Rudimentary Peni VS Flux of Pink Indians

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Who was more original/influential

ali frazier, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno but i broke a lamp in my house dancing around to Rudimentary Peni just last week!

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope
pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope
pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo
pogo pope pogo
pogo pope pogo

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link

what planet is this?

ron (ron), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the peni.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

ive always wanted to get a few things straight.. was Peni really 15 when they recorded Farce and Death Church?

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 06:59 (eighteen years ago) link

also, are the lyrics to that FOPI song really "i wanna marry a tube disaster"? if so, that's a great line so they win.

dave k, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Douglas Wolk to thread!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
no one answered me and i love PENI

chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 08:58 (seventeen years ago) link

mdc

gaz (gaz), Friday, 4 April 2003 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Original: Peni
Influential: FOPI

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Both were generic but Peni

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 4 April 2003 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks".

It must be years since I first saw that title listed somewhere and it has remained my all-time favourite title of any art form of any description. For that, FOPI rool. And I've never heard it or owt else by them.

darren (darren), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Rudimentary Peni has been a band that I have wanted to check out for a long time. Where would would you recommend to start?

earlnash, Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

DEATH CHURCH!!!!!

chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

earlnash, check out "EPs of RP" - collected EPs, some of their best and most easily accessible stuff. "death church" is also very good, just don't start with any of their late-period albums...

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 4 April 2003 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
both peni and FOPI are killer

ben dover, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 09:46 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
this isn't a competition is it? just listen to both dammit!

michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

hey chaki, no they weren't fifteen, nick blinko was 19 when he formed peni

michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks, michelle.

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

yup

michelle, Sunday, 6 July 2003 05:46 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Flux is much more musically creative and enjoyable, lets say to be played at a kickback, w/ fellow punks over some screwdrivers and good conversation. Nick's lyrics however knock the shit outta Flux's and Peni's music would be fun as hell to slam to (oh, if only). It really comes down to if you prefer poetic morbidity and 30 second harcore, or political commentary set to neato catchy Crass like stuff. Last month I would've devoutly claimed that Peni was better, but right now I think it's Flux. -Fin

Kevin Rhea, Friday, 1 August 2003 05:49 (seventeen years ago) link

very well stated

michelle, Sunday, 3 August 2003 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Flux owns Rudi anyday, for one Flux was real, the drummer of Rudi ate meat, which is bullshit. So in closing, Flux owns.

MarxyBoy

|-|4x0|7, Monday, 25 August 2003 04:23 (seventeen years ago) link

hahahahhahahahh`~~!!!!!

chaki (chaki), Monday, 25 August 2003 07:11 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Wow, I never knew that music was a competition! Im surprised that people are mumbling over the creativity of two of the most amazing bands we've seen. Just enjoy the music, not everything has to be a competition in this crazy rat race world.

RadioSchizo, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, plus its too hard to choose. They were both so fucking great.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link

An easier one might be Poison Girls -vs- Icons of Filth

Cuz IOF would win easily.

Or Citizen Fish -vs- Schwarzenegger!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Or Conflict -vs- Discharge That one is a toughie.

It might be a tie.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

For me it might be:

Crass
Flux
Subhumans
Rudimentari Peni
Discharge
Conflict

But that's just today. If I slept on it my answer might be different.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Peni have a new EP coming out in June or July, I think (also they win)

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:09 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
rudimentary peni and flux are very good bands. so it's hard to put one up against the other but sinse i listen more and having rudimentary peni as my fav band i guess i'd choose them. i doubt they were 15 when they wrote those songs.

karie jenk (77 rudiments to reject), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Never cared for either, really. But I hate Rudimentary Peni.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't know enough of either to have a preference but I'm very pleased that A) someone asked this question and that B) it actually drew righteous googlers!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Can we talk about how good the recent Rudi Peni "Underclass" and "Archaic" EP's are? Short, ultra-heavy, memorable songs. And not one mention on this thread about "Cacophony", their best by far... a very unique album of Lovecraft-drenched horror-punk goodies.

IF ANY SPARK OF LIFE BE YET REMAINING, DOWN, DOWN TO HELL, AND SAY I SENT THEE THITHER!!!

Never liked early Flux. I like 'Fucking Cunts' but my copy was the One Little Indian reissue without the lyrics - kinda pointless. Still wish I hadn't sold it.

What I like almost as much as the Peni is the post-FOPI album by Flux called "Uncarved Block". Very different, Adrian Sherwood and On-U Sound people participate and the music also has a lot more melody and color.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link

C or D:: Flux "Uncarved Block"

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link

awright! ilm unites behind unsung classic!

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:20 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

i heard rudimentary peni for the first time this weekend. it fucked me up! the album "cacophony" woah nellie what a crazy record....

i had no idea shit like that was going on in the UK then, it totes gets written out of history....crazy talk.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

seriously like i had no idea hardcore continued on in the UK....you never heard about it, esp. this which is beyond twisted art/metal/hardcore/strangeness....it would seem to fit in better with what was happening in the US, late SST and touch & go and shit...but i thought everyone just stopped at a certain point in the UK...

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

yeah seriously! it's very overlooked.

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

"Flux of Pink Indians" is such a great name!

roxymuzak, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

RFI - Crusty punk

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

it's true!

J0hn D., Monday, 31 March 2008 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

Cacophony is teh bestest, but I see I said that here already. There is so much detail in that album.

sleeve, Monday, 31 March 2008 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

death church!

chaki, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

listen to chaki

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

RP have a new album out in about a month and I'm sorry to say it pretty much sucks :(

DJ Mencap, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

hasn't that been true of most of the second incarnation RP releases?

i need to get EPs of RP on cd. goddamn, they were so good.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 03:37 (twelve years ago) link

Peni4evah.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 07:51 (twelve years ago) link

my thought on listening further was that somebody brickwalled the tapes and then pressed it to vinyl. haven't heard the new CD but I have old CD and LP both since it is one of my favorite records ever. the new gatefold LP cover is very nice!

sleeve, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 22:56 (seven years ago) link

I've been meaning to get into them for a while; should I get the remasters? I tend to always go for the newest and cheapest versions.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 January 2014 17:16 (seven years ago) link

If you can find originals for something close to the price of a new one, I'd stick with the originals based on my (limited) listening experience. I should really try to put up an A-B comparison on Soundcloud so other folks can comment.

sleeve, Thursday, 2 January 2014 17:18 (seven years ago) link

Used CD should be easy to find. These were produced really well in the first place.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 20:55 (seven years ago) link

ohhh man they brickwalled the fuck out of this, check the waveforms:

https://soundcloud.com/sleeve-the-dj/sets/rudi-peni-comparison

sleeve, Friday, 3 January 2014 02:31 (seven years ago) link

(new LP remaster is the second track)

sleeve, Friday, 3 January 2014 02:32 (seven years ago) link

via Prindle website, for posterity:

Okay, it's Grant's fault. View these quotes from Ian Glasper's excellent 2006 book The Day The Country Died: A History of Anarcho Punk 1980-1984:

"My favourite release is definitely Cacophony." - Nick Blinko

"For me, (Cacophony) was the most interesting thing that we had done musically, in terms of all those weird time signatures, and the lyrics are fascinating... even if I don't understand all of them! I just think that the band as a whole put in a really good performance, and it was the best thing Nick has ever done vocally; I think he was at the absolute pinnacle of his creativity on that album." - Jon Greville

"The different style of Cacophony was not intended. It just came out that way, and in retrospect I regard it as a move in the wrong direction, into self-indulgence. As a result of that, in recent years, I have pushed to build upon and improve the more 'traditional' Peni style." - Grant Matthews

Thanks a lot, ASSHOLE.

sleeve, Friday, 3 January 2014 02:36 (seven years ago) link

Thanks for the information.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 6 January 2014 21:55 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

I really taken my time on finally listening to that soundcloud comparison. They all sound fine to me but I'm not an audiophile.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 21 June 2014 16:33 (six years ago) link

subhumans reissues were so terrible. i don't even want to know about the crass reissues on cd. if some of the most perfectly recorded records ever made were fucked up somehow for cd it would be sad indeed. best to stick with old pressings. peni records are amazing in their natural form. same with flux. you can't improve on that stuff.

scott seward, Saturday, 21 June 2014 17:41 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

Nick Blinko might just be my favorite punk vocalist. finally getting around to buying Cacophony, though used to play the shit out of Death Church.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 7 March 2015 22:55 (five years ago) link

You have EPs of RP right? Because that shit is GRRRRREAAAATTTTT

^^^ NOT METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 7 March 2015 22:58 (five years ago) link

actually I need that one too.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 7 March 2015 22:59 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

holy shit

tt has introduced me to rudimentary peni. death church was really good but CACOPHONY oh my giddy fuck

imago, Thursday, 29 September 2016 21:28 (four years ago) link

Peni is the best band of all time.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 29 September 2016 21:33 (four years ago) link

this album/band is just...i can't even

imago, Thursday, 29 September 2016 21:40 (four years ago) link

incredible

imago, Thursday, 29 September 2016 21:40 (four years ago) link

carnivores are like tombstones

am0n, Thursday, 29 September 2016 21:55 (four years ago) link

It's too bad Nate C doesn't hang out anymore-- he wrote an entire in depth treatment on cacophony which he submitted to 33 1/3 one year

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 29 September 2016 22:31 (four years ago) link

Never got published?

"raw buttin' these toilet seats" (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 29 September 2016 22:45 (four years ago) link

Peni is one of those bands from the first Sublime album that I kept meaning to check out but never did.

how's life, Thursday, 29 September 2016 22:46 (four years ago) link

Xpost not by 33 1/3 but maybe he placed it elsewhere

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 29 September 2016 23:46 (four years ago) link

imago I am very glad you are getting yr head ripped open by this masterpiece

sleeve, Friday, 30 September 2016 00:30 (four years ago) link

keen to see what you make of the RP album about the imaginary pope

it's great and the songs are intense as hell, it would be improved slightly by curbing that fucking papus adrianus thing, but i guess you can't fuck with the artist's vision idk

imago, Friday, 30 September 2016 11:39 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

aaaaactually it's just as good as cacophony p much, which makes it one of the best things ever

imago, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:37 (three years ago) link

I HATED that record, I guess I will try again

it ain't no Cacophony, though, chill dude :)

sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:42 (three years ago) link

it's beautiful, furious, quite quite mad but also perfect for midsummer

imago, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:48 (three years ago) link

quite apart from anything else the instrumentation is monumental, possibly his best riffs ever underpinned by a seriously and understandably pissed-off rhythm section. and like all the best heatstrokes all the songs linger on and on until you're entranced & damaged beyond repair

imago, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:50 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

....and now I'm listening to The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks

fuck me it's AWESOME

imago, Thursday, 19 October 2017 07:36 (three years ago) link

'The Falklands War' is...monumental

imago, Thursday, 19 October 2017 07:54 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric is firmly ensconced as my summer solstice album :)

imago, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:22 (one year ago) link

Peni is one of those bands from the first Sublime album that I kept meaning to check out but never did.

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lol tbh I'm not really sure if I've ever heard a song by Sublime, but I gather they are somewhat different to Rudimentary Peni

Colonel Poo, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:25 (one year ago) link

this thread reminded me of the sad fact I missed seeing my friends' Rudi Peni cover band last year because I was sick and depressed.

sarahell, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:22 (one year ago) link

POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO

I don't think I'm ever going to "get" that record, I still find it unlistenable :(

love all the rest of course

Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2019 20:02 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

WHEN YOU'RE IN A MARTIAN CHURCH

... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 January 2020 03:46 (one year ago) link

I won the Flux of Pink Indians’ 'Strive to Survive Causing the Least Suffering Possible' album in a KUSF radio contest in the mid 80s. I had no idea who they were at the time. It was one of those records I ended up loving more because I had to stretch to grasp it. The LP itself is a beautiful object

Dan S, Thursday, 30 January 2020 03:06 (one year ago) link

I wish Death Church would get a repress, I missed out on the last one.

ringworm, Thursday, 30 January 2020 06:29 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

https://www.zagava.de/shop/nick-blinko?edition=19&versions=0
The paperback version on amazon might be a bit different. Newsletter said something about a new paperback version but I can't remember.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 January 2021 18:11 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

New ep and reissues on the way from Sealed Records!
https://www.punknews.org/article/74088/sealed-records-to-re-issue-rudimentary-peni-discography

ringworm, Saturday, 20 February 2021 07:17 (one week ago) link

awesome

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:03 (one week ago) link

Sealed records is a side-label of La Vida Es Un Mus, this is really good news because Paco the guy who runs that label is a total lifer and this isn't a reissue for money he really loves this stuff

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:19 (one week ago) link

Excellent news! Southern records reissues seemed a bit dubious quality-wise.

jvc, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:21 (one week ago) link

Southern were a pretty shitty label for a lot of reasons towards the end.

I wonder if this means the Alternative LP on Corpus Christi might end up getting reissued at some point, Sealed have already put out a reissue of the Omega Tribe LP. I know Overground records were planning to reissue Alternative but Southern wanted too much money to license it.

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:27 (one week ago) link

love all those pics of the OG Ampex tapes in that Insta

It would be super cool if they reissued the first 2 EPs in original 7" packaging

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:29 (one week ago) link

awesome news! I'm hoping they reissue Archaic 10", I missed that one.

braised cod, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:44 (one week ago) link

So is this yet another mastering to compare?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:13 (one week ago) link

yes but I have a lot more faith in this one tbh

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:17 (one week ago) link

missed getting the last batch. so hopefully catch up with these.
& the Crass titles are reappearing in more comprehensive fashion too.

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:19 (one week ago) link


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