Primal Scream: C or D?

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Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 23 September 2002 06:15 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like "Velocity Girl" but not much else.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 23 September 2002 06:15 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I pretty love everything they've ever done, pretty much, for wildly different reasons - all their albums are ace in their own way but largely incomparable IMHO. Sot heard Evil Heat yet but by all accounts it's XTRMNTR Part Deux - thoughts?

I do smell a large rat re: Bobby G tho - he doesn't half talk shite and seems to hook onto "trendy" causes without any genuine-sounding justification.

[but, one of his daft proclamations did elecit my first ever published letter in Melody Maker back in 1992, so maybe I should be thanking him for his guileless motormouthery...]

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 23 September 2002 06:31 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They're pretty damn ridiculous, but every once in a while a fairly smokin' track emerges from their syringe-strewn quarters.

gazuga, Monday, 23 September 2002 06:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

don't fight it feel it was good, and i still have a soft spot for the album version of come together. this threads been done many times before though, i'm sure of it!

gareth (gareth), Monday, 23 September 2002 07:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Three Bobby Gillespies went to swim in a river. They suspended their clothes on the branch of a tree, and no sooner had they started to swim than a big bird landed on the branch and their clothes dipped into the water.

'This is terrible!' said one of the Bobby Gillespies, pointing to the fact that the clothes were in the water.

'How beautiful!' exclaimed the second Bobby Gillespie, pointing at the bird.

And the third continued to swim, since he was there to swim and not to make value judgements.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 23 September 2002 07:53 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

There was an article in the Observer recently asking creative bright sparks where they get their ideas and one of the people interviewed was B Gillespie!! Sadly the interview was not just a huge full page picture of BG pointing at his heaving CD racks and grinning.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 23 September 2002 08:33 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, you people are so mean. Bobby G is my first love and I shall love him till the day I die.

I liked the weedy, hippie jangleshit. I put up with the endless stoner Stones jams. I LOVED the freeform psychedelic house music. I loved the acerbic post-come-down speed jitter discopunk even more.

Bobby G is of course my perfect man, and someday he will marry me and take away to his Battersea Dogs Home for lost great guitarists from the late 80s. The end!

kate, Monday, 23 September 2002 09:45 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

primal scream is the worst...Westlife prob have more going for them (i said prob).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 23 September 2002 09:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Primal Scream are more attractive than Westlife. No, I know that's not saying a lot.

Yes, I am going to sit and this thread and shoot down every single of one of you that tries to say bad things about my beloved Bobby G. Or maybe I'll just spread a giant net across the New North Road until Bobby G comes cycling by, kidnap him and sit him down in front of this computer to answer them himself!

kate, Monday, 23 September 2002 09:53 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

''Bobby G comes cycling by, kidnap him and sit him down in front of this computer to answer them himself!''

yes please. I'd love to insult him myself.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 23 September 2002 10:02 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty damn classic - I love the way they've absorbed pretty much every other significant indie band (Stone Roses, MBV and uh Felt) of their generation in a Borglike fashion to create the ultimate band.

Recently saw them for the 13th time in 15 years and still very fine.

The Actual song Screamadelica on the Dixie Narco 12" is the best thing ever.

tigerclawskank, Monday, 23 September 2002 10:05 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

the Scream's greatest moment was paying Andrew Weatherall to sample them on his debut single. I think their occasional "in my hour of darkness" Chilton/Parsons self-mythologising druggy despairing periods are as funny as U2's journey to blues authenticity. And the fact they kept re-making their horrendous second LP then getting it remixed by DJs. Now they have their own ideas they are probably the worst band ever.

ghostly wilbur, Monday, 23 September 2002 10:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Julio ... resistance is fuuuuutile! Yoooooouuu will be assimilated!

Bobby Gee, Monday, 23 September 2002 10:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like them, hahaha, AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT ILM!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 23 September 2002 10:13 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

''I like them, hahaha, AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT ILM!''

OK how much do i have to pay for the next flight to Dublin?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 23 September 2002 10:16 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

As a meticulously assembled and often ridiculous checklist of cool reference points which also happens to often rock like a bastard, I love them.

As the frazzled pop pioneers Bobby G seems to think that they are - DUD.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 23 September 2002 10:27 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic for getting Shields off his big fat ass.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 23 September 2002 10:46 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"I love the way they've absorbed pretty much every other significant indie band (Stone Roses, MBV and uh Felt) of their generation in a Borglike fashion to create the ultimate band."

Well, they're not the ultimate band. I like 'em a lot though - Vanishing Point, XTRMNTR and Screamadelica are all ace. People complain that they're only as good as whoever is producing them, but I honestly don't care how much influence their producers have if the end result is going to be a great record.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 23 September 2002 11:23 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic for getting Shields off his big fat ass.

Hey, you're mean.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 September 2002 12:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

electric jim speaks TRUTH. I couldn't care less about anything pre-XTRMNTR but I like it and the new one a lot. Even though I realize it's trend-jumping, at least they jumped a good one this time.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 23 September 2002 12:01 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

While I've liked select tracks of theirs (notably their cover of "Motorhead"), I can't help feeling their transformation from hedonistic party boys circa SCREAMADELICA into politically-charged agitprop rabble-rousers circa XTRMNTR seemed a bit of a disengenuous pose. Morever, apart from "Movin'On Up," I've yet to hear a single of theirs that really lept out at me....and even "Movin' On Up" was a bit....feh!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 23 September 2002 12:26 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"their transformation from hedonistic party boys circa SCREAMADELICA into politically-charged agitprop rabble-rousers circa XTRMNTR seemed a bit of a disengenuous pose."

Absolutely. I don't think anyone takes Bobby G and his (frankly Gallagher-esque) ranting too seriously. But most of the music is intoxicating enough to make me forget this.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 23 September 2002 12:36 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

You're probably right, Kilian, but he takes HIMSELF awfully seriously, it seems.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 23 September 2002 12:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Utterly classic since I never have to hear their little politicalstyle rants. Stones worship aside I like just about everything else.
And they were the namechecked band that gave Christian Slater his indie cred in Pump Up The Volume♪s openning sequence, with a taped copy of Screamadelica sitting on top of the stack. How cutting edge, how undergroünd!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 23 September 2002 13:01 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

What bugs me the most about the new Scream LP is that it seems to want to equate noisy (or bad) production with danger. It doesn't stop me listening to the record and liking it, but some of the production sounds like a bad demo and it distracts from what could be an even better album. Maybe it's Kevin S's ears that are fucked, I dunno... maybe it's mine...

In the meantime, love 'em, from indie jangle onwards. Still think they did the worst gig I've ever seen in '94 though.

Rob M, Monday, 23 September 2002 13:06 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Is anyone else a tad surprised by the direction this thread is taking? Where are all the haterz?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 23 September 2002 13:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Afraid of a bitchslap to the head from MEEEEE!!!

bobby gee, Monday, 23 September 2002 13:12 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

we'll if only Bobby was REALLY here I think all the ''haterz'' would come out.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 23 September 2002 13:17 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

the most interesting uninteresting band in Blighty - classic

blueski, Monday, 23 September 2002 16:23 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I need a few more spins on it but Evil Heat is Vanshing Point to EXTRMNTR's Screamadelica. Darker, noiser, good enough but not as jarringly good/unexpected.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 23 September 2002 17:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I just heard _Screamadelica_ for the first time a few weeks ago, and I enjoyed it a whole WHOLE lot. I can't believe I had never gotten around to them before, but so it goes.

Clarke B., Monday, 23 September 2002 18:14 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Also, I can't understand why so many people dis' Bobby's voice - I think it sounds cool.

Clarke B., Monday, 23 September 2002 18:14 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Bobby's terrible singing on "I'm Losing More than I'll Ever Have" melts the ice in my heart.

"Rocks" was a guaranteed floor-filler at Cafe Bleu.

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felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 19:37 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pah Kate Masonic Boom, I am not afraid of yer bitch-slapping skills, coz we've DONE THIS ONE BEFORE!@#!@# I like "Gentle Tuesday" B/C ov thee k-k3wl rickenbacker 12-string solo @ thee end, but I think everything else they have EVER done is utter rubbish. I have seen them live twice as well. Once for their grunge bandwagon jumping 2nd album, which was actually OK coz they did rock a bit, and the LOUD elecktric guitars drowned out little BBBYZ horrid voice. I saw them on "Screamadelica" tour, and my god did it sux0r. High point ov gig - noticing that wee bobby could not even manage to clap his hands in time! Awful. I think that BBBy should give up music, and spouting off rubbish in music paperz, and he should dedicate his life to Ms St Claire's happiness & pleasure. A compromise most agreeable I'm sure. (BTW I think the h4t4z have already dissed PRML SCRM before on more than one occasion, & might not feel like going through it all again)

N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 23 September 2002 19:47 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and co-incidentally, I have been thinking about actually writing my bobby g / alex from blur prison bitch scenario slash lit. Should I do it?

N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 23 September 2002 19:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

pleaSE! what a hunkfest

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:01 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

For the next record, Primal Scream should let Shieldsy write all the songs and call it "My Bloody Valentine" in a clever twist.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 23 September 2002 23:03 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

justyn had it right from the start. i'd rather listen to adventures in stereo.

keith (keithmcl), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 00:36 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

How come there's always some idiot who says they liked the first song a band released but nothing else. That just sucks. Starting thread NOW.

paul b, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 21:16 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
i don't know if this little gem has been discussed on ILM yet, but it caused me much merriment. It's from a Q interview where readers send in questions. Bobby Gillespie's turn was up:

Reader:
"A few years ago i blagged a ticket to an icelandic music festival, travelling with primal scream and prodigy. on a day off, after taking a coach up a very steep mountain road to a glacier, you threw an embarrassingly girly fit, refused to travel down with the rest of us, and demanded a hellicopter. remember?"

Bobby G:
"haha! Right, what happened was it took hours to get up there and the whole time I thought the bus was going to topple over the edge, and i was really cold too. when we got to the top, i just went 'get me fucking out of here'. and this guy put me in a jeep and drove me back at 90mph - that was really exciting, like being in some crazy road movie. as for demanding the hellicopter, yeah i probably did. Hey, that's fair enough. I'm a lead singer in a fucking rock and roll band! Why not?"

I love the way he tries to regain some macho pride by saying "that was really exciting, like being in some crazy road movie". Bobby gillespie: man of the people, indeed.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

the interviews with Bobby are quite funny.

the music, on the other hand...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:48 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

...is often incredibly funny.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

so its comedy. and that's bad. right?

interviews with bobby are funny bcz he's a bit of a fule!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Worst. Band. Ever. Except MC5.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

cozen, we have just connected!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:12 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i've not once been able to sit through a full album of theirs. some of them have some interesting moments, sometimes ("Rocks", "Kill All Hippies") but i don't think this redeems them. there's something in their music that makes me very uncomfortable, but not in a good way.

Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I expect I've said this here before, but I love them and have (I think) all their records and lots of bootlegs too. And I adore Bobby G (albeit probably not as much as Kate does, and I've never met him). They've provided some of my favourite and least favourite live moments, sometimes minutes apart. I remember seeing them once with a pal, and Loaded was absolutely magnificent, one of the best performances of a single track I've seen, then another song had been going for some minutes before my friend and I turned to another at the same moment, as we had just registered that it was supposed to be Come Together, but was a dreadful mess.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:33 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Julio and Cozen, get a copy of 'High Times' now!

dave q, Sunday, 2 March 2003 10:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Julio and Cozen, get a copy of 'High Time' now!

dave q, Sunday, 2 March 2003 10:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have a crappy cassette copy of the EP that's on the outs so that's right I am buying it on vinyl. How luddite am I.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 22:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(Also: does anyone know what the fuck the original of the Dennis Wilson "Carry Me Home" was released on...? There's a cover on the Dixie Narco EP and I am a Beach Boys nut but damned if I've never even heard of this song. And I own a copy of Pacific Ocean Blue, it ain't on there).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 22:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also: does anyone know what the fuck the original of the Dennis Wilson "Carry Me Home" was released on...?

It was never released. It was supposed to be on the Holland album

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You can get a poorly recorded version on a bootleg what I have, but can't remember the name thereof. Feature David Frost elsewhere.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 06:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it worked

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dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the new album is pretty boring-stonesy-crap. sad after the heights of xtrmntr...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xtrmntr was six years ago!!!!

despite them being my fave band ever for some time, i have been fearful approaching their recent stuff. LOVE for 'dixie-narco' ep.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 08:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love that cover. He's just staring at me, going "IT'S ME YOU, LOVE, AND YOU KNOW IT!!! SINCE YOU WERE 15 BABY, COME AND GET IT!!!" but bad stoner rock is not the way to get my attention. Sigh.

Bernard's Summer Girlfriend (kate), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 08:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(how much? I just ordered a vinyl copy of the Dixie Narco ep. that's how much) you daft sod you could have had my copy for nothing (if I could actually find it, that is)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 08:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh yeah? well uh got any other stuff you wanna give away?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 14:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I too love me Dixie-Narco. I kinda rendered Give Out irrelevant.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 14:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xtrmntr was six years ago!!!!

god i feel old suddenly ! xtrmntr is by far my favourite prml album (vanishing point is ok, screamadelica and devil whatever, a bit boring... give out and this latest one, are absolutely uninteresting).

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You guys are all on crack. This "Country Girl" song is awesome.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hahaha awesome dave!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Based on the photos from last month's appearance at the Isle Of Skye fest:

1. Kevin Shields is showing up again
2. Bobby cut his hair (when his hair gets shorter the albums get better)

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 04:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/242/517585691_7395aa3b5c.jpg

Some things never change.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 04:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Bobby got introduced by Warren Ellis at ATP as "former Jesus and Mary Chain drummer Bobby Gillespie" - I'm sure he appreciated 20+ years of work being ignored :)

onimo, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

man, I didn't even recognise him! i though he was Ian McCullough when looking at the thumbnails.

Still a twat.

Shields looks good, he looks really good; he's lost a bit of weight recently. saw him a few months ago, he was doing sound for... uhhh, what is the name of that band. Rog's little brother's other band. this is really helpful I know.

ha ha, I agree with yr assessment of hairlenght to album quality, though - as usually it is indicative of drugs consumption.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Story at the end of this blog post needs more attention.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 November 2007 16:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

no. no, it does not.

grimly fiendish, Friday, 23 November 2007 16:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"...All those fucking anoraks with their retarded girlfriends."

That's Boaby off Stephen Pastel's Christmas card list then

Tom D., Friday, 23 November 2007 16:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ten years pass...

More Light = classic, IMO. I think if you must have one of their post-XTRMNTR albums, then make it that one - up there with their best stuff for me.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 10 August 2018 21:37 (ten months ago) Permalink

yup

feel like it was slept on

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 August 2018 21:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

Without a doubt, but there was a lot of great stuff out in 2013... still, the first two tracks on the LP alone are fantastic. Seriously, any lapsed Primals fans shout give it a spin.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 10 August 2018 22:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

Er, shout=should.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 10 August 2018 22:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

more light is great.

i rate vanishing point and XTRMNTR particularly - kill all hippies!!

Ross, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:39 (ten months ago) Permalink

album ends well too imo

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:46 (ten months ago) Permalink

man shoot speed kill light, i remember reading someone diss that on some thread and thought...what!!

Ross, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:47 (ten months ago) Permalink

https://www.nme.com/news/music/primal-scream-61-1278117

I'm not sure I've ever seen this picture or story before, which is obviously beyond classic.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Sunday, 19 August 2018 11:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

One of my Boab skits was inspired by that very photograph. God knows what thread is was on though.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 August 2018 11:55 (nine months ago) Permalink

I defer to your greater knowledge of Boaby.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Sunday, 19 August 2018 12:35 (nine months ago) Permalink

Somewhere in here maybe?: The Bobby Gillespie Bullshit game

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 August 2018 14:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

No, not in there, they're scattered around all over the place, more or less whenever Bob or Primal Scream are mentioned - and sometimes without them even being mentioned.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 August 2018 17:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

Hahahahaha...

Primal Scream Announce Give Out But Don't Give Up: The Original Memphis Recordings

Following the recent discovery of these tracks in a box lurking in Andrew Innes’ basement, Primal Scream will release the original studio recordings from Memphis, the tracks that eventually became their 1994 album ‘Give Out But Don’t Give Up’.

Teaming up with iconic producer Tom Dowd and the Muscle Shoals rhythm section of David Hood and Roger Hawkins at Ardent Studios in Memphis, the resulting recordings from those sessions showcase a more country soul, rock’n’roll side to a band.

Dowd’s production, coupled with the merging of the slick rhythm section of the band, led to the creation of nine tracks that run the gamut between blues, gospel and brilliant songwriting, available for the first time.

“I felt we went down there with such good intent, but somehow we lost our way afterwards,” Bobby Gillespie admits. “There’s definitely a lesson to be learned about how creativity can go down the wrong track. We’re a band that constantly keeps moving and doesn’t look back, but, for years, I felt bad about us going to Memphis and not doing what we set out to do. Hearing these songs after all this time has made everything all right again. I feel redeemed.”

After their breakout album ‘Screamadelica’ (1991), Primal Scream relocated to Memphis in 1993 to record what would become ‘Give Out But Don’t Give Up’.

Once the band and Creation Records’ boss Alan McGee heard the recordings, however, they were both confused and underwhelmed. Their inner punks got the better of them and they brought producer George Drakoulias onboard to overhaul the recordings, with the band replacing, guitar, bass and drum parts over several sessions in the ensuing weeks until they were left with what became ‘Give Out But Don’t Give Up’.

CD1 – Tom Dowd album mix
Jailbird
Rocks
Call on Me
Everybody Needs Somebody
Sad and Blue
Big Jet Plane
Free
Jesus
(I’m Gonna) Cry Myself Blind

CD2 – Ardent Outtakes
Billy / To Love Somebody
Memphis Groove (Improvised Song Jam)
Sad And Blue (Early Rehearsal Jam)
Blue Moon Of Kentucky / Trying To Get To You
Big Jet Plane (Early Rehearsal Jam / Tom Dowd Instructions)
Free (Bobby Vocal / Full Band Rehearsal Jam)
Everybody Needs Somebody (Alternative Recording)
Country Guitar
Jailbird Guitar
Jesus (Monitor Mix )
Funky Jam (Original Recording)
Free (Early Rehearsal Sitar /Piano / Bobby Vocal)
Call On Me (Monitor Mix)
Cry Myself Blind (Monitor Mix)
All I Have To Do Is Dream

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 20 August 2018 19:48 (nine months ago) Permalink

I would listen to this

Οὖτις, Monday, 20 August 2018 19:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

So would I to see how it compares, but even though this album has some moments that aren't actually all that bad, I'm glad they got it out of their system in order to make Vanishing Point and XTRMNTR.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

yeah I'm into hearing this. But far as I can tell, Big Jet Plane, Sad & Blue, I'll Be There for You (left out above?), Everybody Needs Somebody - these are all Tom Dowd versions on the original anyway.

In other words, the good tracks on the original are the remixed ones.

everything, Monday, 20 August 2018 20:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

Their inner punks got the better of them so they brought in the Black Crowes' producer.

everything, Monday, 20 August 2018 20:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

the Ardent tracks produced by Weatherall on Dixie-Narco are better than the Ardent tracks produced by Dowd, but tbf the band weren't 94% smacked out of their minds the first time around

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

This was the era i recall they were called 'Dance Traitors'.

piscesx, Monday, 20 August 2018 20:55 (nine months ago) Permalink

Dixie Narco tracks are great

Οὖτις, Monday, 20 August 2018 21:02 (nine months ago) Permalink

This was the era i recall they were called 'Dance Traitors'.

― piscesx, Monday, August 20, 2018 8:55 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I remember reviews of this being not particularly kind. It's depressing that 'Rocks' was such a big hit for them - it's not really representative of what this band is best at, and if that was someone's first exposure to the band, they could be forgiven for getting the wrong idea. Fans of the band from the earliest material may have been a little less surprised at the style they adopted, and the Screamadelica fans were definitely cold on the album.

Also, this was the first album after that tour with Depeche Mode wasn't it? Or were they touring on this LP at the time?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

Alternative press release: "Desperate, they returned to the studio where they produced the only track that had any impact in the US but were so half-assed owing to them being smacked-out that the record label (Sony having controlling share of Creation by then) farmed them out to a bunch of remixers and the final record was unliked and re-releasing it now would be a waste of time and money. So here's this."

everything, Monday, 20 August 2018 21:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

xpost -- They opened the second US go round of that Depeche tour cycle, in 1994, so they were touring the album.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 August 2018 21:22 (nine months ago) Permalink

Ah yeah, that's right! For some reason I'd got it into my head that the LP was released in the back half of '94, rather than at the beginning.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:33 (nine months ago) Permalink

Primal Scream at their messiest meets Depeche Mode at their messiest.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 20 August 2018 21:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

And to top it all off the opening act for them both was Stabbing Westward

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 August 2018 21:40 (nine months ago) Permalink

One of the bios of the time - possibly Grant Fleming's - tells of Duffy not being in his room the morning after a show, and the tour manager's panic -- nobody had been with him the night before, no-one knew what locals may have led him "astray" - and having to give up and get the rest of the band on to the next town.

Where Duffy was already at the venue, having crawled inside a riser and passed out after playing, remaining asleep not only through Depeche Mode's set, but also being packed up by Depeche's crew, shipped through the night, and arising well-rested when roadies unpacked him at bump-in.

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 20 August 2018 22:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

Funnily enough the Wombles were at their messiest at the same time.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Monday, 20 August 2018 23:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

I still haven't heard the original Memphis recordings of Give Out But Don't Give Up yet, but I listened to the version as released in 1994 last night and - while it's no Screamadelica, Vanishing Point or XTRMNTR, and it sounds like a very confused record - I thought that there's actually quite a lot that's enjoyable about the record. I mustn't have heard the record for well over a decade or two.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 13:46 (two months ago) Permalink


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