djent?
― owenf, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
anyway the naffest genre in 2012 is 'drake'
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1p1ugl8iH1rsnvc2o1_500.png
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
more like ctrl-z amirite
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
oh wait that says ctrix not ctrl-x
#haircut
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Keith Party! features and strangely pays homage to a friend of mine (and former ILX poster / grime fan) Keith McDougall.
Though when they played on our tv show it seemed more like some kind of impromptu student happening primarily influenced by (a) Beastie Boys and (b) T-Shirt's "You Sexy Thing" than anything I could or would describe as "seapunk".
But 3 years is a long time I guess.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Oh okay, they're the same, but with more synths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2KSFCyWo9U
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
I... cannot endorse this. Sorry Keith!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
lol
i would probably go to a seapunk nite tho it could be fun
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
College Acapella
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
xpost I would be happy if it does indeed sound more like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47qEeWLZhwQ
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
this is Unicorn Kid the little Scottish fella? cos I reviewed a gig of his a few years ago and it was like chiptune trance and everyone else in the room was under 20, i didn't even hate it but it was fkn weird
― W. E. B. Du Bois Goals Panel (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
conceptwave
― caulk the wagon and float it, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
re: all this stuff that has mutated sideways out of hypnagogia/whatever on the Internet - seapunk/witchhouse/chillwave... I can see a gimmicky, faddish side to some of it (especially as a lot of Net kids adopt the witchhouse end and bring a more fickle mindset), but I think that comes with the terrain and medium (online culture, memecraft). and the more online the aesthetic and process gets, the more the sub-genres and memes within that scene take on an imagistic, one-dimensional, disposable quality - like Net 2.0/4chan memes - and the tone around them gets sillier
that said, I tend to find stuff like this interesting. arguably one of the few new/now-ish exercises in genre/scene right now, so I feel more inclined to be supportive (def not going to wave it off as not being 'real' art or a 'real genre' or whatever). and while I personally prefer the deeper end of drone/ethereal/noise/psych to most of this more disposable memewave stuff, I'm kind of fascintated to see what all these kids are going to do with the idea of Net music/meme music...
― Chris S, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
finally a genre as culturally relevant as 4chan memes
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
here here
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
Read this as "ruffest genre of 2012" and am now disappointed!
― matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe nobody said dubstep
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
you like post-80s ska better than dubstep?
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
no, not really, though not too much in the diff in some cases
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
I don't really have anything against 90s ska but I kinda grew up with it, I guess. Always liked it better than grunge which just seemed mopey to me.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
Probably a lot of that comes down to first really encountering modern rock around 96 when No Doubt and Sublime were the breakout bands and grunge meant like...Stone Temple Pilots and Bush.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
stone temple pilots >>>> no doubt
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
bush sucks though
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
n/h
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
putting the pulp fiction soundtrack on endless repeat as an adolescent has forever softened my heart to surf rock
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the answer has to be thirdwave ska
― Chris S, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
I don't have any problem with surf rock/surf punk stuff. even when you're taking about the bad stuff, you're talking about kids who are some of the last people around making legitimately danceable rockin'-out guitar music. I can't say no to that. I guess that doesn't mean it's not "naff" though. I'll have to study this word more closely.
I guess I have similar feelings towards ska-punk, although I have a few problems with the more mainstream/jokey/jam band-y Reel Big Fish end of things. Actually it's possible that Reel Big Fish is the only ska-punk band that I actively hate. I don't really pay much attention to that scene unless it's some band that tries to sound like 60s ska. For the most part you can do much, much worse than ska-punk.
― crüt, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
skanking is not legitimate dancing
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
anyway if you want legitimately danceable rockin-out guitar music i recommend you get into some brooks & dunn
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
for more information about #seapunk i recommend this I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX thread
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=52&threadid=90812&action=showall&bookmarkedmessageid=3336897
― max, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
The whole seapunk backlash thing is funny to me. I heard the #seapunk Volume 1 comp before that Chicago reader article and Max and Whiney picked it up and it's mostly pretty good! Like awesome remixes of Mary J. Blige and stuff. But except for the occasional water sound, there's really nothing that distinguishes it as a sonic vocabulary from other underground US bass music of the past few years. It's really just some kids who are doing similar stuff musically to what other people are doing, who decided to brand themselves differently and dress up weird.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
before Max and Whiney picked it up as a punchline*
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH5dBBvsnVM
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
That said, I won't vouch for Tim's friend that's run with the label.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
goofy genre name + outfits is pretty much the classic recipe for "get attention, but not in any kind of good way"
― some dude, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
well if branding your underground / amateurish / shoddy music differently by dressing up weird isn't worthy of derision i don't know what is
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
well see that's kind of how new art movements work though. it's called aesthetics.
― Chris S, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
But except for the occasional water sound, there's really nothing that distinguishes it as a sonic vocabulary from other underground US bass music of the past few years
well aside from the iconography and band names and shit the samples tilt it equally in the direction of like new age tapes/eccojams/kassette klub weirdo synth stuff
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:53 (eleven years ago) link
Which differs them from say Nguzunguzu or Fatima al Qadiri how? Not that there aren't differences, but those aren't it. (I'd pin those differences down on richer depths of influences on Nguzu & and FAQ's parts.)
to V: I guess I tend to prefer my dance music a bit rough and amateurish in general? I often get v suspicious of the more polished end of it.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but this stuff doesn't really challenge my notions of beauty so much as it fails my subjective criteria of not being wack, believe that's called aesthetic judgment in technical parlance
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
fair enough
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
well i mean as much as the timesup ep cover looks like rejected art for one of dylan ettingers old tapes they arent sampling ecco the dolphin or referencing the startropics theme in their remixes. like all this stuff shares an aesthetic and a palette to some degree but i think its hard to argue that #seapunk isnt musically a little closer to some el tule cassette ca. 2009 than other 'underground bass music'
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
rev i understand what you're saying esp w/r/t to that ballroom chant / neovogue stuff you like (which i can't get with but i can respect) but this is kinda beyond the pale for me
i guess every generation gets the electroclash it deserves (yes i have skeletons in my closet)
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that really wasn't so much a defense of this stuff so much as just saying "oh no, this sounds amateurish" probably isn't going to get you far against a guy who's currently geeking out over jersey club
xp tbf, you completely lost me with your references there, but i'll roll with it
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
they arent sampling ecco the dolphin or referencing the startropics theme in their remixes.
i guess i'm just not up on my video game music haha. if i've heard this shit it's gone over my head.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
haha fair enough
i guess my point is that the cultural referencing thats going on in #seapunk is functioning similarly to the referencing going on in lots of post-noize/post-anco underground music of the last few years and lends the music a similarly distorting, mediated feel. whereas stuff like nguzunguzu isnt musically referencing sega genesis games or vhs soundtracks or w/e at all
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
right right
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link
we did have this discussion about playstation aesthetics here tho fatima al qadiri ILM edition, (+ ayshay)
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
i guess this kind of ties into the ferraro wars too, altho he's not my thing at all
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link