Ty Segall - C or D?

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he is about to release a new record with White Fence and i really like both of them.
http://pitchfork.com/news/45928-listen-ty-segallwhite-fence-i-am-not-a-game/

deserves his own thread.

nostormo, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:55 (seven years ago) link

i like him, but not sure i'd call him classic just yet

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:59 (seven years ago) link

classic enough to have his name spelled right!
jk -- maybe a mod can fix?

tylerw, Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:59 (seven years ago) link

oops..

nostormo, Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:00 (seven years ago) link

classic enough to have his name spelled right!

lol. also a fan of his brother, jonathan livingston.

anyway, i like a lot of ty segall's singles and his early albums, seen him live several times, but have slept on his last two full-lengths. the reverse shark attack LP he did with mikal cronin is worth seeking out.

Even though he's young he's release a ton of material and the hit rate is quite impressively high. Maybe not 100% Classic yet, but on his way.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:04 (seven years ago) link

"have slept on his last two full-lengths"

how can anyone sleep during this awesome track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcde6jA2DDs

nostormo, Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:04 (seven years ago) link

i've only heard goodbye bread, but like it a lot. seems like a young man full of potential!

tylerw, Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:05 (seven years ago) link

singles comp on Goner that came out a few months back is pretty solid

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:10 (seven years ago) link

Good timing for this thread cause I dug Lemons out the other day and remember it ruled and was wondering why I only had one record by the guy.

Mongo Beefhead Tribesman (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 30 March 2012 04:52 (seven years ago) link

I like his music a lot, but I want to say neither. I've heard one or two Sic Alps records, and as Ty Segall, 'Melted', 'Goodbye Bread', and an EP of T. Rex covers. They all seemed like pure 60s garage psych formalism. And unlike others mining simliar territory--like Jay Reatard or someone--there's not a really strong identity to any of it, or like, emotion, or anything like, *oh my god what is this*. It's more 'what Moby Grape thing or whatever is he riffing on here?' What I get most is, this guy has great taste in rock, he's dedicated enough to recreate what he likes, but he's artistically stalled out, or something.

I like his music, I *really* like his music, but it's classicist, not Classic. Which is probably a totally unfair assessment and I'd love to be proven wrong.

America's Mobile, Friday, 30 March 2012 05:21 (seven years ago) link

^ there is something there that rings true for me, though i do like ty and his music. i certainly don't buy "classic" vs. "classicist" as an exclusive dichotomy in all cases (i mean, i am a 21st century "garage rock" fan, after all), but i'm nonetheless reminded of the lazy cowgirls' scathing diss of bands who have a record collection more than an identity of their own: "you've got no sound, just a dialect". i think that, at his best, ty's strong enough as a songwriter and as a kick-ass rock 'n roll presence to transcend the shoebox limits of pure psych formalism. but i'm not sure...

it's interesting to listen to "where your mind goes", the tube nostormo just posted, w this debate in mind. i'd say that the verses are formalist and nothing more, but that the chorus melody is "ty's song", the distinctive, personal sound that unifies his best tunes. it's got as much in common w nirvana as it does any psych/garage predecessor. if nothing else, this thread's convinced me that i've gotta spend some time with his last couple LPs.

His sound isn׳t too original but his songwriting is better than most of the other garage
acts around.I guess the universal appeal of it plus the fact he plays
all instruments by himself makes him the ״king״ of the scene by fans.
And he is getting better with each record.

nostormo, Friday, 30 March 2012 06:58 (seven years ago) link

Ty still hasn't topped the first Epsilons record, in my estimation. His fuzztone chords buzztone voice were a great conduit for that band's horror-punk show. His solo records don't seem to have as much to say, like he's shying away from the strictly juvenile horndog howls of "Pantyhose" and "Fever to Kill".

Sorta NFSW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fhxg7SIrao

also: Korg!

bendy, Friday, 30 March 2012 12:28 (seven years ago) link

yeah, that stuff is great (plus ground zero for segal, mooseheart & kronin), but i don't know that it's really any better than ty solo. sort of a reatards vs jay thing, where the former is way more high energy, but the latter is appealing in other ways. like "the drag" doesn't really kick ass, but it's still a great song. plus the traditional fools:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPOLkDhOEM&feature=relmfu

^ Totally otm. I'd say I wasn't trying to imply 'classic' and 'classicist' as exclusive categories or a dichotomy or anything, but--and just my own stupid, until now unconsidered bias--I think of classicism/formalism as a kind of artistically weak strategy and therefore it's difficult to consider classicist work 'classic', which I define as 'something great, timeless'. But there's no really good reason to think that, it was just some bias I never really thought about, and also, classicism in rock music is probably makes a lot of sense at this particular moment in time.

You're 100% right about the 90s/Nirvana + psych/garage synthesis, it's hard not to hear it now. There are some 60/70s by way of 90s ideas at work in a lot of his music, esp. on 'Melted'. It's a revival of a revival.

America's Mobile, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:28 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwyAGJDRgpI

nostormo, Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:13 (seven years ago) link

That was awesome! classic

van smack, Sunday, 15 April 2012 23:23 (seven years ago) link

http://pitchfork.com/news/46193-ty-segall-band-announces-new-album/

nostormo, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

the new one is amazing but i still get annoyed paying fifteen bucks for thirty minutes of music

the late great, Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:32 (seven years ago) link

Is his music a pastiche? Yeah! Is it any good? Yeahh! I really cant wait for Slaughterhouse. For me I just like what I like and have little care for critical analysis. Thats why I am such a shit contributor !

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:20 (seven years ago) link

so good live

flopson, Monday, 14 May 2012 08:22 (seven years ago) link

also they're selling every album spread across 5 tapes for 20 bucks at shows, worthwhile investment imo

flopson, Monday, 14 May 2012 08:23 (seven years ago) link

Even though he's young he's release a ton of material and the hit rate is quite impressively high.

this.

It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Monday, 14 May 2012 12:38 (seven years ago) link

so good live
― flopson, Monday, May 14

just saw him saturday!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 14:39 (seven years ago) link

Is there a thread about that Ty Segall & White Fence album? It's great!

Walter Galt, Monday, 14 May 2012 14:42 (seven years ago) link

also they're selling every album spread across 5 tapes for 20 bucks at shows, worthwhile investment imo

Argh! I just looked this up and they were selling the bundle of tapes from Burger Records, but they're all gone.

Walter Galt, Monday, 14 May 2012 14:44 (seven years ago) link

If I was blown away on first listen by the record w/ White Fence, what Segall should I check out next?

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:02 (seven years ago) link

Melted and Lemons are my personal favs.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:03 (seven years ago) link

yeah, melted's p rad.

It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:37 (seven years ago) link

Melted was indeed rad. Cheers!

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:46 (seven years ago) link

If you liked "Hair," you should also get the S/T LP by Mikal Cronin, who is in Ty Segall's band - that album rules.

Walter Galt, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:21 (seven years ago) link

Yep that Cronin lp from last year is superb. Anybody heard Slaughterhouse yet? I think it comes out next month.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Monday, 14 May 2012 16:36 (seven years ago) link

hair is awesome, they started the set with WF dudes & played a few songs off of it (the first two iirc) so 70's though after they got off stage & ty segall band was on it a noticeable blast step back to the 60's

flopson, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:06 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-jSoURjKlM

flopson, Monday, 14 May 2012 17:06 (seven years ago) link

seeing Ty Segall/White Fence and The Men tonight at Webster Hall, I'm psyched

dmr, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:17 (seven years ago) link

the men live show i saw was pretty boring tho

flopson, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:35 (seven years ago) link

I've never seen em. They are on first so I'm not sure if I'll get there in time anyway.

hoping they have the Hair LP on sale at the show, I'll probably buy it

dmr, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:57 (seven years ago) link

Really enjoying "Hair" despite not being keen on Ty Segall's previous work. This LP is nothing new but it works really well. Not sure where to start with White Fence but I should check some of his stuff out

gouty ted, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:43 (seven years ago) link

Shit, I thought the Men were FANTASTIC when I saw them a couple of months ago! They had a great female bassist with them then who I don't think is in the band anymore. But they were totally ferocious; the drummer's a monster.

Walter Galt, Thursday, 17 May 2012 13:05 (seven years ago) link

bassist when i saw them was just some douchey looking guy with a haircut

flopson, Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:32 (seven years ago) link

best show I have seen in aaaaaaages

missed the Men. Strange Boys were boring. White Fence was good. Ty Segall fucking RIPPED. seriously awesome.

dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2012 15:46 (seven years ago) link

he came out with White Fence to do Long Black Curtain but I think that was the only song they did off "Hair." other than that they each had separate sets.

one of Ty Segall's encores was a cover of Gimme Some Money by the Thamesmen, from Spinal Tap. lolol.

all the stuff from Melted sounded incredible. Girlfriend and Finger were probably my favorites of the set.

dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2012 15:48 (seven years ago) link

:-D

flopson, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:42 (seven years ago) link

Ty Segall was great. Missed everything else due to a transport fail but this felt like a christening. Crowd going nuts. Big, crowded NY room. He's on his waaaaay!

also lol @ this upthread:

guy with a haircut

^everyone has a haircut^

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:32 (seven years ago) link

-_- u know what i mean

flopson, Friday, 18 May 2012 16:33 (seven years ago) link

so we can eliminate him as the bassist.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 18 May 2012 16:51 (seven years ago) link

I liked one song I heard- I'll check out the rest. Thanks!

Evan, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:01 (five years ago) link

there are a few different drummers i believe, the lady who toured with him on a few, him on some, and i think chris wodehouse who is from that whole san fran psych/garage thing.

still think the album is a little too long and some of the guitar solos are sort of distracting/crappy but overall i really dug it

global tetrahedron, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:04 (five years ago) link

their touring drummer is Emily Epstein -- she's been playing drums for Ty for a few years -- she moved down to LA last year

sarahell, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:08 (five years ago) link

Ty Segall is a very good drummer though

global tetrahedron, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:17 (five years ago) link

totes

i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Friday, 24 October 2014 20:25 (five years ago) link

Super solid fun record! Drags a bit in spots maybe - but good dirty sound, really hooky tunes - almost verging on a scrappy sprightly version of Deep Purple or Sabbath riffage. I haven't heard everything, but Manipulator seems like a breakthrough of sorts.

Brio2, Friday, 24 October 2014 20:44 (five years ago) link

Seems like everyone very keen to tag this as ' break through' when it actually appears to be struggling for any more traction than previous records. Everyone seems to get that he is a solid songwriter but he does not seem to have found X FaCtor song. Not that I think that is necessarily some kind of noble goal to crave or is necessary but it is curious to me how much of the narrative around this record is about taking things to the ' next level'

Hinklepicker, Friday, 24 October 2014 21:20 (five years ago) link

It does seem like a bit more thought out and cohesive and tuneful record than others to me - and maybe a bit more conventional. I don't think anyone really expects a huge hit record out of the guy.

Brio2, Friday, 24 October 2014 22:35 (five years ago) link

Seems like everyone very keen to tag this as ' break through' when it actually appears to be struggling for any more traction than previous records. Everyone seems to get that he is a solid songwriter but he does not seem to have found X FaCtor song. Not that I think that is necessarily some kind of noble goal to crave or is necessary but it is curious to me how much of the narrative around this record is about taking things to the ' next level'

― Hinklepicker, Friday, October 24, 2014 4:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fwiw,I wanted to go see hij
m recently and he instantly sold out a club he'd played before to solid but far from sold out crowd, also have a couple of friends who are into more commercial band like black keys, qotsa, etc get into him now

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 25 October 2014 14:20 (five years ago) link

Oh well sounds like he is doing better with thiS than I thought then. Good for him.

Hinklepicker, Saturday, 25 October 2014 19:37 (five years ago) link

it might be more momentum than the last album specifically, but i'm hearing a lot more friends/coworkers talking about the guy.

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 25 October 2014 21:32 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou-72_Ya5Ec

example (crüt), Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:27 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

fuzz II is pretty dope

dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 00:31 (four years ago) link

still waiting for my copy from in the red.

BringTheAuBonPain, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 01:07 (four years ago) link

It's streaming on the NPR website (for a couple more days until the official release):

http://www.npr.org/2015/10/14/444448267/first-listen-fuzz-ii

o. nate, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 02:42 (four years ago) link

loving the fuzz II

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 08:22 (four years ago) link

I like Mikal Cronin's last two records a lot more than any of this stuff

akm, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 15:35 (four years ago) link

Hmm... I tried one Mikal Cronin song on Youtube. It was OK I guess, but it didn't sound anything like Fuzz. I was a bit skeptical if I needed a double-album's worth of more Fuzz but I ended up listening all the way through to the NPR stream.

o. nate, Thursday, 22 October 2015 01:32 (four years ago) link

Cronin's debut is excellent, heavy Segall-strafed power-pop. His second was pleasant, but I found the third dull, though I didn't listen to it enough to be fair. He's no Ty.

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Thursday, 22 October 2015 11:26 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

http://emotionalmugger.com

Oh mama..

nostormo, Friday, 11 December 2015 00:12 (four years ago) link

killer cover of the equals' diversion on the new album

I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Friday, 11 December 2015 10:00 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

streaming via npr

sounds great.

nostormo, Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:11 (four years ago) link

Interesting production. Kinda new wave Devo doing garage. Melodies might be the downside.we shall see..

nostormo, Thursday, 14 January 2016 22:44 (four years ago) link

Not really feeling this and I'm a pretty big fan.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 14 January 2016 23:30 (four years ago) link

melodies problem confirmed.

nostormo, Thursday, 14 January 2016 23:43 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

got a new band lineup, recorded with steve albini apparently

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 11 June 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

never really listened to him before tonight, i got the death by audio 3xLP and it came with a 12" of his first show in new york in 2008. it's rad- i love the context and the vibe- not many people there, crowd chatting a bit, segall says he's psyched to be in new york. dude has a massive discography, what's a good place to start?

flappy bird, Thursday, 24 November 2016 04:12 (three years ago) link

imo can't go wrong with anything from 2009 to 2014

reverse shark attack, melted, goodbye bread, twins, hair, slaughterhouse, manipulator are all great

the late great, Thursday, 24 November 2016 04:30 (three years ago) link

Melted's a great starting place, also the Singles comp on Goner, or the live at Aisle 5 LP.

stevie, Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:00 (three years ago) link

Melted is what got me hooked.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 November 2016 14:02 (three years ago) link

^^^

flopson, Friday, 25 November 2016 02:22 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

https://tysegall.bandcamp.com/track/the-main-pretender

Great new song. Back to Glam Rock!

nostormo, Monday, 27 November 2017 18:40 (two years ago) link

Works for me.

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 27 November 2017 20:30 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Stream thy last stream:

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/18/578405537/first-listen-ty-segall-freedom-s-goblin

nostormo, Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:03 (two years ago) link

i'm liking this.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:25 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Awesome new song,60's psych/The Who style jam:

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/ty-segall-white-fence-good-boy/

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:52 (one year ago) link

the album is v a quick one/sell out

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:02 (one year ago) link

like, almost ridiculously so

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:02 (one year ago) link

how is it a sell out

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 21:13 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Sell Out indeed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fS2q1mhmFk

nostormo, Friday, 13 July 2018 12:46 (one year ago) link

love it

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Friday, 13 July 2018 17:59 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

"freedom's goblin" is a terrific album. i wouldn't have even bothered checking it out but a co-worker put it on and now i can't stop listening. it goes so many different and wonderful places! and the songwriting is really stellar. leagues beyond the yelps and hackneyed "psych" tropes i've come to expect from him, john dwyer et al.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRar5omqQpI

budo jeru, Monday, 26 November 2018 22:21 (one year ago) link

His covers album is really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts1RfaK_FXg

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 26 November 2018 22:34 (one year ago) link

I thought the covers album was really boring, like a high school covers band. Ty at his best is brilliant - Freedom's Goblin often is. But Fudge Sandwich felt like a certain period of Robert Pollard stuff, where he's more into making "product" than actual good records (tho the Lennon cover was strong).

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Monday, 26 November 2018 22:36 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

https://ew.com/music/2019/07/31/ty-segall-guitar-first-taste-interview/

New album is devoid of guitars

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 3 August 2019 06:51 (five months ago) link

If I hadn't read about the lack of guitars beforehand, I'm not sure I would have guessed from listening.

InternationalWaters, Saturday, 3 August 2019 14:36 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Ek1alZh8Y

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 05:25 (two weeks ago) link


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