Rudimentary Peni VS Flux of Pink Indians

It must be years since I first saw that title listed somewhere and it has remained my all-time favourite title of any art form of any description. For that, FOPI rool. And I've never heard it or owt else by them.

MarxyBoy

Cuz IOF would win easily.

Or Citizen Fish -vs- Schwarzenegger!

It might be a tie.

Crass
Flux
Subhumans
Rudimentari Peni
Discharge
Conflict

But that's just today. If I slept on it my answer might be different.

IF ANY SPARK OF LIFE BE YET REMAINING, DOWN, DOWN TO HELL, AND SAY I SENT THEE THITHER!!!

Never liked early Flux. I like 'Fucking Cunts' but my copy was the One Little Indian reissue without the lyrics - kinda pointless. Still wish I hadn't sold it.

What I like almost as much as the Peni is the post-FOPI album by Flux called "Uncarved Block". Very different, Adrian Sherwood and On-U Sound people participate and the music also has a lot more melody and color.

i heard rudimentary peni for the first time this weekend. it fucked me up! the album "cacophony" woah nellie what a crazy record....

i had no idea shit like that was going on in the UK then, it totes gets written out of history....crazy talk.

seriously like i had no idea hardcore continued on in the UK....you never heard about it, esp. this which is beyond twisted art/metal/hardcore/strangeness....it would seem to fit in better with what was happening in the US, late SST and touch & go and shit...but i thought everyone just stopped at a certain point in the UK...

yeah seriously! it's very overlooked.

"Flux of Pink Indians" is such a great name!

RFI - Crusty punk

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

it's true!

Cacophony is teh bestest, but I see I said that here already. There is so much detail in that album.

death church!

listen to chaki

RP have a new album out in about a month and I'm sorry to say it pretty much sucks :(

hasn't that been true of most of the second incarnation RP releases?

i need to get EPs of RP on cd. goddamn, they were so good.

Peni4evah.

my thought on listening further was that somebody brickwalled the tapes and then pressed it to vinyl. haven't heard the new CD but I have old CD and LP both since it is one of my favorite records ever. the new gatefold LP cover is very nice!

I've been meaning to get into them for a while; should I get the remasters? I tend to always go for the newest and cheapest versions.

If you can find originals for something close to the price of a new one, I'd stick with the originals based on my (limited) listening experience. I should really try to put up an A-B comparison on Soundcloud so other folks can comment.

Used CD should be easy to find. These were produced really well in the first place.

ohhh man they brickwalled the fuck out of this, check the waveforms:

https://soundcloud.com/sleeve-the-dj/sets/rudi-peni-comparison

(new LP remaster is the second track)

via Prindle website, for posterity:

Okay, it's Grant's fault. View these quotes from Ian Glasper's excellent 2006 book The Day The Country Died: A History of Anarcho Punk 1980-1984:

"My favourite release is definitely Cacophony." - Nick Blinko

"For me, (Cacophony) was the most interesting thing that we had done musically, in terms of all those weird time signatures, and the lyrics are fascinating... even if I don't understand all of them! I just think that the band as a whole put in a really good performance, and it was the best thing Nick has ever done vocally; I think he was at the absolute pinnacle of his creativity on that album." - Jon Greville

"The different style of Cacophony was not intended. It just came out that way, and in retrospect I regard it as a move in the wrong direction, into self-indulgence. As a result of that, in recent years, I have pushed to build upon and improve the more 'traditional' Peni style." - Grant Matthews

Thanks a lot, ASSHOLE.

Thanks for the information.

I really taken my time on finally listening to that soundcloud comparison. They all sound fine to me but I'm not an audiophile.

subhumans reissues were so terrible. i don't even want to know about the crass reissues on cd. if some of the most perfectly recorded records ever made were fucked up somehow for cd it would be sad indeed. best to stick with old pressings. peni records are amazing in their natural form. same with flux. you can't improve on that stuff.

Nick Blinko might just be my favorite punk vocalist. finally getting around to buying Cacophony, though used to play the shit out of Death Church.

You have EPs of RP right? Because that shit is GRRRRREAAAATTTTT

actually I need that one too.

holy shit

tt has introduced me to rudimentary peni. death church was really good but CACOPHONY oh my giddy fuck

Peni is the best band of all time.

this album/band is just...i can't even

incredible

carnivores are like tombstones

It's too bad Nate C doesn't hang out anymore-- he wrote an entire in depth treatment on cacophony which he submitted to 33 1/3 one year

Never got published?

Peni is one of those bands from the first Sublime album that I kept meaning to check out but never did.

Xpost not by 33 1/3 but maybe he placed it elsewhere

imago I am very glad you are getting yr head ripped open by this masterpiece

keen to see what you make of the RP album about the imaginary pope

it's great and the songs are intense as hell, it would be improved slightly by curbing that fucking papus adrianus thing, but i guess you can't fuck with the artist's vision idk

aaaaactually it's just as good as cacophony p much, which makes it one of the best things ever

I HATED that record, I guess I will try again

it ain't no Cacophony, though, chill dude :)

it's beautiful, furious, quite quite mad but also perfect for midsummer

quite apart from anything else the instrumentation is monumental, possibly his best riffs ever underpinned by a seriously and understandably pissed-off rhythm section. and like all the best heatstrokes all the songs linger on and on until you're entranced & damaged beyond repair

....and now I'm listening to The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks

fuck me it's AWESOME

'The Falklands War' is...monumental

Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric is firmly ensconced as my summer solstice album :)

Peni is one of those bands from the first Sublime album that I kept meaning to check out but never did.

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lol tbh I'm not really sure if I've ever heard a song by Sublime, but I gather they are somewhat different to Rudimentary Peni

this thread reminded me of the sad fact I missed seeing my friends' Rudi Peni cover band last year because I was sick and depressed.

POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO

I don't think I'm ever going to "get" that record, I still find it unlistenable :(

love all the rest of course

WHEN YOU'RE IN A MARTIAN CHURCH

I won the Flux of Pink Indians’ 'Strive to Survive Causing the Least Suffering Possible' album in a KUSF radio contest in the mid 80s. I had no idea who they were at the time. It was one of those records I ended up loving more because I had to stretch to grasp it. The LP itself is a beautiful object

I wish Death Church would get a repress, I missed out on the last one.

https://www.zagava.de/shop/nick-blinko?edition=19&versions=0
The paperback version on amazon might be a bit different. Newsletter said something about a new paperback version but I can't remember.

New ep and reissues on the way from Sealed Records!
https://www.punknews.org/article/74088/sealed-records-to-re-issue-rudimentary-peni-discography

awesome

Sealed records is a side-label of La Vida Es Un Mus, this is really good news because Paco the guy who runs that label is a total lifer and this isn't a reissue for money he really loves this stuff

Excellent news! Southern records reissues seemed a bit dubious quality-wise.

Southern were a pretty shitty label for a lot of reasons towards the end.

I wonder if this means the Alternative LP on Corpus Christi might end up getting reissued at some point, Sealed have already put out a reissue of the Omega Tribe LP. I know Overground records were planning to reissue Alternative but Southern wanted too much money to license it.

love all those pics of the OG Ampex tapes in that Insta

It would be super cool if they reissued the first 2 EPs in original 7" packaging

awesome news! I'm hoping they reissue Archaic 10", I missed that one.

So is this yet another mastering to compare?

yes but I have a lot more faith in this one tbh

missed getting the last batch. so hopefully catch up with these.
& the Crass titles are reappearing in more comprehensive fashion too.