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I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now but people have been posting about this new box set in like four different threads and I'm sure we've got 200+ posts to go when the thing's actually out, so here

CAN – THE LOST TAPES – RELEASE DATE: 18 JUNE 2012

3CD BOX SET OF UNRELEASED MATERIAL

AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR UNRELEASED MATERIAL

BRAND NEW TRACKS AS IF YOU WERE THERE – HALCYON DAYS, NOT OUTTAKES


Spoon Records and Mute are delighted to announce the release of Can – The Lost Tapes, the long awaited box set of unreleased studio, soundtrack and live material.

The Lost Tapes, out on 18 June 2012, was curated by Irmin Schmidt and Daniel Miller, compiled by Irmin Schmidt and Jono Podmore, and edited by Jono Podmore.

When the legendary Can studio in Weilerswist was sold to the German Rock N Pop Museum, they bought everything, including the army mattresses that covered the walls for sound protection, and relocated it to Gronau.

Whilst dismantling the studio, master tapes were found and stored in the Spoon archive. With barely legible labeling, no one was sure what was on these until Irmin Schmidt and long time collaborator Jono Podmore started to go through over 30 hours of music.

What they found was years of archived material, not outtakes, but rather tracks which had been shelved for a variety of reasons – soundtracks to films that were never released and tracks that didn’t make it onto the final versions of albums due to space.

Irmin Schmidt explains “Obviously the tapes weren’t really lost, but were left in the cupboards of the studio archives for so long everybody just forgot about them. Everybody except Hildegard, who watches over Can and its work like the dragon over the gold of the Nibelungen and doesn’t allow forgetting.”

The final cut of tracks, dating from 1968-1977, features studio material recorded at Schloss Nörvenich and Can Studio, Weilerswist with the Can line up of Holger Czukay on bass, Michael Karoli on guitars, Jaki Liebezeit on drums and Irmin Schmidt on keyboards, and on most tracks, vocals from Malcolm Mooney or Damo Suzuki.

Can was formed by ex-student of Stockhausen Irmin Schmidt, who, fired by the sounds of Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa abandoned his career in classic music to form a group which could utilise and transcend all boundaries of ethnic, electronic experimental and modern classical music.

Can’s influence is well known and far-reaching and the impact they made on music is felt today as keenly as it ever has been. They themselves have always been impossible to classify and reflecting this, the scope of artists who in recent years have cited Can as a major influence is varied from John Lydon to Radiohead, The Fall to Portishead.

With a phenomenal cannon of work that includes Tago Mago, which celebrated its 40th Anniversary in 2011 (the anniversary release was awarded 5* from MOJO, Uncut, Artrocker and Record Collector), The Lost Tapes is an opportunity to hear unreleased material from this iconic band – whoever thought that would be possible?

Whoever, indeed?

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:03 (five years ago) Permalink

Me, for a kickoff!

Mark G, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:10 (five years ago) Permalink

anyone know anything about a vinyl release?

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Checked the NovaMute site (the mail order), nope.

Mark G, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Let's not get greedy here

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:57 (five years ago) Permalink

apparently there are no plans for a vinyl release of the Lost Tapes....

....which is a shame as I'd buy it in a second...

Talcum Mucker, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the only thing that's putting me off buying this is if they *do* release it on vinyl in the future, I will be hella pissed off that I bought it on *yuck* CD.

emil.y, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:45 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm guessing there'll be a download option

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:47 (five years ago) Permalink

Well, the price of a vinyl edition would make the CD version a fifth of the price?

Mark G, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:53 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm looking forward to it. even if the songs released so far aren't great and i hope there's more damo than malcolm.

nonightsweats, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:37 (five years ago) Permalink

The vinyl version would probably be digitally mastered anyway, thus pointless.

Glad our distributor finally started pricing this reasonably - early import price was like $80+. So looking forward to this!

booth traums (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 03:16 (five years ago) Permalink

somebody's gonna put it out on vinyl inside the next decade. you have to go into this with that understanding.

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 05:15 (five years ago) Permalink

I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now I know ILX doesn't desperately *need* another Can thread right now

Vermicious Knid A (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 06:11 (five years ago) Permalink

*brief drum break*....

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 06:49 (five years ago) Permalink

"even if the songs released so far aren't great"

u mad

Crackle Box, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 09:03 (five years ago) Permalink

The vinyl version would probably be digitally mastered anyway, thus pointless.

this really isn't true. records sound different. & you listen to them different.

blossom smulch (schlump), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 09:58 (five years ago) Permalink

i know ilx doesn't *need* another cds vs lps thread

blossom smulch (schlump), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 09:58 (five years ago) Permalink

have previews of all the songs surfaced?
I really need to verify whether the Alice track is the elusive theme to 'Alice in the Cities'

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 09:59 (five years ago) Permalink

what happened to the 14 lp box set? so has anyone here got this yet? just read the review in the wire and goddamn i want to hear this NOW

Crackle Box, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 10:17 (five years ago) Permalink

Booth: Do you mean mastered FOR digital formats, or mastered IN the digital domain?

The former can be a problem for recodings mastered with a lot of brickwall limting, but Can I imagine wouldn't go down that route.

I have no problem with mastering and recording in digital being pressed on vinyl.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 10:55 (five years ago) Permalink

I want AAA all the way man. I don't want to blow this thread up with the analog vs. digital stuff, but just for me, personally, I don't really see the point of pressing digital music on an analog format. But I'm sure 99% of LPs these days go through some digital processing/mastering at some point and I still wind up buying new vinyl occasionally.

booth traums (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:01 (five years ago) Permalink

OK, for me that's no problem at all, a large propotion of the music I buy has been DDD all the way until it hits wax, I just prefer the experience of vinyl.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:53 (five years ago) Permalink

I hate the experience of vinyl.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 12:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Well, hate is strong. But it bugs me.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 12:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Hey Noodle. Go away man. You don't get cute points in Can threads.

frogbs, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Somewhere I read the vinyl will be out in late 2012...now I can't find where I read that. But I believe it was from Mute.

dronestreet, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:51 (five years ago) Permalink

An early (5 Star) review:
http://www.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/2012/05/31/can-the-lost-tapes-mute

doug watson, Friday, 1 June 2012 21:17 (five years ago) Permalink

Roll on June 18th.

Said Schmidt of the material they found: “Obviously the tapes weren't really lost, but were left in the cupboards of the studio archives for so long everybody just forgot about them. Everybody except Hildegard, who watches over Can and its work like the dragon over the gold of the Nibelungen and doesn't allow forgetting.”

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 2 June 2012 13:50 (five years ago) Permalink

Another review.

http://mog.com/blog_posts/3894713/mogbar?a=mn70403

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 2 June 2012 13:53 (five years ago) Permalink

Streaming here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/jun/11/can-lost-tapes?fb=native

So far, I'm surprisingly underwhelmed.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 00:17 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty whelmed

am0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Spotify is pretending to have this, actually it's a 5 track sampler...

Mark G, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:48 (five years ago) Permalink

I like "Millionenspiel" a lot; it goes a lot of places in 5+ minutes. Especially like the spy guitar/bongos part that sounds like Can-goes-B52s. I've listened to that one three times, but the others aren't doing much for me tbh.

Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 18:50 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLufW9YvBz4

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

Don't want to lose my (huge) enthusiasm for this, but I can see why they cut the sax shuffle from the early Millionenspiel clip.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 19:32 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm scared to listen to this because it probably won't be anything like tago mago/future days/ege bamyasi

KitevsPill, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:23 (five years ago) Permalink

so someone tell me it is

KitevsPill, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:24 (five years ago) Permalink

This is extremely reasonably priced on Amazon. $23.00, is that possible?

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:33 (five years ago) Permalink

I hope so. A lot of labels have been putting out multi-disc box sets for really cheap as of late. I paid less than $20 for the 3-disc Bitch Magnet reissue set and just barely over $20 for the Feedtime 4-disc thing. Its a nice trend.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

This is, I'd say, an essential Can artefact and is chock full of amazing stuff. Given that Can haven't had a notable release since I've actually been a fan - something that I'd presume holds true for most people using this board - this is like monumental stuff for me. I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a song and dance about it. Good on them for putting out one large amount of stuff in one go rather than eking it out over a few years. The early version of Spoon and the live version of Spoon are especially magnificent.

Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 22:24 (five years ago) Permalink

LOL jono podmore

the late great, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 22:27 (five years ago) Permalink

This is extremely reasonably priced on Amazon. $23.00, is that possible?

― kwhitehead, Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

$18.99 on itunes.

Weingarden By Kawhineyscope (how's life), Thursday, 14 June 2012 01:11 (five years ago) Permalink

$18.99?! For electrons?!

Peaceniks, Homos, and Potheads Who Wear Ties (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:23 (five years ago) Permalink

Man, three more days. I haven't felt this sense of excitement over a "new" release in years. Arthur Russell posthumous releases come the closest.

Soundslike, Saturday, 16 June 2012 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

still £26 on amazon uk

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 16 June 2012 20:13 (five years ago) Permalink

10" square box?

Mark G, Saturday, 16 June 2012 23:10 (five years ago) Permalink

Our distro at work said it was filled for our Friday shipment and when it wasn't in the box I was pretty sad.

adderall cannonby (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 17 June 2012 05:55 (five years ago) Permalink

Arrived with us on Wednesday.

Yes, a 10'' box and booklet.

I haven't opened and listened to one myself yet, but various friends are absolutely raving!

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 17 June 2012 09:38 (five years ago) Permalink

how much is it?

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 17 June 2012 09:43 (five years ago) Permalink

£31.99 in store for the moment.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Sunday, 17 June 2012 09:52 (five years ago) Permalink

totally worth buying in the format of your choice imo
even though i have listened to it a bagrillion times already, i still get genuinely happy when dead pigeon suite pops up on my ipod while i'm walking

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 22 March 2013 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

just endlessly great, what a cool band! also may have tipped me over to malcolm in the can vocalist championship sweepstakes.

tylerw, Friday, 22 March 2013 16:57 (four years ago) Permalink

too many box sets which I "need" "urgently"!

-this one
-Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall deluxe reiss
-BOC Complete Albums
-Star Trek TOS Complete Scores
-grrarghh the $$$$$

Jeff "Skink" Baxter (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 March 2013 16:57 (four years ago) Permalink

"dead pigeon" is probably my favorite but yeah this is a pretty amazing collection. I don't like some of the avant-garde stuff on disc 1 but almost everything else is ace

kinda neat to have a "lost tapes" boxset that consists of actual lost tapes (not just stuff that wasn't good enough for a studio album)

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 17:50 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah this thing is wall-to-wall amazing, a gift that keeps on giving.

sleeve, Friday, 22 March 2013 19:37 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah a while ago i listened to it all on spotify and flagged the must-have tracks. It turned out to be like 70% of the collection.

hah, this was exactly my experience as well

original bgm, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Having another listen to this in honor of this thread getting bumped. I think that the ratio of 70% good/30% wtf is about right; but there is about 2 LPs worth of raw, prime-era Can material here which is way more than I was expecting out of something like this. God I love this band.

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:38 (four years ago) Permalink

at the part where the 16-minute live "Spoon" kicks up, just hearing the echo of that little shuffle and the keyboards is sending shivers to my brain

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:41 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah and the audience participation at the start of that spoon is amazing, not really like yr standard "hey everyone clap along" thing but almost as if the band is *playing* the audience.

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:02 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Can anyone tell me if the vinyl box comes with a download code?

pollo, Tuesday, 30 July 2013 14:58 (three years ago) Permalink

mine didn't....

Stop the tape I got spittle all over my moustache. (Talcum Mucker), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 15:02 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i've been listening to disc 3 on repeat while i get ready in the morning for weeks
messer, scissors, fork and light especially

so great!

Untt (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:21 (three years ago) Permalink

it's the perfect start to every day

Untt (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I am taking that idea

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:29 (three years ago) Permalink

I highly recommend it! Before too long you will start to hear the turbocharged Spoon long after it has stopped playing.

Untt (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:35 (three years ago) Permalink

When they launch into the "ooooooohhhhhh" part on Spoon it blows me away every time

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:46 (three years ago) Permalink

I need to buy the rest of this, so far only have a few tracks on iTunes

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:12 (three years ago) Permalink

i was a little disappointed by this. hardly anything outstanding and a couple of tracks i don't care for like waiting for the streetcar, desert, godzilla fragment, on the way to mother sky, barnacles and mushroom.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:25 (three years ago) Permalink

pvmic

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:59 (three years ago) Permalink

Also posted on the Can S/D thread, but this one is more active.

Malkmus does Can

nickn, Saturday, 5 October 2013 04:04 (three years ago) Permalink

i revived this one a week ago Search and Destroy (Can)

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 5 October 2013 04:07 (three years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

(xp) Yeah, the Pascal Bussy book has good stuff, esp. from Jaki, who's such a tough nut on the band's career, he doesn't seem to rate much beyond "Monster Movie"!

finally read this book thanks to an interlibrary loan and was disappointed as it's more lightweight than i'd hoped. occasional good quotes throughout though, including jaki's gripes mentioned above and the fact mentioned more than once that he hates playing alongside bass!

fit and working again, Thursday, 3 July 2014 16:23 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

statementallity 1 year ago
what's a streetcar ?
Reply ·

Jimi Hendricks 1 year ago
Another name for a trolley.
Reply ·

statementallity 1 year ago
what like a cart ?
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everything, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 23:45 (one year ago) Permalink

I wish the CD box wasn't stupid

posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 00:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Why? Too flimsy?

everything, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 00:19 (one year ago) Permalink

it's huge! I want something that's gonna fit on my shelf

posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 00:23 (one year ago) Permalink

I never listen to this. :(

Wimmels, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 01:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Unwieldy, yes.
It is SO GOOD. Lost epics, would gobble up more tbh.

La Lechera, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 02:07 (one year ago) Permalink

They've now shrunk the box down to CD size

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 08:17 (one year ago) Permalink

That's better since i think there were 3 cds just in envelopes with no real place to fit them inside the box. Though there are 3 holes at the back which might fit them without the sleeves, would be easier to have the kind of click in fittings that you get in book form sets or something.
There's also an oversize booklet included in the original version. presumably whatever content could be transferred to a smaller booklet, not sure if the layout was of any importance. Looks like the larger booklet allowed relevant photos to be next to text.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 09:48 (one year ago) Permalink

I think other countries (not sure which) have had a smaller version of the packaging for some time, I got mine off ebay a few years ago.

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 11:42 (one year ago) Permalink

isn't the box LP-sized or close? I forget

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink

my CD version is just a regular sized digipack-y kinda thing.
this set is the best thing. wonder if there's any more good stuff lurking in the can archives?

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 14:58 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost the original box size is 10"

willem, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes. I sort-of assumed that a vinyl issue might have been done on 10" albums, but no.

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:26 (one year ago) Permalink

file next to your reel-to-reel tapes, problem solved

Brad C., Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:32 (one year ago) Permalink

My reel-to-reel tapes are seven inch, max.

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:39 (one year ago) Permalink

If I see the CD-sized one in the wild, I will def pick it up

posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 15:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Soon of Babulama (1975) [65:01]
06. The Loop
07. Ibis
08. Private Nocturnal
09. Midnight Men

This surprised me, but I think this album benefits most from expansion as an album, because the bonus material is of equal strength to the album and has the exact same DNA. "Midnight Men" is a stronger closer than "Quantum Physics".

That's insane imo, "Quantum Physics" is different level genius. "Midnight Men" contains elements of "Vernal Equinox" (and Holger Czukay's "Oh Lord Give Us More Money") so it surely belongs with "Landed" anyway?

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2015 15:38 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

pretty happening Can rarities thing over here, some familiar things, some not familiar things: http://itslostitsfound.blogspot.de/2016/02/can-rare-one.html

tylerw, Friday, 4 March 2016 15:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Three of those tracks are on my standalone CD of Cannibalism 2, weird that they've fallen through the cracks. Never heard about the early pseudonymous The Innerspace stuff!

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Friday, 4 March 2016 18:11 (one year ago) Permalink

Correction, Two whole CDs of Inner Space have been released.

Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Friday, 4 March 2016 20:10 (one year ago) Permalink

huh, missed those ... is Crippled Dick Hot Wax! a legit label? haha.

tylerw, Friday, 4 March 2016 20:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Think so, they've done stuff for years. schulemadchen report soundtrack LPs, that sort of thing..

Mark G, Friday, 4 March 2016 21:05 (one year ago) Permalink

https://soundcloud.com/finderskeepersrecords/finders-keepers-radio-show-krautrock-special

Was listening to this last night, there's a fairly long telephone interview with Malcolm Mooney, he sounds in rude health and humour.

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 13:56 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

just spotted this at irmin's website:

Irmin is currently working on a CAN book commissioned by Faber & Faber

new noise, Friday, 16 June 2017 00:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah this was mentioned on rolling reissues thread, it's exciting news!

or at night (Jon not Jon), Friday, 16 June 2017 00:24 (one week ago) Permalink

www.allgatesopen.co.uk

my opinionation (Hamildan), Friday, 16 June 2017 14:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Would be great. I got told that the Pascal Busey book was going o get a reprint about 10 years ago and ordered a copy which never appeared. Would like to read that.
But an insider book would be better still.

Last time i saw the Lost Tapes box on the shelf in FOPP it had been reduced in size to that book size taht Miles Davis etc sets got put out as. Is that still around?

Stevolende, Friday, 16 June 2017 14:11 (one week ago) Permalink


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