONE

^ I'll give You Want Me a listen in a bit (got the radio on just now).
I think the main thing that's holding me back with this genre is something like... there's been a few tunes I've heard that I've liked a lot (mostly ones posted on that 'Certified Jacking' youtube channel), but they've seemed like 'exceptions to the rule' kind of tunes, and I don't like being in that kind of relation with a genre. Part of why I fell so hard for funky is that at its peak (for me) I could love the whole breadth of vibes right across the scene. But there's been tonnes of Jackin' tunes that people have showed me and I've just felt like 'nah that's naff' and a lot of them as far as I know are fairly representative of where the sound is at right now.
I'm aware this all sounds like hand-wringing.
(xpost to Tim)

I think Hannam is signed to Hot Creations now?

also "you want me" just fades out randomly? i assume that's not how it's meant to be but don't give me that incomplete shit to listen to thanks very much

The Dissensus Jackin' thread for anyone interested:
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?11791-Jackin-Electroline

you can buy the full version of you want me off bigtunesmp3.com

its my favourite tune

also "you want me" just fades out randomly? i assume that's not how it's meant to be but don't give me that incomplete shit to listen to thanks very much

― lex pretend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 10:36 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Alright everybody, clear out. This thread Jackin' House has been cancelled.

hey i put dj ma1 in mix and you still don't listen whys that

― the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 10:24 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I didn't see this?

but also in truth I'm not much of a MA1 fan...

it was the dva remix which i thought just sounded surprisingly like a good ny tribal / deep house track, ditto most stuff i like on roska kicks snares

dissensus thread is awesome

like we have all these big name producers with no sense of a sound, no scenius, all their releases such a big deal, and none of that hardcore vibe of producers just putting out fuck loads of tunes that just do the business on the dance floor

imagining it this voice

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3g9ye06uh1r05j4oo2_500.gif

eet hazza no scene-e-us!

it was the dva remix which i thought just sounded surprisingly like a good ny tribal / deep house track, ditto most stuff i like on roska kicks snares

vahid in that case there are about 20 billion sunday roast productions waiting for you.

oh nice

are they any good or are they like 20 billion jamie jones associates

in case there's any confusion i mean "i'm leaving" which basically sounds like a slightly more afrocaribbean ("africanism?") version of the nuyorican soul thing

i always pitch it way up too, if anything it's too laid-back and straight

are they any good or are they like 20 billion jamie jones associates

some are good but it gets pretty wearying.

I've only started listening to some of this, there seems to be a love of sampling really super recognizable vocals & wacky clips from movies.

so this is basically moombahton at a faster tempo?

i would send you a link tim but of course like jamie jones associates and sunday roast productions there are 20 billion online mixes to listen to and some are good but it gets pretty wearying

having said that it's in the first mix / newest mix here but i don't think you'll care much for it because it's not about scenius it's about my imaginary world where everything is one big detroit continuum

also it has nothing to do w/ the proper "jackin house" on this thread

I will check it!

thanks i'm curious about how it comes off ... it's kind of a classicist frankendance i guess, "good taste" at a remove of anywhere from 1k to 5k miles from the source

Meanwhile here's some jackin' house:

Nick Hannam & Tom Garnett ft. Tom Zanetti - You Want Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSIzlwMSo9g

Tom Zanetti Ko Kane & Lorenzo - Summertime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnaXJsv4pAM&feature=relmfu

Jamie Duggan ft. The Alliance & Viollet - Swagger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qov-4p58duc&feature=relmfu

Ill Phil & MC Sim - Away We Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOuUKzESa2s&feature=relmfu

De Contrabande - Bucky Done Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uhj14dQXCM&feature=relmfu

Francois ft. Louis Benton- I Can Say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdj8LAxTUn0

Carl Flanagan ft. Farrah - Superman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIanV-ChMgc&feature=relmfu

awesome

i just love "away we go" so much. hypnotising

THERE'S MORE TO ME THAN THE EYES CAN SEE
I AM THE LOCK, THE HANDLE AND KEY
FOR THE DOOR THAT'S HINGED ON ETERNITY

After having the owl/ufo bass from 'You Want Me' running in my head for two days straight, I have to say Jackin is growing on me. I think the electro part turned me off initially, but the skippy beats, warpy owl bass, cheeky/cheesy samples, and blatant drugginess on some of these tracks is winning me over.

I think I like about half of those youtubes. Was vibing quite a bit to Away We Go earlier. A lot of the tunes I like sound a bit like slightly slower, slightly straighter equivalents to the garagey bits DJ Q plays. A lot of this stuff has an enjoyable effortless sort of feel to it. Might try and post more coherent thoughts later, but yeah I'm coming round to it a bit.

Also off-topic but TLG I enjoyed your mix (and other ones that you've posted in the Mixes For Download thread).

thanks andy!

Seriously who the hell came up with the name? There's only one kind of jackin house. It's from Chicago and it existed two decades ago. And by jackin they really meant JACKIN. I don't hear any jack here.

(i mean the bdot ones are literally probably him leaving loz 4am voicemails like "mate, mate... tina arena" but even still that's what had to happen to for those tracks to ever exist)

Can totally imagine receiving this voicemail at 4am.

I want to make a whole Geelong mixtape built around "Chains" and "Don't Call Me Baby".

https://soundcloud.com/shift-key/name-number-cause-affect-remix

http://i.imgur.com/xI75iwh.gif

What is it about Shift K3y's bouncy, ultra sweet house pop that makes Lorenzo think of Josef Fritzl's basement?

possibly he sees shifty's cruel face, that makes all his videos a lie

or perhaps he knows even the lightest romance will always carry an edge

Last in the series, 90 min special!

LORENZO MIX VOLUME 10

https://www.mixcloud.com/bennybrassic/lorenzo-mix-volume-10/

1. Lighthouse (Hannah Wants & Chris Lorenzo RMX) - IYES
2. Everything I need - Pete Graham & Chris Lorenzo
3. Many girls - Tom Garnett & Chris Lorenzo
4. Crocodile tears (Cause & Affect remix) - GRADES
5. Name and number (Cause & Affect remix)- Shift K3y
6. 1 Bad bitch (Cause & Affect remix) - Ten Ven & Ripley X Zebra Katz
7. Understand why (Chris Lorenzo remix) - Keys N Krates
8. Hooch - Lorenzo x Kelis
9. Let's go (Cause & Affect Hazey remix) - I Killed Kenny ft. Jamie George
10. Show me (Cause & Affect remix) - Zinc & Sneaky Sound System
11. Up to no good - Ill Phil & Lorenzo
12. Faces - Sleepin is Cheatin
13. Feel the power of bass - Ill Phil & Lorenzo
14. Can't get enough - Twisted Grooves
15. Pushy pushy - Cause & Affect
16. Outlines (Chris Lorenzo remix) - Mike Mago & Dragonette
17. It's getting hectic - Ill Phil & Lorenzo ft. MC Sim
18. What you gunna do - Ill Phil & Lorenzo ft. MC Sim
19. Wicked games (Hannah Wants & Chris Lorenzo remix) - The weeknd
20. Wicked games - Chris Lake & Chris Lorenzo
21. You've got the love (VIP Rmx) - Ill Phil & Lorenzo
22. I still love you - Hannah Wants & Lorenzo
23. Space Cowboy - Chris Lorenzo & The House Monkeyz
24. $pend my money (Refix) - De Contrebande VS Lorenzo
25. Lights on - Cold Cuts & Lorenzo
26. All this love (Francois & Chris Lawrence remix) - Thomas Graham ft. Katie May
27. Don't Speak (Ill Phil & Lorenzo remix) - No Doubt

https://www.sendspace.com/file/rlrdlg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOLtYam3MP8

big

free download here: https://soundcloud.com/chris-lorenzo-1/scarecrow

sleaze tempo jackin?

https://soundcloud.com/mixmag-1/premiere-chris-lake-chris-lorenzo-the-calling

wtf, tom zanetti - darlin' is bbc R1 track of the day! (a good two years after og release) Is this a potential number 1? i could just about believe it if it wasn't gonna be swallowed up in the xmas period.

WAIT! they've only gone and edited out all the sex sounds in the new video! pure savagery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlohKSXS_9E

ha yeah this has been floating around for so long in such a low-key popular way that i thought it slightly odd but nothing notable to hear it more often recently

released on target and danny weed's label!

yum yum btw

Tom Shorterz ‏@Shorterz Dec 2
SO my @RinseFM Xmas show is looking like this 2 hours of SPEED GARAGE w/ @Lorenzosbeats & @jeremysylvester = FIREEEE !!!!

nice one, the last couple of speed garage specials they did were HUGE. and j sylvester's speed garage tracks under his G.O.D. alias are some of the finest records ever made imo, got my bass bins quivering in anticipation already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAv3LrsJ0gI

that is the best speed garage tune ever made and js gets extra props for making one of the finest 2step tunes ever too (strickly dubz 'realise' obv)

i just walked past chris lorenzo

he's a tall man

I hope "darlin" does well so Q can revive all his "deep down inside"'/ "inside of me!" blends.

looks like cause & affect is just kane now judging from the soundcloud. hope loz didnt BOTTLE it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD8iFUrt1XY

enjoyed this this year. classic grizzlejackin drollery: pony + clubland = do it like they do on the discovery channel

[sudden premonition of tom zanetti on iacgmooh]

from stampede.. to the herd

https://soundcloud.com/thisaintbristol/cause-affect-the-herd-original-mix

https://soundcloud.com/illphil-productions/ill-phil-thm-lorenzo-babycop-2016-reboot

bask in the og vintage jackin perfection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNyiKYqKsH8

set me off on a reminisce... never realised this formative set's been lying around on youtube all this time since like a week after transmission

tlist attempt here! SUMMER JAMS 2012

lol damn we FLAMED that thread though B)

don't know why it's labelled as a 2016 reboot since afaict it's identical to the version that first came out a few years ago but whatever, "Babycop" is classic whack-on-a-few-random-acapellas-lying-on-the-desktop jackin, been also enjoying this surprise 2016 addition to that particular canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJpLbq_2fho

tlist attempt here! SUMMER JAMS 2012

?? teddy riley ft tammy lucas - is it good to you

couldn't find any official confirmation but according to dodgy russian sites this one's Cause & Affect - Makin Love

ooh yeah that is alright. been meaning to have a think about 3000 bass, turning into a unexpectedly decent post-everything locus thing (see paleface now has some good bits on there)

"classic whack-on-a-few-random-acapellas-lying-on-the-desktop jackin" is true indeed but as we all know classic jackin also means anything-but-lazy casual savant genius production masterclass, which this is. even itself being called 'babycop' tbh! 1+1 to reference a third, ladycop, son of

i'm sure we could easily fill out the ids for all of that set now. was uncharted territory at the time!

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/you-want-me-feat.-sadie-ama/id1149940210

Genres: Dance, Music
Released: 16 September 2016
℗ 2016 Sony Music Entertainment UK Limited

tune unchanged. lifespan this long, javier zanetti more like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve9zVhekKX8

not saying there's actually a wave on but i do love me this tune this year

linkoban remix vibes, no wonder shorterz plays it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrnUnoEpO7U

this is...in the charts now???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_OIkuwEGtg

oh many xps, rtc was on this in sep

[sudden premonition of tom zanetti on iacgmooh]

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 December 2015 10:46 Bookmark

give it a couple years. tross mi daddi

holding a month at ~25 in the charts now

back in sept (and with 'darlin' before) i couldnt see what target & danny weed saw in rereleasing, i mean the tune remains forever a marvel but the context seemed long gone. i know better now - it was always a hidden jackin nation, never just yorks and mids - look at that towie/geordie shore video. over the last few months i've become addicted to this:

Real England

which blends a certain strain of current top 40 (analogous to kiss fresh daytime) with pure distilled wite flite banter, geezers all called dean raised on big chunky sugary sweet tooth pop garage breakbeat and 2step. this is a proper regulated fm dial station that plays richie dan 'call it fate', deetah 'relax (b&f mix)', blowfelt 'back up back up' at 2 in the afternoon

(it is also producing nothing whatsoever in terms of interesting new music but just anthropologically it's a rush)

just realised last night that lorenzo has an album out now. it is good

https://www.beatport.com/release/destroy-the-image/1881828

1. Intro
2. We Are feat. Sam Nicolosi & Chris Lake
3. Afterparty feat. Sonny Fodera
4. Purple Toe feat. DJ Zinc
5. Come Down
6. Sleep Talk feat. Alex Mills
7. Promised Land
8. Spliff Break
9. I Wanna Be (Instrumental)
10. Bad Bitch
11. Enemys
12. Off
13. Get Enough
14. Together

Oh nice. Will check this out.

https://soundcloud.com/chris-lorenzo-1/rinse-fm-chris-lorenzo-guest-mix-ft-mc-psg-and-creed-w-marcus-nastys-23rd-november-2016

it is good

― Benny B, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 10:20 Bookmark

it is not good come on m8

apart from maybe b-grade grizzle 'come down' u will never want to hear any of it again

well my first listen was last night when I bunged all the tracks into vdj, notched up the tempo and mixed through them, so that probably helped. i generally don't listen to these sort of things as albums anyway, just collections of tracks to dj with. the only one i actively disliked was 'we are', 'sleep talk' seemed like a highlight.

faint praise I know...

it's a house album, of course it's completely inessential

https://soundcloud.com/skippit/skippit-the-art-of-digging

mad ting or wot. d double and steinski!!!!!

skippit is a mosh-bass-grime etc producer from southampton who i might have characterised as a delinquent younger sibling to royal-t - iirc he came to brief prominence late '14 with a whirring monster re-edit of flava d's 'in the dance' and for the most part has carried on in that marginal bootleg vein since

dj shadow interview samples and dusty breaks are the super extreme outlier obv but it's interesting to think of og jackin's morbidly amused chuck-it-in magpie restlessness resurfacing in whatever this current yoof scene is

https://bossmischief.bandcamp.com/album/refix-champion

cf like this guy and his nutty edits too

https://bossmischief.bandcamp.com/track/madonna-madness-bonus-track

tc4 unforgettably flinging this one into their i-d mix last year

https://soundcloud.com/chris-lorenzo-1/chris-lorenzo-kiss-fresh-guest-mix-july-2018

This was good too.
https://soundcloud.com/chris-lorenzo-1/ghost-dub-ft-polina

Only the most tenuous ring-filtery connection to jackin tho really.

get on that socially isolated floor and shake your tailfeather to this one, super good stuff

https://www.mixcloud.com/DutchRobinson/collective-housing-04-collaborative-mix-w-rick-van-der-voorn/

nice

just as an NB jclc, the 'jacking house' in that mix is the old-school chicago-style definition. this thread is about the birmingham, UK centred style of housey bass-driven garage with big nasty ring-filter sounds on the bassline

one of those extremely confusing bits of nomenclature, like the two quite different genres 'afrobeat' and 'afrobeats'

I regret posting US jacking house to the UK jacking house thread! still, a great mix

it is!! no apologies NO SORRY ALLOWED ON THIS BOARD DAMMIT

reminds me of some good nights at frank's lounge in brooklyn

is birmingham jacking house related at all to birmingham techno (surgeon regis etc) or are we talking just completely different eras / scenes?

https://on.soundcloud.com/PPEg8iFRXpZzuqyr9

Kitone & Kapunzen - “Jack”