"OK Computer": Classic Or Dud?

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It's an album by popular beat combo Radiohead, m'lud.

Tom, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

An absolute classic. One of the few albums which there isn't a dodgy song on it. Things I like:

(1) It speaks of man's fear of the times he lives in. This (personally speaking) has made it get more and more relevant as times goes on. I've heard it claimed as the first album to articulate this fear: anyone care to give a counter example?

(2) They didn't have to make it. They could have made The Bends pt.2 and the world would never have known what it missed. But there's a spirit lives in the hearts of men... Always a sucker for a good narrative, me.

(3) The conscious push away from being A Guitar Band. Obviously Kid A is further on this path, but I've been listening to a megamix of OK Computer, Kid A and Amnesiac, and it does feel of a piece.

(4) "A heart that's..."

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

the most obnoxious album of the 90s that isn't by Manic Street Preachers.

scott, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

"It speaks of man's fear of the times he lives in": counterexample(s). _Let It Bleed_? _Pithecathropus Erectus_? _Germ-Free Adolescence_

I'm sorry: Radiohead are NOT the first people to address this issue.

And if you just mean, uh, scary computers'n'stuff: John Foxx's _Metamatic_/Gary Numan's _The Pleasure Principle_ — both (manifestly) superior musical artists and/or intellects.

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

i have a sinking feeling this thread will be dredged up weekly for the next six months much like the recently-resurrected 'smells like teen spirit' one.

ethan, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Dud. I think Devoto/Magazine covered similar territory in a much more interesting and multi-dimensional way with Real Life/SecondHand Daylight/Correct Use of Soap. Yorke works within such a narrow range on OKC, with no light, wit or alternate perspective allowed, that I quickly lost interest. I have to agree with Mark S -it's not exactly unfamiliar ground in pop/rock. It's just that few have botched it as badly as Radiohead.

Kid A though. Wow! I don't know what the hell he's on about, but it's just beautiful!

Dr. C, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Well, it's no way a classic, there are only a few good songs on it...Let Down, No Surprises, a bit of Paranoid Android. The rest just washes over me...it always strikes me as an album I could like, but never really did.

james e l, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

i like paranoid android a lot, even the 'heavy' section. karma police is excellent too, except the high parts. not sure about the rest. i think there's a good slow song between those two though.

ethan, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

>_Let It Bleed_?

I really must reconsider my position on the Stones as just irrelevant rock dinosaurs. Hang on, this is the one with classic rock chugger Honkytonk Women on it. How freaked out and paranoid is that?

>_Pithecathropus Erectus_?

This doesn't sound likely to get past my "Jazz Wank" filters. Not that Instrumental Jazz can't sound claustrophobic (and I've quite liked being slipped a mickey on the last albums by Spiritualized and, erm, Radiohead), but it's apples and oranges to something with lyrics.

>_Germ-Free Adolescence_

Now this is more like it, by all accounts.

>I'm sorry: Radiohead are NOT the first people to address this issue.

You don't have to be sorry, you just have to answer the question. It was asked in all honesty (and much ignorance).

>And if you just mean, uh, scary computers'n'stuff: John Foxx's >_Metamatic_/Gary Numan's _The Pleasure Principle_

Okay, but you'll have to vouchsafe me a bodypart or something before I go get something by Gary Numan. This is the one with Cars on it, for god's sake.

>both (manifestly) superior musical artists and/or intellects.

Oh, just fuck off.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Heh.

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

I have to say this album doesn't annoy me as much as it once did: I think I ended up despising it because back in 1998 so many people were saying it was album of the year (and even the decade), when it clearly and fundamentally was not. I think it has some nice moments, but there's something too late 80's Simple Minds in it's bombast far too much of the time.

Nicole, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

OK (not to be totally spiteful), Bleed, Pith and Germ are just kinda random first-out-of-hat thoughts (not untrue they're tacklers, but y'know, prob.not in my top ten or even top 100 of folks engaging subj-at-hand).

Instrumental vs lyrics/apples vs oranges: this makes no sense to me

One of Numan and Foxx MIGHT be in my top ten. Plainly Numan is a force-nine dimwit (and Yorke is... ?) but that just means GN's unable to censor or rationalise as effectively as We Smart Foax do. The clueless express many things better, because they don't notice, and sidestep.

Concept totally aside, "Cars" is a better record than any Radiohead will EVER make. This is basic.

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

It's an odd album. I think emphasising the content is a red herring, kind of - in terms of lyrical/conceptual 'meaning' it's Radiohead's weakest record (caveat: not heard Pablo Honey) for several reasons but mostly because while albums about fear and paranoia are always welcome Yorke gets into cliche and name-calling too much. I'm happy to admit I do feel isolated and alienated and dislocated and all that sometimes but Radiohead's other records are less big-picture and map that feeling better, for me.

The technological themes are also a red herring - unlike with the much crasser Grandaddy there's hardly any overt technofear on OKC - the alienation seems pretty much entirely societal (in classic rock style). "Cars" is a great single by the way, not so sure about the rest of Numan.

I think in the end the specific content and concept are a cover story to allow culture-paralysed types (not least the band) to enjoy Big Rock themes (fuck the system) and more importantly Big Rock sounds, which as Nicole suggests OKC has in spades. It'll age worse than their other stuff but a lot of it sure is pretty.

Tom, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Have I called anything except for the Replacements a dud?

_OK Computer_ is classic, classic, classic. The song "Paranoid Android" alone makes it a classic album. The fact that it has "Climbing Up The Walls", "Lucky", "The Tourist", "Let Down", and "Exit Music (For A Film)" seals the deal.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Since there's now a principle at stake, Tom so-called Ewing, recall the following:

Everyday I Die. Steel And You. My Love Is A Liquid. Zero Bars (Mr Smith). Me! I Disconnect From You. Are "Friends" Electric? Praying To The Aliens. When The Machines Rock. I Nearly Married A Human. This Wreckage. The Aircrash Bureau. Remind Me to Smile. Sleep by Windows. I Dream of Wires. Remember I was Vapour. Please Push no More. I Die: You Die. A Subway Called "You". Cry, the Clock Said. She’s Got Claws. Boys Like Me. My Brother’s Time. You Are, You Are. Music for Chameleons. We Take Mystery to Bed. I am Render. This Prison Moon. My Centurion.

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Remember I was Vapour.

Do you SEE!!

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

He has a way with a title, it's hard not to concede that. "I nearly married a human" is a particular favourite there.

It's really sweet in some ways that he ended up marrying a fan.

Tom, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

By "really sweet" you mean of course "the conceptual integrity is complete, in life as in art"

rEsIsTaNcE iS FuTiLe, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Arrrrrrgh.

That's all I have to say.

Arrrrrrgh.

How long is it before Solinger buys OK Computer again, since Tom just did? Arrrrgh. If I ever, ever, ever, ever have to hear OK Computer again in my life, I will commit suicide. I just can't talk about this album rationally. It's the most godawful whinging and everyone LOVED it. I'd actually rather listen to Gorillaz.

Ally, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

i liked 'the bends' but never bothered with okc - can't be arsed with getting all a bands records nowadays - heard a bit on 'Later' but wasn't my cuppa tea - gary numan shits on thom yorke - i saw tubeway army in preston after being sneaked in by my mate's brother ( cheers,Paul ! ) and gazza was better than the skids !

G.R.D. robot, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Gasp! Replacements a dud?!?!?

Larms, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Don't you remember? Note the first response.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Intrumental is different from lyrics in that one has words and the other doesn't. Evocation versus invocation. You can't, for example, get the layers of meaning present in "Girls and Boys" without words.

Similarly, direct lyrical depiction is different from abstract picture-painting. Old versus new REM. Or Kid A vs OK Computer. I couldn't call it a weaker or stronger album because I don't see a coherent theme in KID A to compare to. Amnesiac is as I said half-and-half.

No, Thom Yorke isn't a force 9 dimwit. He makes incredibly indulgent whiny music, but that's not the same thing as being as thick as most of his fans.

And I'm going to have to disagree about Gary Numan. Glam with the entrtainment value stripped out isn't really my cup of tea.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

O.K. computer, for me, was a temporary reprieve for guitar music. Pretty portentous stuff, wandering observations strung together with sentiment, it doesn't delivery a punchline to his achy question, he's too busy asking them, but that's part of their whole prog equation on this one. Style over content. Indie schtick lumbering through the same old moves, wearing the trendiest boots in Camden. Nothing wrong with that, unless you're asking if it's classic. But the 'enigmatic' Thom Yorke does right to shy from the media, I think he knows he's a lite-weight. My high-light is fitter/happier. And their new direction that might drag rock out of the stadium.

K-reg, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Damn you for bringing that up again! ;-)

Now get ready for more "Dude, the Replacements rocked and if you don't like them YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ROCK AND ROLL!" type responses.

Nicole, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Hang about, hang about, "godawful whingeing?" And where would one classify the vague and ill-formed rant that is "If You Tolerate This, Your Children Will Be Next?".

Classic. Yorke's lyrics never bothered me despite their ranting qualities (all you Destiny's Child fans, pause in thought about which 90s artists are the biggest whiners). The music is pretty much amazingly written and executed.

Oh, come on, Gary Numan? "Cars" sounds like it was written by a nitwit child with a synth (and not in a good way), with lyrics written by his older brother who just read 1984 in tenth grade English class. And you can go on all you want about how it was an amazing bit of paranoid futurist chart pop, but between "Cars" and "No Surprises", which is/will be more dated?

Heh heh heh...

Dave M., Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Dr. C's thoughts pretty much mirror mine, especially the part about Magazine beating them to the punch with more punch. I do like OK Computer somewhat, will never have the use to hear Pablo Honey or The Bends again, and completely adore Kid A.

Andy, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Dave M. is apparently unfamiliar with the fact that I am an old Manics fan and utterly loathe TIMTTMY. However, I'd still hold fast that at least If You Tolerate This has pretty vocals that don't sound like my cat freaking out over second hand pot smoke.

Ally, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Well, "Cars" has survived 22 years intact and sounds more 'relevant' (use! other! words! please!) now than ever (also more danceable, hooray!). "No Surprises" is a queasy mixture of empathy and patronisation with melodramatic bits like "silence. silence." and stuff about carbon monoxide. It does have a very pretty music-box hook, though.

(They're not really comparable lyrically, though - Pulp's "The Fear" covers similar territory to "No Surprises" (and a lot of OKC), but does it with more wit, sympathy and humanity.)

Tom, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Clearly most of Numan's songs are better — obviously artistically, but social-conceptually and politically also — than Orwell's 1984. How hard wd this be?

(I won't say all, because I own the Numan-Sharpe LP, which is only better than Orwell's earlier unfunny stuff.)

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

I laughed at that for a minute straight. Help me.

Dave M., Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Or to put it another way, the three people who I baited in my last message all replied within the space of ten minutes. This is like fishing.

Dave M., Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Heh...

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. I share most people's general objections to Radiohead, Thom Yorke and his lyrical content, but man, the music is gorgeous. And it's also the album where they stopped sounding like U2 impersonators.

Patrick, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Hmmmm.... that reminds me, I think its time to revisit that Replacements thread again! I need a good laff.

Oh, ummm, "OK Computer", yeah, its a pretty good album. Its no "Pleased To Meet Me" though.

Tim Baier, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

This is like fishing.

But sadly not flirty fishing, like religous cults use.

Nicole, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Patrick - are you sure? OKC sounds like the most U2 copyist of all their stuff to me. The plangent guitar etc. etc. is really Joshua Tree in some places.

Tom, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

There is a slight and oft-overlooked humour in Radiohead records, i think, buried somewhere deep in the double ironies, bordering too often on Yhorke's pointless suspicions of basic human interactions. 'Paranoid Android', though, is one of the most bizarrely, magnificent self-parodies I think I've come across on record. This persumes "the crackle of pig skin" refers to people eating pork scratchings in a bar.

matthew james, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Tom - Really ? I can't imagine U2 trying something like "Paranoid Android" or "Exit Music For A Film". You might be right about the Joshua Tree-style guitar though - it's been a while since I listened to OKC. Still, The Bends sounds way more like a U2 album to me, especially the singing.

Patrick, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

i think okc marks their move away from past influences and into a brand new world of artists to take cues from (not that it lasted long). instead of being an entirely different animal to the bends, it's a halfway point, e.g. the hybrid of 70s pink floyd and joshua tree u2 on "lucky."

fred solinger, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

The Bends to me sounds like a (rather successful) attempt to marry British and American style alt.rock, as it then was - so yeah, u2/Simple Minds are in there, ditto the angstier end of British rock, but there's a hell of a lot of Nirvana in there too.

"pointless distrust of basic human interactions" is the best description of Yorke's lyrical failings (and in my weaker moments, strengths) that I've ever seen. Cheers.

Tom, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

This *is* one entertaining thread. Can I go on record as saying I enjoy _OK Computer_ and also am a Numan fanatic? Though his most recent record was fairly monochrome.

Tom was right to note that the subject matter and vague reachings towards 'concept' are red herrings. Do you get off on the sonic fun of _OK Computer_ or not? On that level I do, and it's great. I can't agree completely on the late eighties Simple Minds comparison, though -- that bunch were perfectly sculpted (listen to _Street Fighting Years_ -- I DARE YOU), whereas Radiohead were trying to sound perfectly unsculpted, intentionally rough around the edges. Perhaps the same approach via different means, I'll grant.

What I think is interesting about the claim regarding 'pointless distrust of human interaction' -- and that *is* a great line -- is that clearly the lyricist and the person are two different things. An obvious point, but still -- after all, would the figure outlined in the lyrics actually have had a girlfriend for a decade, plus one baby? ;-) One more reason why I don't look for depths where they are overdetermined by others...

As for the Replacements, they're dead. Well, one is.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Obliged, Tom! Coincidentally, I've just finished my first listen fg Amnesiac beginning to end, and it's rather tiring, between 'Pull/Pulk Revolving Doors' and 'Living in a Glass House' there's barely a moment of interest. Save for the reworking of 'Morning Bell', which has some strange moments in the background, reminding me a little of the spacier levels of Sonic the Hedgehog on the Sega Megadrive. Music for computer games is remarkable, sometimes.

matthew james, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Hm, actually...

*goes back and look at that Replacements thread*

Pfft. Hey, Mr. Baier, it's called decaf, try it sometime.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Is someone calling my name? Whatsa matter Ned, you don't like to laugh? ;)

I think its about time we just put up the question to end all questions: "Taking Sides: Loveless vs OK Computer vs The Stone Roses vs Nevermind".

*shudder*

Tim Baier, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

I *did* laugh. Trust me.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

*Ahem*

The question you are perhaps thinking of is The Plan vs Telekon vs vs I, Assassin vs The Berserker

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, in that case _Telekon_. There isn't a single thing wrong with that album. The rest have low points as well as highs.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Nevermind.

james e l, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

You pull OK Computer out of the shitstorm of press it generated, and you have one of the best rock albums of the 90's. Believe the hype.

bnw, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

I mean they have two drummers now, so go figure

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

pedestrian f'ing four armed rhythm section

maffew12, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

on Pyramid Song, for example, he manages to make a pretty complicated composition and time signature sound very natural, and that isn't easy!

He makes a 4/4 time signature sound complicated (which is even harder!)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:24 (one week ago) Permalink

XP to Brad, I feel that given how far the band try to stretch themselves with melody, texture, structure and arrangement, it's a bit of a shame that they have a tweedy, mid-tempo and slightly stiff sounding bassist and drummer.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I like his drumming and kinda don't want to hear them with a drummer's drummer (although I wouldn't mind if Clive Deamer got to play on some records, he's got chops but is super tasteful and used to emulating breakbeats, vis a vis those Portishead and Roni Size records).

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Feel like Colin and Phil are necessarily conservative considering how far out the other three can get. I agree with Brad though about some of his parts and fills functioning as hooks, I think “Morning Bell” is defined by that drum part.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:55 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, totally agreed on morning bell. i wonder if he took lessons before the Kid A / Amnesiac sessions? Colin took lessons before the bends

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:56 (one week ago) Permalink

With regards to Colin and his bass playing, I found this recent interview to be an interesting read... https://bassmagazine.com/artists/colin-greenwood-how-to-disappear-completely

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 22:08 (one week ago) Permalink

wow that interview rules

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 22:20 (one week ago) Permalink

I will forever be on Team “Pyramid Song is in 12/8”

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 22:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't distinguish between 4/4 and 12/8 :)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 22:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, Colin seems like such a lovely guy and it's obvious that he absolutely loves being in the band, which is heart-warming. He's clearly got a lot of dedication to his bass playing as well. xxp

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 22:32 (one week ago) Permalink

I dunno if the 'Phil Is Bad' crew have seen either of the From The Basement videos but he seems amazing in those.

piscesx, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 22:38 (one week ago) Permalink

want to be clear that i only think phil was bad bad from the time of his birth until the kid a / amnesiac sessions

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:06 (one week ago) Permalink

today i listened to disc 7 - i enjoyed this one a lot, goes from thom singing the customer satisfaction blurb on a consumer product to a "beautiful jam" to karma police with the chorus "this is what you get when you fuck with me" to a jammed out "let down" (forget all the talk about the nonexistent "12 minute paranoid android", "7 minute let down" is my jam) to an interminable whiteboy funk jam that thom opines sounds like station to station... no thom, it's more like wild cherry, but we love you anyway

are there cuesplitter files for the official flacs like there were for the boot mp3s?

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:40 (one week ago) Permalink

Phil is often my favourite element of Radiohead - couldn’t disagree more that he has no “feel”, he makes even a simple rhythm swing and pulse for me. cf Decks Dark on the last album. He has improved a great deal, it’s true, but I greatly prefer late period anyway.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:40 (one week ago) Permalink

xp Cues for the official bootleg are in progress at http://www.on-a-friday.com/MiniDiscs-Hacked/

maffew12, Thursday, 13 June 2019 00:36 (one week ago) Permalink

oh same place as before, makes sense :)

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Thursday, 13 June 2019 00:43 (one week ago) Permalink

had to go back on the Reddit to find that. Dude made a new directory on his super secret server.

Looking forward to making a compilation out of the best bits of all this plus the box set tape. All of this was fun but it's not like I'm ever going to listen all through again.

Also Reddit thinks the new Thom solo album is imminent

Also, are Phil's solo albums good?

maffew12, Thursday, 13 June 2019 01:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Who were the great British drummers of the 1990s? I cant imagine many (if any) of them were in guitar bands. Reni maybe, but he fucked off.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I could name great pop/rock British drummers from the 80s or 00s or 10s, actually !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Isn't the guy from Muse highly regarded?

groovypanda, Thursday, 13 June 2019 13:10 (one week ago) Permalink

David Francolini of Levitation/Dark Star

MaresNest, Thursday, 13 June 2019 13:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Presumably samplers and drum machines have a role to play in that.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 13 June 2019 13:59 (one week ago) Permalink

lee harris
stephen perkins
colm ó cíosóig
matt cameron
reni
chris sharrock
mike joyce
sheila e
neil conti
david palmer
steve jansen
fred maher
...

Pagoda, Thursday, 13 June 2019 14:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Matt Cameron and Sheila E are not British, wtf I will not stand for this slander. (neither is Stephen Perkins, but you can have him if you want)

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 13 June 2019 14:28 (one week ago) Permalink

(love that Colin Greenwood interview btw)

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 13 June 2019 14:46 (one week ago) Permalink

right, my bad, read too fast...

Pagoda, Thursday, 13 June 2019 15:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh good, I thought I was falling for a joke I didn't understand :)

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 13 June 2019 15:40 (one week ago) Permalink

hehe

Pagoda, Thursday, 13 June 2019 15:56 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, totally agreed on morning bell. i wonder if he took lessons before the Kid A / Amnesiac sessions? Colin took lessons before the bends

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, June 12, 2019 3:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So did Phil, apparently!

http://www.coneysloft.com/magazine/2017/9/7/phil-selway-interview
I actually went back to college early on in Radiohead to advance my drumming skills. It was in the period between Pablo Honey and The Bends and I realised that there were aspects of my technique that were holding me back. As I was self-taught musically – in all aspects – it’s easy to pick up bad habits and I wanted to get rid of them. I did lessons for about 5-6 months and they gave me some fundamental principles that have helped me throughout my whole career.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:33 (one week ago) Permalink

lee harris
stephen perkins
colm ó cíosóig
matt cameron
reni
chris sharrock
mike joyce
sheila e
neil conti
david palmer
steve jansen
fred maher

Good list! I was thinking of Mike Joyce and Reni.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 14 June 2019 13:56 (one week ago) Permalink

I do find that interesting, when particular band members upgrade btwn albums/periods, like the Manics' Sean Moore going from being replaced by a drum machine on Generation Terrorists to being a beast on Holy Bible not too much later

Colin seems like a nice lad

Simon H., Friday, 14 June 2019 14:19 (one week ago) Permalink

I actually went back to college early on in Radiohead to advance my drumming skills. It was in the period between Pablo Honey and The Bends and I realised that there were aspects of my technique that were holding me back. As I was self-taught musically – in all aspects – it’s easy to pick up bad habits and I wanted to get rid of them. I did lessons for about 5-6 months and they gave me some fundamental principles that have helped me throughout my whole career.

oh hey me too phil!!!!

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Good list! I was thinking of Mike Joyce and Reni

Joyce is a really great team with Andy Rourke, and definitely "good" on the Julian Cope and late-90s Mighty Wah! tracks he plays on, but I dunno that there's anything remarkable about him, let alone great. And he doesn't work enough to be able to tell! His last three decades have apparently been: take a gig, be good enough to be asked to stay on, insist on more money than anyone can afford, do nothing for 3-7 years, repeat.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Rourke on the other hand was (is?) a sick bassist. I have no idea what he did after The Smiths.

flappy bird, Saturday, 15 June 2019 01:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah I’m not sure M. Joyce could be considered a great drummer...

AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 15 June 2019 07:09 (one week ago) Permalink

lol Am I crazy considering Colin one of my favorite bassists? Does he not write his parts? Because imo Radiohead's bass is consistently outstanding -- I've thought so ever since hearing "Airbag" and "Talk Show Host."

billstevejim, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 00:29 (six days ago) Permalink

his soul/funk influences definitely creep in those basslines

hollow your fart (m bison), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 00:33 (six days ago) Permalink

Worth reading the interview upthread

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 00:47 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah Colin talks about how he writes his basslines in that interview, it's a great read & i agree he's generally outstanding. there's the occasional one that Thom wrote though - "The National Anthem" is the obvious one but he played a lot of bass in the Kid A/Amnesiac sessions so there's probably a few others from that time. "Where I End And You Begin" is another

ufo, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 00:52 (six days ago) Permalink

there are also bass lines that might be the result of nigel/thom cutting things up after the fact - 'airbag' comes to mind as a possibility there. the drums, at least, are heavily edited, and the start/stop bass line sounds like i might have been created using a similar process. however it was made, it's one of my favorite radiohead bass parts

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 01:51 (six days ago) Permalink

airbag wasn't cut up, it was just Colin left gaps where he hadn't come up with parts yet and intended to finish it later but they ended up happy with it like that

ufo, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 02:01 (six days ago) Permalink

Ah, that’s cool.

On some of the early rehearsals of ‘Airbag’ on the recently leaked minidiscs, it sounds like he was playing his True Love Waits part over the top

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 02:23 (six days ago) Permalink

the kind of brash confidence a band exhibits when it isn’t really confident about the material

this will stick with me

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Saturday, 22 June 2019 04:32 (two days ago) Permalink

I liked reading that Quietus piece, but to be honest, what little of this Radiohead content drop I've dug into has revealed that, at least to my ears, it hasn't revealed much. That is to say, it's so all over the place it doesn't give away the secrets to the universe or anything. It reminded me of the U2 sessions that leaked right before Achtung Baby. They're full of all sorts of stuff, from blues jams on up, and one of the few things that paves the way to Achtung Baby, a song or riff they keep coming back to, doesn't even end up on the album. Just an interesting snapshot of a band working things out.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 June 2019 12:34 (two days ago) Permalink

yep pretty much. I agree with the reviewer that mostly you're hearing an easier road not taken. A lot of earlier 90s style castaways. I thought the hype about Lift around the "OKNOTOK" reissue was overblown (and I heard and loved Lift from bootlegs in the 90s), all this stuff about not wanting the radio hit. But when you hear the sort of material that would've gone along with an album led by Lift (Attention, Funky Clothes, I Promise too), you know that wasn't just marketing talk.

maffew12, Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:18 (two days ago) Permalink

xp Yeah the U2 sessions they play bits of in the Achtung Baby documentary.. it's exactly what these sessions remind me of; random bits that you recognise amid the mess, or in the 'wrong place'.

piscesx, Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:00 (yesterday) Permalink


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